Continuing our MAD SCIENTISTS triple feature, we’re jumping ship to a private island to meet the mad Dr. Moreau and his chosen family of genetically-engineered Beast People in John Frankenheimer’s (and partially Richard Stanley’s) THE ISLAND OF DR. MOREAU, starring David Thewlis, Marlon Brando, Val Kilmer, Fairuza Balk, Temuera Morrison, Daniel Rigney, Nelson de la Rosa, Mark Dacascos, and Ron Perlman.
Continuing our MAD SCIENTISTS triple feature, we’re jumping ship to a private island to meet the mad Dr. Moreau and his chosen family of genetically-engineered Beast People in John Frankenheimer’s (and partially Richard Stanley’s) THE ISLAND OF DR. MOREAU, starring David Thewlis, Marlon Brando, Val Kilmer, Fairuza Balk, Temuera Morrison, Daniel Rigney, Nelson de la Rosa, Mark Dacascos, and Ron Perlman.
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Today we continue our Mad Scientist triple feature with John Frankenheimer and partially Richard Stanley's hybrid hellscape. The animals are human, the humans are animals, and Marlon Brando's dog complex has never been so literal. As we jump ship to a private island to meet the mad doctor, Moreau and his chosen family of genetically engineered beast people in the island of Doctor Mario Vargas.
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Welcome to how I Met Your Monster, the show where we discuss the introductions to your favorite movie, monsters. Today, the mad science continues with Marlon Brando wearing fucking weird hats and wearing sunscreen like the lady and fucking tremors. He's allergic to the sun. Yeah, that's what he says, but I think he's just fucking weird. And then Val Kilmer doing an impersonation of him wearing hats.
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Dude. We're not. We'll we'll get to that. We'll get there. He fucking hilarious. He's doing a Marlon Brando impersonation, not a Doctor Moreau, which is impersonator. Very funny when you consider the fact that apparently they did not get along and so they reportedly. Yeah. Yeah. So he was definitely making fun of them. And what's funny is when I saw the movie, I didn't know that there was a feud, right?
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So when I saw him doing it, I had I knew that there was I knew like this was a cursed movie, as they say, you know, like, like shit went down. So yeah, I did have a feeling in the back of my head, like, because I know that Marlon Brando was a problematic actor and Val Kilmer, god rest his soul, apparently had a little bit of a reputation, but like, also cosmetic.
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Yeah, not like a bad guy. Just, you know, like a little, you know, actor's talent. We all and we're all we all have our little picadillo is his ego. He had a big ego. Ego after being not an ego. But he didn't win, right? You did not have a Grammy, to my knowledge list. No. But I was like, I bet they didn't like each other.
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And then I do a little bit of research. And yeah, lo and behold, apparently that was the case. Yeah, yeah. At one point, Marlon Brando wouldn't come out of his trailer until Val Kilmer came out of his trailer. But Val Kilmer wouldn't come out of his trailer until Marlon Brando came out of his trailer. Boys. He did.
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So we're making a movie here. This is it. Like, you know, and like the coal mines, like you're living the life. So I do want to. Before we go any further in this episode, I do want to like, I don't know, almost like a disclaimer that, Danny, you had mentioned that this is like one of the most, like, disastrous film productions of like, of all time, right?
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And there's so many stories out there about what happened. So all of these things that we know that we're going to talk 100% today in this episode, we say them as just like, this is kind of what is put out there, but who knows the actual truth. Yeah. You should also point out we put it out there, we created it and manufactured this information.
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And now we're going to talk about, well, you know, a lot of this information comes from the Lost Souls documentary. And I just saw Richard Stanley on a podcast interview from like, I don't know, like a year ago. And he had mentioned that a lot of the stuff in Lost Souls, almost everybody in that film is lying to like, even just like a small degree.
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Not about like maybe not doing big things, but just like he said, he said, like, these are his words that like, everybody is selling just like a slightly off version of the truth, including himself to like, protect them. Their reputation is like, not me, though, but including himself because so many things about him. Well, right. But like that, I just wanted to like this, you know, put that out there that like, who knows?
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The actual, he says he's releasing a book that is just like, shelved, but he's. Well, I heard he was fired from. And the replacing the writer. They're getting a new writer from from the book. But, yeah. Some fucking wild stories from this, like the fact that he got fired and then snuck back on to and set in costume.
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He's an off man for the dog. Easy. It's amazing. Reveal himself into the wrap party that he's like, it's all this crazy thing. It's less crazy that he did that than it is the fact that no one knew he was doing it. You know, because it's not. A few people didn't get into a dog costume. No, they know that's true.
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But it also said that, much of the crew that was his crew was fired along with him. And so nobody, like, recognized him. Well, the extras that knew just for him, somebody else's suit. So he threw it on, like in a van or something like that. And then when they would take breaks, he would never take a suit off.
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And that's what somebody, the whoever was like giving them breaks and stuff to allow them to like, cool off and take off their gear and stuff, noticed that this one guy was never taking his mask off and he was like, he said, yeah, I went up to him and I said, hey, hey, great job you. You're doing a really great job.
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Is that dog? And he he said, thank you. And I noticed that his accent wasn't anything like anybody else's accent. That's okay. So he thought something like sitting at the table, like putting a fork in the food, but it's just the mask, so it doesn't it doesn't actually go into like there's something up with that extra. Yeah. Is mashed potatoes all over.
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His man's good. Yeah. Like, because, like, all the extras were native to. Yeah. Julia. So this movie, I had never seen it before. Danny, I think this is okay. Yeah. This was your first time, in case you seen it a handful of times or. No, I watched it for the first time, like, two months ago.
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Okay. Became obsessed with it. Had to watch it again. Well, yeah, Casey had watched it, texted us and was like, somehow I'm getting this on the show. And then, yeah, it was Casey's choice for triple feature, and she's like, by the way, we're doing a mad scientist show feature. Sean is the yeah, The Island of Doctor Moreau. Yep.
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So, Danny. Yeah, I'm sorry, I just because Danny in the first five minutes text of us. Oh right. And said, I love this movie. I just started it. I love it on the frozen minutes. I should. Yeah, that's what I so I want to know, did that change for you and it did change for you. I want to know when it shifted.
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I think when the horse lady was giving birth, you didn't like a bit of. No, I loved it. It was just jarring. So I'll just say I really enjoyed this movie quite a bit, actually. Love that we're talking about it the way that I was, kind of my anticipation, my expectations for this movie were kind of like what we're talking about.
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We knew it was cursory. I knew it was going to be crazy. I'd seen pictures of the hybrid people. I knew about the the book by, H.G. Wells, but I didn't quite I wasn't quite ready for, like, the direction it was going to take in terms of the story and the presentation of some of the stuff, which just goes like so bananas so quickly.
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So I liked the way that I liked it changed. I never disliked this movie. I was just, I when it kicked off with the opening credits and all that. When I was texting you guys, I liked it for the esthetics. I was like, oh, I'm digging this already. It's very like title sequences, very nice. It's like very, very decent.
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But it's like seven meets David Fincher. Yes, exactly. I was going to say, yeah. When it pivots into just bizarre. Yeah. I was like, oh, I love this movie for this now. So I feel like I had many different experiences with them, all of them kind of borderline spiritual, and chaotic and all occurs. Zack, did you love it?
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No. I'm sorry to say I don't. It's no tusk. It's no tusk, I'll tell you that. But just know Tusk. There was no there was no walruses. I didn't see a single walrus in this fucking movie. I expected it to be. This is. This is the Mad Walrus. Same feature there were. There was almost a dolphin, though.
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Oh, I know, and we all know, John. I think it was actually originally supposed to be sea creatures. Was there. Maybe we'll just get to. Because I feel like there's no real moment of revelation for that. We'll just say that apparently Marlon Brando had thrown out the idea that what if. Big twist, big M Night Shyamalan reveal moment.
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What if you find out at the end of the movie I'm a dolphin. He takes off his hand. It and he's actually dolphin. It got scrapped now. Yeah. So like, yeah, he takes off his hat and he's a dolphin. So does he just have like, a blowhole on the top or does he have like. Well that's another it's nothing like mouth.
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It's not like dolphins have like a thing on their head that is like, whoa, that's such a specific, well, like, design element of a dolphin. Well, yeah, but isn't that like but you know, to me, he, he fucking, like, slams his arms down to his sides like a chicken and his head, they said no right away. He didn't get to conceptualize fully.
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No. Yeah. Yeah. So I think he still played it as a dolphin. Yeah, sure. Zach, you didn't like it? No, I didn't, it was so much different than I thought it was going to be. I remember seeing the trailer a long time ago. Right off the bat, I was surprised to find out that Val Kilmer was not the protagonist.
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Yeah, because of the poster, mostly. Yeah. And then I did watch the trailer again after this movie, and I was like, oh, yeah, I guess they really don't show him that much at all. Really? In the trailer. But I was surprised by that. I thought he was going to be the protagonist. I thought that the islanders like the creatures.
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I thought it was going to be more of a mystery. I didn't realize that they were just going to be like, oh, no. They walk out there, aunt Sue, and they're like, oh, but they look so good. It's like, is that just like, that's it? You don't think so? It was Stan Winston as well. Stan Winston is funny because we've been talking so much about him.
