We kick off our IN DA KLERB WE ALL MONSTERS triple feature with Peter Jackson’s con job comedy from beyond the grave. The reaper is reaping, the grievers are weeping, and it turns out the portal to Hell is a giant butthole with the head of a demonic snake as we stage our next haunted house to make some quick cash, only to end up meeting the supernatural serial killer Johnny Bartlett — and his secret partner in crime — in… THE FRIGHTENERS.
We kick off our IN DA KLERB WE ALL MONSTERS triple feature with Peter Jackson’s con job comedy from beyond the grave. The reaper is reaping, the grievers are weeping, and it turns out the portal to Hell is a giant butthole with the head of a demonic snake as we stage our next haunted house to make some quick cash, only to end up meeting the supernatural serial killer Johnny Bartlett — and his secret partner in crime — in… THE FRIGHTENERS. Starring Michael J. Fox, Trini Alvarado, Peter Dobson, John Astin, Jeffrey Combs, Dee Wallace, Jake Busey, Chi McBride, Jim Fyfe, Troy Evans, and R. Lee Ermey.
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Today we kick off our declared We All Monsters triple feature with Peter Jackson's Con job comedy from beyond the grave. The Reaper is ripping, the Grievers are weeping. And it turns out the portal to hell is a giant butthole with the head of a demonic snake. As we stage our next haunted house to make some quick cash, only to end up meeting the supernatural serial killer Johnny Bartlett and his secret partner in crime in The Frighteners.
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You're listening to how I Met Your Monster. A podcast that explores the introductions to your favorite movie monsters. My name is Zack. I'm Danny and I'm Casey, and together we dive into the world of horror to find out how filmmakers have introduced us to our favorite monsters time and time again. This is how I met your most.
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Welcome to how I Met Your Monster, the show where we discuss the introductions to your favorite movie monsters. It is time for a brand new triple feature in the club, in the know, in the in the club. In the. In the clear. In the clear. In the club. You know, in the club. Hey, kids. What's this fancy phrase you been saying in their club?
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No, dad, it's in declare. But in the club we are monsters. Wow. Yeah, but we're kicking it off with Peter Jackson's The Frighteners. This was his first theatrical release, wasn't? No, this was his first, like, major budget, like, studio movie. Yeah, that was an indie. And it was an indie movie. Yeah, because right before this, he did.
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What was it? Heavenly creatures? Because this is pre Lord of the rings. This is. Yeah. This was his next movie after this. Wow. Yeah. What a wild I know I've seen plenty of documentaries and interviews with Peter Jackson about him coming on to Lord of the rings, but when you think about the impact that Lord of the rings has had just on like movies in general and even like, I mean, I feel like we wouldn't have Game of Thrones without Lord of the rings.
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I could be wrong, but that just seems like where, like, you know, the casual movie or TV going audiences, the fact that they would give that to someone like Peter Jackson, that's I love Peter Jackson. I'm just saying, like from a studio perspective, the guy who brought you Dead Alive and The Frighteners comes this like huge epic trilogy.
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We're going to film it back to back. We're going to New Zealand. That just seems funny. It's like, talk about a risk, like a gamble. Yeah, well, it certainly paid off. Yeah, yeah. This is how little Griff knows about movies. Because I said I'd watch The Frighteners, and he was like, oh. And I said, yeah, Peter Jackson.
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So I said, do you know who Peter Jackson is? He said, no. It's like, oh, okay. That's what it's so I see, like from, you know, like you grew up in a movie, like just I just grew up loving movies. Just they've always been a part of my life. It's just huge. And to, like, think that, like these household names, like, for us, real people are like, never heard of them.
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And it's just no idea. I mean, yes, I mean, but there's so many things that people are into. But that's a kind of an epiphany. I've had and I kind of continue to have over the years. But I feel like there's some people, like actors who are like, that's like saying, okay, I don't know the world of construction, but I know Bob Dylan or Bob Vila.
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Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, I know Bob Vila. Well, also, I mean, like, he was like, yeah. I mean, yes, I get it. But also he was like a, like a pop culture entertainer thing. Totally. That would be you stations where people would be like, who's that? And I'm like, it's Tom cruise. What do you mean, who's that?
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Tom cruise like, I feel like I feel crazy that you're telling me I'm crazy for. Yeah, that you don't know that it is. I mean, it's interesting because, like, it's kind of dumb to make this comparison, but, you know, the show Impractical Jokers. People are like, how are they still making a show. There's still plenty of people who have no fucking clue who they are.
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Oh my God, there's still people who don't know what they look like. And even if they've watched the show a few times, people don't remember people like that. People don't care enough for people, people's faces. Well, I feel that way about Sacha Baron, Sacha Baron Cohen. I always struggle with his name. Like when he does. Like he dresses up as, like fake Republican people.
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And he goes to these town halls and he does stuff. And I'm like, how do you not know that? That's real, right? Him. Right. But but you're right. It's like, yeah. So everybody knows these people. So I'm always like, well that's like the same to a Borat two. Yeah. And then they look like, yeah, they did it.
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You know, you think you guys deserve to be exposed for whatever dumb shit you're doing, right? Not even the mayor of New York City. Crazy. Crazy. How did we get here? What are we talking about? Because I was talking about how Griff didn't know who Peter Jackson. Oh, yeah? Yeah, Peter Jackson, which, you know, this, you know, like we said, this was his first studio movie, but also whether his production company or his special effects company.
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Post-production in, in, New Zealand, they started with one computer and with this one they got up to, they got 35 computers to do the effects on this. And this is where the initial phone calls were started about Lord of the rings, because he was doing these effects shots and he's like, how can I use these to do like a fantasy thing?
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And he was so worried about having all these computers and not having a movie to make with them that they would just be like, you know, put him in the hold in terms of financials that he's like, I got to do something. And so he started this Lord of the rings thing. And you can definitely see the similar there's so many similarities between oh this and the ghosts.
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Like we've talked about Peter Jackson I can't remember what episode, but he has a very distinct style with this. He does some camera trickery, but and you kind of see that in here. So there's like a kind of creative throughline. Yeah. But it's funny to see, like even down to the way he depicts ghosts, I don't know, it feels these feel like the the ghosts from return of the King where they're, they're, speaking of Lord of the rings, and ghosts.
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What is the sword? Is it an anduril? The famous sword is that he has. Yeah, he can use to. Remember when you go to, like, hit and then the the ghost king hits him and the sword hits, and he's like, you are. It's, you know, you're the king of. Now. That's the spoiler, Danny, I think I think you're talking about Maui and his magical fishhook.
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That's what it was. So does everyone in this movie have the power of Maui and his magical fishhook? Because they can all. Apparently, in this universe, ghosts can be like. Yet there are some. No rules are a little loose. But no, they can only be hit by other ghosts. But Michael J. Fox hit someone. Yeah, I had a very.
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Well, he can also onix of the ghosts. I was like, can they can't they? He can also engage with them on a level that other people can't. Okay. So maybe you if you can transcend that ability, if you can do other humans, other humans can't. That makes sense. Actually, I, I accept that rule. Okay. Yeah. And another special effects guy that we've talked about on our show before had a hand in this, judge.
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The character of judge was designed and created by Rick Baker. Famous for, American Werewolf in London. Did judge remind you guys of someone? Oh, yeah. Not a slim razor. Yeah. He was gonna grab some razor but he's, he's like a mick. He is. Grandpa meets Gramps meets Slim Razor. Yeah that's funny. I'm glad you guys okay.
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We're on the same page. House two reference in the book. Good lord. Officially on this episode. Thank you. I don't know what is happening. You mentioned you're mentioning House. I had a dream last night that someone was like, oh, I want to watch the house movies. They're so good. And I was like, oh, and they were talking about like, House three and four.
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I'm like, I don't I don't even think House four goes by the title house four. I think it's called something else. It's that crazy. But there was another thing you mentioned that I had a dream. Oh, Game of Thrones. You said Game of Thrones. And last night I had a dream about Game of Thrones. We must be on, like, the same, like, wavelength.
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That's weird. Anyways. Okay, so power of three. So we've got Game of Thrones in the house franchise. When I was at the gym this morning, there was rent, Michael J. Fox was on the news. There we go. That's it. Yeah. Do you think if he ever goes on Fox News, they're like, welcome home. Probably he just goes by Michael J.
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When he's there. Yeah. Do you think when he smokes a J. He's like yeah. This was his this year marked his last. This was made in 1996. And this and what was the other one that came out? Mars attacks. Then he started doing voice work because in 1998, he, like, sort of retired from acting because of Parkinson's.
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Yeah. Because then he did Stuart Little, I think in 98. That was. Yeah. And then he did like a slew of, like voice acting stuff. And, he was doing Spin City, but I think that was different. You know, who doesn't like scheduling and stuff? But he didn't even read the script for back to the future when he accepted the role.
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Oh, really? Really. Yeah. Because at that point he was just a sitcom actor, right? Right. Because he hadn't done they wanted him originally for back to the future and he couldn't because of the show. And then they had who they have the guy who played Bad Boy that Eric Stoltz in there, Eric Stoltz. Yeah. And then he wasn't working out, so they wanted to fire him.
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Then they sent the script to whoever his manager was on the sitcom he was playing, and they were like family. Only if he can do it on weekends. And then so he was doing family ties Monday through Friday and back to be sure. Yeah. He was going like from set to set and just like would be up for like days at a time.
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Yeah. It's cool. Yeah. I think he was really he was like a hallucinating and like shit on the set. Like, it's like I feel like I'm back in time or something happening on the set of Family Ties, thinking that he was on the set of back to the future, and he was like, really? He's like, no, I'm not wearing this or know.
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Yeah, I think he was like saying lines from different, you know, saying lines from back to the future on the show. Yeah, they but anyway, we're not talking about Family Ties. I mean, we are we're talking back to the I gotta go back to the future that we're talking about. The Frighteners. The Frighteners. Have you guys seen this movie before watching it for this episode?
