Wrapping up our “Folk Around and Find Out” triple feature, join us as we brave the Stonerich Cavern in Ken Russell’s loose (in more ways than one) adaptation of Bram Stoker’s pagan horror novel, THE LAIR OF THE WHITE WORM, starring Peter Capaldi, Amanda Donohoe, Hugh Grant, Sammi Davis, and Catherine Oxenberg. The film is a surreal and visually stunning horror-comedy based on the legend of The Lambton Worm. We discuss the connections between the ancient pagan beliefs and the cyclical nature of life and the power of nature over humanity. Oh, and we find out that Doctor Who’s Peter Capaldi is actually a past version of Harold Ramis.
Wrapping up our “Folk Around and Find Out” triple feature, join us as we brave the Stonerich Cavern in Ken Russell’s loose (in more ways than one) adaptation of Bram Stoker’s pagan horror novel, THE LAIR OF THE WHITE WORM, starring Peter Capaldi, Amanda Donohoe, Hugh Grant, Sammi Davis, and Catherine Oxenberg. The film is a surreal and visually stunning horror-comedy based on the legend of The Lambton Worm. We discuss the connections between the ancient pagan beliefs and the cyclical nature of life and the power of nature over humanity. Oh, and we find out that Doctor Who’s Peter Capaldi is actually a past version of Harold Ramis.
Check out "The Loathsome Lambton Worm" on Apple Podcasts - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-loathsome-lambton-worm/id1483582989
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Today we wrap up our Folk Around and Find Out triple feature series in which we explore the pastoral horrors of folklore and all the primal fears and pagan myths that come with it with Ken Russell's 1988 sexual ancestral horror comedy, The Lair of the White Worm. The land is foggy, the bagpipes are piping, and the phallic cymbals are plenty as we journey into Stone Ridge Cavern to meet the white worm, but more specifically the horny, vampiric, poison spitting zealots who worship and kill for it and face some hard-hitting facts surrounding
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But today we are talking about the layer of the white worm as Danny so graciously mentioned. Graciously? Yeah, he just mentioned it. In our intro. Word, white word. That was a gracious. I'm just going to say something real quick. I would argue that this is not a horror or a comedy. You don't think so? I think it's a horror. What would you call it? I don't know.
I mean, I think it fits. I think that fits the bill pretty well. Did you laugh? At all? A couple times. Oh, I didn't laugh. Quite a bit. Not one. No? Not one chuckle came from me. Okay, well then here's a perfect, here's a perfect time to ask. Did you enjoy this movie? There were two things that I really liked. Okay. I mean, is it Amanda Donahoe? Is that how you pronounce it?
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Yeah. Okay. She's a babe. So that's number one. And number two, I really yes, I really liked her house. So those are the two things that I really like. Yeah, that was that was beautiful. Yeah. I didn't necessarily dislike the movie. But possibly worse. I didn't feel anything about it.
Okay, it's not your bag, baby, as I said in the 1990 film, Austin Powers International Man of Mystery. 1990? 1999? Did I say that? I thought 1990, I was going to say that, I was not that old. Was it even 1999? Maybe it was 97. 99 was the spy you showed. I don't know, but either way, that's two Mike Myers references within like 30 seconds. I think it was 97. Then 99, and then Goldmember came out in 2002.
I want to say I don't know. Ooh, here's our double feature suggestion. The layer of the white worm and gold member. There you go. Do you guys know what the same movie? Do you guys know what else Amanda Donahoe was in? What I just remember, I knew she was is a liar liar. Yeah. Yes. I was like, why do I know her face? It's like in my head. She's Miranda, like the bitch like that's trying to like. Oh, yeah. That has sex with him. And then she said.
Was it as good for me as it was for you? And he said, I've had better. Oh yeah. How is she not in everything? I don't know. She's so good. She is. I mean, she carries this movie. Yeah, she does. But I'm sure we'll get to it. Yeah. Guys, she's in Starship Troopers 3. Well. That's where I know her from. I've never seen it. I didn't know there was a Starship Troopers 2. She plays voice of Bug Queen.
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Well, did you guys like this movie? I did. Yes, I will. You guys are going to kill me. I would argue that this might be one of my favorite movies that we've ever covered on this entire podcast. What? I could watch this movie right now and have a wonderful time. Even Zach, who liked this movie, is not agreeing with you.
I'm surprised. Yeah, I sat down. Almost 100 movies that we covered. I mean, it's no house too, but like, it's not men. I can't remember the last time. I had so much fun watching a movie. Wow. I wish I did. I sat down, put it on, kind of had an idea of the movie it was, so I was like, okay, it's gonna be weird, it's gonna be silly.
Mm hmm. I'm in that folk horror headspace. And there was just something about the energy. It was like there was like a man I don't mean this as a as a fault, obviously, I liked it. But like, there was like a cheapness to it. No, like, no. Um, the budget felt low, but then it also didn't. And there was something there was like a really, there was like something comfortable about that. I felt very warm, cozy and
What's it's funny. It never stops. You just boom, you just get story plot. I felt like nothing was happening. Oh my god. Yeah, I also have a I guess I have a thing for when the promise of the movie is paid off, like in spades. So even if I didn't like the story, the fact that they immediately hit they hit the ground running. They have will get into I won't go too specific but like
Even something when they go to the party and they're kind of giving you all the exposition about the worm with that song that they play. And then I'm like, oh, we're going to see all this happen and we're getting the setup and it just felt so fun and it wasn't pretentious and it wasn't trying to be anything it wasn't. And there was like a funny little silly confidence to it that really attracted me, I guess.
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Man, there's a lot that I want to discuss in everything that you just said. Right there. Yeah, I'm just I want this on the books like I 100% loved the layer of the white worm. OK, I could see how it's definitely not for everybody. Yeah. Oh, totally. I was bored. OK, I definitely love that we have flavors. This is going to be a good conversation. What? Yeah, no, I definitely want to see it again. Yeah, you're right. It's very like.
Danny, you're on top. I'm right there in the middle, leaning more towards the top. I enjoyed it. Okay. I think I could have been in a better like head space or something when I watched it would, might've been a little better, but I did, I did enjoy it. And then Casey's like, fuck this movie. No, I'm not upset that I watched it. We've got a top over, set a bottom. I won't watch it again, but I'm not upset about it. It's not one of those movies where I'm like, I just wasted an hour and a half. Yeah.
And like Hugh Grant wasn't a very big star at this point. No. And he made it like he had done some stuff. He had been acting. I saw for like eight years before this. But yeah, I don't think it really happened until he waxed his unibrow. Oh, does he not have a unibrow in four weddings and a funeral? I guess not. I guess I would have remembered it. Yeah. How could you forget for four weddings and a unibrow? But.
Yeah, I will say I think there were some things working in my favor for this movie that made it easy for me to love it. I'm a big Doctor Who fan, so I think seeing a younger Peter Capaldi playing a role, immediately it's like if there was a bar that was measuring my interest in this movie, it was just filling up with that, oh my God, Peter Capaldi. And then there's something also, something about...
seeing a big actor, even though he wasn't big at the time, like Hugh Grant in a movie like this, that feels a little kind of in the in the world of B movie, I guess. Yeah. Like when you see Renee Zellweger and Matthew McConaughey in Yes, change some massacre. Very exactly. You could not have said it better. I could not have said you'd said it better. Yeah, I couldn't have said it better. It's it.
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And then also they in that in those movies, too, they play it not straight necessarily, but they don't phone it in. Yeah, they're given. So the movie doesn't feel cheaper because they're in it. It actually feels, I don't know, bigger. And yeah, I don't know. I love I also I'm realizing I really love folklore the more movies in this kind of subgenre we're watching. So I'm just there's so much going on in the in the.
the countryside, like I could live in that little cottage and bed and breakfast and be happy for the rest of my life. So then he says, I'm finding out that I really love white worms. Well, yeah, I mean, we already knew that. That's what I tell people. I'm like, I'm like, let me get in. Let me get into your layer of the white worms.
And they're like, no, thank you. We just got a glimpse into Danny's private life. I mean, you like white worms and he goes. I mean, I was thinking the vagina, but a butthole would work, too, I guess, for the layer white worm. Aren't you thinking of a fucking Caucasian penis? Yeah, I was thinking, yes. But then the layer of the white worm would be.
a vagina or a butt hole because that's where it goes. Oh, I think as a gay man, I just I went to the I went to the booty. Right. And, you know, I'm a woman, so I have a vagina. Yeah. Have you guys ever seen the Gilmore Girls? I've seen it, but I've maybe one episode. Zach. I'm familiar with it. I don't think I've seen a full episode. OK, but being familiar with it, I know how it's kind of like people kind of make fun of it because of the
dialogue style, I guess. So like the beginning of this movie felt very much like that, where they're just like talking really fast to each other without thinking about any kind of response. It's not like they're just smart and witty. They're just like, they're dialoguing. They just know their lines. Yeah, they're talking as fast as they can at each other. Yeah. So that may be enough.
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And I was a little taken out of it when I first started this because I watched it on the Roku channel, which bonus it was supposed to be with ads and there was like little dots on the timeline for where the ads would be, but none of them played. So I just saw the whole thing. However, I do like to watch with the captions on and the captions on this, like I don't know what happened, but they were like.
They didn't like go across the bottom of the screen like long ways. They were like stacked short and like they went like halfway up the screen. And I was like, this is I was so I watched it for like three minutes and I was like that way. And I'm like, I don't know what the fuck I'm going to do. So that's so I had to turn it off, turn, turn them off. I watch my stuff with subtitles, too. And I was watching something the other day where the subtitles went above each character that was talking.