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But yeah, I know. I was like, oh shit. It was almost like Nightbreed meant better. Fucking like better. Something else, I don't know, that's. Yeah, I'm just going to keep. This was just cut, but with genetic engineering. But, you know, like in Nightbreed, like, the monsters aren't bad guys, and they're just, like, right there. They just are, like, they're.
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There's no, they're not a big mystery. So, And I do like Nightbreed, but I was expecting this to be something totally different dynamic to cut you off. And so I was going to just kind of second you on that, because I remember when I'm jumping ahead. But when we first meet Liam, I, I was like, oh, wow.
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We're just kind of like sitting with him in the daylight, indirect light. And it was, it was it was like, it's hard to kind of maintain a sense of, you said mystery, but. Or maybe didn't use that word. I'm sorry, but like that idea of tension that comes from the and when you kind of just sit with it, it isn't as scary anymore.
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Which is fine, because horror, the genre kind of can exist in so many planes. Does that or it's scary all the time. But it did kind of stand out to me too, in that same way. Yeah. I, I don't know. I, I mean, I didn't look at it as scary either, but I think that either, like, regardless, when they show you these creatures, I think the idea is scarier, no matter what the idea of what he's doing to them.
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Oh, yeah, the idea is fucking scary and fucked up. You know, H.G. Wells wrote this book. It was published in 1896. So, you know, like, you know, me and Danny were talking, off camera here, and it's like 100 years. It was 100 years. I mean, they made a version in, like, the seven 60s. Yeah, like 6 or 7.
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So this was like 100 years after the novel was published, but definitely ahead of its time in terms of talking about, like, science and eugenics, like the eugenicists with, like, Nazis and fucking Josef Mengele and all the fucking experiments they would do. It's just super fucked up. And so the fact that he wrote this like 30 years before any of that shit happened is wild.
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So, yeah, the idea of what he's doing is, is scary and like, playing God and mixing all this stuff. And the original director, writer, director, Richard Stanley, he did say that he was his original vision of this was Moore was definitely rated R. There was more violence, there was more sex. And he compared his vision almost to like full Cheese Zombie, where it's just like fucking gross out fucking gags.
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So that would have been cool to see. Oh, but after he got fired, they brought on John Frankenheimer and, who's the who was their writer that he brought on? Ron Hutchinson. And they basically rewrote the script and had to set that aside because everything that fucking Stanley shot and they were already shooting it, though. Yeah. Like some mind blowing to me.
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Yeah. Have you guys seen the concept art Richard Stanley's concept. I saw a little bit of it. Yeah. Google it right now. It's the I want prints of this shit. It is the some of the coolest shit I've ever seen. Oh that's cool. Oh yeah. That's really cool. I see a picture of fucking who I would assume is Doctor Moreau holding a bloody baby with a bunch of scientists seals close to what we do get in the movie.
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But no, there's, like the one where he's like Jesus, and they're they're carrying him like he's being crucified. Oh, I see, yeah, yeah. That's cool. So yeah, I definitely would have liked to see a darker version of this. And on top of it, you know, like Val Kilmer thinking he was the protagonist and then finding out he's not.
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He was just like, I was like, dude. Like he's just fucking phoning this in. Like, I love Val Kilmer. I love his movies. But I was like, this kind of sucks. He opened in there, right? And then like afterwards. And I went and found out all this stuff about the production. I was like, oh, I totally yeah, you can see that on camera 100%.
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It is a bummer because the movie is weird and their performances are they are phoned in, but there is like a weirdness to it. It is. It feels a little like off. Everything feels a little off. So if they had kind of just leaned into it a little more, the movie could have been a little bit more deliberately kind of wacky, right?
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From like, I don't know, I guess. Brant, I don't know. This is the thing I like. Then I'm thinking of like all the stories I hear about Marlon Brando in this movie, he doesn't seem totally removed from the movie. He does feel like he's actually giving a performance, which is weird. You know, they said that he had a.
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Yeah, they were just feeding him lines through an earpiece throughout the movie. But it's not like I mean, I've, you know, we've all seen, like, really shitty performances before in a movie. I loved his performance, doesn't I thought that it's hilarious. Had. Yeah. Like, I don't actually hate it. I think it's funny too. It's funny. You know?
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I mean, that's probably why he's so revered as, like, an actor, even, like, he's a fucking piece of shit. Yeah. As a human, you know, that's probably why people are still like, man, he's a fucking good actor, though he can not give a shit. And everybody doesn't even fucking say his lines. He doesn't even learn his lines. And they're like, yeah, yeah.
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If only he hadn't been such a piece of shit in real life. Like he could have been somebody, you know, he could have been. He could have been a contender, you know what I mean? Yeah. So do you guys know who was originally supposed to play Montgomery? It was James Woods. Yeah. Oh, wait. No it's not. Oh, no no no.
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Are you thinking of who was supposed to play Douglas? Yes. Yeah, it was Bruce Willis. Bruce Willis. Yeah, but which was the Smiths versus the goose. Yeah. So Bruce left because of his divorce to Demi Moore. Yeah. And the reason Val Kilmer, one of the reasons Val Kilmer fucking went off the fucking deep end is because he found out he was getting divorced on TV.
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Oh. He found out his wife was filing for divorce, and he found it all out through fucking TV. That's horrible. Well, Val Kilmer was supposed to be Doctor Morrow or. No, but I was. I was supposed to be. He was. Val Kilmer was supposed to be Douglas after Bruce Willis dropped out. Right. And then he finished that much?
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All this shit. Yeah. And so he didn't want to shoot that much. So he went to the role of Montgomery. Yeah. And then they brought in, David Thewlis, who I love. I know it's tough because, Yeah. Right. I'm going to go that I was going to mention, like, I don't like the way he talks. Oh I do.
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So he talks about this. Hey, I don't even want to bring up Harry Potter because of all the J.K. Rowling nonsense. Well, you can't bring up a movie about hybrid animal people. And then David Thewlis and not talk about Professor Lupine. Truly. I mean, I realize he was Professor Lupine. He's aware. Defense against the. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I was thinking I was like a defense against the dark arts.
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He's literally a fucking human hybrid. Yeah, he's a werewolf. And I like cool things so much more in that movie in Harry Potter. Yeah, yeah. And another thing, Val Kilmer was also in a movie where he turned into, like, a warthog pig thing in you. So, you know, there's that one islander towards the end who's got, like, the machine gun, and he's making, like, a warthog.
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Yeah, of course, the work guy, because he got, Val Kilmer turned into one of those, just like ten years previous in. This a joke that. Oh, it's not a joke. You guys ever seen that fucking masterpiece that is Willow? Oh, my God, how did I not remember that? Mad Mart again. Mad Mart again. And the witch turns the whole camp?
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Yeah, and the pigs. And he's like, he's like, squealing and he's got the fucking teeth. And then. Yeah, great callback dude. So you got that and you got fucking lupine and you put him in fucking Doctor Moreau, like in a while. And Brando played, hybrid animal in The Godfather. He was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, meatball half human, half, meatball.
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Half human, half meatball. Oh my God. Yeah. Well, that's what he put in. You know, a lot of it. I was they think he put cotton balls in his meatballs. It was Italian. If you watch closely, every now and then, you kind of see him like chewing, like in the back. All I eat, like some of the meat slips out.
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He, like, swallows. He's just fucking spitting meatball everywhere. But I want to make it. I he can't refuse. Yeah. And Brando, he was the one that came up with all the outfits, which I do think the fucking sunscreen and the white and the umbrella and the fucking like, popemobile thing. That's cool. It's like it's it's. Yeah, that's a cool vision.
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Funny. Like, I don't want to look at it, but it works for the movie. Yeah. It's like upsetting because I don't know, there's, there's this otherness about this movie that is just kind of like so deeply embedded in its DNA. So he definitely he gets it in a weird way. I don't know, there's this weird, like, everything you hear about what he did on this movie feels like he's trying to sabotage it.
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But at the same time, he is kind of fueling it a little bit and giving it kind of making it enhancing what it already is. Yeah. Leaning into the weirdness, because without Richard Stanley, I mean, we don't know what it would have been if Marlon Brando wasn't bonkers either. You know? I mean, it could have been really boring, you know?
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So, yeah, maybe. Well, Brando was the one that was. He vouched for Richard Stanley, and he's like, I'm not going to do it without him. And version did two. Oh, she threatened to cut her heart out with a sushi knife, but she she threatened to cut her heart out with a sushi knife. I don't even really know.
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I mean, what the fuck is a sushi knife? I don't know, isn't a sushi knife just chopsticks? Yeah. No, no, that's not the only thing. Sorry, I know, and I have sushi. Yeah. Okay. Well, are you guys ready to head to the Island of Doctor Moreau? I don't know what else to say. Absolutely. I really don't think we have a choice.
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I think you're being dragged there. The fucking inside the fucking, life raft at the beginning. Who? He was, like, fighting with people. I thought the one dude was Val Kilmer. Me too. And I was like, oh, wait, that's so killed. I was like, well, he's still extreme to die in this scene because he's I know he's in the movie.
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Yeah. I was like, how is he going to come back? Like, how is this going to like, did he survive and like swim away? I was like, wait a second, he's a shark. He's a dolphin. He's the dog. He's the dog. He's you're the dog. I thought you said you were the dog. Oh, I thought you said you're the dolphin.
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No, I'm a spider. Wait, someone do that scene from Goodfellas. But spider is actually a spider hybrid in that scene, and he just shoots one of his legs. He's like, he's got eight legs. It's no big deal to me. Legs. How many legs and hybrids got over there? To get that reference, listen to our mimic episode.