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Long ago. Oh, so I used to watch this movie a lot, but I haven't seen it since middle school. Okay. Oh, so I haven't seen it in, like, 23 years. Yeah. And then I watched it. I had a I watched it in a few separate parts because I had so much stuff going on. And then last night I was able I watched it in full for a second time because fucking loved it so much.
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You did? Oh, okay. Okay. Oh no, I cannot believe that I haven't watched this movie in 23 years. I'm angry at myself for not having this in my regular rotation of movies, and I feel like you guys are going to judge the fuck out of me for how much I love this movie. I'm not even a little. I also love this movie.
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I don't know if I would love it as much as you might. I like this movie a lot. You know what I'm actually surprised by? I'm surprised this movie hasn't been, franchised. This feels like a franchise able movie, especially from the fact that Peter Jackson is at the helm. Who is like the franchise king? Return of the King.
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Because it's like, it's literally just, like, solve ghost mysteries with funny. No it's not. There's so much more than that. That's why I loved it so much. Yeah, well, that's the thing. Like, the sequel could be this. Oh, in the third, it doesn't mean. No, no, I don't want it. There's so much depth. Depth to this movie that is so much so far beyond just a horror comedy that I.
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That's why I was like, you know, everyone's like that now. Or do you want to, like, discover that as we go? That's up to you. Well, we'll get into it. We'll get into it. But to your point, you could do like, like The Frighteners presents or something, then like a it's like, sort of like an anthology, just like packed in.
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Well, they like, they set up the fact that, like, if you're traumatized, you're either definitely or just more likely to be able to see ghosts. So it doesn't even have to be the same characters. It could just be like that. Like it's like in the universe of in which The Frighteners exists, right? Yeah. Oh. ROM com, a little horror movie mystery, a little courtroom drama, you know.
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Oh, yeah. Like, The Frighteners presents ghost judge, ghost judge. It's gonna say like it's so. He was a cowboy, and now he's a judge. A judge. Yeah, he's just sitting on this. That's that's so. No, nothing at all. I don't know what they're called. Yeah a gavel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exact. What did you think of this? Much like Casey, I used to watch it a lot when I was younger.
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I hadn't seen it in probably the same amount of time. 23, 25 years. Whatever. I didn't love it. I think. Oh, see? That's it. There's a there's an issue. Because I did really like it. I was also like, trying to pay attention to, like, the monsters. And I wanted to just kind of like, not do it for the show because especially it's very busy.
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There's a lot going on. I and like 20 minutes in, I was like, what is this movie? Because it's like all over the place. At first, just the meat. No, I know, I know that, but I yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. Well, it's just like for me, when it was over, I was like, man, I would have loved this movie if the comedy was toned down a little bit.
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I mean, it's not super comedic, but there are like moments I think of, like when he, like, sprays the the ghosts with the aerosol can and like, his eyes are like a little, little, you know, they're like goofy and whatever and like, stuff like that. If that was kind of. And I know Peter Jackson came from like a horror comedy, wacky background like his his earlier stuff was just kind of over the top and crazy, but I wanted that to be toned down a little bit.
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And then I think I really would have liked it, like if it was if this was one of his, like lower budget movies, if he could have pulled off the CG and stuff or if he could have pulled off the ghost effects that he like he wanted without the use of computers, not then. That's not to say that I yes, the computer effects are dated because they were like 1995, but that didn't really bother me.
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That was it was just that like. Yeah, I don't know. It was trying to take like his style from like his independent movies onto the bigger stage with the and it just didn't completely work for me. There's but there was aspects of it that I really loved and I was like, oh man, there's something it's almost like climbing up a hill and you're right there, you're right there.
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But then like you're like, okay, well, I had a thought going through it. And this is not a criticism at all because I love this movie. I like the tall stuff. But I did have a question where I was like, who is this movie for? And like, what is the target audience? Because it does get some of the comedy is very like silly, which again, I love it.
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Personally, I'm just thinking like broad audience, general audience who's coming down and be like, yo, we got to go check out the because it is very dark too, like it is like with shootouts and it's crazy. So again, maybe that was maybe I shouldn't have even said it makes it sound like a criticism because I it was for me.
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It was for us, you know, like I liked that. I liked the, the grab bag of like, weird genre, the kind of genre sandbox of just having fun and not playing by the rules. But I think I'm just hearing what you're saying, like, I get it. Like it makes sense. It's a valid not that not that an opinion has to be validated, but it make where you're coming from is like, yeah, it is kind of hard to like because you, you're in this, kind of being pulled by this current and then another current comes in and like, I don't know if I liked that one as much or I don't know if it
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did what I needed it to do where I, you know, from, you know, like I was already enjoying this. I don't know if I needed that. So I totally get what you're saying. Yeah. And it comes for me. Oh go ahead, Casey. Okay, well, with everything, you know, you're like, there was a lot going on and there was a lot going on, but the whole time I was like, I was still able to follow everything.
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And I still liked all of it. Like there wasn't an aspect of all of those things going on that I didn't like, you know what I mean? Very much so. I love all it. I loved how, you know, it was, it was, Yeah. Oh, everything. So it's a love story in a few different ways. You know, it's, it's creepy.
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It's funny. Spooky. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Do you think there was something with, We were talking about Tim Burton earlier, and obviously we have Danny Elfman scoring the movie. Do you think studios were a little bit more okay with having something that wasn't so tied down to what I was saying about, like, who is this for?
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Because Tim Burton was kind of at his peak at this point where he was putting up movies that felt like they were challenging genre, standards and ideas. Did I miss this talking about Tim Burton, when we talk about Tim Burton, just Mars attacks. Oh, Mars attacks. That's right. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And then I did the whole I went off, I was like talking about the biography about Tim Burton and oh, I don't know.
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I do like the mid 90s were just a very like experimental time. Yeah. I in this case ten years. Yeah. And so like there's like screams kind of like a horror comedy sort of. But it's like a lot darker and this kind of has that. Yeah. It's, it's, it has an awareness of the fact that it like it knows it's playing against genre tropes.
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But that it's also honoring the genres that it's playing with. Yeah. It's funny you make that comparison with scream. It is very like obviously very different. I would no I was gonna say what are you. This one's about comedy. But that's not true at all. It's just a different type of comedy. And I think maybe part of it is just like, maybe I didn't mind the comedy.
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It's just like the type of comedy. Sure. You know, like you did more slapstick. Well, like I said, like. Yeah, like him, like the ghost. Like throwing up his, like, ectoplasm out of the stuff. And like, I didn't like Cyrus's, like, very stereotypical, like, 70s gangster kind of thing with the big Afro. And I just like, I don't know, I just maybe I didn't like the some of the characters, the ghost characters.
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But like, all that to say, I didn't hate this movie, but, like, I really enjoyed it. You know, I liked it when I was a kid. I like it now, but just watching it as I'm older, I'm like, there's something here that's just a little bit off for me, I don't know. Okay, so the funniest part for me, just because you keep talking about like the comedy bits that you didn't like was when Dammers goes to get in the car and he puts his, little hemorrhoid donut on the first.
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Yeah, yeah. He's like, it's so comfortable. He's like, yeah. And I, I think for me, you know, now that you say that because I didn't mind that I didn't like that was fine. Dammers, his crazy character, was very, like, Lynchian. He was very strange. Yeah. So what I, I think now that I'm. No, we're talking about this.
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I think I just didn't like the ghost. Like the style of the ghost, I think. Yeah. And like their whole. It's just too goofy. I think. Yeah. Before we move on from this, do you guys think that the hemorrhoid ring was like a teaser for his next movie being Lord of the rings? Oh, yeah. The Ring of Fate like The Fighter is Dammers, is that right?
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What is the Ring of Fire? Isn't that, Hemorrhoid your butthole and it's got him, right? Yeah. The eyes are the Eye of Sauron or Sauron. That's the butthole. Yeah, right. It's the Ring of Power. Is the Bible. And, And always watching the ring is. Yeah, that is a hemorrhoid ring that Frodo has to wear in the in the demon snake butthole at the end is the clearly hemorrhoids in there is Mordor.
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Yeah. This is very. It was in there. But, did you guys know this was supposed to be, tales from the crypt movie? No. Yeah. It was they they when we did our Demon Night episode. Oh, yeah. It's like he mentioned something. Yeah, he mentioned this movie. Well, he was talking about, Death becomes her. Death becomes.
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Which was right. Written by or which was directed by Robert Zemeckis. Yeah, this one was produced by Robert Zemeckis, and it was originally written for him to direct as his second tales from the crypt movie. But then, for reasons I don't know, just like every movie I've been talking about or watching lately is I just find out. Do you know this is supposed to be a tales movie?
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I'm like, okay, why are people clearly it's a big enough idea that people, everyone wants their movie to be it up until the last minute. Like, I don't know if I want to go into it. Yeah, like, who cares? Just do it. Yeah. It's like, did you know my best friend's wedding was supposed to be a tell?
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Some incredibly.
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So. Okay, well, let's get into The Frighteners. But before we do, if you are not subscribed to how I Met Your Monster on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, anywhere you listen to podcasts, even on YouTube, go ahead and subscribe and follow us so that you don't miss cool stuff like this great conversation we're having about fucking back to the future and Lord of the rings and heads and hemorrhoids and, Tim Burton, apparently.
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Yeah. So let's head to New England by way of New Zealand. Was England and like, kind of like, I just really don't like, like the muddiness of the beginning of this movie. Everyone's, like, slipping in the mud. But, it gets better. The vibes are off for Zack of this movie. He didn't hate it, but the vibes were fucking mud.
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But, let's head to New Zealand and meet death, I guess. Johnny Bartlett, the grim Reaper, soul collector, all of the emotes. Yeah, all the above. The Reaper. Why did you call The Frighteners? Oh, yeah. Well, The Frighteners is just a term for all of them and says at some point you take these prisoners and you.
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Yeah. I wonder if Frighteners are like. Because he's using them as, like, Frank is using them to, like, use his do his, like, con man thing, right. To like frighten people. And then he's just like, don't bring those frighteners in my cemetery. So I wonder if like the it's almost like just like merging the credo of ghosts. Yeah.