Oh, I've seen that before. And that was weird because I was like, I can't see his face. That's weird, because that feels like a choice like a filmmaker would make. Yeah. In film to be like, you know, like it feels like a creative choice rather than something that feels practical. Yeah. But so I turned so I turned those off. But I did notice that at the beginning, I was like, number one, I was like trying to keep up with like reading the subtitles because yeah, whatever. But then they were very quick with their. Yeah, they had.
clearly learned their lines very well. But before we get into this, there are some things that I would like to talk about. The layer of the white worm was actually based on a Bram Stoker novel of the same title, which is apparently really bad. I've heard this it's been called like one of the worst novels like ever. Even HP Lovecraft I saw
Bram Stoker took a good idea and like fucking ruined it. By the way, he wrote it. He's like, I HB hatecraft this movie. Well, I wonder why they decided to make a movie. Well, and that's the thing. Ken Russell wrote this movie based on the book. And apparently in the Bram Stoker novel, there is no vampire creatures or anything. But he thought that.
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being like connected with Bram Stoker, you'd have to have some kind of vampire element. And so he added that in to his screen. I just assumed that was because it was Bram Stoker. Yeah. So apparently they're not in there. I was like, wow, he can't let it go. So the Bram Stoker novel is based on a real legend called the Lampton worm. Yeah. And it's worm. It's sort of like a worm, but it's also like worm like W.Y.R.M. They say in the movie they say which means like drurm or something which translates to dragon. Yeah.
So basically what this legend is, is there was a man named John Lambton. And one day he didn't want to go to church. He was like a kid. And he was like, fuck this, I'm not going to church, I'm gonna go fishing instead. And he goes fishing and he meets this guy. Some some people say it's like a guy or sometimes it's like a witch. And they're like, you shouldn't be skipping church, because bad things are gonna happen if you skip church. And he's like, so cute, which
So the only thing he catches that day is like this weird looking worm thing. So he catches this worm thing, right. And this witch or handsome stranger is like, you need to get rid of that thing because it's going to curse your whole family. Basically, because you didn't go to church and he's like, fuck you. And he like throws the fucking worm down a well. So. He grows up. Yeah.
He grows up to become a full grown man and he goes off to join the Crusades. Right. Oh, OK. Oh, this worm, this worm never. Oh, yeah. This was like a long time ago. OK. This worm never died. It just grew bigger and bigger and bigger. And when he's off in the Crusades, the worm comes out and like starts to like terrorize this town. Right. It like wraps itself around like this hill.
and because it's like huge and it like eats all the cattle it eats everything like it won't let anything grow. It's basically fucking up this whole town. So all these men try to kill it and they can't do it. But oh, here's a cool little tidbit when you cut the when you cut the fucking worm, the pieces that fall off like go back onto the worm and it like can't die right.
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So anyway, it's like John Lennon Deadpool. Yeah, I thought Wolverine, right? Well, no, Wolverine's made of adamantium. He can't even get cut. Oh, what the fuck does Deadpool do then? Deadpool technically, I'm pretty sure is like his soul. Right. Like he can't die because his soul can't die. Basically, so like in this in one of I think the beginning of the second one, he tries to like blow himself up. Oh.
but you think they call him a life pool. Well, do you know why he's called Deadpool? Because he's a pool of dead. No, it has to do with like a betting system, Deadpool. Oh yeah, I remember that. Like betting like gambling or betting like sheets of linen? Okay. No, gambling. Like there's a, like they're all hit men and there's like a dead pool, like who's gonna go this week? Oh. Yeah. Kind of thing. Oh, that makes so much sense. Yeah.
But okay, the lampton were every day. So yes, john lanson come john lanton comes back from the crusades and there's this worm and it's like terrorizing the town. He's like, I'm gonna fucking kill this worm. Because basically, it's my fault. And he sees that which again, right. And she's like, hey, the only way you can kill this. First of all, you have to like put these little spikes on your armor, right? He's like, cool, which we'll get to in a second. And then once you kill the worm,
you have to kill the first thing that you see. Oh God. And that's the only way to break the curse. So he's like, why don't you come with me, which handsome fellow. No, it's a little more interesting than that. His choices are a little more interesting. So he puts these little spikes on his armor and he's okay. And he says, dad, I'm gonna go kill this worm. And when I'm done, I'm gonna blow my horn three times to let you know that it's dead. And when that happens,
you release your favorite hunting hound to come out to get me. And when I see the hound, I'll kill it and we'll break the curse. So that's like, cool. Got it. John Lambton goes out, fights the worm because he's got all these spikes on his armor. It like sheds all the little pieces and the worm can't get back together. And so he's able to kill the worm. Right. So he does it. He slays the worm. He blows his horn.
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The dad gets so fucking excited that he forgets to send the dog. And instead he just runs out and he's like, son, awesome way to go. And fucking John Lambton's like, dude, what the fuck? I told you to stay home, but it's too late then. So he's like, well, we're going to try it anyways. He sends the dog out. They kill the dog, but it doesn't work because that's not the first thing he saw. He's he cheated. And so the Lambton family is cursed.
for like nine generations, right? They can't, the curse is that none of them will die nicely in their beds. Okay. Kasey, that's not funny. This is a curse. I just thought to the Lampton family. First of all, none of them will die nicely. None of them will die, yeah. Comfortably in their bed. Comfortably, nicely, whatever. So that is the legend of the Lampton worm.
Right. Interesting. Oh, my gosh, you guys, there's so much. So, OK, I love it. No, this is great. It is going to come full circle and your minds are going to be fucking blown. I bet. Just just wait. Just you. OK. So that was based on that's what Bram Stoker based his novel on. OK. Wow. So there is a song that was written that basically tells this whole legend. And it was kind of it's in like
Celtic or whatever. But it was adapted for this movie into that Scottish fun music like we heard in the Wiccan Man, right? Which number one, we'll get into it. But that was really cool to hear like this folk song about this worm. And it was like, kind of 80s, funky, but also like, yeah. Yeah. But it was, that was like an adaptation of a song that was written about the lampton worm. Cool. So.
Now here's where it gets crazy. Speaking of The Wicker Man and Scottish Fun Music, Anthony Schaeffer, who wrote The Wicker Man, took the Lambton Worm legend and wrote a treatment called the Loathsome Lambton Worm, which is a direct sequel to The Wicker Man. Okay. Oh my God. It never got made. It was like a 30 page treatment. It involved
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A spoiler alert for the Wicker Man. This involves Sergeant Howie being rescued by police before he's burned up fully in the in the. And he comes and he has to deal with this fucking worm thing that's come back and it's like a whole thing. OK, so which is nice because apples weren't OK. Yeah, it never got made. OK. However, a gentleman named Stephen Sloss
And another gentleman named Roz Menzies created an audio drama of the loathsome, lampton worm. They did this audio drama that is the direct sequel to the wicker man, which you can find on podcast platforms, Apple podcast Spotify, all this stuff. I think it's an hour and a half. It's an hour and 40 minutes audio drama. Okay. Okay, that's crazy all in itself.
Guess when it was released? It was released on Friday March 13th 2020 the day that me and Danny film cottonmouth That's crazy. Isn't that crazy? That's crazy Anyways, I thought it was kind of a that's wild It's a thing it's real we can just listen to it right now in our favorite podcast platforms That's right, and we'll even link it in our show notes
Oh boy. So you can listen to it. But OK, so that's a little history of the lampton worm, which in this movie is like the damped in worm. Do you pronounce D the or is it just amped in the worm? It's like when you said lampton, it sounded right. Yeah, that's what I thought it was. Oh, down in the down and worm, as in down and Abby. No, it's like it's like D apostrophe. A.M.P.T.O.N.
But don't they call it, don't they say the down hall? And then they say the down worm. Danny, you've just been watching too much Downton Abbey. Downton Abbey. I beg to differ. I could have sworn they said the down worm. Well, with the accents and stuff, it probably sounds that way. Who really knows what the hell they're saying? No, I don't. So with all that being said, all that information that.
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I just threw you guys. I love this movie so much. Are you ready to meet our monster and enter the lair of the white worm? Are you ready to enter the vagina slash your butt hole of the Caucasian penis of this movie? Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. So are we all penises in this example? We're the penises. We're all.
Caucasian penises it all depends on what layer you're going into gotcha Oh, I was gonna say we could be the people who are going into find the Caucasian penis and the bow Or the vagina snow, but Zach has stated firmly. No Well in this Particular scenario. I think that we are all the quick Caucasian penises and the movie is the vagina or the butthole Yeah, depending if you watched it from
the beginning or if you watched it from the back and rewound it. Yeah, I came in from the back. Maybe you watched it backwards. You watched it from behind. Do you watch your movies doggy style? I like to watch my movies butt side. What do you mean? You know, backwards on the credits. Oh, okay.
God all right all right. Let's go to Let's where they at
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Do you guys think Sceelo ever got his wishes? Who the fuck is Sceelo? What the fuck are you talking about? I was meaning to ask you guys that, wondering if it was gonna land or not. Now I have my answer. Who's Sceelo? You know Sceelo? I wish I was a little bit taller. I wish I was a baller. I wish I had a girl who looked good. I would call her. I wish I had a rabbit in a hat with a back and a six foot baller. Now I do.
Yep, okay, so it didn't land. Never mind. We'll move on. Yeah, let's hump this lair. Get in this lair. Take this worm and get right in this lair. Get in a lair. Take that. Take that dick. I'm gonna put my worm in. I'm fixing the worm yet. Fixing the worm. God, that's so funny. Okay.