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Oh, I've never I've never buried a spider. You know, it's hilarious. I don't get the reference, and I don't even know it when I. 30 times. Yes. I have no fucking idea. Sorry, Daisy. I think, it's okay. The eight legged hot dog kid was the one that I don't. I didn't know that. That's what sparked, hot dog talk with the boys.
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Yeah, maybe, like, is one of my favorite episodes we know with that dude hot. Don't talk with the boys. Came a long, long before mimic hot Dog. So I don't talk with the boys. Was at least two years ago. Oh, it's hard to, like, talk with the boys. Started with you talking about having a fucking hot dog at a church parking lot.
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Me, Zach. Budweiser. Yeah, yeah. Oh, because. Because a church down the street from me. So I was giving out free hot dog. Yeah. I did not have a hot dog in the church parking lot. I don't go to church or eat hot dogs. The other day there was a flier and they were doing a apparently my neighbor, a neighborhood close by to us does this like epic they've been doing for 45 years this epic, garage sale tax or whatever, wherever you are, whatever they call them.
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And it goes, like, forever. And it just so happens to cross paths with this church. And as I was walking down the church or walking down the block, I was complaining to Cody. I was like, I haven't eaten all day. I'm getting cranky, I'm getting all angry, and I smell God hands. You know, I smell them and I him.
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You can hear them sizzling and I a church was cooking hot dogs. Ryan Quinn got one. I took one bite of it, and I looked at Cody. I was like, this is the most disgusting how I have ever eaten. And I walked around this massive garage sale like marathon parade thing that they were throwing, holding this hot dog, looking for a garbage which was non-existent.
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So I was just holding a happy and hot dog throughout this whole it was a disaster. Yeah, I you would you would have remembered Casey's reaction and she says, not going to eat a fucking hot dog from a church fucking parking lot. That would have saved you a lot if I could. Time did it. Yeah, I really like that one up.
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You want to take my wisdom? Yeah. I like what would Casey do in this situation? And that, my friends, has been the hot dog talk with the boys, with the boys, with the boys. The boys. All right, let's fall out of a plane, I guess, and absorb a life raft and get picked up by another boat and fucking get kicked off the boat.
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If we don't want to get fucking playful with the captain. That was fucking what that was all about. Let's do all that. And, crazy. Get on the fucking island. Oh, yeah.
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And.
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You.
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Okay, so for the Island of Doctor Moreau, we have five official reveals. And, Casey, as we mentioned earlier, you picked this for our Mad Scientist triple feature. Could you go ahead and read the description? The description? No. The synopsis. How would you describe this? Okay, describe it. So, ten words or less. The, the IMDb synopsis might be the worst one.
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These. Oh, okay. I'm excited. Let's see it. After being rescued and brought to an island, a man discovers that its inhabitants are experimental animals being turned into strange looking humans. All the work of a visionary doctor that's truly not astro. Okay, the animals are being turned into strange looking humans. I would yeah, I'd push back on that a little bit.
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Yeah. Who's writing this? I feel like someone just like anyone heard about it. Yeah, it was like, what would it be? Yeah. Okay. Well, all right, we're going to talk about that. It's it's it's they're the essence of the movie is in that. Yeah. But it's not. They didn't quite make it. Yeah.
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And we've got five. We've got five reveals. So our first one, you know, we've talked about, Edward Douglas, who is our protagonist. He gets on this island. Bunch of shit happens. He's locked into his bedroom by Montgomery, who is played by Val Kilmer. And, he breaks out and he goes, like, searching through this island, and he comes up to this laboratory.
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Laboratory? If he hears these noises, too. Oh, okay. We hear the noise levels in the night, and they're not quite, you know, maybe you haven't been on this particular island. You don't know what kind of animals are, you know, but, yeah. Hears these sounds, in in the wild, which kind of sets up some of the strangeness we're about to witness.
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Yeah. And he sneaks in and there's, like, a bunch of animals in cages that are like, just like hybrid animals themselves. Not like people, but like, there's, like a leopard that's like half leopard, half cheetah or something like that. And then you get to what's happening at the center of this fucking lab, and it's someone giving birth, someone with an asterisk.
00:28:02:14 - 00:28:26:19
And as you get closer, this creature has hooves. And it's like, I don't know if it's neighing like a horse. Maybe I don't. Maybe I made that up, but it's got like, fucking a bunch of nipples of nipples and fucking hairy hooves, and it's just like hairy hooves. It's got hairy herbs and then it's got a fucking bloody baby that comes out and it's several breasts.
00:28:26:21 - 00:28:47:04
Yeah, I know Danny. Doesn't that just disgust you? He's like fucking I don't even, I don't even do that. That's that's for breasts too many in my opinion. It's like a horse. It's like a horse person with like four horse cocks.
00:28:47:06 - 00:29:12:06
Danny would like what those are like. They're like they have multiple nipples, but also the males have multiple dicks. Yeah, just dragging them around. But yeah, it's like they're like, pull out this baby. And it's kind of just like it's pulling something strange about it. Something strange. And the doctors are not happy about this. So right away we realize that they are quite hostile.
00:29:12:07 - 00:29:36:07
Right? And then, like, he busts, Douglas busts out of the lab, and then he comes face to face with these other people who are like human animal things. And then we're like, just like, fully in it because now he's running away. What's what's, the girl's name is Aisa. Aisa. She links up with him and she's like, hey, I can get you off this island.
00:29:36:09 - 00:30:02:16
She link. That's for Isabelle. She links links like a cat links. Oh, shit. Oh, dude, I meant to do that. I really did you notice early in the movie that when. Yeah, when they're introduced, Val Kilmer says she's a pussy cat. Right. Oh, yeah. Okay. Anyway, foreshadowing. Really fun setup. When we get to the payoff, I'm not sure there was supposed to be more.
00:30:02:16 - 00:30:22:10
Yeah. Was there okay. It was supposed to be a sex scene. Okay. Oh, and she was supposed to be changing while they were having sex, and she was supposed to be like. Oh, like he was supposed to be, like, sucking on her titties and then moved down to more titties. That would. And then fuck, there was going to be a second scene where you, as the audience, are revealed to a character with lots of.
00:30:22:11 - 00:30:43:15
Yes, and then her body hair starts, like her pubes start growing all over her body. That's what Richard Stanley wanted. Oh, dude, that would have been fucking cool. So she doesn't have cat at her body. It's just like, here's what's on your face, Danny. It's a fucking pubes. What's your beard? Same. Just, you know, this isn't the same as my dick.
00:30:43:15 - 00:31:06:21
Yeah. Yes it is, Bud. It's quite different. Yeah, that is not. That is so that's different. It's for sure different. I mean, I think technically the hair on your face is pubic hair. You know, when there's, when there's weird curly hairs around. I can't tell if they're pubes or beard hair. So, Casey, when I first fucking met you, you were cleaning the fucking bathroom at a gas station.
00:31:06:23 - 00:31:28:15
Yeah. And you said. You said, why is there always. Would you say I'm pubis riser? I always pube, and you call them. Rats. They're always fucking pubes on the toilet. Yeah. Amanda, I didn't meet you while you were cleaning the bathroom, but, I just I was toilet, and you came in the bathroom and you're like, hey, I'm Zach.
00:31:28:18 - 00:31:47:19
Excuse me, ma'am, can you help me? I'm cleaning pubic hair off this toilet. You got to give me a second. I don't know why you both had, like, deep southern accent. Scuse me, man, you mind if I drop some of my pubes on that toilet real quick? When I first met you, you were clean, sir.
00:31:47:21 - 00:32:09:20
The pubes. I'm trying to use the bathroom, sir. Throughout few weeks. Jesus. Where were we? Okay. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, that would have been fucking cool if there was a scene like that. Yeah. I really wanted to see fucking Richard Stanley's full version of this. That would have been, like, just more violent. Because we want the Stanley Cup.
00:32:09:22 - 00:32:34:16
We want the Stanley Cup, which has to be. Damn right. Yeah, yeah, that's actually be shot. Yeah. This production was scheduled for, like five weeks or something, and they went for six months. That's just bananas. Insane. Yeah. And all the costumes of all these islanders, all these hybrid people were fitted for those actors. So they couldn't, like, lay people off and then, like, hire new people when I think like they had to keep the people.
00:32:34:18 - 00:32:55:07
I think he originally only had like ten. Oh, really? Extras. Yeah. Okay. Then they hired like 100. Jesus can watch. Which like I totally get there is like, the visual impact of of, like, being surrounded by more of a horde. But you could also lean into the intimacy of it, kind of focusing on the personality of these.
00:32:55:09 - 00:33:22:07
Yeah, sure. Creature. So there isn't always better. Yeah. He originally, like when he started his budget was $5 million. You crank up to 40. Yeah. And that's pretty low even in 96. Well, right. But they. But that was like before they had Val Kilmer and, and Martin Brando and stuff, you know. Yeah. And Brando wasn't, didn't show up because of his what happened to his daughter.
00:33:22:09 - 00:33:39:20
And so he just like, was he just like disappeared. And so Val Kilmer was like, the only thing holding the budget together was his presence. And then him and Stanley didn't get along. And so then they're like, well, we can't get rid of Kilmer because that's the thing. So we they're shut down production or we find a new director.