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You're not supposed to do that. Don't mess with that. Right? Yeah. Like he's a pure. He's like, I'm just the camera grave for their little girl. I, Yeah, he doesn't leave the cemetery. There's some that don't leave the sound. Okay, so I completely misread the title of this movie. That makes sense. Okay. All right, you got that thing.
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All right, let's go, let's go.
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I love.
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All right, so for The Frighteners, we have 12 official monster reveals. And, if you're new to the show, a monster reveal is any time that the monster in the movie is revealed to us, the audience, or two characters in the movie. And for The Frighteners, we have 12. Casey, it's your time to shine again. It's your turn to frighten again, right?
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Oh, greatness. Always do your best ghost voice. Yeah, you have to read. So what I want you to do. This was your movie for our in the Claire We All Monsters triple feature. That's going to. That's a fucking mouthful. So. So this is your movie. So I need you to read the synopsis. But as Danny mentioned, you are frightened, and you have to do this in your best ghost haunting voice.
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Okay? Please, before you say no, I'll do the next episode in my best. Either Frankenstein Monster or Dracula voice. Okay, so I want to do Freddy, but those are very Freddy esque. Those are very linear. A ghost haunting voice is not. So it can be anything. Well, I was going to say. Do what? Hold on. Danny, hold on.
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Okay. That wasn't Danny. That was a ghost. What I always think of when I think of ghost voices is, We're gonna talk about Tim Burton and Beetlejuice when they're in the in the the sheets, and there's going, oh, that's what we. But if you could add words into that. Yeah. With gold. It's funny because usually on IMDb they are very short.
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Yeah. This is a big one. It's probably the longest one that I've seen on here. So after a tragic car accident that kills his wife, a man discovers that he can communicate with the dead and he uses his gifts accordingly. This isn't it's a no no, I said. I do. You want me to do it or not?
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Please continue. My apologies to the ghost. I'm sorry. However, when a demonic spirit appears, he may be the only one who can stop it from killing the living and the dead.
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That was also very exact. You remember? Wacky. Wacky. Keep your arms and legs inside the cart. Dude, you know what I remember most about the wacky chef? I mean, visually, it's not a very long ride. Or visually I remember a lot of it, but the smell. Oh, yeah, of like the oh, it smells musty in there. It was like, yeah, but it was like oil and like the track.
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You could smell like the track. Yeah. And like the hydraulics or something. Oh my God. It was just like there's, like a distinct smell. So this is like, Danny has no idea what we're talking about. There is all the wacky. What's the wacky shit tractor. So in Erie, Pennsylvania, in Erie, Pennsylvania, where Casey and I are both from where we grew up, there's an amusement park called Waldameer, and there is a ride called the Wacky Shack, which is like a haunted house.
00;27;26;07 - 00;27;53;00
And you sit in it. It's like a two seater cart on a track, and it goes through and basically like going through a haunted house on a mine cart. Yep. Yep. It's like a does, you know, it's got some little dips, like, I wouldn't call it a roller coaster, but there's little like, no wheels. And, there's that one spot where you like, you go down and like you're outside and you see the line of people and you're like, oh, it's so.
00;27;53;02 - 00;28;21;10
And then you go back. You have let me. I want to read the wacky check anyways. Yeah. Anyway, I don't know how we got there, but here we are because my voice is very wacky. Oh, oh. Okay, so as I mentioned, we have 12 reveals for The Frighteners. Let's see. So there's lots of ghosts in this movie, but, we're focusing just on the bad ones, which is the, monsters themselves, because some of the ghosts aren't bad.
00;28;21;29 - 00;28;46;08
So our first reveal, the movie just starts out with a bang. Like, literally like the bang of thunder. And it never stops either. Never stops? Nope. Just keeps banging all two hours of this movie. All our, however long the story was. Lights banging all day, banging for two hours. Yeah, we keep it classy here. Yeah, but our first reveal is some kind of monster.
00;28;46;08 - 00;29;05;05
We don't know what it is coming out of the walls and haunting the house, and it's chasing, a character through the, dude house and the mom character, the grandma who we don't really know who she is at this point. She is the mom. But, she says big Mama Bartlett or Bradley, big mama friend, big Mama Bradley.
00;29;06;04 - 00;29;27;23
She screams right at the beginning. She says you can't take her. She's too young. Something about the sins of the flesh will. I should have run it. Should it? I shouldn't have wrote it. I should've narrow it down. I should, I should, I wrote that down. They have. That's like what they have her looking like Dracula. Yeah, well, it's very like, Gary Oldman.
00;29;27;23 - 00;29;46;25
Dracula? Yeah. It's very, dead alive, like you get. Oh, yeah. A lot of dead live vibes right in this first bit like. Yep. Like with that. Oh, yeah. We've been down to the priest woman and the old woman and the priest who says he kicks ass for the Lord. Like it's very like, oh, there's a there's little things.
00;29;46;25 - 00;30;12;06
There's the I kick ass for the Lord thing though. That's that's later. Oh. Is there another reference to that? Okay. I mean, is it the same vibes. Yes. I'm an asshole. That's an easy. Yeah, yeah. What's with his, by the way? Guns. Anyways, listeners, if for some reason you haven't seen this movie, the the monster that we're referring to kind of is similar to when Freddy comes through the walls in Elm Street.
00;30;12;06 - 00;30;37;05
But imagine that kind of like continuous like it's sort of like swimming through the walls, I think. Cause and I think something like this also happens in the haunting. Yes. Okay. So the 90s version. Yeah, I'm trying to think so. They do the whole, like. Yeah, it's kind of like because it's Crane is his ghost kind of just permeates and like the walls in the in the house itself.
00;30;37;05 - 00;31;02;04
He's kind of like one in the same. So yeah. Yeah. He's like very it's very flowy. Yeah. It's I love, I love, I love this in this movie too. Yeah. You know and I was watching something where they compared it to Roger rabbit. Which is Robert Zemeckis Sixth Sense. Yeah, yeah. Producer. But like, I loved how he, they did the CGI effects, but they incorporated the real life effects.
00;31;02;07 - 00;31;31;29
Don't. I can't think of a better word, but, like, you know, practical. Yeah. Like, he's like he like the ghost, like, swims through the walls. But then as he goes, like the cabinets are tipping over and everything's like falling and like he's destroying things. And that was really cool how they blended those two. Yeah, I think that's the secret sauce to doing a good a nice balance or having a movie heavily reliant on, CG is, is to do that is to balance it with the practical, because then it's like, okay, I know it's not real, but at least I feel like I'm still grounded in reality.
00;31;32;01 - 00;31;50;02
Yeah. Yeah. But yeah he so he chases her through the house and it's a whole, it's a whole thing. We don't really know what is happening at this point yet. It's very it's the, it's, it's it's a classic cold open. We're setting up the stakes. We don't quite know what they are, but we get, you know, what the movie is.
00;31;50;02 - 00;32;12;00
Yeah. You get the supernatural right out of the gate. Yeah. It's very like there's, like, a very gothic feel with, like, the look of the house and the lightning and the just very cool. So then we meet, Michael J. Fox, his character, Frank Barnett. Barnett, Bannister. Bannister. So Josh Hartnett, in a search for banisters or for stairs, it's Bannister.
00;32;12;06 - 00;32;37;14
Oh that's right Bannister. Because it's Bannister. Because he's a he's a stairway to heaven, if you will. He's he's a bannister. He's a bannister of ghosts. Bannister a bannister. But he's a ghostbuster. He's a yes, a ghost, which they said give me. Like there was a lot of Ghostbusters vibes. And he, like, comes in with his his, little tool that he, like, looks through things like.
00;32;37;14 - 00;32;58;13
Oh, yeah, it's like a classic case of this and this, like. Like fucking Bill Murray tapping on the piano. It's like little. It's like the happens, but anyways, we meet Frank Bannister, and he's like, giving his fucking business cards away at funerals. And, he's. Do you find out that he's kind of like a con man, but I love that.
00;32;58;14 - 00;33;26;05
Yeah, he runs into that guy's fence. Right. And having not seen this for a long time, I didn't realize that Ray was going to become like a character I forgot to. I thought it was going to be like a one off kind of thing. But we also meet Lucy, keep forgetting her name. We also meet Lucy Lynskey, and she she goes to the house that we see in the opening and she does something there.
00;33;26;05 - 00;33;47;11
What does she do? She's a doctor doing house calls. She's a doctor doing house calls. And, yeah, she's called because of Patricia, I don't remember. Big Mama Bradley is just, like, super suspicious. So she makes herself suspicious because she's everything kind of that she does and says is kind of weighed down with, like, it seems like she's hiding something, right.
00;33;47;14 - 00;34;06;21
Is kind of like, from Lucy's perspective, it's like, oh, she's like imprisoning her daughter. Yeah. This is a woman in her house. This is where when the mom's, like, yelling at Lucy. This is kind of when I was like, what is going on? What the fuck is this movie? I was so confused and I know it was like, it was like ten minutes into the movie.
00;34;06;21 - 00;34;30;09
So it's like, chill, Zach. I we get it. Why don't I know if you guys were in house? Yeah. But for me, I was just like, wait, but this sets up. Our second reveal is when Lucy is watching a tape. An old VHS tape from 1996. Yep, yep. And we see we meet John Charles Bartlett in these this 1996.
00;34;30;11 - 00;34;55;18
That was the year this movie was made. That's what I'm saying. She's watching a VHS from 1996. Well, yeah, yeah, the tape was from earlier than that. But yes, I, I see what you're saying now. Yeah. Back in the old VHS days. And the idea is that there is some there's a connective thread here because Mrs. Bradley, Big Mama Bradley tells, Lucy that Patricia isn't who she thinks she is and that she was an accessory to murder.
00;34;55;21 - 00;35;21;06
And then she's kind of like protecting her here. And the accessory to murder was to this guy, Johnny Crane. Yeah, right. Which is why she pulled the tape out to watch. Yeah. So there is true crime. Let's. Here it goes with it. Oh yeah. Before you jump into that because I was going to ask and maybe and if it's coming organically just ignore me I was going to say what kind of killers are these two or is he.