Danny, can you please, before we begin discussing, can you please read the synopsis of the layer of the white worm? I sure can. Right, the synopsis for the layer of the white worm is when an archaeologist uncovers a strange skull in a foreign land, the residents of a nearby town begin to disappear, leading to further inexplicable occurrences. Interesting. It's not the right order, but that's okay.
Yeah. It's in the right order. No, no, they started disappearing before that. We've started talking about our last two feature films in this series, kind of with like the music that opens up these movies. This one is much more like slasher esque than a traditional folk song like that opened up with the man and men. This kind of has like those sharp like
Yeah. So that seemed kind of interesting where it was like, I don't know, again, it gave me a vibe right off the bat. Like, oh, this movie is folky, but it's not as... It's embracing the modern elements of horror films, kind of. It's, you know, because even when we get to the song later, we mentioned it's like that dropkick Murphy. Like everything's a little more like hip. This is like the scream.
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version of the Wicker Man. Everything's a little more elevated and wackier and a little more tongue. Well, I mean in the sense of like it being more tongue in cheek and it's not taking itself as seriously, but it's still playing on the same themes. I get wants that young audience. At least that was kind of like my takeaway from it. Yeah. So it opens up with him digging, right? Yes. In the little hole. Angus.
Played by Peter Capaldi. Yeah, after it shows us the lair. Yeah. Peter Capaldi. I love a movie. I love when movies just jump right into it. It's like, we are going to talk about this thing, and we are going to open up on this thing, and we are going to hit the ground running. Yes, thank goodness it was only an hour and a half. Ha ha ha. Jesus. Unfortunately, it was an hour and a half. I don't mean it like that. I love hour and a half movies. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you do. Yeah.
Are Peter Capaldi and Harold Ramis the same person? Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah. Okay, he's a doctor, right? Doctor who? Mm-hmm. That's like a time travel and like he, the doctor. That's like a time travel and they like form into another version. They regenerate, sorry. Using all the wrong terminology. They regenerate into something else. He must have regenerated into Harold Ramis.
For Ghostbusters? It's funny because Harold Ramis kind of reminds me of more along the lines of the third doctor. Oh. Because he has like the kind of, I don't know, the hair and... But I guess Peter Capaldi kind of reminds me of the third doctor too, so maybe there's something there. It's not even a conspiracy theory. It's just... It's not even a conspiracy theory. It's just true. She's in time. No. Let me get my shovel. I think we need to dig up some hard facts.
Yeah. Speaking of digging this fucking skull of the white worm, right, was the core of it was a real cow skull. Oh, it just and they like sculpted around it. Yeah. What was the point of that? I don't know structure. I don't I don't know. Budget. Don't ask me. It's always cheap.
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Speaking of budget, there was two nude scenes that were cut from this movie. Well, they never got filmed, but number one involved the Boy Scout kid when he stood up in the hot tub. Oh, it's like who? In the bathtub or tub, whatever you're supposed to see. The hitchhiker? Yeah, you're supposed to see everything. But I guess he got nervous the day of and so they changed it to just whatever.
And the other one, this is where the budget comes into play. Eve at the end of the movie, when she's like hanging over the yeah, the pit with the white worm and she's in like this kind of whatever she's wearing, she was supposed to be naked. She's wearing brown panties. OK, brown panties, white cotton. OK, there you go. Yeah, well, that's the thing. White cotton. She's hanging over there. She was supposed to be naked and she's like, I'm not doing that. And so.
the costume designer was like, okay, we can put her in like this silk kind of like nightgown thing. And Ken Russell was like, No, like this wasn't in the budget. She wasn't supposed to have any clothes on. We don't have the budget for that. So just put her in. We cannot go to the store and buy her $8 slip. Yeah, I love that like
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She should be naked because she's going to be eaten. So I love how the white worm, they're like, no, he likes a little like just a dash of cotton, like just a little bit. So the underwear works actually. Well, we're just to justify it. I feel like they would have paid her extra to be naked. So you take that pay away from her because she's not going to be naked and you go buy her some fucking clothes. See, that makes sense. You get your ass out there and you find that fucking dog.
But maybe they maybe they weren't going to pay her extra. I don't know. I was going to say, yeah, why not just use a body double? But I guess that's the whole point is money. All right. So he digs up this skull. Oh, so yeah, so he does he digs up the skull. So we find out that Peter Capaldi character Angus is an archaeologist and he's doing a dig outside of this bed and breakfast that used to be a convent. It's like Catholic convent back in the day. He
points out the fact that he's like, oh, it's like a dinosaur because what could the skull possibly belong to? And it turns out that because of where it's buried, there's no way that it could be time-wise a dinosaur had lived in that era. So now- Because of how far down it is. Yeah. So the plot immediately is like thickens. And if you're paying attention to the movie.
Aka if you looked at the title of the movie, you would know that it's probably the white worm probably Dione is The pagan snake god, yep Dione and now when he finds those coins to that one just looks like a fucking penny the other one, but I guess it's not it's like some other guy who They say his name later. Fuck. Mm-hmm. Yeah, this was the most
This is an exposition dig. You get everything you need to set up the story. You get the little coins with all the little imagery and symbols to kind of tie it back to what you would call it. Wait, do the other symbols on or maybe I'm thinking of the mosaic that's on the ground. Well, you see the mosaic, but he like he shows like two coins and once it looks like one's like maybe like the back of the other one. But one looks like a fucking penny. One's got a snake in the other one. Who's on the penny? Lincoln.
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Yeah, Lincoln Lincoln. Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. But yeah, so we have the coins, we've got the skull and we know it's this con this old convent and we have this mosaic that shows although I don't know do we see it then I don't know I thought we saw it later but it has the we don't see until. Yeah, gotcha. Well, we'll get there listeners but just a heads up. It tells you everything you need to know.
about the way. Yeah, but right now we're going to damped in hall. Yeah, damped in down hall. Now we're going to down abbey for the party for a party. The white worm party. And you know, those things are it's like
You see on Instagram where it's like if they made one different decision, it would just like end the movie. Yeah. Hugh Grant, like cuts the fucking fake worm. It's like the end directed by Ken Russell. But you do get a nice bit of foreshadowing with that with that worm costume because it starts like fucking with Eve. And like you feel like at the end, she's the one that's like about to be sacrificed to the great to the world. Notice that's so I didn't even think of that. Yeah.
Yeah, they tell you everything you need to know about the white worm in that song, which it's hard to kind of like hear every little word in that song. But you basically get the idea that Scottish fun song. It's it's there. Is there a third? Is there a Scottish fun song in men? There's a Scottish fun song. I don't think there's any fun songs in men. The singer of this group, though, looks like Sam Smith before they came out as like non-binary and. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Looks just like.
Okay, so Sam Smith basically introduces us to the tale of the white worm. Yeah. Even so far as saying that they point out like, yeah, you have to cut in half. Essentially that's how they killed it back in the day. And then we get all the exposition about Lord James. Yeah. It was like his ancestors. Yeah. Is that while they're talking over the table of food?
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Yes. Yeah. Because I'm not going to lie. Well, I didn't hear any of that dialogue because I was very distracted by what was on that table. It was pickled earthworms. Right. But not but not just that. There's a container that has octopus tentacles just flowing over the side of it. There's a thing that looks like black jello with an octopus laying on top of it. There's another big bowl of green jello, a green jello dome that has a bunch of blackberries around it.
And then there's like a big eel head sticking out of a bowl Yeah, well this is I'm glad you mentioned that because this whole movie is littered with phallic symbols So the idea which is funny be well not funny But like it's just interesting that is kind of like a running theme through these folk horror movies of what does it? Have to do with that It's phallic. It's like a big old fucking thing like You know like a worm
Yeah, tentacles. They don't look like dicks right here. But the idea of like tentacles, worms, Yeah. Peni, you know, it's all... You can have a phallic symbol without being an erect phallic symbol. Yeah. Yeah, but this... Well, floppy phallics. I mean, phallics are sometimes floppy. Most of the time they're floppy. And the whole thing with folk horror is about...
The idea of nature kind of that regenerative process. Oh, true, true. Aside from Max. Land fucking, essentially. It's nature kind of constantly sort of consummating and breeding and birthing and that whole, I mean literally the layer of the white worm, the whole of the worm, the vagina of the penis, it's all right there in the title.
Um, yeah, I know the penis. Yep. I also hated how much Hugh Grant struggled trying to get those earthworms onto that on Angus's plate. Oh, God. When Angus was fucking eating them and they were just like hanging out of his mouth. He's like has these tiny little tongs and he's like picking up a huge scoop of them and trying to set them on the plate, but they won't come off of the tongs and they just keep talking. And he's like.
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Yeah. Shovelling him up. This is like that scene in The Lost Boys, except they commit to it. It's not, it's not all in his head. He's like, how are your worms, Peter Capaldi? I would argue that The Lost Boys one commits a little more because they actually show them as maggots. That's true. And worms. They're not worms. And worms. The noodles are worms. Yeah. But clearly they're not worms in this.
Peter Capaldi's like, I'm full method, I want pickled earthworms. I won't do this without actual pickled earthworms. They're definitely Twizzlers Pull and Peels, all pulled apart. They didn't have Twizzlers Pull and Peels back then. I know. Number one, number one, how dare you. First of all, Twizzlers Pull and Peels are gross.
They're good because they're actually yeah. OK, actual Twizzlers are good. Strawberry flavor twizzlers. Oh, OK, that's why that's twizzlers are amazing. And the best part of the twizzler are the little pointy tips. I like that. Yeah, I agree. It's the crust. Oh, I love this. So they so Angus and Mary leave the party and.