00:33:39:22 - 00:34:03:23
And then they were like, Richard Stanley, see you. Yeah. But apparently, apparently, according to Richard Stanley, him and Val Kilmer, at the wrap party, made up, Val Kilmer was like, hey, I guess he apologized and he had publicly come out later. Yeah, in years later saying that, like, he fucked up this movie. Like, a lot of it was his fault, and he regrets it and all that stuff, so.
00:34:04:01 - 00:34:24:07
Well, shit happens. And, yeah, you know, you had mentioned about his kind of personal affairs, right? Acting, which I know, you know, like, it's hard to blame him because, like, yeah, you know, the personal stuff and then, like, you were fucking Batman. Yeah. You know, I mean, you were like the hot star of the time, so, like, that's got to get to your head, you know what I mean?
00:34:24:07 - 00:34:49:19
And it's 100%, man. And it sucks that, like, movies are just, like, forever, you know? So, like, oh, yeah, I can't find. Yeah, exactly. So. Well, speaking of states of mind, let's go to our second reveal. Doctor Moreau the Ride, the titular Doctor Moreau riding in on his little Ifucking. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought it was pretty cool.
00:34:49:19 - 00:35:09:12
I like, I like that I like that visual. And he's got his, his, like, necklace that he can, like, press the button and they all fucking shout like a dog whistle, basically. Yeah. Or shot caller. Yeah, yeah, he definitely I will give Brando. We kind of already said that so I won't I won't go deeper. Brando does have quite a presence you know.
00:35:09:14 - 00:35:28:08
Oh of course. So it is hard to ignore that. Like when he shows up as like, silly as he might seem in moments, I don't know, it doesn't feel like, it doesn't feel like a wasted opportunity to have him, you know, they did spend all this money on him. And I get it that that kind of maybe, messed with the budget a bit.
00:35:28:08 - 00:35:55:15
But I do think, weirdly enough, it kind of paid off so. Well, you. Oh, go ahead, Casey, I have a question. I'll come back to it. I don't know what the original character was supposed to be like, but if you think about, a man who is, doing this and trying to, like, splice genes of animals and humans and thinks that he's going to make some perfect human animal hybrid that isn't violent somehow, which doesn't make any sense.
00:35:55:17 - 00:36:14:13
Can he just come off like a grounded human being? You know what I mean? Yeah. Right. So, like, he would be nutty, right? Yeah. He does literally think quite mad. Yeah, exactly. Like there's even moments where he shows humanity. Like there is a, there are like these little moments where he seems tender and genuine and then he kind of offsets it.
00:36:14:13 - 00:36:37:22
And that's what makes him seem even more insane. Right? Because he's just not quite there. He's doesn't really off. He's not off the deep end to the point that he's can't talk to him, which is almost scarier, but he still somehow doesn't understand what he's doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He thinks that like all that. Like, I think he truly, genuinely thinks that, like, all these things are his children.
00:36:37:22 - 00:37:02:04
And like, he loves them, right? Right. Yeah. Right. But he needs, like he said about the animals. Like there's that's not rational. Like, what do you mean? Animals are literally wild. Yeah. So to say that like, by him, by putting that part of it into a human to make them less wild is so illogical that that in and of itself kind of reinforces the fact that he's insane.
00:37:02:06 - 00:37:28:04
Right? So is that why he was doing it was to try to make people less wild? Yeah. Yeah. Well, he talked about, I guess I didn't understand why he was doing it. I just talked about it at the dinner table. Okay. Yeah. He says he wants to create, some measurement of refinement in the human species. And how he had found the very essence of the devil and how the devil is just a tiresome collection of genes.
00:37:28:06 - 00:37:52:10
So by tweaking those genes with animal DNA in perfect, the human. See, that's so fucked up, it doesn't make sense. It's so crazy. Yeah. And at the very beginning, when. When Edward Douglas is on that raft with those men, he even says they fought like beasts, not people. Which implies that, like, beasts are worse. I don't, you know what I'm saying?
00:37:52:10 - 00:38:22:01
Yeah. Like everything in this movie kind of keeps reinforcing how wrong Doctor Moreau is. Because like, even the way and I'm jumping way to the end. But when Douglas outsmarts the hyena and gets them to like kind of all turn on each other, then what he does is human. It's, it's right. He's, he's being, clever, which for all intents and purposes, animals are not, you know, in like this in this regard.
00:38:22:01 - 00:38:45:16
Right. They're they're more instinctual. And because he reverses animal instincts to be like the alpha, right. Yeah. And and you know, so it almost like, you know, in his past life, like earlier before he became the doctor Moreau that he is now must have had some obviously like what motivated him must have been more like these personal experiences with like, bad humans.
00:38:45:18 - 00:39:13:11
And maybe it was through animals or nature that he found peace. He was bullied. Yeah. So he but he took it so literally. And maybe he was very intelligent, but that was kind of marred by obviously this, this other, mental unwillingness like. Sure. Yeah. It's crazy how convincing he is because as I was watching that scene where he does explain all of this, it's like I was struggling, so I felt stupid.
00:39:13:11 - 00:39:36:10
I was like, this doesn't make sense. And I was like, oh, that's a point that it doesn't make sense now. He just is very convinced and convincing. Yeah. So I wanted to go back and ask you, you know, I've kind of lost where exactly how you said it, but did you think that the the whole, like, white outfit and everything white, you know, did you think that was silly to me?
00:39:36:10 - 00:39:55:01
It creeped me out, like it wasn't scary, but it was just like, oh, like he just. Oh, it's unnerving. Unnerving. It's a good way to put it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, I think I because again, he's bonkers. He's a yes out of it. Yeah it was mind I think I conflate it a little bit with you know we keep talking about like the making of the movie.
00:39:55:01 - 00:40:14:04
So it's hard for me to separate that from it. So knowing Brando, what I wonder, like, where is that idea coming from? Is it coming from a genuine place of how can we enhance the character, or is it coming from a place of I'm fucking Marlon Brando, I'm over this shit. I want to make some weird choices. Yeah.
00:40:14:06 - 00:40:36:10
So I think it's kind of flavored with that. But I do, I agree. Yeah, it's etc.. All right. Well, we've been talking about Moreau for quite a bit, but his assistant, on the other hand, Montgomery, is our third reveal. This is, as we mentioned before, this is Val Kilmer's character, Montgomery. We've met him on the boat earlier.
00:40:36:10 - 00:41:04:23
He brought Douglas to the island. He killed the fucking bunny, which we should have known. He was a fucking monster. Then, thought he was a ruffian. A Russian rabbit thing. It has to mean something like, Alice in Wonderland kind of thing. I mean, maybe, but I mean, yeah, well, I think it's like purity, because later you find out that or I guess earlier, they see the the dead rabbit in the, in the woods that low my head killed.
00:41:05:00 - 00:41:32:07
And I think like that was like him reverting to his animal instincts. And the rabbit was like pure, right? It was like a white rabbit. Oh. Yeah. Because then also Montgomery has them cook him the rabbit for dinner. And Doctor Moreau is very much opposed to it. So you have this thing where, like, he's so, like, is that supposed to draw like a literal connection between the, the human instincts, like, or just or is that the animal instinct to feed?
00:41:32:09 - 00:41:55:22
You know, because Montgomery wants to eat it. But then we see, oh my hunting and eating one. So is it just and then Doctor Moreau is obviously like wants everyone to be vegetarian and death is not allowed on this island. Yeah. So maybe that's just like kind of about like instinct and how like human and man like are really you don't need to view them genetically to prove that they are similar.
00:41:55:22 - 00:42:21:19
Like they already are. The rabbits. Yeah. And in fucking Montgomery didn't even get to fucking eat. It. Took like a bite. Did you take a bite? Oh, well, he had the whole fucking platter right in front of him. He didn't quite sure it looked like a dolphin in. Oh, oh. Maybe that's why Doctorow was so upset. Because he is himself a freaking dolphin.
00:42:21:21 - 00:42:52:09
The plot is blowhole starts fucking leaking, so it's like. It's like it's here because he's crying. Like where he gets so angry, you know, like in cartoons that the steam comes in here, it comes out of his hat. Yeah. So, like, pull his head up a little bit, let some Steve-O, God. But yeah. So our third reveal is Montgomery, but it's actually when, Monroe comes in on his little fucking parade, and Montgomery, like, drags Douglas out by gunpoint and he's like.
00:42:52:11 - 00:43:12:11
Yelling at him. And then Monroe fucking makes him give him the fucking give him stuff. It's like what? Be scared. Give him the gun. He's frightened. Take it to him. It's you know it's heart. It's like Brando as Brando doing. It's hard. Yeah that's a hard. I was trying to repeat after him while I was watching the movie.
00:43:12:11 - 00:43:33:10
I was repeating his lines. I couldn't get it. Well, so he was being fed his lines by an assistant in his earpiece. And what if it was? He was feeding you the lines? Yeah, I was going to say what it was. Val Kilmer impersonating Marlon Brando, feeding him the lines.
00:43:33:12 - 00:44:06:12
That's what I like. So, Casey, you would have just been doing an impersonation of Val Kilmer. Impersonation of Marlon Brando as spoken by Marlon Brando. Precisely. Yeah. Whoa. Okay. Welcome to our island of actor icon. So, are you crazy? All right, so I guess we'll just jump to our fourth reveal. One of Doctor Mario's kids, you know, calls him all his children.