00;35;21;06 - 00;35;43;02
Spoiler alert two. What. There's only one because we, Are they are these natural born? Well, there is very obviously that there's some of that going on in here, too. Yeah. He was a mass murderer. Okay, so it was all done in one time. Okay. So, Yeah, he was a mass murderer. Mass murders are all done at the same time.
00;35;43;04 - 00;36;10;00
So before they talk about him on that tape, they compare him to Charles Starkweather for. Okay, so he was real. He was real. Have we discussed Charles Starkweather on this show? No. Okay. Oh, yeah. I'm excited. Okay. I didn't realize he was a real. But he was just was a real guy. And they also, for some reason, don't mention he was 19 years old when he was a spree killer because he killed, like, ten people over the span of a few months or 11 people over the span of a few months.
00;36;10;02 - 00;36;30;04
So for some reason, they don't mention he was 19 and he had a 14 or 15 year old girlfriend named Carol and Fugit that also went on this spree with him. Like in this movie. Oh, she was an accessory. Or she helped him. Same thing happened with, That's interesting. Yeah. So he almost kind of like, if you know, the true like, it's kind of spoiling the twist.
00;36;30;06 - 00;36;48;27
Yeah, a little bit that that might be. Why would he really know? Yeah. Yeah, that might be why they didn't say it. So in 57 I think 57, 58, the late 50s, he murdered a, like, gas station clerk. And then a couple months later, went over to Carroll County Courthouse and got in a fight with their family, and he murdered.
00;36;48;27 - 00;37;11;06
They murdered her parents and her little sister, and then they stayed in the house with them for a week and put a sign on the door that said, everybody in the in the house was sick. So, like, don't come back here. And then they ended up leaving and just killing random people over the next few weeks saying, you know, to that, oh, guys, I just have to say, stark, there's another Game of Thrones, right?
00;37;11;07 - 00;37;36;20
Laura? So throwing it out there, we are recording this episode, the week that the new Bruce Springsteen movie comes out and that is all about Bruce. I haven't seen it, but, it's his killing spree. Well, it is, it's all about him recording the album Nebraska, which is such an incredible. It's such an incredible album.
00;37;36;20 - 00;38;02;04
But the first song on that album, Nebraska, is called Nebraska. And, yeah, it's about a pair of love going around the place. Okay, there's probably about that. So it's going on going on a killing spree and, then it's it's so good. If you haven't listened to Nebraska, the album itself is great, but it's crazy. Especially listen to that first song, Nebraska.
00;38;02;04 - 00;38;23;24
It's, very fitting for this episode. So is that that's the album where the second track is called The Frighteners, and it's about the movie that references The killers in Nebraska. You never put that together until now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I they were on the road and he was Michael J. Fox is two friends were ghosts. Danny, are you Bruce Springsteen?
00;38;24;07 - 00;38;42;16
Oh, no. Sorry, listeners. Bruce actually just came in the room for a second because he overheard it, and he was he was giving me, like, the the cut sign with his hand. It's like that was that he. He said, let me take over. Let me take over. And he grabbed the mic for a second. Yeah. And then it turned out to be, just give me a second, I'm gonna see the movie, but like, come on, this is ridiculous.
00;38;42;23 - 00;39;06;07
This is not the time to promote the movie. Do you remember when we used to call fucking monsters and celebrities on this show? Now we just have them come to the house and forget about it. But, Yeah. Wow. The connections, they're all coming together. It's. That's wild. Weird. All right, guys, you know what they say?
00;39;06;09 - 00;39;29;29
We find out that declare we all monsters in declare. But y'all stay relevant. We find out that Frank is using these spirits, that he can see to kind of be like a con man and charge like, very, very low prices for his work. It was 1986. Yeah. How much is how much is 200? Let's find out.
00;39;30;00 - 00;39;55;04
$50. $97 million, 1997. No. I want you guys to guess. Okay. So it's. I'm sorry. It was 200 bucks. Well, 50. He ended up being like, it got up to 4400, but his first initial for the clearing was 249 95 or so. What do you want me to put in here? Just do 250 to 250 002. My guess is for eight just for the clean up, only for 80.
00;39;55;20 - 00;40;09;21
Oh my God, Zach, what do you think? Well, now that you say that, I think it's going to be higher than that. I mean, it was 7 million. Oh, I haven't even put it in here yet. I'm just saying about. I think it would be a lot more than that. Okay. It's gonna be like, I guess for 84, 82.
00;40;12;15 - 00;40;39;25
I'm going to say, like nine, 950. Okay. My guess is no, my guess is two grand, $9.50. You said 2000, $2,000. Let's see. Okay. Oh. It's only 516. I thought it was going to be something. Well, what do you know, Dan? You know all about? If I know anything, it's sometimes close to being right about inflation.
00;40;39;27 - 00;41;02;10
I guess I'm, you know, years and years ago, you know, like 19, 20. So. Yeah, I guess $500 really isn't that much. You're right. Especially for the fact that it is a con job and it's like, hey, by the way, ghosts exist. Yeah. And they're going to, like, destroy your life, but I can step in. He could just be like, hey, what, are you willing to pay?
00;41;02;13 - 00;41;24;02
Yeah, yeah. He's just he could be doing because when he comes in, you know, he's he he sets up. You know, we've talked about Ray not knowing he was going to be a character in the movie. And then he shows up at he's married to Lucy and he wants to not get charged for the fence. And so he kind of uses his friends to be a poltergeist in the house.
00;41;24;02 - 00;41;48;26
And then he says, I'm going to charge you all this money to get rid of these ghosts, or we can just forget the fence and call it even. And that was kind of his way to get to getting out of that. But, I love Ray is such a shithead. But I do love that. Like, in that moment, he absolutely knows that he's being played, but he's just like, fuck, I don't care.
00;41;48;26 - 00;42;07;12
Just get the fuck out of my house. Whatever thing to do, I owe this chapter my life to be yes and no. Because Michael J. Fox could keep having his ghost go in there. So he's not he's getting played, but he's also not getting played because he does need Michael J. Fox. Get rid of him. Well, I know, but Ray's like and they are real.
00;42;07;15 - 00;42;25;08
Yes, they're real. But I just love that like Ray's like not buying into it. Yeah I know I mean he's not like and then he turns into one of them. Yeah. We need him gone. He's just like okay, whatever. He's like, this is all bullshit. Just whatever this you got me. Just get the fuck out here. I'll do whatever, okay?
00;42;25;08 - 00;42;43;13
Yeah, I'm over this. So we see that Frank is is kind of a comment. And that gun that he has, the fucking holy water gun. Yeah, I really wanted that to, like, come back into play because it looks like a real gun. So I was like, why does it not. Why did they not do anything with that later.
00;42;43;13 - 00;43;01;03
That would have been a good like. Yeah there should have been someone thinks yeah they have the gun ends up being a real gun. Like in the end when there's the actual gun. Yeah, yeah, yeah totally. When it comes out where they go to shoot it in like water or like, like the banners and then they're like, he's like, it's.
00;43;01;05 - 00;43;30;18
Yeah, it's like, oh, gotcha. Weird. How do you miss that. Yeah. But one big, one big thing that comes into play here is when Frank's about to leave the house after exorcizing the demons, he sees, a number marked on Ray's forehead. This is 37, and he's, like, freaked out at the time. Well, you know, it's it's revealed to us later why he's so freaked out, but, he thought it was just his ghost buddies playing a gag on him.
00;43;30;20 - 00;44;01;15
And we do. It's not. It's not spelled out. But earlier, when we do get the footage of Johnny Bartlett is the thing he says into the cameras, he's like, I got me a score of 12, beat that. You realize he's like, trying to show like, score. Yeah. There's a numbers game reference to. Yeah, yeah, order by numbers. So Frank leaves and we start to see that he's got these ghost friends that are like helping him do these, these cons and this is where I kind of, like, started to see you.
00;44;01;16 - 00;44;24;08
I don't know, understand how the mechanics of these ghosts work because sometimes they can go through stuff, sometimes they run into stuff. Sometimes he can spray them with fuckin aerosol cans. Sometimes I just I didn't get it. It was like. It almost was like there was no rules for these ghosts. Yeah. Or not. Solid. Well, you could argue that there's in the movie ghost.
00;44;24;10 - 00;44;46;08
They, they establish very specific rules about ghost being able to touch things or people seeing them or hearing them or whatever. This movie kind of plays into that a bit. But then to your point kind of then does it. So it's like, well, you know, them going through things and not going through things is control thing with them.
00;44;46;08 - 00;45;07;16
I think at the end, when Frank turns into a ghost, he's falling through the floors because he doesn't. Yeah, sure. You know what I mean? He doesn't know. So I think that, you know, and then. Yeah. So I think that those ghosts, I think it's a control issue. And then as far as humans, like we talked a little bit about earlier, I think Frank is able to just he can see them and people can't.
00;45;07;16 - 00;45;29;20
And so I think he's also able to touch them in and also make sense can see ghosts which I thought that was babies can see ghosts. Yeah. Yeah. Oh I did make a note. I completely forgot this. I literally wrote down, we established that ghosts have Looney Tunes logic because when he's at the cemetery with, our army, he just is, like, transforming.
00;45;29;21 - 00;45;56;11
He's like, I now have guns and I have I am wearing a different I has like, three different costume changes. Yeah. And so I think if you. Yeah. Looney Tunes logic that's that actually helps. That's that's true. That's good, that's good okay. So let's jump to our third reveal. This is where Frank sees the Grim Reaper death. So collector whatever you want to call him in the bathroom when he's out to dinner with Lucy.
00;45;56;14 - 00;46;17;24
I don't really understand the relationship between him and Lucy. It kind of comes on strong. I mean, we'll talk about it later. There's some things I want to point out later, but they're out to dinner. He's like, telling her that Ray's with him and Ray's being a prick, and I said, Peter Jackson sees Americans. It's like, all right, we're going to talk about death at medieval times.