Mary by the way who in a remake could absolutely be played by Kate McKinnon Well, it would definitely be more comedic it would definitely be Make of this like that would be fun I would love that. Oh my god
But they leave the party, Angus and Mary leave the party and they're in the woods and they see this car coming through without its headlights on. And they're like, boy, that was scary. A car. We don't know who it was. What is the wall flowers? What is this? The wall flowers? No, no,
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conveniently, when they get back to the house, there is a police officer there who is returning a pocket watch of her missing father, which they found in a cave. Found in a cave. Yeah, a famous cave, which the area knows as this is where the white worm. The legend has it that the white worm lived in this cave. Yes. But they're like, Hey, copper.
We saw a crazy car out there with no headlights on. Go check it out. And he's like, well, I was gonna go home, but I guess not. So he goes to check it out. And then they have like this weird like, which here's part of the horror comedy, this little back and forth where he's trying to get his deputy to come meet him. I was loving this scene so much. Deal, because he thinks there's an intruder in this house.
And the guy's like, no, like I'm eating. If they ever remake this movie, I would love to see it. Maybe it's too on the nose for him, but I would love to see Edgar Wright or someone like Edgar Wright, because that scene alone, just his sort of like comedy where it just it keeps going. It keeps like dragging on. But somehow maybe you'd like to see your egg, you're right in it. Or you'd like to see a remake directed by a gear, right? The second part.
Okay. Yeah. Oh my gosh. It could be like a Nick Frost. Yes. You're right. Movie. Oh my God. That would be awesome. That would be so good. But Mr. Cop man gets bit. So he gets bit by a snake. And at the same time, we meet Lady Sylvia Marsh. Yes. Yeah.
I'm worse than a man. Yeah. And the first thing she does is she sucks on the long leg of the law. Yeah, she does. And she's. Oh. Which I think this might be our first, like wide angle shot of the movie, which the camera work in this movie is pretty cool. There's a lot of crazy like fish eye.
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fish eye wide angle shots that give like this disorienting kind of look and I think her sucking on his leg to get the venom out is the first the first one we see. Yeah, nothing phallic about that though I would say of all the seasons maybe sucking on a long leg to get the poison out. He's also dressed in all white.
What does that symbolize? I don't know. Parity. No, Pishy's the white worm. Oh my God. It's in the fucking title. I couldn't tell if you were joking or not. I was not joking. So thank you for that. She's asking him like, what is he doing and this and all this stuff. And he's like, oh, they saw a strange car. I didn't know that was your car. And she's like,
She said she changes cars more than a snake sheds its skin. And I was like, OK, yeah, that's cool. When she sucks the venom out of him, she also doesn't spit it out. Right, right. Like you're supposed to. She swallows. Yeah, she swallows. He teaches their own.
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Oh, but he says that but the cop tells her that something's going on at this cottage with Mary and Eve. And so she goes to check it out the next day and nobody's there, but she sees the skull in. Well, nobody's there, but the door is wide open. The doors wide open. Hey, this is the 80s. The countryside, you know, I don't care. You can't get mad at somebody for coming in your house and stealing your snake skull.
It's fair. If you leave your door wide open. It's a good point. But that was a very cool speaking of wide angle fish eye shots. That was cool. Of this when she picked it up. Yeah. Like when she walks in the room and the skulls they're like huge and she looks really small. Then she comes towards and it's like, oh, disorienting. Very cool. This is our first reveal of the monster. I mean, I guess you could like when she didn't spit the poison out, you could kind of be like, okay.
sums up with her. That could be a kink and we don't kink shame. Yeah. Well, it might kill her. Drinking venom. Yeah. But she has the skull. She takes the skull and when she leaves, she like spits venom out on the crucifix that's on the wall and we see her long teeth. But it was a very...
Being a reveal, being this crazy reveal of these huge teeth and spitting, it was kind of just lackluster. Very casual. It's just like, this is what it is. You don't need a setup. You don't need anything. Yeah. And it was very just like, oh, okay. What do you guys, how do you feel about that? Do you like that? Was it surprising enough to actually make you appreciate it or was it like, oh, kind of disappointing?
Well, to me, it was disappointing because number one, on all of the posters and the movie art, you see her big fangs. And so I knew who she was. And so that just kind of like, I was wanting it to be a little bigger deal, even though I knew what it was. But oddly enough, it reminded me of
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Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The Next Generation starring Ray Zellweger and Matthew McConaughey, which is the reason that we started this show was because in that one when they introduced Leatherface, at that point, it's like the fourth movie. And so you know who Leatherface is. And so when he comes on, he just comes on the screen like real quiet, like he literally like is like sneaking behind this girl. But it's like not a big deal at all. It's just like.
Here he is. Okay. We go like it's not like a it's not like the first one where he like opens the door and it's like a big reveal and you're like, holy shit. It's like we know who Leatherface is and just he just comes on the screen. He says that kind of reminded me of this where it's just like, Oh, okay. Here. This person is that I've seen on all the posters. So anyways, that's reminded me of that. Yeah, I it didn't. Yeah, I mean, I well, I loved it.
Yeah, I didn't. I mean, it was like Zach. It was the opposite for me knowing who she already was. It didn't have to be anything. Okay. extravagant for me, you know, since I already knew. I was just like, Oh, okay. I mean, what she did was pretty cool. Like, Well, yeah, I mean, acid. I was like, Come on, woman. Come on, you're in this house. You're gonna walk into this house and you're gonna be nosy. That's not cool. And then she spit venom on Jesus and the crucifix. And I was like, All right, okay.
I guess they could have gotten away with like holding off on her reveal even longer in But also kind of just like letting the audience know she's evil. Maybe when the people come home We see you know, cuz when she comes into the house she kind of glares at the crucifix and walks past it Before she gets the skull. Maybe we could have had her just leave the place
or leave the room and then implying that she left the house. And then when our main characters come home, they could find the crucifix have like this like poison on it. So it kind of tells you we get it that she did it, but we haven't yet. Still haven't seen the physical reveal. Yeah. I think aside from even that part, they kind of and her being on the, you know, in the pictures and stuff with her fangs out. I think that she just comes off as the villain. Yeah.
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As soon as you meet her. Yeah. Anyway, so why even, you know, yeah, why delay the inevitable? Yeah, right. Yeah, I get that. So we agree the movie's perfect. Great. It's not pumpkin head. OK, that is not. Oh, yeah, it's not pumpkin head. But Eve and James played by Hugh Grant.
they come back after a night of party worm slang, and Eve's like, I'm really tired, I'm gonna go to sleep. She goes up and she touches the green spit on the fucking acid, and she touches it on the crucifix, and what the fuck do we watch after this? This imagery is so- A bunch of nuns with their tits out. Oh my God, and there's like so much like,
fucking like rape sexual assault. Can you imagine trying to get a film career and like your only credit is like tits out none in the world? Like the only thing I ever did. They never cast me. Yeah.
Yeah, those typecasts. That's the thing about all these dream sequences is they are so like wacky and crazy and fun. But then you're like, well, they're not the visuals. Yeah. You know, it has that fever dream quality. So you kind of want to, you know. Well, yeah, it's old, so it's kind of hokey and yeah. Yeah. But it's really not. The subject is totally. It's really fucked up. Mm hmm. But also the Jesus on the crucifix with the snake wrapped around him like
That's what's on the coin, too, that they found. And this is setting up a kind of a reveal later that we'll explore of like this relationship between the Roman soldiers, Jesus and this worm. And also, we'll just go ahead and say her name is Eve. Dude, apples, Eve, snakes. Also, her sister is Mary.
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What the fuck? I didn't even pick up on that. You know, folk horror movies, all the same movie just kind of like, yeah, reworked. I guess so. They all have the same. I mean, they do all have the same idea. Yeah, no. Yeah. So but this is where we see the mosaic because she comes down. And she at first she forgets what she saw and then
Oh, yeah. When she touches the fucking acid, she trips on the vacuum cord. Yeah, the vacuum tube. And it's like a white worm, a white worm. And even at the very first scene when he's digging, when we first see Peter Capaldi, he goes to turn on the water and he trips on the white hose. Oh, does he? I didn't remember that. Mm hmm. Huh.
It's a lot of these little things but just she finally remembers. Yeah, I hate it happens to me all the times. I'm always tripping over my white hose. Just dragging on the floor. This is so stupid. But I remember this when I was younger. Like we were like eighth grade and my friend had this older brother who we thought was so cool. And he was always like trying to do like
jokes that were like lewd, you know, but like we thought it was the greatest thing. And one time he was like, this is, I don't know, not even, this is so dumb. No, now you have to say. He was like scratching his like calf and he's like, and his sister's like, what's wrong? He's like, oh, just my, my scratching my dick or something like that. Like my dick was itchy. Like the way the delivery was much funnier than what I just did.
Okay, you scratch my back, I scratch yours. Just take me out to the fields and shoot me. I told you a stupid. Yeah, you were right. You were right. But we had to hear it to judge for ourselves. Exactly. No shame, no gain. But this is where the mosaic that you mentioned comes back into play because she remembers what she saw. And James is like, was it a
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Was it a snake wrapped around a cross or whatever? And she's like, yeah, he's like, come with me. And she's like, no, he's like, seriously. And they go out and it's like, it's in the pit where he found the skull. They've dug even farther and now there's a mosaic of this symbol. So things are taking a turn. And James already knows something's up. He's like, yeah, guys, I'm out of here. I'm gonna go investigate.