00:44:06:14 - 00:44:27:03
Is. Are they actually. Is this one actually one of his kids, or is it just like, ones that he, like, was like, you're going to be my family? I mean, I was confused in so many ways. Like this goes back to also, Mrs. Horse in the beginning, the first Mrs.. Sports. Mrs.. Horse. Tits. Yeah. Mrs.. Mrs..
00:44:27:05 - 00:44:55:05
Mrs.. Horse. Cox. Tits. Oh. So sorry, Mrs.. Horse. Characters. I guess I have questions that I a lot of my questions kind of have questions in and of themselves where I don't know if they ever explained how long this has all been going. Were these people. Yeah. They did say that he was on the island for, like 17 years.
00:44:55:07 - 00:45:23:16
So are the monsters. And I apologize to those hybrids to call them monsters. But for the sake of our podcast, were they disrespectful or or are they all like, I, where they changed into because they seem very confused, like, what are we? I think probably a mixture of both. So confusing. You know, that brings up a good point, because I think I got things backwards.
00:45:23:18 - 00:45:49:20
Like they were giving them a serum, right? So that they didn't revert to whatever or regress where they regressing back to humans, or are they regressing back to animals? All right. So I know in the book, in the H.G. Wells book there I could be wrong. And I'm sorry, but as far as I know, it's it's less about it's more tusk.
00:45:49:23 - 00:46:13:17
It's not genetic mutation. They're being changed into humans with, like, doing sound surgery. Yeah. So that's how that's that's how it happens in the movie. They're splicing genes in the movie. Right. But do they? So that's my question, though, is like you said, that because they. Oh yes. So many. But are they are they giving humans animal genes or are they giving.
00:46:13:19 - 00:46:32:14
Well I'm sure they did both. Yeah. Because we it's true. We have a it's been 17 years newborn baby. They have. So they've been doing it all. They're trying to figure out the best way to do it right using them. So they've turned humans and animals. They've turned animals into humans. They've had them burst that way. They've you know what I mean?
00:46:32:16 - 00:46:59:07
So back to my original question. Do you think that, like, Aisha and, as a Zulu is that it was our fourth reveal? Like, are they Moreau's kids? Years were actual years spent like, here's what I've gathered so they could be okay, right? They, Of course, who knows how much he's sperm he's flung around on that island thinking these things.
00:46:59:09 - 00:47:32:16
First of all, it's like shooting it. Swimming sperm, said sperm slinger. Sperm slinger. Okay. Oh. In that. Wait, is that why he's. It's that his come. Sperm slinger. He's just slinging cum all over his face. So gross. Okay, we are disgusting. So what you thinking that I. What's the difference? All right, the one thing I noticed about those quote unquote children is that they are the least animal looking and the most human out of the.
00:47:32:16 - 00:47:56:19
Okay, the creatures on the island. So there's that. Oh, Danny just had an epiphany. Oh, way, different races. Okay, so I don't know if he was experimenting. He just kept one. This is horrible way to say it, but if he, kept one of each, like. Because Malang is Asian. Yeah. As low as a low is as black or is as white.
00:47:56:21 - 00:48:25:06
Yeah. You know. Yeah. And then he's got his little helper played by his medicine. His. Yeah. Which I guess was the fucking inspiration. Oh inspiration for me. But played piano and everything. Yeah. Played by Nelson Dela Rosa, who at one point was considered the smallest person in the world. And Brando was the one that said he needs to be in every scene with me and we need to have matching outfits.
00:48:25:12 - 00:48:52:14
He was obsessed with him. Fucking well. Wow. Okay. Yeah, I just wanted to throw that there because we hadn't mentioned him yet. But yeah, it's. No, no. So, wait, I have a question. Oh, Denise. Epiphany. Okay. Yeah. You said that they were. He was kind of trying out different methods. Yeah. Create these. I would assume. And these individuals were considered his actual biological children.
00:48:52:16 - 00:49:29:17
We never really see anything with Mrs. Horse. Is she? Do you think Mrs. Horse cocked collected some of the fucking mom? Their mom? Like he's actually laying with her? No, he's laying no okay. She's sorry Neighing with her. No. Because, chicks fuck horses. It happens I know for horses I hate you guys. Although I do not think that Doctor Moreau is above bestiality whatsoever.
00:49:29:19 - 00:49:48:09
I just don't think that it would work that way. I think that he would have to fuck the animals that he's trying to. I don't think that he could fuck a horse and give birth to a cheetah kid, you know? Yeah, it'd be. That'd be pretty unstable. Yeah. So the fucking things that are coming out of our mouths, guys, I said stable, isn't it?
00:49:48:11 - 00:49:57:01
Shut up.
00:49:57:03 - 00:50:19:03
Quit whooping around. I haven't made one yet, so that was good. Quit horsing around. Super.
00:50:19:05 - 00:50:38:04
Oh, God. It was right there. It was right there. I know, it's just took a minute. Oh, my God, that's so funny. The fact, like this is right there. But also it was always, like, too obvious that, of course, like we didn't. That's none of us. There is no. Oh, I was on board with nothing. And then I know me too.
00:50:38:04 - 00:51:04:09
I was like that. That works. Oh my God. Yeah. I guess in order to really kind of understand Doctor Rowe's genetic testing and methods, it the movie isn't doing us a lot of favors. It's no, of course, could explain it. They didn't know that either. Or thinking about that. Perfect. And, you know, we've been talking a lot about the making of this.
00:51:04:09 - 00:51:28:19
This movie had three editors to try to put everything together. And there's so many scenes that feel like they're just about to keep going. And then they get cut off. And I wonder how much like they had three editors because they were like trying to fit pieces together and being like how can we make this a cohesive fucking story.
00:51:28:20 - 00:52:06:19
Dinner table scene alone could have been something super explosive and revealing. Because it starts off actually liked Brando's, monologue because it was batshit. It's one of those scenes where you realize we had already said this. I don't a dead horse, but, When we realized through that I saw the animals in this movie that we could have, like, latched to the horses, and I never thought it would be a horse.
00:52:06:21 - 00:52:30:00
But, yeah, it's like, yeah, I don't know, we're just. The movie doesn't know. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't know. No. But I think about what is making it so disturbing. Yeah, I think about that a lot, though. In sci fi movies. And like when they talk about stuff, do they know like, have they actually researched any of this shit or are they just making things up completely like, right.
00:52:30:02 - 00:52:51:15
You know what you think? Like yeah, that's the thing too is again, we're I'm coming from a place of, I don't know, like H.G. Wells by all accounts, seems like a pretty intelligent guy, but the fact that so many changes were made to the source material for this movie, rather than you have to kind of like, reconfigure.
00:52:51:17 - 00:53:16:10
How? Like his motivations in the original, like text are translated into this kind of story. You then have to start doing all this, that it was a lot of hoops had to be jump through. Yeah. And I don't even think by the end of it anyone to your point now really kind of knew what. Yeah. I would think that originally they would probably be test tube babies.
00:53:16:12 - 00:53:35:05
Well then they have the, the tanks which show like yeah yeah yeah. And then eventually once they got them to a certain point they would figure out how to insert them for gestation and stuff you know. Yeah. But but it feels like a grab bag of just different approaches, which is it's been like it's been 17 years.
00:53:35:07 - 00:53:58:08
So that's the thing is like the stuff in real like if this was real, I get that. But as a movie, you need to let the audience kind of latch on to some sense of, of a system. Well, we know that this horse has given birth, that's the thing. But then they're also in it. Like, will she actually get if she was mating?
00:53:58:09 - 00:54:26:03
Because it seemed like a human horse baby. Yeah. So then it implies that a human DNA was inserted into her. Yeah. I mean, I guess it could have been, like IVs. Yeah, of course. But whose sperm were they using? Because it's like dancing with sperm. The sperm. Sperm slinger. That is a fact about Doctor Moreau. He just I mean, when you say he slings his sperm, that's his sperms.
00:54:26:03 - 00:54:51:02
He sends it to sperm slinging. Well, all right, well, regardless of their relation to our dear Lord and Savior sperm slinger. Let's move on to our fourth reveal, which is, please, Zazzle. Oh, wait. There we are. We not there. Oh, my God, this movie is. No, this is it. But we're saying now we have to. This is why it says hello is a monster.
00:54:51:04 - 00:55:17:13
Because, lo, my earlier, had killed the cheetah. This. Who's the cheetah? Who's the cheetah? He is now put on trial, for this killing of this innocent thing. And Moreau forgives him. He's like, you're forgiven. And right when he does that. But Zillow comes up with a fucking echo at 9:00. What's the fucking thing? It's like a it's like a little metal rod comes out,
00:55:17:15 - 00:55:40:14
And Pierce. Oh, we just go like Anton Chigurh. Oh, yeah. Are we talking cattle prod? That's. Yeah. Broad. But, fucking what do you call it? Fucking helium tank. Oh. Fucking helium. Nothing. It's helium balloon tanks. You guys, I don't know what it's called, but he shoots the fucking cheetah. It's helium to the head. And, Moroz like, what the fuck are you?
00:55:40:14 - 00:56:00:10
Do it! And then he says, burn the body and get rid of it. It's like there's a low. Why do you always shoot people in the head when I forgive them? Did you guys not realize that my get Montgomery gave him that? Oh, yeah. He did okay because he said, where did you get this? And then as of a Zillow looks at Montgomery, Montgomery like kind of shakes his head like, I'm me, bro.