00;46;17;27 - 00;46;38;01
It's just like everything's so tacky and like, yeah. We do get a hint here of, like, something happened to Frank about how why he can see the spirits, and you kind of get a sense that he's, like, not telling the whole story. Like there's something else. He said he was in a car accident, and after a traumatic experience, you can sometimes you can see things.
00;46;38;01 - 00;46;55;10
But we're like, you're not giving us all everything we need here, Frank. But what's going to happen is a little dark backstory going on here. But Ray spills the water or the wine on him, and, he goes to the bathroom to clean it off. And this is where he sees the dude in there with the number 38 marked on his head.
00;46;55;10 - 00;47;14;24
Ray was 37. This dude's 38, and he sees death come in and squeeze this guy's heart. And you would think that, like, when we find out who death is later in the movie, you would think that, like, why is he just squeezing hearts? But can he do something else? At least he's not breaking them, I right? He doesn't break them.
00;47;14;24 - 00;47;41;01
He's he just loves them too much. What else would he do? Well, I don't know if he can squeeze his heart. I feel like he could do something else physical that, like, maybe he's trying to do. Because there is kind of a mystery that's established where they're like, all of these victims are dying. They're like, they're just so they can't figure out like that this maybe it is.
00;47;41;01 - 00;47;59;11
I guess it's not necessary to keep the trail off of him because he's a ghost and he's invisible to the naked eye. Yeah, but there could be something that's real. I just feel like he's. Maybe that, in and of itself, just makes it fun for him. Like watching them track. Like, that's what I'm trying to figure out. Yeah.
00;47;59;12 - 00;48;23;05
Okay. I'm sure it's a game. And if you think about taking somebody's life or having their life literally in your hands. Would be squeezing their fucking heart. Sure. And you know like he can't shoot them. Yeah. You know I mean like he, you know he might be a drill sergeant. You know they don't hurt humans when they do that.
00;48;23;07 - 00;48;44;07
Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah I was just saying like, you know, because death spoiler alert is John Charles Bartlett like. In this scenario. And, I guess he did just shoot people and say he'd be more creative, but he wasn't very creative earlier. He just was racking up his body. No, no, I think a big part of it is just like having somebody's literal life in your hands.
00;48;44;07 - 00;49;06;28
Yeah. Okay. That's good. That makes sense. Yeah. I like the way you just also like, it's really sick. But he can watch them, you know, watch the life. Just train everybody nice. Yeah. Jeez. And his victim, clearly. They're at a restaurant. Clearly finished his dinner. As he goes up to heaven. No unfinished business. Yep, yep. Cleared his plate.
00;49;07;00 - 00;49;24;23
I be like, God, I'm not ready. I have, steak timing. I think it's probably there by now. I was hoping it would be there after I came back for the bathroom. Yeah, I was like, was that a Pulp Fiction reference? And he's like, yeah. He's like, dude, okay, I'll leave the door open. A little eye opening. It's I got you.
00;49;26;00 - 00;49;49;28
When does Lucy get taken into the police station? Right after this, after they find the dead guy in the bathroom. Yeah. We meet Dammers after this? Yes. Okay, so this is. This is what I want to talk about real quick. Lucy's last name is Lynskey. Oh, I have the same name you found you site to. Yes.
00;49;49;28 - 00;50;12;11
The hidden cameo. Yes. Is Melanie Lynskey in here somewhere? Melanie Lynskey is in this movie. So when, the cops are finally like, oh, by the way, the sheriff Waltz Perry. Sheriff Perry. I love that guy. Mitchell. What is that guy's name? Before we go any further, I want to see that I wrote it down. It's it's.
00;50;12;11 - 00;50;33;22
He meets it at the cemetery earlier he was in a movie that I used to watch all the time when I was a kid with Christian Slater called cuffs. Yes. Remember those cuffs? It was such a fun comp. Police comedy, action comedy movie. So that's his, typecast. Yeah. He's like the whatever. But Troy Evans is a sheriff here.
00;50;34;14 - 00;50;59;02
Troy, he does not look like a Troy Evans. It looks like, like a Roger stern. Baker. Roger stern. Baker. Stern. Bauer. Yeah. Stern. Bauer is better. Yeah, I enjoy that guy. Anyways, when he says that they're going to bring in, they got to bring in Frank and, bring him to the police station. We see Lucy and I.
00;50;59;04 - 00;51;10;14
Every time I'm going to say her name, I stumble because I, for some reason, I just can't remember it. Because she looks more like a Troy Evans.
00;51;11;03 - 00;51;39;27
When we see Lucy getting brought into the police station, she's being escorted. Escorted? There's an escort when we see him at the police station. Helping her? Yeah, and that escort. And then that escorts name, goes by Melanie Lynskey. Do you mean the actress is playing the cop who escorts her into. Yes, it is, it is that cop is, played by Melanie Lynskey.
00;51;39;29 - 00;52;04;08
Interesting. Yeah. And we see her later in the movie for another real quick moment, honey. And, a couple of years prior to this movie, Peter Jackson worked with Melanie Lynskey on the movie Heavenly Creatures with Kate Winslet. So I'm assuming, okay, they had a good relationship, I don't know, good enough to get her good enough to get her, in.
00;52;04;10 - 00;52;26;17
But yeah, she's like a with a small role and not speaking in. Yeah. Frighteners. Yeah. Yeah. Well yeah maybe she maybe the relationship wasn't good and he was one sided. He's like, please be in a movie. She's like, I, I'm not saying a word though. A few years after that, Melanie Lynskey is in this movie, that Zack and I, you should probably like.
00;52;26;18 - 00;52;49;04
Yeah, Danny should probably watch it and he should probably watch it. Wait it guys, she's in Detroit City. Is Melanie Lynskey a cop in it? No, no, she's a high school student. She's Beth, she's Beth, and it's her last day here. Okay? She's moving to Ann Arbor. So, yeah, you need to solve in Ann Arbor. Is the town from this movie?
00;52;49;06 - 00;53;11;23
No. It's not. And she throws a pencil. She she is 17. Oh my God. Okay, guys. Danny, if you. Here's the thing. If you would just watch Detroit Rock city, we could stop fucking talking about it. So it's mine. So you're stumbling? Yes. It's your fault. It's your fault. Oh, this is your fault. I'm the victim for not having had the pleasure of seeing it.
00;53;11;25 - 00;53;35;20
And it's my fault. But on top of the, Melanie Lynskey cameo, we are also introduced to a very fun character in the form of Jeffrey Combs, who is the star of Re-Animator, which we did a commentary for recently. So check it out on Patreon if you haven't already. Yeah, Re-Animator 48 awesome movies with our voices. Yes.
00;53;36;00 - 00;53;59;26
40th anniversary. Yeah. Yeah. What a guy. Peter Jackson apparently was a big fan of Re-Animator, and that's why he brought in, Amazon brought in Herbert West, who brought in Jeffrey Combs for, this row of Dahmer's detective Dahmer's. Are you a detective? If you're special agent. Agent special special agent Milton. Milton stammers. Milton Dammers I love Milton Dean.
00;53;59;26 - 00;54;23;19
What a great name. What a wacky character. Yeah. Also plays the hitting me of a chauvinist, because not only does he not like women, he gets physically ill just from hearing them, like, yell. Yeah, he's just like that one. I yeah, it's straight up say he's like, he gets he gets sick when a woman yells, oh she I but I didn't think that was because he hated women.
00;54;23;19 - 00;54;42;13
I thought that was because he was like autistic. And that auditory issues. Honestly. Well he's I mean I yeah that checks I don't know if it. Yeah, I don't know. He specifically says he has a problem with women yelling. Oh so I don't even. Yeah I'm sure he hates women too. Yeah. I don't know if it's because he hates women, but like maybe both.
00;54;42;14 - 00;55;01;22
Yeah. I don't know if there's like an autistic thing with auditory issues. He like is he's okay firing and fucking Uzi, you know. Yeah. Yeah. So you're shooting though. Here's the thing. When you have auditory issues, if you're making the noise and you know that the noise is happening, it's not a big deal. It's outside things. Yeah. That cause it's interesting.
00;55;01;22 - 00;55;19;24
Okay. Yeah. Okay. So any who Milton was the name of a spider that I had at work on my bench for a while. Yeah. I remember pictures of Dammers as a bit of a spider. Sims? No, sir, but, Oh, yeah. And then Dammers is the one who spills the beans on, yeah. He likes backstory to Lucy.
00;55;19;24 - 00;55;54;04
Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is kind of happening simultaneously with our fifth reveal, which is, I'm sorry, our fourth reveal, actually fourth. That was. And say I was like, oh, which is, the car chase where Frank and his ghost cohorts are chasing death through the streets of New Zealand. What a weird sense. Oh, wait. We also find out that in the flashback of Frank's wife dying, they make it seem like he in like a fit of rage, is like just doing some bad aggressive driving and got her killed.
00;55;54;06 - 00;56;19;21
But she was number 13 carved into her head. Which if guys, if you're tallying and paying attention, Johnny says his last victim as a as a living killer was 12. So Frank's wife was his first victim as a ghost. So yes, there is a there's something pivotal there. So this brings up a good question. I don't know if it's a good question, but this brings up a question.
00;56;19;21 - 00;56;42;27
I think this is going to be a great question later in the movie. Spoiler alert if you are still here and you have not seen this movie. Okay, so in this reality, I'm fast forwarding to a further part of the movie. Okay, yes, we find out that Patricia is an accomplice to Johnny. Yes. And she is helping him with these murders, right?
00;56;42;29 - 00;57;02;14
Yes. She carves the 13 into the head. If he crashed the car and she just, like, fell out of the car right? She was ejected from the car, I think. I don't think she just fell. Okay. So she was it just. Yeah. I'm just I'm putting things together in my head. He came out the car, she was ejected.
00;57;02;17 - 00;57;27;03
And then he just comes over and squeezes her heart. And then. And she carves a 13 into her head. Yeah. What's the question I guess like why her. I don't think there's a reason. Yeah I don't I but then you follow him because he can now see ghosts. Yeah. Because he's not like pivotal to the story until, until that's what makes him a a player.