And so he takes off and when he passes the road, we see this hitchhiker who he just blows by. He's like, fuck you. Well, I wouldn't pick up a hitchhiker. Yeah, especially in the rain. I can't even say that because I have. Have you? I've always been fascinated by the idea of it. Well, it wasn't necessarily hitchhiking. I feel like I guys have told you the story, but I was like stopped at a red light at like 1130 at night on my way home from work.
No, and it was pouring rain out and I was stopped at a red light and this old woman knocked on my window And i'm like, I shouldn't roll the window down, but I did And she was like I'm really sorry. She's very sweet But she was like, you know, it's pouring rain the last bus already left. I don't have a way to get home Can you give me a ride home? Then I did So kacy opened up the trunk of her car and let her in. I don't have a trunk
You tied it to the roof. So no, I just don't have a trunk. Well, no, I have a fiat fiat. That's right. Um, but yeah, she got in. I took her home. Her name is Velma, which I was like, wow, that's a really cute name. Uh, and this means nothing to you, Danny, but Zach, I drove her down to the lowest, lowest part of the East side and it was scary.
I know these are the worst part of Erie So the whole time though, I was like is she gonna kill me does she have somebody waiting for me to kill me? in that situation, Casey Are you like are you the kind of person who's like, all right, you know?
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come see come saw whatever happens, say la vie, all that stuff. Or are you like prepared? Like I have a thing, I know where that thing is in my middle console that I can grab. Yeah, I have mace in my, I have mace in my door, like the panel thing. So, you know, there's always that, but mace doesn't help if somebody shoots you with a gun, but you know, but it maces them. It's true. I think that now, cause that was like 10 years ago. So.
You know, now I just wouldn't have. Yeah. Probably rolled down the window. Yeah. Which seems very mean, but you know. But what if she was a ghost? And if you didn't pick her up, she would curse you. Yeah, see? Mm-hmm. So yeah, so our official stance on the How I Met Your Monster podcast is if you see a hitchhiker, you should pick them up. Mm-hmm. Should you? No.
No, if it was, especially if you're a woman in her early 20s all by yourself. Yeah, yeah. Probably not. Yeah, probably. Speaking of asking for age, I checked that guy was 23. The hitchhiker kid. Yes, because I was like, he does not look like he's 18. This is really fucking gross. So I googled his age and he was 23 when this movie came out. That's good.
Because that called him a boy scout. Yes, that's why he is a boy scout. Nudity. And I was like, no, I'm telling you, he's a he's a boy scout. So that's like this thing like he's going to like a thing, right? To like a have like a boy scout meeting. I didn't think so. I thought he was just going to dinner. I don't know. No, he's going somewhere. When he's wearing like a boy scout outfit. Right.
Casey, you have the movie pulled up. See what he's wearing. Yeah, let's go to our engineer in the in the sound booth. Yeah. Um, I mean, no, he's wearing a hat that looks like a ranger kind of hat. There you go. Not the same thing. He could be in the military, Zach. I'm telling you. Oh, I guess he is. He's got the little red tie.
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Thank you. Thank you. But Danny, as I was saying, and you were distracted because you were texting Cody. So when she gets all starts to get all weird. I mean, obviously, you know, we already know that what kind of what's gonna happen. But when she starts to get like real gross with them, you know, I thought this kid might not be 18. This is disgusting. So I googled his age because I wanted to make sure and he was 23 when this movie came out.
OK, so you can drown someone naked in the bath. And then before you decide that you're going to sacrifice that. Well, I think she's talking a little bit more about like biting his penis. Yeah, the sexual part. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, wait. I'm like, forgot you can kill anybody. Yeah. Age doesn't matter when you murder somebody. Yeah. So and she's got like her legs out in the car, you know, like she's got that really short, you know, you can see her gardener.
This movie is so horny. Like, everyone's learning by like, I mean, look at their primal urges. Dude, imagine Sergeant Howie watching this movie. Oh, he'd have a tough time. He would need a bucket for all his sweat. He's like, Sylvia. I thought Willow was hot, but Sylvia is like, way hotter.
So I wish she's got a way about her that Willow didn't have. Like she's got like an assertiveness. Yeah, Willow was trying to be Willow can't even dance. So, Mm hmm. Sylvie is there to like get the job done. Willow's there to sort of like turn you on and like kind of get your, you know, your berries. Juices flowing? Yeah. Oh. No. Same principle. Yeah, the berries tingling.
But Sylvia's like, she's clocking in. She's like, I've been doing this for years. I know how to fucking roll. Yeah, and by knowing how to fucking roll, you mean how to play fucking shoots and ladders, snakes and ladders? Yeah, snakes and ladders. So snakes and ladders doesn't exist or does it? Cause I was literally like, is this just supposed to be like- Snakes and ladders exist. Oh, really? I think there's like two.
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Um, like shoots and ladders like snakes and ladders is an actual thing. I was like, okay movie, I get it. It's snakes. You don't have to turn shoots and ladders into snakes. No, it's real. No, I think snakes and ladders is the original. Wow. Serves me right. But they are, but they are both, uh, they are both actual things. Snakes and ladders. Snakes and ladders began in 1943. Okay. What? I mean, what is a snake but a shoot?
Yeah, it's definitely not a shoot. Well, it's a shoot for its victims. Because what is a shoot? But a hollowed out snake. Yeah. Oh, interesting. So did you know that the shoots and ladders or snakes and ladders? It's virtues and vices. So virtually the game are ladders where you go up and vices would be snakes or shoots that you go down. Virtues, vices.
Whoa, it's like a heaven and hell kind of thing. Has to do with the movie. Yeah. But yes, so then they're playing the game. Go ahead. Go ahead. That's how I woo everyone at the game of what is it? Virtues and vices. Yes. Yeah. I'm like, all right, now let's do this.
But dude, when they're playing that game, he busts out his harmonica. Yeah, she starts to do like this weird like dance thing. She can't help it. When they were in the car, they were in the car and she asked him, didn't she ask him if he could if he could play any instruments. And his answer was I'm pretty good at the mouth organ, which
I was very confused by and I immediately just thought of a skin flute, which is a dick, but Then I thought maybe he meant whistling and I don't know is a harmonica a mouth organ like an organ like Fair mouth sure Casey you are ripping this movie open and you are fine. Yeah, I'm doing so great. Yeah Yeah, I think he probably met harmonica
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Yeah, okay. Probably met her Monica. Not a dick. Okay. Anyway. But so she so she lures him into the bathtub. She bites the big one. He gets like paralyzed, right? She puts like venom in him and he like he can feel everything and he's awake but whatever. doorbell rings, bing bong. It's James. She's like, all right, sacrifice is gonna have to wait gonna drown you kid. So she pushes him into the water and he and she says I'm actually doing you a favor right now.
Yeah. I guess you can read that as. Would you rather be eating or drowned slowly after getting your boner bit? Well, it depends. I assume that the. That's a good question. Probably a slow digestion in the worm. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. If they swallow you whole. Mm hmm. You know.
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Because like if you get if you drown, like even though you're like you're paralyzed, you're like, okay, I'm in water, I'm drowning. But like, you see a big fucking worm coming up to you like there's a whole other thing going to your head. Fuck. Yeah. But James comes to the door and he wants to talk to her about fucking whatever it turns into like her mental health. Because they're talking about snakes and ladders and she's like, I'm traumatized by snakes. Oh, yeah.
They like have a connection really quickly. And he's like, can I see you again? She's like, yeah. And then they kiss just like, what? It's just, it's a charm, man. And you see her little snake tongue like really quickly. They're about to like. But yeah, so what, so I read this scene as we're meeting, you know, cause he mentions how he's always kind of away traveling or in school or whatever. And she hibernates during the winter. So they just naturally like their paths just didn't cross.
So I felt like that was the movie telling us, especially since he's the last of his ancestors, that this is the meeting of the hero and villain. So it felt very significant, but then I wasn't sure if, was she wooing him? I guess, okay, maybe I'm answering my own question. So she was just wooing him, maybe aware of who he was to say, oh, you're gonna be my sacrifice, okay.
Well, I didn't necessarily think it was for the sacrificial purposes. I thought it was more of just like, you know, the more people that I can get to be on my side, the less people that are trying to fight against me. Yeah, that makes more sense. OK, she knew who he was. She probably knew he wasn't a virgin. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah. OK. She just wanted to be like, if he likes me, then maybe he won't come after me. OK. And I do have one more question about this scene. She has kind of.
like a Citizen Kane moment when she throws the game into the fire and she goes, Rosebud. What was that? Was the game because then she's saying how she's afraid of snakes. But was that a lie? Did she say Rosebud? Yeah, she yes, she says Rosebud. OK, I heard her say so. I didn't know what she said. Yes, Rosebud. So like, OK, so if we're going to stretch out like her story, like who she is, like her background. So assuming what she's telling us is the truth.
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She was bit by a snake, quote unquote snake, some kind of thing transformed her into this species or thing. And she kind of has mixed feelings about it, like that actually did scare her. She maybe doesn't love what she's become, but she has to be it because it's taken her over.
I don't know. She she fucking owns it. I was gonna say, she loves it. Yeah, the I don't understand the rosebud thing because then it's like, are we to assume that they live in a world where Citizen Kane exists and she likes that movie? I don't know. Or in a world that doesn't exist. And this is the Citizen Kane of that world. World. OK. Because shoot the ladders could represent like in the innocent time before she was. Transformed into this creature.
And her burning it is to like signifying the fact that like I am embracing who I am and I'm letting go of this, like these innocence, the innocence of my human side. Man, I think Ken Russell just wanted her to bite some boners. Yeah. And then go and then it was like, ah, Citizen Kane, how could I? How can I elevate this movie into that? Citizen Kane's a good movie. It's a classic. So here we are at this.
wild dream sequence on an airplane. So James falls asleep. And before he falls asleep, he like sees this picture on his wall of this knight in shining armor fucking slaying the white worm, which is supposed to be like his ancestor. Also on the TV. What's on TV? There's like a big caterpillar slithering around and turning into a butterfly. That's right.