00:56:00:10 - 00:56:25:06
You're on your own. And Hebrew let me breath. Yeah. So they fucking torched the body. And, hyena, who, as we thought was played by Ron fucking Perlman. Still, I'm on IMDb right now as we're talking about this, and I still can't. Nope. Sorry, guys. Yeah, no, he was the fucking, Ron Perlman was like the they are of the law.
00:56:25:07 - 00:56:48:03
The sayer of the law. Yeah. Also speaking of cast, though, do you know who plays is Asolo is tomorrow Morrison who plays, Jango Fett in the oh, cool Star Wars prequels and then later is, the Boba Fett series. Awesome. Let's go. I didn't know that. But yeah, hyena finds out that they've got, like, these fucking chips in them, and he realizes that he can pull his out.
00:56:48:05 - 00:57:14:07
And so, he does. And, shit goes downhill from there. Because he is our fifth and final reveal. He runs away from Montgomery. They, like, hunt him for a minute, and then he gathers his fucking troops and goes into fucking, morose piano room, and they fucking jam out on the piano. And then, Yeah. Have a midnight snack.
00:57:14:09 - 00:57:41:17
Yeah. I actually, this was pretty scary. Yeah. This is one of my favorite scenes in the movie. Yeah, I did like, because, like, morale was like, oh, I fucking I'm scared, but I've got my fucking right zapper. And they just move in so slowly. Yeah. I didn't know where it was going because I didn't know that Moreau didn't know that Moreau was going to die so slow, so soon, because they really do.
00:57:41:17 - 00:58:10:14
I I'm not trying to be funny like the actors in these suits, which I imagine is hard to kind of show emotion. They actually made me very unnerved. Like, I really didn't know where they were leaning because they keep kind of they, they keep referring to him as farther, which the way I read it was it kept softening the blow a little bit, like there was this like respect that felt, I don't know, it was just kind of, it lessened the threat level.
00:58:10:14 - 00:58:27:22
Well, they only respected him because he was, you know, he said he was like like the law had to be put in place, like there was the law, and like, it was all just fucking pain. They didn't respect him. They just, like, feared it once his, like, pointed that out. Yeah. I was like, oh shit. Because they couldn't help themselves.
00:58:27:22 - 00:58:49:04
They kept kind of getting closer to him and they were growling and every time they was very rash and you could even. And once you started to see him feeling alarmed, I was like, oh, right about to die. So the extras did spend months learning how to, act like those animals. That's so cool. They really did a great job.
00:58:49:10 - 00:59:13:07
Yeah, they had, like, classes and stuff with a professional. It reminds me of, like, behind the scenes stuff on the planet of the apes movies. Yeah. Where they would do. I was thinking Jurassic Park, where the fucking animators had to take classes and pretend to be fucking dinosaurs. That's cool though. Yeah. I mean, yeah, like, I love when there's, like, thought like that put into oh yeah stuff.
00:59:13:07 - 00:59:38:01
So but yeah, our fifth and final reveal is Hyena Fucking Killing Moreau. All right, well, then the fucking movie's over anyway. Well, half of them saying, oh my God, that's really, that's literally the midpoint of the movie is the final reveal. Well, you know, everybody else already knows these characters besides the audience. So there's not. Yeah.
00:59:38:03 - 01:00:10:15
Right. You know. Yeah. Everything that happens after the fact, is just kind of like a fallout. It's a, it's a classic, tale of rebellion. And that's pretty much what the rest of the movie is, is kind of people kind of changing sides in allegiances. And Douglas is trying to escape, animals or, you know, kind of figuring out, like, how they're going to create this new environment, this new world, only to realize that obviously it was kind of doomed from the beginning.
01:00:10:15 - 01:00:29:18
Right? It's no matter what they what, whatever their intentions are, it's always going to be an extension of Doctor Moreau's creations, which was just, well, yeah, no, but when it's over, they don't have the fucking serum anymore. Yeah. So whatever they're like, whichever way they regress is going to. Yeah, they're all fucking, I guess, animals again. They'll go back to animals.
01:00:29:18 - 01:01:05:05
Yeah. That would have been a really interesting ending to see that the regression. Oh yeah. Fucking hyena after he fucking dismantles everything dismantles fucking demolishes everything with the fucking machine gun. Runs into the fucking burning building, runs over. Yeah. The could scream. Yeah it would. It does make me wonder though if they did regress back into being purely animals, would they still maintain like the consciousness of like what had happened?
01:01:05:07 - 01:01:29:02
That would be interesting because then you have like an animal farm situation. Oh, yeah. Where it's like these wild animals that have more of a, human understanding. Right? Has there ever been an Animal Farm adaptation movie? I don't think so. Return to the Island of Doctor Moreau, and first of all, would have to be in it because we're talking, of course.
01:01:29:04 - 01:01:48:10
Oh, yeah. In this day and age, that's the only way to get like a classic literature adaptation made is you have to, like, rebrand it as, like a sequel. It has to be happy. Yeah. It's a sequel. The. Want to talk about the 1986 version, specifically the fucking, worst production of all time. The give us money for this.
01:01:48:15 - 01:02:19:05
It's a cult classic. Okay, but people are clamoring for a, That's right. The people want to go back. The fucking, the fucking go back to the. Yeah, the fucking, producers are like, well, why didn't you say so? That's a horse of a different color. Oh, my God, how did horses take over this episode of Horses and Fucking Wizard of Oz?
01:02:19:07 - 01:02:39:20
Yeah, and then it just ends where the Douglas leaves. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. He just gets on his second, and he kind of has a little bit of a preachy monologue about how, like, we're all animals. Yeah, but he'll be back. Yeah, we'll be back with scientists and stuff in the sequel. Yeah. Which is actually an Animal Farm adaptation.
01:02:39:21 - 01:02:58:15
Yeah. And then is it assassin man or the sailor that says, no, the sayer. Yeah. Well, no, I don't know. So that's Ron Perlman, that's Ron Paul. Say yeah. Yeah. And or at the end there on the doc and he's like, yeah, he's got the biggest thing is this I still can't grapple with this. You couldn't tell when you.
01:02:58:17 - 01:03:18:20
Yeah. I mean it looks like Perlman is. No. Yeah. It's blowing my mind. No, Danny, I'm right there with you. Like, totally. I thought it was. I thought he was hyena the whole time until, like, later in the movie. But if you look at, Sayer of the law, and then you look at a picture of Ron Perlman as.
01:03:18:20 - 01:03:41:03
Yeah, beauty and the beast. Well, that's what I was saying. It's like, for some reason, I was thinking of beauty and the beast. And for some reason, I saw some, some parallel between some pearl Nemo oil of, and yeah, I don't. Yeah. No you're not I mean you're not crazy like, I I thought that too.
01:03:41:06 - 01:04:03:01
And then I was like, what the fuck? Sarah Connor. Yeah. Oh yeah. Sarah Connor is, Okay. Seeing a still of it. Yeah. That's beauty and the beast. Casey is, Of course, referring to Linda. Linda Hamilton in Beauty and the beast with Ron Perlman. The thing is, is it's the eyes, Chico, that give me Ron Perlman.
01:04:03:01 - 01:04:12:21
I'm a healer. Oh, no, it totally does. Danny, I, I to I agree with you. No, you don't understand. No.
01:04:12:23 - 01:04:18:14
And then there's fucking warthog, man. Val Kilmer,
01:04:18:16 - 01:04:39:03
Okay. Well, are you guys ready now to talk about our favorite reveals in The Island of Doctor Moreau? Yeah, I feel like I'm ready for anything after this. Not only after this movie, but after this conversation. So. Yes. Okay, let's do it. Oh.
01:04:39:05 - 01:04:54:21
Hold on. Here. I don't believe anyone get. That's how they can just. They're under this goddamn foreign.
01:04:54:23 - 01:05:14:09
Okay, so we have five official reveals for the Island of Doctor Moreau, and here they are. I will say that I was trying to come up with a funny one for fucking Montgomery, and I thought I had something earlier, and I lost it, and I didn't get it down. So Montgomery. Oh, shit. Oh, right. This is coming in.
01:05:14:11 - 01:05:20:22
Yeah. With these fucking jokes tonight. Hoofers. Yeah. Go for.
01:05:21:00 - 01:05:48:23
Coming in real hot, Danny. We take the long way around, but. Yeah. There. Yeah. My god. Okay. All right, so number one is take the scenic row. Number one is Edwin. Edwin fucking Edwin. Who's Edwin? Edwin became me. Yo. Okay. So, Okay, let's go with it. Okay. Let's go with it. Number one is Edwin McCain journeys.
01:05:49:01 - 01:06:14:11
So, Edwin McCain journeys to the equestrian Valley. So I'm sorry to interrupt. But I, I think that in the craft, there's a part where Nancy, who is played by, first of all, is lying in her bed and that song is playing. Oh, no, I way that is, I think, incredible. Yeah. Dude, is it time now? Is it time?
01:06:14:11 - 01:06:40:12
No. Could it be time? Let me check my watch. No, check my watch day. What time is it? It is time for that. Oh, wait. That your monster conspiracy theory of the week. But it's not official until you say, oh, all right, it is time for the how I Met Your Monster conspiracy theory of the week buffet ticket.