00;57;27;10 - 00;57;50;16
Because now you know the irony is or maybe it's not irony, but the fact that Johnny and Patricia killed his wife and kind of essentially, in a way, framed him. Yeah. Because they took him to be it inadvertently gave him the ability to see ghosts, just kind of putting them on their trail. And then obviously by the end of the movie, he he's like, they're, they're they're the cause of their demise.
00;57;50;19 - 00;58;13;09
At that point, he was just kind of like a bystander, didn't he didn't have any real kind of importance. Right. But like Mary just Patricia was just like there. I mean, they probably were just hanging out. I was thinking it was kind of like a plan, like, let's target these folks. So do you think they made them? They made the car crash.
00;58;13;09 - 00;58;35;06
Well, yeah. How did they make the car crash? Well, I thought his ghost does it right. Like I get swoops in. I'm happy now. I'm misremembering it. My memory of it is that you see his ghost like the as the reaper. Kind of like. No, I don't know. I don't think so. But either way, it's just maybe it's irrelevant.
00;58;35;06 - 00;59;00;06
I just was, I just was maybe because we've seen his ghost like the Reaper kind of fucking with people. We didn't have to see it. It's just sort of implied, like clearly he did something to the car. Yeah. That's my guess. Okay. All right. We can move on. Let's stop the recording. We'll do a poll, get some answers and then we'll finish it okay.
00;59;00;13 - 00;59;24;05
That's that sounds perfect. Well also to answer another question that you didn't ask that I thought you were going to ask, numbers aren't carved into any of the other foreheads because Patricia is not allowed to leave the house anymore. Good point. Interesting. That's all. But how did she, How did she. What? Remember, guys, Looney tunes logic.
00;59;24;05 - 00;59;38;14
Well, okay, she's not allowed to leave the house. How did she get out to carve the fucking 13? Well, it was five years ago. She may have been allowed to leave the house for a little bit. And then her mom was like, fuck, I think that you're still doing bad shit. Maybe the mom. So you're not allowed to leave the house?
00;59;38;17 - 01;00;01;07
Well, the mom should have found the blade with, like, blood on it. It's in the mom's thing. So the mom did no. She has. The mom has the blade in her. Yeah. Normally, I don't think it's to be spelled out okay. This kind of maybe could have benefited from one quick little scene of, like, just to glue some or stitch some scenes together.
01;00;01;08 - 01;00;28;16
Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Okay. It's a fair question, but yeah. Yeah. That's why the cutter was in her closet, which we'll find out later because she took it from her. Okay, okay. Don't leave the house anymore. I know you're helping this guy. Guys. Did I say something? Probably. Patricia is why Patricia is so afraid of her mom, and, like, allows her to keep her locked up.
01;00;28;18 - 01;00;51;04
But do we ever establish that, because she very casually kills her later? Yeah, I think probably just waiting for the right time. They weren't trying to. They were working together, but they didn't want to be caught, you know? Okay. Yeah. So. And if her mom knew and she's going to go against her mom's wishes and her mom could easily tell, you know, turn her in or do something.
01;00;51;04 - 01;01;09;18
And if they kill her mom, then she's gone back. She go back to prison. Yeah. Okay. And then the opening scene. Who's Johnny targeting? Because I know we're supposed to be thrown off. Is he coming after the mom? He seems to be attacking her because doesn't she? Does the mom, like, shoot at him? Is he just trying to be, like, hang with her?
01;01;09;18 - 01;01;12;29
And then.
01;01;13;01 - 01;01;28;27
He's like, I just want to come here. I don't I don't think we're supposed to know. I think, yeah, it's supposed to be a red herring there. Maybe it is that and maybe it is like a surface level red herring for the mom to kind of throw them off to be like, look, I don't love them any more, mom.
01;01;28;29 - 01;01;54;04
Yeah, yeah. Anyway. Wow. Okay. Got off the rails there a little bit. All right, let's get back. All right. We're back on the rails now. We're still talking about our fourth reveal. The car chase with Frank chasing the, the Grim Reaper through the streets. And then we end up at the museum where we find another person has died.
01;01;54;04 - 01;02;20;11
One of the reporters, and, Frank is getting. Oh, it's all coming together. They're like. Frank is looking like he's the one who's doing all these things. So the cops are there to get him. Oh, just insane that these cops completely open fire on an unarmed Frank. Yes. Yeah. Just like unload. Since I was, like, especially when we've established that these people are dying from heart attacks.
01;02;20;13 - 01;02;52;26
Well, here's the thing, though. I mean, they do think that he's doing it, so they think that he is dangerous. However, they're not actually they can't actually arrest him on anything so they can shoot him. Yeah. Just who he may not be able to arrest this man legally, but we can kill him. It was wild. And then, Frank's buddies come and save the day with, judge comes in his his some of his his buddy with the with the comedy that I love and shoots the grim reaper and that this is where we find out that ghosts can be hurt by other ghosts.
01;02;52;29 - 01;03;15;09
Yeah. And, then judge has the fucking fox a dead body and makes, like, some jokes, which. Yeah, very dark. Did you hear what he saw? Do you guys remember what he says? I like what they like. I wrote it down. I like it when they lay still like that. Oh, so, my God, it's not even like, you know, we we've talked about this before.
01;03;15;09 - 01;03;37;25
I think it's a different time. Maybe it's time for him. Yeah. He's also a ghost. Yeah. What kind of makes you like to think about who was judge when he was alive? Yeah. Oh, everybody. When cowboys were a thing, everybody was horrible. Yeah, it was a lot to say. Like what? Cowboys were a thing. Everybody fucked dead bodies.
01;03;37;26 - 01;03;54;26
Everybody was an exercise, you know? So. But I mean, it was it was lawless. Did they kill people? Killed each other all the time. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, it's just like, you see, judge who is just like, you know, he's old and he's like, kind of like, you know, he helps. He helps him. He's charming.
01;03;54;26 - 01;04;21;01
He's like the wise old man. But then you're like, dude, you're a fucking. He goes from Gramps to Slim Razor very quickly in this. You've mentioned Gramps, who is Gramps from Texas house, too. Oh, house to Gramps. I'm just going to keep anytime I make a reference. You don't know what? It's probably house to dude house too.
01;04;21;05 - 01;04;47;02
Okay. All right, so things are happening. As we get to our fifth reveal, Lucy is now going to try to rescue Patricia from the house and Ray is following her. The ghost of her late husband, Ray. If you've forgotten about Ray and, as she walks into the house, Ray can see that the house looks like death.
01;04;47;05 - 01;05;14;06
It's kind of like wobbly and no, it's like if death has come to your town pulsating. I was going to say squiggling, but I don't know if that's a word. Yeah, it is sitting squiggling. You've never seen a pulsating squiggling house before. I've seen someone pulsating, screwed over. Okay. Casey and Daddy, like, you guys, like, linked up at the same time.
01;05;14;06 - 01;05;20;16
Like, Casey's eyes got, like, And then it was like,
01;05;20;29 - 01;05;28;06
Because you both like penis. Yeah. Oh, give me that deer.
01;05;28;19 - 01;05;50;02
Okay. Okay. Not much to say about this reveal. It's quick and it happens, but. Naga, there you go. It's quick announcement. So six, six to reveal. This is like a package deal. Five, six and seven are very much like we're in the same place, but three pivotal things. Yeah. They're very. They're like. They're quick and they happen.
01;05;50;17 - 01;06;19;19
Six. Lucy's in the closet. And she finds the fucking box cutter in the mom's closet, and you're like, okay, mom really is a monster. So you think. Yeah. Even if she didn't kill people, she seems kind of very monstrous. Yeah. You start to wonder, like, what was her influence on? Not to say, like it made her be a killer, but maybe there's something there that, like, made Patricia more likely to join with someone like Johnny.
01;06;19;22 - 01;06;46;15
Well, was Patricia a patient, or did she also work at the Senate? Oh, I was under the impression she worked there. Okay, but now that you see that, it makes you wonder. Do they mention that I don't know. I guess we'll never know. You guys hey Google it. No no no this is never this isn't so she finds the box cutter number seven again.
01;06;46;15 - 01;07;11;15
Really quick races. Death comes face to face with death. And death fucking uses his safe as Satan cuts his face off. Bye bye Rick. I do like that. How? Like death can kill. Like ghosts can kill other ghosts. Yeah, well, yeah, that was cool. And then he collects their souls, and I think it makes them stronger. Oh, yeah, he did collect his soul.
01;07;11;15 - 01;07;37;25
That's right. Okay. That's like. Oh, this reminds me of, Is this, this is where we exist in the same universe as K-pop demon hunters. Ooh. I know nothing about K-pop demon hunters. So it's about this guy named Frank Bannister. That's where I started seeing similarities. And then it just gets crazier and crazier how similar these two movies really are.
01;07;38;01 - 01;07;55;14
And just kidding. But maybe we could only this soul stealing. Maybe we could up the SEO for this episode if we kept saying K-pop demon hunters. You know what I mean? K-pop demonized, even if you say it in the episode Hip Hop Demon Hunters. Yeah, because we transcribe these episodes. So when we say K-pop demon hunter, demon hunters.
01;07;55;16 - 01;08;15;05
So when we say K-pop demon hunters, it gets transcribed and the, internet picks it up that we said K-pop demon hunters and the pop demon. Yeah. I don't know if this would have been this movie would exist without K-pop demon hunters. I mean, I don't think, you know, demon. Demon exists. Yeah. Yes. In demon, you all should see it.
01;08;15;07 - 01;08;35;15
See what? K-pop demon up. Oh, to answer both of your question, Zach. K-pop demon hunters. Casey, us a similar question. K-pop demon. Okay, yeah. Maybe I'll check out, K-pop demon Hunters and see if. Where can you watch K-pop? On Netflix?
01;08;35;18 - 01;08;48;19
Oh, wonderful. All right, well, you heard it here, folks. If you haven't seen K-pop Demon Hunters on Netflix, go ahead and check out K-pop Demon Hunters on Netflix. This.
01;08;49;15 - 01;09;06;10
Okay. Watch this episode as the lowest. They're like, oh, it didn't work. Look at us all. We're all inspired by Frank banner. So we're trying to con the system. Yeah, because people who would be googling K-pop demon hunters definitely want to hear a.