That's right. He's like watching it while he's like talking to somebody on the phone, right? But in his dream, he kind of like walks into this layer, this cave. And then all of a sudden, he's like walking up the stairs to an airplane. Okay. He gets on the airplane. Sylvia is like the stewardess.
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the flight attendant, and she like hands him a crossword puzzle, like a newspaper, a crossword puzzle, and he starts like drawing on it, and it's clearly like a snake shape that he's like outlining. Meanwhile, Sylvia is pouring drinks for people. She pours drinks for Mary and Eve's parents who are tied up in the airplane, right? She goes to pour a drink for James and
Eve is also now in the dream as another flight attendant, and she hits the drink out of her hand because she knows it's poison. They start wrestling, right? They all have their stockings on and their outfits and they're climbing on top of each other. James is kind of liking this. He doesn't know how to feel. I think he's tied up.
Right? Yeah. He might be tied to the thing, but he still has the pen. He still has the pen in his hands. And as he's watching them wrestle his red rocket, he starts to like raise it up. It's clearly like him getting a boner. Oh, my God. The visual is so funny. It's very strange. Oh, I love it. But then.
There's more fighting and then there's like, he's watching like then stick their legs out of the doorways and he like doesn't know who is who he's a C in both legs. But then like, the parents get free and the dad walks away and he like follows the dad into now they're like in the cave again. And then he gets woken up by his butler. I forget his name. You guys know his name? I just wrote Butler.
Who's very clumsy, by the way. He's like, I thought he was all his breakfast. He seems so suspicious. Yeah, he did. But he did. Oh, that was so I would be so fucking pissed if I was sleeping like. It's one thing to be like, hey, it's time to wake up, but then to just fucking clank shit around. Oh, so irritating. He even says he's like, I was in a dream.
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you woke me up from a dream. So having this dream, James kind of like knows something's up. He's making this connection. And so he gets everyone to go back to this cave. I say everyone I mean, Angus, Eve and Mary, who have been searching for their parents. He's like, Hey, let's go back to this cave. There's clues that I've had in my dream. They're like, we've already searched here. He's like, we're doing it again. James and Angus go off to explore like a certain
part and they see these drawings on the wall. And one is a fertility symbol. And then they point out the fact that they talk about hermaphroditic creatures, and they specifically point out like earthworms. So it's an idea of the earthworm kind of representing this whole thing that we this through line through all these folklore movies of nature kind of being this you know.
this cyclical nature of rebirth and death and the fact that they point out that it doesn't need anything else. It doesn't need, you know, these out, you know, maybe in this case, the human element, any other outsider element to breed and to continue and thrive to show how much more powerful it is over us. I just thought that was an interesting thing for them to point out. But Eve is like, I'm tired. I'm not doing this. I'm going back on her way back to the cottage.
Guess who's in a fucking tree in the middle of the woods? Who? Sylvia. Lady Marsh. In another kind of sexy Sylvia outfit. Yeah. And so she lures Eve back to her residence, her big castle, and she's like in a tanning bed? Yeah. Yeah, was that supposed to be like a modern coffin kind of thing?
I don't know. Look out if we are. We don't sleep in coffins. We sleep in tannins. Later we find out she's sleeping in a basket by the fireplace, a wicker basket by the fireplace. Because she's a snake. She's the wicker woman. Wicker man. Oh my God. But she tells like, so like Eve is clearly like under some spell and Sylvia tells Eve that she's immortal and that she totally believes in reincarnation because she has seen Eve's soul before. And
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Her ancestors built their cottage on top of her convent, and so she's pissed. And so she says, Eve, you're gonna go to that phone and you're gonna call Mary and say you're on a train to London and you're going away because you can't take it anymore. Eve's like, okay, I'll call. She's under this trance. But while she's doing it, she starts to see the crucifix on her ring and it breaks the spell. And she's like, oh my God.
I'm being attacked. Then we see, then we get a cool reveal of Sylvia as the snake vampire lady. That was cool. Licking on that bloody knob. What? They show that her, she has a little, another little freak out sequence where she like a fever dream kind of thing. And it shows Sylvia. Oh yes. Sucking on a bloody knob.
Ew. Oh my God. And all like the penetration in those fucking sequences. Yeah. Terrible. Oh, just awful. Just awful. Like, Danny, you had mentioned earlier how like visually they're fun because they're like crazy trippy. But when you're looking at what's happening, it is awful. Oh my God. Yeah. So this is the first one she's
Talking to Mary on the phone, this is the first time we hear Angus. Yeah. Like first time we hear Angus and James talking about Dionin, who is the pagan snake god. And now things are like fully connect, like the dots are like fully connected. And James has this idea where he's going to lure Sylvia to his estate with this music blasting out of speakers.
Yeah, dude. Okay. It is time for the How I Met Your Monster conspiracy theory of the week. Let's do it. Hit it. Hit it. Hit it. Telling me that NASA is going to kill the president of the United States with an earthquake. Another kind of thing, a secret service. They can like throw himself on top of the whole Vietnam War was fought over a bit. And our huge loss to Aristotle.
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Okay, so Angus is Doctor Who is also a regenerated Harold Ramis. Yes. Right? Harold Ramis who, let me double check if I'm not mistaken. Oh, God. Otherwise, this is dead in the water. Hahaha. Yeah. Um.
Da da da. Okay, okay. Harold Ramis, who wrote Ghostbusters 2. Right? If you guys have seen Ghostbusters 2, you know that they enter the Statue of Liberty, right? And they soak it with the slime, and they blast Jackie Wilson out of the speakers.
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Right? To get the fucking Statue of Liberty moving. Yep. OK. And so Harold Ramis is actually the regenerated Peter Capaldi or Doctor Who or Angus, which was Angus, who got his idea from hearing James blast these speakers with the snake music. And he's like.
Harold Ramis is like, why do I have this idea? Like, how did this generate in my head? That's just there in his subconscious. Yeah, and he'll never know. That's the thing. It's a past life. And he'll never know how he got the memory. I mean, the doctor always remembers his past, but we can imply. But sometimes if it's, you know, like they always say, you know, in doctor who timelines are timey wimey. So he can be getting things like hats are crossed and was that my memory? It was such a long time ago.
Speaking of whimy, it's kind of like wormy. Well, that's solid. Termi-wormy. Uh-huh. Yep. There it is. So that just confirms our suspicion that Peter Capaldi's Angus is Herald Remus. And Lady Sylvia is a liberated woman. And the Statue of Liberty represents liberation.
And she is summoned just like the statue. So as the wires are crossed and truths are revealed and the subconscious is opened, that is how he puts it all together. I thought you were actually gonna say that Sylvia is also Zul. Yeah, that's what I thought. Because they have like the short haircut and the same figure. And she's Zul. She is Zul, yeah. Wow.
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So, there we go. Yeah. I love it. That's the best one yet. Confirmed. It actually is kind of perfect. So good. To have two. Yeah, I love it. All right, confirmed. All right, judges. All right, bulletproof. All right, do we have a sound effect for a mallet? Mallet? What is it? A gavel. Mm-hmm. That's it. Right there. That's what they sound like. Like in Ghostbusters 2 during the courtroom scene. Oh, yeah.
Mm hmm. Wow. It all comes together. OK, so James has James has lured Sylvia out of her house. And now Mary and Doctor Who sneak into the house to find Eve. They're looking for Eve and they find a different. They don't find Eve, but they find somebody else watching a weird television show of a.
snake lady. Oh, guys, who do they find? Mama Mary? Mama Mary? What's her first name? Mama Mary Trent Trent. Mary mama Trent. Mama Trent. Mama Trent. Mama Trent and guess what Mama Trent isn't so much just a regular mama anymore. She's a snake. Pyr. She's a snake.
BAM snake. She's a snake. But before I should point out before they find Mama Trent, they do see that Sylvia has a statue of the rebel Emperor Marcus something.
which, and that was the face that was on the coins in the dig, and they realized that he may have been involved in the pagan religion, because they point out earlier that Romans often assimilated other things into their beliefs. So now we're starting to realize like why there was this connection between the Romans and Jesus and these pagan images. So that's what it is. That's why this convent had a direct connection to the pagans, even though on the surface, it was Catholic.
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And it's because of this. Oh, see, I missed all that. Yeah. So is this a missed part? That was the reason why all of this was kind of this was like the focus, the center of the snake, I guess. Mm hmm. OK. Kind of fizzled out there at the end. But you get what I'm saying. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I didn't pick up on that. I knew that they found the statue, but I didn't. I missed that other connection. He was.
He was a Roman, but he was also Roman in his beliefs in terms of roaming. Roman around. Cell phones. Yes. Yup. Good service. Can't get it in the country. That's right. Yeah, that's it. That's right. And you're also not safe from mama Trent because she fucking bites her own daughter, Mary, who I'm sure she doesn't recognize anymore. Yup. But she bites her and Dr. Who has got to suck the venom out. Yup.
Oh, speaking of Doctor Who, I should point out that the creatures in this movie, and I would be remiss to not cover this fact, the creatures in this movie look almost exactly like the creatures in a Doctor Who episode, not starring Peter Capaldi, unfortunately.
but it's the first episode with Matt Smith as the 11th doctor, the creatures have, when they, they're humans, but when they open their mouths, they have these long fangs. Not the same, but similar enough. So I wondered if that was some kind of a... Quick, and like Danny, this is, I know this is dangerous territory for me to be wading in with you. Easy, easy. 60 years of Doctor Who, right? But Matt Smith was the 11th doctor. How many like...