01:06:40:14 - 01:06:56:05
I'm telling you that NASA is going to the president of the United States with an airplane. No, that kind of thing. A Secret Service agent and, like, throw himself on top of the whole Vietnam War was fought over. And then Howard Hughes lost to Aristotle.
01:06:56:07 - 01:07:28:06
So dirty this year, conspiracy theory. Fairuza balk is she, is a cat person she doesn't like. She does not. There's nothing to do it. Think, the wheels are turning. Well, witches have familiars. Okay, so Fairuza Balk, she survived because we. Her death is off screen. Basically. You just see the shadow. She's. We hear a gentle meow.
01:07:28:09 - 01:07:48:19
Oh, my God. There we see the shadow of her death. And so that meow that was like a meow of pleasure. She didn't fucking die. She was. How do you. She was fucking purring. I know, I know, fucking cats. Casey. Yeah, sure. Well, listen, if Zach knows anything, he knows. Yeah, I was going to say you don't have.
01:07:48:19 - 01:08:19:19
You don't know fucking cats. I grew up with cats. I've had cats multiple times in my fucking life. And I know that if they get hung, it's not good. No, I don't I don't hurt animals. But, she survived, and she snuck on to the raft with. And now you want to fucking come? Edwin? What if the raft is, like the hot air balloon at the end of the musical cats?
01:08:19:21 - 01:08:48:03
What if Douglas and Xbox character are jellicle cats? What the fuck is a jellicle cat? Zach has never seen cats. Joke a joke, just that it's a jellicle cat. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God, I regret this conspiracy theory. Oh. Do you you literally just saw at three questions in who listened to Edwin Paints. So in the in the musical cats, they are jellicle cats.
01:08:48:03 - 01:09:08:02
There's literally no explanation as to what a joke joke go cat is. Okay. All right? It's just it's a it's just jellicle. So that's the air balloon at the end of cats. It takes them to the states. No, it doesn't take them to the States. It actually takes the cat in London. Okay. Heaven. She takes him to heaven.
01:09:08:04 - 01:09:34:07
Yeah. When witches have fucking cats, witches have black cats as familiars. And, first of all, played a fucking witch in the craft. Listening to Edwin McCain on her bed. And maybe she has her own cat. And, she said maybe. Is this all based on a fucking. Yes, I said, I think I was, that was, I think, well,
01:09:34:09 - 01:09:56:06
I'm going to take that back. It's not it's not going to work. All right. All right. That was a conspiracy theory that crashed and burned. Our first conspiracy theory that crashed the first, by the way. Yeah. It's like, what's number two on our list? Okay, so number one, we have to recap the reunion. We have to recap the recap because we got away from ourselves.
01:09:56:06 - 01:10:25:15
Number one is Edwin McCain journeys to the Equestrian Valley. Number two is Pope Monroe the 100th. And it's the 100th because the movie came out 100 years after the book was published. We just got a new pope, if that's your jam. And, yo, Pope Monroe. So, Catholicism, your jam. Let us know in the comments. Number three is, thanks to Casey, it is Montgomery country.
01:10:25:17 - 01:10:33:10
Number four, a Zillow cook, some romaine.
01:10:33:12 - 01:10:57:12
I came up with that one. Oh, my God, that took me way too long because he kills the low low. My romaine took some lemon. And then, number five, our last one is, hyena munchies. Hey, hyena munchies on Mufasa.
01:10:57:14 - 01:11:20:00
Because he's dad. Yes. I just know that that's not really wise. In fact, in Lion King. Right. But that's not really why he did it. Well, I thought Mufasa was like the fucking king, right? Wasn't he the key? Yeah. You Simba's dad? Oh, King. Father. Yeah. Okay. You find out a lot about that in the, live action Disney movie Mufasa the Lion King.
01:11:20:02 - 01:11:41:14
Two in theaters now. Here's. Now, you think, Disney Plus. Okay, so, guys, out of the five, this is a very, there's not much to choose from here. Usually we have a lot bigger lists, but out of these five, what is your favorite reveal in The Island of Doctor Moreau? I gotta go with, this is horse cock.
01:11:41:16 - 01:12:04:01
That's interesting. Okay. Me too. That was disturbing. It was pretty disturbing. And, like, again, like, going into this movie, not really knowing, like, as it played out, I was like, this is not the movie I thought it was going to be. Seeing that scene was pretty cool, and I wish more of it went like that.
01:12:04:03 - 01:12:26:00
Like it was like, I wish there was more like body horror. Yeah, yeah. You know, you see the the blood and the like. Again, if we would have seen Richard Stanley's version, like if that would have happened, I think we would have gotten a lot more violent. Movie which I was like, I feel like a missed opportunity was we talked about the idea of regression.
01:12:26:02 - 01:12:46:13
And in my mind, I immediately just kind of it seemed pretty low key. But that also could have been imagine if like the whole second half of the movie where they realize they don't have the serum, that they did regress. What if it, that in itself was kind of grotesque and on the level of like a kind of a classic body horror?
01:12:46:15 - 01:13:06:20
Yeah. Representation of these monsters could have been pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, they could have just skipped the whole, like, shooting low my yeah, like thing. And it could have just turned into them turning back into. Yeah like and more. Yeah. 100%. Yeah I mean then I think you kind of miss a big chunk of like the meaning of the book.
01:13:06:20 - 01:13:36:08
But yeah. Nobody read the book. Yeah. We're talking about Animal Farm right. Yes. Nobody was alive in 1896. They're all dead. You do whatever the fuck we want. Yeah, yeah, that I don't know. Casey, what's your favorite reveal? Is it Edwin McCain? Journey to the equestrian Valley? No, actually, my you're crying shoulder. Mine is, the Popemobile.
01:13:36:10 - 01:14:04:00
Yeah. Yeah, because it's just like, I don't know, we're meeting him. He's just so goofy, but also very unnerving. And I just love it. Yeah, and it is like, I feel like we could have used more of it, but. Yeah. You know, as troubled as this movie was and had, you know, as much as I didn't really care for it, that, him on that thing with the weight and, like, it's all very it's pretty iconic, right?
01:14:04:01 - 01:14:23:10
Yeah. So that's a good pick. Yeah, I know we we joke about it being the popemobile, but I feel like there is maybe a direct reference to it because he is cool. Yeah. Like religious figure. Yeah. I think I. Yeah. And those fucking peacock feathers on the back. Did you hear about that. Yeah. They had to go fucking catch a fucking wild peacock and pull the feathers up.
01:14:23:12 - 01:14:44:20
Okay, guys, this is why you have an art department. So you eat the feathers like you have a $40 million budget. You don't have to go running around chasing a peacock. Okay. All right, well, now it is time for a segment that we like to call the real monster.
01:14:44:22 - 01:15:13:01
Run, run, run as fast as you can. You can catch me. I'm the gingerbread man. You're a monster. I'm not a monster. Here you are. You and the rest of that fairy tale crash poisoning my perfect world. Now tell me, where are the others? Eat me. You're okay. I'm going to go first. I don't have anything good. To be honest, I've got fucking Doctor Morrow's hat like the fucking ice bucket hat.
01:15:13:07 - 01:15:39:13
That's fucking weird. But that's so smart. Yeah, it's hot, but the way he describes it, he's like, I can't even. Because the notes that I took for this movie are so dense that I'm genuinely trying to find what I had said about this. It's lost. It's complete. LOL. It's a lost. What's the name of the documentary Puzzle Fossils?
01:15:39:15 - 01:16:01:11
The lost soul of notes. And then I have, you know, you writing these real monsters again before I, knew of all the backstory of the production of this movie, my other real monster is Val Kilmer's Marlon Brando impression. Because he's not doing Doctor Moreau, he's doing Brando. And it's fucking weird. Casey, do you have any real monsters for this movie that you love so much?
01:16:01:13 - 01:16:25:06
I don't, well, of course she doesn't kiss you. Loves this movie. No, I, I don't know, there was nothing, nothing, nothing spoke to me. I guess, in that, in that way. Danny, what do you got? I got you I have, for real monsters. I have, this is kind of stupid. It's more just something that stood out to me when.
01:16:25:06 - 01:16:48:12
When Douglas is trying to shoot at the Beast man, he is basically at the opposite end of the island. There is no, like, finesse or grace in the way he was at them. It's just like meant to the hyenas. Yeah, it's like so far away and also like, he looks like he's on drugs. Yeah, it's a really bizarre.
01:16:48:14 - 01:17:08:12
The framing is weird. The motivation is strange. Yeah. Know two shots each so far away. He doesn't. It doesn't look like there's much intention behind it. What is he. Yeah. So is he trying to kill him or is he just trying to scare him away? It seems like he wants to hurt them. Yeah, yeah, but he's because. Oh, he's like.
01:17:08:12 - 01:17:29:00
Yeah. Like, because earlier in the movie he does try to scare them. He points the gun in the air. Right. So we've already kind of established that he knows how to scare them away. Yeah, it's I don't know, it just it it's such like a not it's a big moment that's also feels like a non moment that is played very oddly.
01:17:29:02 - 01:17:57:14
My second real monster is a word. It's the word law. If one more person says the word law and this movie I'm gonna fucking rip my hair out. It's a big. It's just. But it's. They just say it. This is the law. This is the law. The law, the law, the law for the law. I was like, we need a supercut.