01;09;06;12 - 01;09;30;18
So are you 30 year old 30 year olds talk about a 30 year old, 30 year old. Yeah, 30. 30, 30. I meant people in our 30s. Zach 30. Zach is going to be 40. Shut it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I still got another. I still have half a year more than that. Little bit more than half. Did you think I'm 29?
01;09;31;10 - 01;09;59;04
I think that what you think? Yeah. People in the 30s and and 20s talk about K-pop. It's a guys such thing. K-pop. It even unders. This is not a show about K-pop demon hunters. All right, while Lucy is in this house trying to escape, we are also cutting back between Frank in the interrogation room with Dammers, and it just gets wild.
01;09;59;04 - 01;10;16;07
Dammers rips off his shirt and is wearing a LED breastplate. So weird. Yeah, it's so. What do you mean? It's. It makes sense. He thinks that he's going to kill him with his mind. Yeah, yeah. Like that. Can't go. That makes sense. But it's also, like, so absurd at the same time. And you're just like. It is absurd.
01;10;16;07 - 01;10;35;04
You're just like, you know. Oh, my God, it's a Dammers is absurd. He really is. And it's he's a great character from but, well, a little, I would say a little bit before this part of the movie. And then for the rest of the movie, I didn't know how much I liked Michael J. Fox. Because, you know, I don't watch a lot of Michael J.
01;10;35;04 - 01;10;54;11
Fox movies. I haven't seen a lot of them in a long time. Obviously. You know, I like Teen Wolf, and I like back to the future, but I haven't watched them in a while. Okay. And I don't know what his performances are like in those movies. He is so sad in this. Like, sad is in like his character.
01;10;54;11 - 01;11;16;01
He is. Yeah, yeah. But like, I got really upset. You made me really upset. That's interesting. You say that because I thought you were going to go like he's so charming because there is no, I mean, yes, but you can see that he is haunted, literally by ghosts and by the death of his wife. He is so sad, so tormented.
01;11;16;01 - 01;11;46;07
You're saying this as a compliment? Yes. He made me cry. Gotcha, gotcha. You know, like the. He looks so well, I think it it it helps that, you know, just in terms of like building his character, Michael J. Fox is like a household name, and he's usually playing characters that you are rooting for or you are fond of or just like, just kind of sweet, even if they're a little, you know, like Marty McFly is kind of a rebel, but he's a sweetheart at the end of the day.
01;11;46;07 - 01;12;04;22
So to see him, would you I guess he is kind of in a way, playing against type in this movie. So that I'm sure has something to do with it. And then for him to be grieving is like, oh, I don't want to see that. I mean, I want to see the performance because it's great. But yeah, I don't like that he's in pain.
01;12;04;25 - 01;12;26;10
Yeah. But for me, it didn't have anything to do with him being Michael J. Fox because I don't have any. You're not as tied to him. Yeah. Yeah. I you know, I, I just wasn't expecting for him to be a very good actor, I guess. Interesting. Just because I like I said, I don't watch, you know, like, wow, Teen Wolf, what a great performance.
01;12;26;12 - 01;12;49;27
I don't know. And yeah. And I haven't seen them in so long. So I wasn't expecting to be so moved. So you weren't expecting something like Casualties of War? I've never seen that. So. But. Yeah, but you felt the equal amount that seemed similar. But, you know, he was probably grieving. I know you say his wife, but he was probably probably grieving.
01;12;50;26 - 01;13;09;08
That haircut. Oh, that he had to cut. And for some reason, when his wife died. Because that's what girls do when they're sad. It's okay to say he does have his gut here. What is that? His body. I like, like he's very good about playing basketball on this little slab of concrete. No character makes sense. It makes sense.
01;13;09;12 - 01;13;24;15
He was also wearing a suit, so he obviously cared about what he looked like. And he put thought into his appearance. And then now he's depressed. He doesn't give a fuck. So shaving your head is the easiest way to get rid of that. He's wearing a fucking oversize trenchcoat. Yeah. Big pair of jeans. Like. Yeah. They said he was a successful architect.
01;13;25;10 - 01;13;43;23
Yeah. So I thought you were going to say, like, I thought you were going to shed some light on to why it made sense that he was loving playing basketball on this little concrete slab. Well, he was, because he was throwing at his wife's face as he built the basketball court. Yeah. So, you know, which is really sweet when we see that he turned it into a garden later.
01;13;44;11 - 01;14;14;23
Yeah. He could garden basketball flowers. Like, you couldn't just let it go, could you, Frank? You had to be. Yeah. So. Okay, so before our eighth reveal, we see that Lucy is breaking him out of jail and that this is where I was kind of like, where is this connection coming from? Because she is like, you're act like you're the only person who's been hurt, and and you're not like this.
01;14;14;23 - 01;14;35;15
And like, they don't know each other. They've known each other for like, so 2 or 3 days and you're like, well, where is this, like, deep connection coming from that? Like, I just was I was a little bit like, did I miss something? I hate to burst your bubble, Zach, but they do this a lot in movies because they're lacking something called I'm so wow.
01;14;35;15 - 01;14;57;20
Thank you. No, I'm kidding for your insight on that. I would I was just thinking it was just a matter of grief. Like they were their trauma bonding or their trauma bonding. Absolutely, I was joking. I mean, that is obviously part of it. Yeah. Because they do talk about they've established like the power of trauma. Yes. The fact that like you can literally see ghosts afterwards, their trauma.
01;14;57;20 - 01;15;19;07
So I think if they were to yeah. Casey I agree Charbonnier the trauma okay. And I mean some relationships are just toxic as fuck like that. People go on and like meet somebody one time and think they're in love with them. That actually fucking happens. Yeah. So, All right. Well, but it leads to a pretty great moment, which references one of our past episodes.
01;15;19;10 - 01;15;40;05
They decide that, like, we got to kill the Reaper. And Lucy has an idea she. Flatliners. She. Flatliners. Yes. Yes. You know, and then to my point they, she puts them in the fucking ice chamber closet thing and they do like a kissy finger thing on the window. And I was like spa comes on. And you just seen this dude.
01;15;40;11 - 01;15;57;25
Well, she also might kill this man. So she probably, you know, was a little bit nervous. I might go to jail for this. At least. Let me give you a guess. The fingers on the window, get your fingers on the window. But when he. When he dies and it's his, his spirit comes out and he goes to fight death.
01;15;58;08 - 01;16;17;09
We get to our eighth reveal, which is Haynes, the drill sergeant in the in the cemetery, and he meets death for, like, a really quick second, and he gets split right in half. But he was like, you know, he's like, who are you? He cuts him right now. And he plays a good purpose here though, because we again, looney tune logic.
01;16;17;09 - 01;16;40;28
We establish that he has machine guns. And Frank, who is now a ghost, uses those machine guns against the Reaper. Yeah. This is where the movie really starts to just feel its most it's like peaks in terms of like being totally rational, which I. Yeah. Because at this same point, you know, to your to the same point in the movie, to your point about it being rational.
01;16;41;01 - 01;17;02;08
This is where I was like, what role is Dammers playing this? Because he, like, kidnaps Lucy and he's taken out to the cemetery and he says, like, you'll you're oh. There's a whole back story where he's like, he reveals these markings on his body, or it's he says, my body is a road map of pain. Yeah. He opens his shirt and his chest is covered in much, much of it don't get any.
01;17;02;12 - 01;17;21;17
Yeah, because he says, like he's going to keep it for like 11 hours or something. And I'm like, yeah, but Frank, I think that make sure he dies, make sure he dies. But 11 hours is so specific. Yeah, it's very, very intense. But what have been 8 a.m. I don't know. She can go to work, which is miss work.
01;17;21;17 - 01;17;47;19
Yeah. When we clock in. Okay. So let's see number eight. Number nine. Oh this is the big one. Yes. This is where Frank finds out that this death person he's been chasing around is actually Johnny Bartlett. The villain ends up being revealed to be the villain because he uses Heinz's machine guns in Looney Tomb Logic, like you said.
01;17;47;19 - 01;18;05;11
And he shoots him all the pieces and he like, shoots his face off, and he picks it up and he's, oh, this is such a good moment when he's about to strike the killing blow. And then Lucy has saved him and resuscitated him. So he's uneasy, gets like, sucked away. Yeah, I thought that was. That's one of my favorite moments.
01;18;05;11 - 01;18;29;06
Yeah, it's very frustrating because you're like, right, motherfucker. But it's like, but she saved his life, so you don't. If it had been any longer, maybe he wouldn't have made it. Two seconds. Really? People going to flatline? There's logic. Well, he didn't stand a chance. It only takes one second to die. Yeah, but he was already dead. It's the most profound thing we got on the show.
01;18;29;09 - 01;18;56;19
So, Steve. Well, it's true. It's like. Like when you're at work, okay? And somebody calls off the next day and people are like. He was fine yesterday. How do you think that happens? Yeah, he's dead today. What do you want me to say? Yeah. Like, oh, damn. You're right. Now that you mention it. Well, apparently later in the movie, Frank does die and just comes back on his own after, like, no, it's the power.
01;18;57;05 - 01;19;18;05
Yeah, they send him back, but, like, I don't know. It's a movie, guys. It's a god. It's it's a movie. Why are you so upset that I just fucking have fun? I'm not I listeners, I think you can't see this. Zack is just filming this whole show. He's been cracking his knuckles every Justine coming out of this years.
01;19;18;07 - 01;19;38;16
No see it. One of the reasons I'm like, trying to find put these things together is because I remember loving this movie and I really wanted to like it. I really wanted to love it. I did like it. I did like it. I would watch it again. It was fun. You don't hate the movie. You hate God. You got the idea of falling out of love with it.
01;19;38;21 - 01;20;02;29
Yeah. And I don't think we've ever said on the show more than one episode. Yeah, I just like, I, I want to love it more. I want to, I want to love it. I think it's also tricky with this show. You mentioned this earlier where you were like, so busy. Clocking reveals. Yeah, that our brains kind of enter a different space.