So they would go for like years before they switched kind of like James Bond. Yeah. And there were gaps. You know, there were definitely gaps. There was, you know, in the 90s was kind of like a dead zone. They did a TV movie. It basically OK. So it hasn't been like every. No, it ended in the 80s with The Seventh Doctor had a TV movie with The Eighth Doctor, which also starred Eric Roberts as the villain. And then was rebooted in 2005. And it's been pretty consistent since then.
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So they call that anything after 2005 is considered new who? So you have the 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, and then the upcoming 15th. But you also have the war doctor and some other alternate doctors. Okay. It's very confusing. Okay. So it's just 60 years since the, since the beginning. Yeah. Gotcha. Okay. This is where I got confused. Sylvia has left the estate. She is headed towards.
or ever, towards the music. But the person who gets there first is the mom, Mama Trent. And she attacks James and James, much like the photo on his wall, slices her in half with his sword and kind of like, it's so like big and it's such like a big swing that he like tips over. Can't handle that big old phallic symbol.
That's right. I'm trying to wield it. James, you need to... Can't do it. I can, but... You need to learn how to handle these. Exactly. Did you guys get dead-eye vibes from this attack scene? That was like all I could think of was when she like puts her hands up, like very dead-eye day, and she just kind of launches into the air and you have this very cartoonish swing. Now that you say it, yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it's a bummer. But in the timeline, I didn't. But yeah. So right after James slays the mom, he's talking to Angus on the phone and he's like...
I got her. It wasn't Sylvia, but I got her. It's Mary's mom, sorry. And then he's like, where'd she go? Oh man. And like her legs and her body and her legs are like two different thoughts. Like that was a cool effect. Oh yeah. But then it leaves you open-ended because you don't know if the top half of her who was still alive, if it bit him or not, because it grabs his leg and then it cuts to a different scene. And you're like, oh, the cop goes to pick up Mary.
And he's like, Hey, we got to go down to the station to identify your mom. And she's like, dude, you know what she looked like. Don't make me do this. Well, he says that great line where he says your mother, you can say she's been fatally wounded. I thought that was my favorite line. She's cut in half. See, horror comedy. Yeah, there it is. I sorry. I didn't laugh. But he says that James is. Oh, they took him down to the station, which they really didn't. Because soon we're going to find out that.
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This copper has been bit and he is and Mary will find that out. She sees the bandage, which is like she sees. She sees a bandaid on his hand, like the same bandaid that like she's wearing. It's like he must have the same exact injury as me. So I'm just going to run into the woods and try to run away.
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But so this chase ensues. Does that make sense? This chase ensues? Yeah, this ensues chase. Okay. So this chase, that sounds weird. So the cop starts chasing Mary around. It's like dumb it down. So the cop starts chasing Mary and she gets into a real pickle between an actual snake and this vampire snake creature. But who saves the day?
The bagpipes. The doctor, Dr. Ramis and his bagpipes. And oh my gosh, another great humorous moment in this horror comedy. He's like luring the fucking snake cop away and he runs out of breath from playing the bagpipe. It's so funny. It's so good. And he's like, immediately when he runs out of breath, the snake guy like attacks him.
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But he gets a but there's a pretty cool death with yes with him he see pushes the cop on to I guess he falls onto this snake Statue fucking pointy thing goes right through his eye like thing Yeah stabbing through skull fucking too. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, you get skull fucked in the end
Don't, we're not talking about the sadness Casey, it's too disgusting. Oh. Danny would love it. Yes. Oh yeah, I'm sure he would. So we're coming up on our climax here where Dr. Angus, I'm going to call him Dr. Who. Angus Ramis. Yeah. Angus Ramis, that's great. No doubt about it. Where Angus Ramis, he like...
Takes a bunch of drugs right for the he like fucking shoots up. Yeah, we don't know what it is It's a mongoose. Yeah, but we assume it's okay. It's gonna come to play later. Yeah mongoose was so cute You kind of think like it's some kind of protection. I would think But we're not sure exactly like you said and we have established earlier that mongoose are the like sworn enemy of snakes Of snakes, so he lets it loose Let's his mongoose loose He lets oh, there we go again
Um, but the mongoose doesn't last very long and it gets flung out of the room back onto him With the very blue Now she's blue Sylvia comes out with her fangs and she's very blue. Maybe that's what the tanning bed Maybe the tanning bed was actually like my god. That's literally what it is What a cool visual though when she like bites him and it's another wide angle and her face is like right up next to the lens And her teeth look even bigger
And he's like, oh, he's so far back. It looks like it's so cool. But this is where now he is paralyzed. We go to the layer of the white worm, which is just under her house. Conveniently enough. And we see Mary is tied up and Eve is also tied up hanging above this big pit. All of this is happening, right? At the same time that James is taking like some got some crew.
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some crew of like, he does have money. They're like fumigating this fucking, he's like, we're going to pump all this gas into this cave. Cause I think there's a giant worm monster in here guys. And they're like, okay. They're like, sure. Just pay us. Just pay us. We'll do whatever you want. Fucking rich people. And now back to the sacrifice where Sylvia pulls out, which we've seen prior in
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sharpest. I would probably say sturdiest strap on I have ever seen. Let me speak for yourself. But yes, I get what you're saying. But here's what confused me. She needs to sacrifice a virgin. But she's about to penetrate Eve with this strap on. I'm sure that's part of the sacrifice. It's a ritual thing because it's not a real penis.
Yeah, she's not gonna break her hymen with that. She's just gonna fucking destroy. You know what I'm saying? Gotcha. Okay. But and here's the worms coming. The worm is coming. Yeah, it is. And I don't mean that. Well, it's like a worm coming up a shaft. Yes. Oh my gosh, talk about rebirth. The worm, which used to be the penis.
is now from the opposite seed coming out of the hole. It's in it's one in its in itself. Oh my gosh. What do they call it? The or the or a boros, the snake eating its own tail. The aurora borealis. That's what it is. When you look up into the sky, you'll see it, but you have to be in Alaska. Yes. To get the best view. Yeah.
It's a snake eating itself. It's also a penis. But I know what you're talking about. Like the snake eating its tail. It's like a circle thing. It's sad. But Doctor Who is not paralyzed. Angus. Angus States. Angus Ramus is not paralyzed. Thank you for the correction. Just Angus. Doctor Ramus. Casey so fits. No, we just don't want to get people confused. Everyone knows who Angus Ramus is. Okay.
They're one in the same, much like the snake. So he is not paralyzed and he cuts off Sylvia's hand and sends her down to the white worm. Yep. Bang. Honestly, this whole I don't know why, but this whole thing felt very anticlimactic to me. Did it now. Yeah. Maybe it was just because I didn't care about the movie to begin with, but it just felt I don't know.
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I felt the climax energy. Maybe if it- I felt climax energy in this scene. Well, men, they usually get off. It's harder for the woman. Touche, that is- Touche indeed. You nailed it. Yeah, maybe it was a budget thing. Maybe if they had more money, it would have felt, because they did kind of, everything was a little bit like, oh, we're here. Well, I think it was. Yeah.
I think it was just me. I just I read that the white worm, the head of it was a Volkswagen beetle hood. Wait, really? Paint like you like the you know, the construction of it. It's like a V dub. Yeah, I can see that's true. But you can kind of you can kind of see it. Yeah. Interesting. But where did where did Angus this paleontologist this archaeologist not paleontologist?
Where did this archeologist get this hand grenade? Where did he get a hand grenade? Hi, I wonder if, would you ever need to like, break ground with a bomb if you're an archeologist? I feel like that's the last thing you wanna do. Well, I think you'd use like dynamite. Well, I mean, he's James. Him and James are buddies. James may have just given it to him. James has connections. I mean, James is very Batman-y. He also pulls it out of his crotch. Are his balls grenades? It's his little sack. He's got like a little sack.
little sack. Whoa. Oh my god. Talk about rebirth. Yeah. More like P birth.
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He's exploding onto the scene. He's exploding onto the white worm scene. Ooh. Yeah. In so many ways. Mm hmm. And so he drops the grenade down into the white worm and it is exploded. But guys, guess what? What? It's not over. Oh, my God. It's not. James and. James and Angus take a ride back to.
Jengis. It's like Brad and Angelina. Yeah. Oh, they would be like, I would love to see like another movie with the two of them. They had such good chemistry. That would be good. Mm hmm. So Jengis goes back to the cottage and there's.
There's a phone call and there is this reveal which takes a little bit too long. Totally. I think of a reveal like you kind of get the point halfway through and they're not even there yet. A lot of setup that his antidote serum is not what he thinks it is because they accidentally switched it. And yes, someone's going to be charged with negligence. And they're just like, whoops, we gave you the wrong thing.
Sorry, sorry. Hopefully you didn't get bitten by a snake since we gave this to you. But I think because the stuff that he has that he actually got was to deal with arthritis. Yeah. So I think that's why he didn't get paralyzed when he was bitten. Because it woke his bones up. He did get paralyzed. But like it didn't like last, I guess. Yeah. Because he snapped out of it.
Yeah, maybe there was definitely a writers room meeting with like, what would get you up there? Like, well, arthritis, if you have arthritis, it hurts to move. And if you have arthritis medication, it doesn't hurt to move. How about arthritis? Yeah. Needle. And so we find out that his bite may have been more venomous than he thought it was. Yeah. And in a very fun, like, I want to say kind of a Twilight Zone movie ending. Yeah.