01:17:57:16 - 01:18:20:07
If anyone can put together a supercut of the times they use the word law in this movie. I have a hyena for using his teeth to remove a Zillow's chip. When we've already established that earlier, he just used his fingers to, like, kind of just pull it out. It's like the sort it just seems. So it goes is a meme.
01:18:20:09 - 01:18:41:19
Oh, yeah. Hey, for a while, I think he was like. I think he was trying to, hurt him. Hurt him because he didn't like him. That's fine. But then once he realized that, he was like he could control him, he was like, okay, I'll fucking like. Because then later he just shoots them. That's true. Okay. So I think he was committing to or gone.
01:18:41:19 - 01:19:04:03
It's not a real monster. Yeah. My last one is just it's actually, fittingly, Doctor Moreau, because he says he's dying of heat, but he willingly lives on an island, so, like, he's he is truly mad. Yeah. Which I guess is a great way to round out this, episode in our Mad Scientist reveal feature.
01:19:04:09 - 01:19:33:13
That's right. Yeah, I actually might have a real monster. Oh. Oh, this is something that I wasn't sure about, so I think that I was only 17. Right. Did she say because he says something like she kind of acts like she's never left the island, but I thought she had. She did say that it came there, I don't remember, but I thought she said my dad came here 17 years ago.
01:19:33:13 - 01:19:55:10
Oh it's not. Yeah. Or seven. She did say that. Yeah. Oh that's upsetting. So yeah I think that my, real monster would be that she's 17. Oh, God. Okay. Well, now, our final segment. Would you survive the island tomorrow?
01:19:55:12 - 01:20:00:02
And here we go.
01:20:00:04 - 01:20:20:11
You would? I don't know, you were so confident a second ago. Because in what regard? Let's say if you were Douglas, you're on the raft. You're on the raft. He survives, and he's a fucking moron. Yeah, yeah, I probably get killed on the raft, honestly. Yeah, well, you guys know my will to live isn't that high and jump in the ocean.
01:20:20:11 - 01:20:41:00
It's fucking. Oh, girl. Surfing. God, I put my head in first. It's like a clean shot. Just like, take the head. Yeah, yeah, I would, I feel like I'd be tempted by island life just initially like. Oh, man, you're so in survivor, Danny. You'd be like, oh, yeah, that's the thing. Yeah. I'd be like, if you like, what's he doing?
01:20:41:00 - 01:21:01:21
I'm like, I'm cracking open a Coke. And I'd be like, I'm like, I've been training for this. Yeah, I'm so prepared. But what I wouldn't have been prepared for was the, the hybrids. Yeah. Animal. The genetic mutations. Yeah. I also think horse liver enough. Yeah. Hell, the the horse press would really throw me for a loop horse or swim.
01:21:01:21 - 01:21:29:12
Then I would just kind of fall, victim to the the the insanity of Doctor Moreau. Yeah, but, I don't know if I would be clever enough to outsmart them. I think I'd be overwhelmed. I think that's that feeling of being overwhelmed by animal human hybrids. Would never, like, decrease. Yeah. I would just always be at this heightened state of like, oh, my God, these are masters.
01:21:29:12 - 01:21:59:00
Yeah. With machine guns enabling everyone. Edwin fucking what's his fucking famous Edward Douglas Edward Douglas. Yes. Two names. Bridge Douglas and I could hit another one of them. Okay. Lupine. Lupine, lupine. Just fucking like, accepts it. And he's just like, you know him and, like, the other dude there, it's like, he's, like, trying to get them to fix the radio, and he's just like, sitting there, just, like, chilling at the fucking desk, talking to this fucking monkey boy.
01:21:59:00 - 01:22:29:11
Like it's fucking. And did you notice when he was in that scene when Montgomery comes in and he, like, fucking puts his headphones on these all drunk? Whatever. Fucking Douglas is holding the fucking gun. Gun up to his head like this? Yes. Like with the barrel pointed at his head. It's just like, not like saying, oh, I'm going to shoot, but just like he's just, like, chilling on this I can table, but that's like, goes back to the thing that Danny was saying about like not having intention when he was shooting them.
01:22:29:11 - 01:22:46:02
He, he looked like he was on drugs. Yeah. And that's kind of the same thing when he was doing that, he looked like and I'm not saying he was on drugs, but I think maybe he was just so checked out. Sure. You know, that would have been a fun reveal to find out. Like he didn't even really because okay, I do have one more question.
01:22:46:04 - 01:23:06:18
He when he's in the lab, he starts to have flashbacks to when he was being operated on, and he finds a scar on his arm. Yeah. When did that happen? Do we know? Do I miss something? Well, that's when the. As far as I know. Well, I don't think we see it, but Montgomery gives him a shot when he's on the boat and he's like, what did you give me?
01:23:06:18 - 01:23:27:06
And he's like, you're going to love it. And he. I think you like passes out. Yeah. And then, you know, I think some days had passed till they get to the island and it must have happened in there probably when he was in this state of okay, okay, whatever. But yeah. Okay. Well fucking that's it. We did it.
01:23:27:07 - 01:23:48:09
I went to Doctor Moreau is, I'm sorry. Zach. Then the horse bucket, I don't know, I don't know if I can always like it this, but I wanted to say one more horse thing. Yeah. No, I'm glad I finally saw it. You know, like I said, I had been interested in seeing it for years, like, since I remember watching the trailer as a kid, and I just never saw it.
01:23:48:11 - 01:24:06:20
So I'm glad I finally saw it. It was definitely different than I thought it was going to be, which was a little disappointing, but, I'm glad. Really. I'm more interested in the fucking stories of, like, the making and all the fucking. Yeah shit that that happened. It makes it so much more interesting that be like that.
01:24:06:20 - 01:24:31:21
They fucking put this movie out even, because you would think if you get so far into it that you would just cut your losses and be like, okay, we're done. But I don't know. But as, listeners may know, unless you're a new listener and you don't know, every Halloween we release our monster ranking of the year, where we rank all the monsters that we've met over the year.
01:24:31:23 - 01:24:56:04
It is kind of. It's a little disappointing just to know that this movie will be number one already. It's kind of like a spoiler by default. Yeah. Earlier, Zach called all of the, the hybrid, the mutants. He called them Islanders, and I had flashbacks. Yeah, it's. Oh, yeah. What about we just, Should we sneak in?
01:24:56:06 - 01:25:21:10
What the fuck is his name? Sinbad's character in that movie. Should we just by default, put him in every. Yeah, every year just to see what it is? Yeah. I know when they get to the island, they're, like, pulling stuff off of the boat and Douglas says, oh, you need help with the rest? And Montgomery's like, no, the others will get it or something.
01:25:21:10 - 01:25:33:11
And he's like, oh, like the Islanders and fucking Montgomery. Like, real quick and gives him this dirty look and he, like, mocks him. He's like, yeah, the Islanders.
01:25:33:13 - 01:25:55:13
It's like like he just is supposed to know that this island is full of genetically tainted animals. Oh, shit. Like you're already, like, making fun of this dude that you just met. But, okay, that is the Island of Doctor Moreau, number two in our Mad scientist triple feature. Yeah. Danny. What's next? What do we read? So this triple feature with.
01:25:55:15 - 01:26:19:01
We're gonna round it out with, yet another doctor. But instead of being on an island, we'll be in a cabinet. The opposite of heightening. Ending in the cupboard is that we're gonna be in the covert. Yeah. No, we'll be doing The Cabinet of Doctor Caligari. Okay. Wait. Excited about. It'll be our. We've mentioned this before, but I'll mention it again.
01:26:19:01 - 01:26:36:10
It'll be the oldest movie we've ever done, and it'll be the first silent film we've ever covered on the podcast. Yeah, it's pretty cool. It's going to be interesting and, what will it be? I mean, it's silent. Is it the first non-English movie we've done? Which would be crazy. If that is the case, we need to rectify that.
01:26:36:12 - 01:27:03:00
No, I want to say, oh, we did Funny games, but we did the American version of Funny Games. I guess Chronos is like half and half. Oh, yeah. Okay. Wasn't isn't fully which starred, Ron Perlman, not Einstein. And, it it, yeah, we'll have to do some more, because we've, I mean, there's so many good movies just throughout.
01:27:03:01 - 01:27:22:19
I mean, we could do a whole triple feature kind of just celebrating, like. Yeah, like non English. But I feel like we could also. We could, we could do better. We're gonna we're gonna mix it. Yeah. But yeah, really excited about that. I feel like it's a neat way to, round up this triple feature, because the first two we've done have been more kind of body horror.
01:27:22:23 - 01:27:47:12
This one's a little bit more, kind of cerebral is the right word, but, okay. Yeah. Okay. With your head kind of thing. Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. Well, perfect. I am excited for that. Make sure to tune back in to check out The Cabinet of Doctor Caligari. Follow us on all your social media platforms minus X, because they fucking suck.
01:27:47:14 - 01:28:11:07
And where can our listeners find you guys on social media? I am on Instagram at Wolf Mother Casey. Nice. Danny. I'm also on Instagram, also on blue Sky. My name Danny Selim, that's Deanna NY Saleem. Me too. EMS like the candy melt in your butt, not in your hands. Wonderful. I didn't know that. You didn't know that.
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That's what to do after all these years. And you can find me on social media specifically if anytime you see me like this in a million days. But someday. Yeah. All right, well, you know, you. Yeah. Okay. That's it. Thank you all for listening. Now, go meet some monsters.