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They're in the car and James has that great line where he's like, do you mind if we stop for a bite before we get there? And he's like, sure. And he's like, why not? And then it's, yeah. Oh man. What a cool ending. Great movie. I know I'm conflicted on the ending because like you said, they make such a good pair. I want to see them like go on adventures together. But on the other hand, you would miss out on that great little twist.
Well, I read somewhere and I don't know this is just someone's opinion but that the because the worm was destroyed and like the curse Was broken or whatever that the venom didn't take Oh No lame but I Don't know because Angus looks hungry. He looks like he's like yes. He does the second. He knows he was bit He's like I may as well lean into it, right? right Okay. Yeah, I like that a lot better
Yeah. But you know, all you need is if you wanted to do a sequel with them, you just have like one little thing where there's the opening scene is like picking up right where we left off, there's a battle between them and James gets the upper hand and is able to fix him. And then the movie is about them kind of dealing with the aftermath. There's always a way out. Yeah. So that is the layer of the white worm. Yes it is.
Do you guys want to talk about our favorite reveals in the layer of the white worm?
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I don't see anything anyway! That's how they get you. They're under the goddamn ground.
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So this is what I have for our reveals. I've got the first time that we see Lady Sylvia spitting on the crucifix and we see her teeth, right? I guess partially you could say when she's sucking on the long leg of the law and she doesn't spit out the venom. It's suggestive, maybe not so much a reveal. Yeah, yeah. So I'm gonna stick with her spitting on the crucifix. Not as flashy as I would have liked it.
the first reveal to be, but still. I would say when Eve touches the spit on the crucifix and sees all the visions for the first time. Yeah. Cause then we're seeing like the snake or the worm on the cross and all that stuff. We also see that this thing has like powers. So it's like established. Mm-hmm. Yeah. The hot tub hitchhiker slash hot tub boy scout slash. Hot tub hitchhiker. Got me all horned up. Hot tub 23 year old. Yep.
Eve's phone call because that's when she snaps out of it and then we get another reveal of Sylvia in the tanning bed with her teeth. Mary and Eve's mom, Mama Mary Trent, Mama Trent in the estate watching TV. And then the titular white worm, I would say.
Oh no, when Sylvia comes out. Oh my gosh. Okay. Hold on. Okay. We can add to something people. Mama Mary Trent. And then we have the police officer who is revealed to Mary to be a snake vampire thing. We have the reveal of Sylvia to
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Dr. Angus Ramus, because he had never seen Sylvia as the snake before. Oh, that's right. As the vampire before. So to him, that's the reveal. That is the first time we see her blue, like as the full version of herself. Right. Yeah. So I'm afraid I just blew myself.
gotta be a better way to say that. And then we get the titular white worm coming out of its lair for its dinner, for its sacrificial dinner. What was your guys' favorite? I'm gonna stick with my original one. My favorite reveal was when we really first see when she spits at the crucifix, when it's like, oh, monster. Got it. We talked about how it is very like, oh, sudden. Kinda like that.
Yeah, I'm going to go with that one too, because she spits on a crucifix. Okay. I love that we're all going to pick the same one, but it's like for a different angle. Well Zach's not picking that one. I'm not going to pick the same one, Daniel. I'm going to pick the blue Sylvia when she bites Dr. Angus Ramis, mainly because of the camera work.
in that fisheye lens and she's like real just it's so disorienting and I love it. So I'm gonna go with that one because it's just a cool visual. It's gorgeous. And it's kind of a scary moment too because she comes out and you're not expecting her to be blue which throws you off and it's like what? And I don't think she's gonna get like bitten that easy.
And she's smart. She's like, she's one up to the heroes. She's anticipated their next move. You know, she's playing chess, they're playing checkers, and she's here to, you know, raise some more. That's right. Raise some more. They're playing. She's playing snakes and ladders and they're playing. They're playing shoots and ladders. She's in love.
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But okay, those earplugs like I've worn earplugs before and they don't totally you can't hear nothing. But Zach I have a question for you. Yeah, that was the issue with this movie. But I'll ask you this, have you ever worn those while listening to bagpipes? Um, no, but I think you could probably I think they would probably do even worse at bagpipes. What if that's the one thing that completely cancel out his bagpipes?
Maybe they were bagpipes. Works great on bagpipes. Yeah. I can see the package now. Alright, well now it's time for a segment that we like to call The Real Monster.
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as fast as you can. You can't catch me. I'm the gingerbread man. You're a monster. I'm not a monster. Here you are. You and the rest of that fairy tale trash poisoning my perfect world. Now tell me, where are the others? Eat me. KC, who do you have for real monster? It's Angus because- Dr. Angus Ramus? Listen, when he was quoting, when he was quote unquote,
playing those bagpipes. He wasn't even trying. Okay. He wasn't moving his fingers at all. He wasn't even making it look like he was breathing into the tube. Okay. He wasn't doing anything to make it look like he was really playing those bagpipes. So.
I didn't know you knew so much about bagpipes, but I'm impressed. I mean, it's obvious when you're playing an instrument, you know, like, I wouldn't know if you were moving, I wouldn't know if you were moving your fingers incorrectly. Yeah. But I know that you're not moving them at all. Yeah, exactly. So. All right. God damn it. Peter Capaldi, I was supporting you this whole movie. Damn it. The least you could have done. Yeah.
It's your big hero moment. Well, speaking of Dr. Angus Ramis, I too have Peter Capaldi and Dr. Who as my real monster. Fuck me then. For sharing needles. Oh. Yeah. He fucking takes his medicine, right? Yeah. And then I doubt that he brought like a bunch of different syringes, and then he gives the medicine to Mary? Or is it Eve? Eve, I think.
to stop the venom. And that seems like, OK, dude, there's no way you like switched out needles and like properly sterilized everything. So to bring this back to a thing that we talked about earlier about budget, maybe there was no budget. Maybe they wanted a scene where it's like a sequence of him cleaning the needles and like that whole process. And they just couldn't afford the time for that. Yeah, sure. Yeah. It's like a 10 minute scene, real time.
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Another phallic thing though, stabbing people. Everything is about puncturing, stabbing, entering, inserting. Everything in this movie. Good God. The VHS case of this movie was just a big penis shape. Well think about that. You gotta put the VHS into the box. Oh my gosh, into the clam shell case. Oh my God. Clam being like the vagina. Oh my gosh. Is that offensive or is that just the common term?
Jam out with your claim out. Hang out with your way. Yep. I also have James as a real monster for not using his manners. You know I'm all about manners. Zach's our politest host. If we're not using his manners in the cave when they give him tea and sandwiches and he doesn't even say thank you. Well, you know what?
And then going back to the real monster in fucking men, where she puts her fucking apple on the counter, he just leaves his sandwich in this cave. Yeah. The worm comes out and just gives it a look like, serious? I my thing was, I didn't know why they were eating sandwiches. Eve, would you fancy a sandwich? Why didn't you fucking eat before you left? Why are you waiting? Why are you eating in the cave as soon as you get there? You've never packed tea and sandwiches on a hike?
on an excapade. Yes, but they just got there. But it's true time. So I'm saying they could have eaten in the car before they walked into the fucking cave. Yeah. They had a budget for that. But it's character development. You had to see that James didn't use manners and all that stuff. That's all that was for. It's all that was. Danny, who is your real monster? I have two. I have people who play crosswords with a pen. Don't do it.
Oh, that's what they're smart. Don't be jealous. It's not smart. That's it's just you know what the words are. But but sometimes you think the word is this word and then it's not and you're like, Oh, that was good. You got me. Are they going the simple route and the obvious one or is it a twist? And my second one is the gate latch outside of the obvious thing that sticking out of the ground.
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Cause if you do not, exactly. You have to drive so perfectly. And it is so unnecessary to sticking out that much. You can't pop like it's in the center. The car fits just through the gate. But what if you're not thinking? I can pick two Fiat's in there.
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I guess if you're driving a go-kart. And I guess this is, you know, the UK, so they are known for their, what do they call them? Not Fiat's, but... Gate latches. Mini Coopers. Coopers, yeah, thank you. Mini Coopers, yeah. That's true, that's true. They are tiny cars.
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But yeah, that I was like, oh, I swear when he pulled in, I heard a 10 feet out of the ground.
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You need like a inspector gadget car where you can pick up the trash. Every time a car goes through you just see it raise and then lower. I had the same image. I was like, what's that from? But yeah, that's all I got. Alright, so that is the lair of the white worm. And that concludes our Folk Around and Find Out.
triple feature series. I had fun with this one. I had a lot of fun. This was good. I learned a lot about folklore. I did too. I hope you guys did as well. Listeners, if you have seen the layer of the white worm, the cinematic masterpiece from Ken Russell, let us know. I thought it was a masterpiece. We want to hear about it. Let us know and find us on social media. We're on Instagram,
anywhere you enjoy your getting your social media content. Where can our listeners find you to on social media? I am on Instagram at Wolf Mother Casey. Danny? Yeah, I'm on just a whole plethora of social media platforms. And my name Danny Salem. D A N Y S A L E M E. That's two M's like the candy melt in your butt. Not in your hand melt in the melt in your
layer not in your hand. Ah nice wonderful nice and you can find me on social media at Zach Winsick. Our next episode is going to be a fun holiday special. Oh yes it is. But that's it. I hope you found your way out of the Worms Lair. And thank you for joining us on our Folk Around and Find Out exploration.
And I hope you folk around and find out for yourselves that it can be a lot of fun if you just let go. Yeah, folklore is where it's at. And that's all, folks. Oh, nice. Thank you all for listening. Now go meet some monsters.