01;20;03;01 - 01;20;25;20
Yeah. When we're watching these movies because it is, it's it becomes a little bit more clinical. So to like and I'm not saying that happens every time, but I have been there to where I'm like so focused on that. Like, wait, oh, I just watched a movie. Like, yeah, okay. Yeah. And this one just happens to be all over the place tonally, so it's a little harder to, latch on to.
01;20;25;23 - 01;20;49;06
Yeah, I get that. I'll, I'll, I'll really. It's my day. Oh. Ruining will it in. No, no, we don't want you to reel it in. We want the range. We want emotional range. We need you stayed just the way you are. Oh, thanks. Oh, nice sounding one episode. Okay. Cry. Where are we at ten. Our 10th reveal.
01;20;49;06 - 01;21;07;28
Ten. Oh, this is a, this is an equally similar type of reveal. Yeah. That we just got. Yeah. We're basically it's like the unmasking we're finding out that it's like in scream. It's like not only do you find out there's a killer there's a second killer. Yeah. Same here 96 who ripped off. You find out next time.
01;21;08;08 - 01;21;25;22
How met your months. Yeah. Patricia now is revealed to actually be Johnny's accomplice. It had been talked about throughout the whole movie. But you were like no, that's not true. But turns out it was true. They duped us. We got. Didn't I have a question for Casey and Casey? I don't want to put you on the spot.
01;21;25;22 - 01;21;49;09
If you don't have an answer, that's okay. Put her in a spot. Put her on this, put her on the spot or a little spot here, monster. Put it on it up. Oh, okay. Demon hunters, K-pop top ten. So Johnny says that they're trying to have the highest kill count. They're trying to beat other, mass murderers, serial killers?
01;21;49;12 - 01;22;12;13
Do we know? Is it, like, a common thing to know? Like who are like the top kill count, body count killers? And do you know them? Okay. Yeah. Okay. Ooh. So, Samuel Little. Samuel Little is like Samuel Little is a little bit controversial because it wasn't like, actually, convicted of all of these murders because he died, but he's suspected to have, like 93, I think.
01;22;12;17 - 01;22;34;10
Oh, and then Gary Ridgway, irony if I you're working numbers in this movie. Oh, yeah. It wasn't the biggest body count. That was within the last probably ten years. I remember like, Gary Ridgway was a green River killer. I think his is 69. Like, where does he start going next? Like click go to the green rivers.
01;22;34;12 - 01;22;42;28
He dumped the rivers green. You know what I mean? He only kills people in Chicago during Saint Patrick's Day.
01;22;43;00 - 01;23;01;00
During the parade, when they take him. Oh, no. He was only. Oh. And then of 49, he has a line where he's like, this record should be held by an American, which again, like, oh, is this? Oh, that would never. So because there's a Brazilian guy that's like in the hundreds or something. Oh, really? I remember who he is.
01;23;01;00 - 01;23;33;26
Yeah. Just to take a sharp, hard turn into like reality. It was a little like hearing him say that and then immediately followed up with the whole, like, shootout, like they do the shooting at the at the hospital. It was like dark. It was hard to watch because it's very, I mean, this is where I was glad that the movie is kind of tonally all over the place, because it kind of is like you can, like, catch your breath a little bit because it's pretty dark, just I'm realizing I'm like, wow.
01;23;33;26 - 01;23;51;14
And obviously we're not going to get into it. People know the state of the world and like what's going on, but like just to sit back and just watch people just get well. I was like, oh yeah, actually crime is like not at an all time high right now. Like people think it is. It's actually kind of lower than it's ever been.
01;23;51;14 - 01;24;07;04
It. Oh, the last few years have like gone up and down a little bit, but it's still really far from from being the worst it's ever been. Yeah. It's just hard because we're on a 24. Well we're on a 24 hour news cycle and everybody here mongers. So you know everything all the time like you think are the worst things.
01;24;07;09 - 01;24;27;27
Yeah. Think about 50 years ago if somebody was killed in the next town over, you probably would even know. Now we know when anybody in the fucking world dies, we can be aware. Yeah, yeah. No, that's a good point. That said, it is a movie and they are the bad guys. And I think it's important to establish how bad they are, especially for the comeuppance that they ultimately get.
01;24;28;02 - 01;24;56;08
Yeah. And the satisfaction of getting there. So yeah, this was also 30 years ago. Yeah, totally. This is before Columbine. Real weird. Yeah. Three years. But this, this sort of flashback vision that Frank is seeing in the hospital gave me Natural Born Killers vibes because, like, not only like, what they're doing, but even just the look of the way they filmed it, like, everything's, like, kind of glowy in this way.
01;24;56;11 - 01;25;15;01
Natural Born Killers with his camera, he gets he gets really, you know, like some cases you hear, it's like the camera's kind of hidden. He's the kind of filmmaker where he kind of wants to see it. He wants to show you. Yeah. Well, it's really interesting that it's probably the darkest point of the movie, but it's the brightest, like.
01;25;15;04 - 01;25;48;09
Yeah. Oh, it's the summer of wait. It's. Oh, here we go. What do we got? Yeah. Anderson, just hang on one second. You just wait here. Your little. You just hold your little touches. You just, Listeners, we're all holding our tootsies just to give you a visual. Oh, damn. Okay. I thought there was going to be a, connection here because we were talking about Natural Born Killers, directed by Oliver Stone.
01;25;48;11 - 01;26;08;24
Dee Wallace in this movie is credited as Dee Wallace Stone. And I was like, wait, were they together? I was like, well, she was she married to Al Oliver? Was she married to Oliver Stone? But no, she wasn't. She was married to someone named Christopher Stone. So never mind, never mind. Oh, well, Dee Wallace, we still love you, listeners.
01;26;08;24 - 01;26;27;28
You heard it here. It just isn't it. But. Okay, let's jump to our 11th reveal. Lucy now sees Johnny. She doesn't actually see him, but she's, the he's in the walls again. He's in the walls, and he's in the carpet, and he comes up from the ground, and he. He grabs her, and there's a there's a struggle.
01;26;27;28 - 01;26;52;25
So that's her first time meeting this. Wait. How can she see him? Oh, she can see him because he he's physically altering the the carpet and stuff, right. Yeah. He's not there. He's he's trembling. Graboid. He's Graboid thing. Yeah. I don't get the rest because it's like in tremors when they're running down the thing in the, the.
01;26;52;25 - 01;27;17;10
So yeah. It's like yeah. I was like think of that. I'm also just trying to, talk about tremors past episodes. We've done, tremors, we've done, Flatliners. Maybe we'll do K-pop demon hunters. We don't know. Yeah. Oh, yeah. If we ever get to K-pop demon hunters. I actually don't know much about K-pop demon hunters, but if we do get to be honest, if we did like a gateway horror, I don't know if you guys have seen it.
01;27;17;10 - 01;27;36;01
Zach similar I haven't, but, keep up demon ups. But yeah, keep up. Demon hunters is a, definitely good if you want to get your kids into, like, horror movies, K-pop Demon Hunters is a great way to do it. Okay, I have seen K-pop demon hunters. Did you like it? Yeah, I cried, I like the music.
01;27;36;01 - 01;27;54;09
Oh, I cry, I cry every time I hear this is what it sounds like. It's on and on. And every time it comes on. Okay. Think. Yeah. We have to watch this movie. This is a good keep up. I'm not. I know we're being funny, but like, K-pop demon hunters is like a tight script. Like, there was a point where I was like, okay, I don't think this is my kind of movie.
01;27;54;09 - 01;28;23;04
It's entertaining. Then everything starts wrapping up. In the end, I'm like, son of a bitch. Writers know what they're doing. This is tight. K-pop demon Hunters is like, okay, well, you guys are 12th reveal. Everything kind of happens really quickly at this point. Everything converges on this old hospital where, all these crimes took place, and you've got Dammers and you've got Patricia, and you've got Johnny's ghost, and you got everybody coming together.
01;28;23;06 - 01;28;43;15
And, in our 12th reveal, Johnny and Patricia get taken to hell by the what they call the express bus to hell in, is what, the one of the ghost. What do we call it? Frank is dead. Frank goes up to heaven. He's hanging with Cyrus and, Stuart. Stuart here.
01;28;44;08 - 01;29;01;03
And Johnny and Patricia get taken to hell. Which, I have to say, I think I was confusing this with another movie. And maybe you guys can help me remember what it was. I thought Johnny was going to abandon Patricia like, and she was going to be like, wait, you didn't really care for me. You really did love each other.
01;29;01;10 - 01;29;26;16
So I will give them that. They loved each other. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if it was worth it because doesn't work out for them to go little. Yeah, yeah. But then all of a sudden, Frank gets revived. He doesn't get. I just don't I don't get it. But. Okay. I think it's just God powers. I think it's part of his redemption arc.
01;29;26;18 - 01;29;47;14
God's like. Yeah, yeah, you redeem yourself. And what is it? I know you think that death is the only thing that I'm good at, but actually, I'm also good at life. Well, because for a big part of this movie, you're led to believe that he doesn't care about anything, right? Yeah. You know what I mean? And then, even so, I think it's Cyrus that says, like, get to live in, like, do some living or down there.
01;29;47;17 - 01;30;10;10
Yeah. Well, yeah. I said earlier, there's a quote judge says, death is no way to make a living. Yeah. Just a great line. And it is, it just shows how cold he is about it. And the fact that he, if you know, okay maybe I'll profit off of it if nothing else. Yeah. Yeah yeah. And then doesn't want more people to die.
01;30;10;13 - 01;30;25;10
Yeah. Yeah. No he does make it. That's also like we're also kind of booked right now. Like we're kind of at capacity. You are lucky you died at just the right time, but, Oh, we just sold our last room. Oh.
01;30;25;12 - 01;30;57;21
Peter is the, stairway to Heaven still open? Can we send him back down? And. Yeah. That's it. That's frighteners. Him and Lucy are now a thing, and Lucy can now see dead people, and, Ooh. When did the Sixth Sense come out? Oh, my God, 1997 oh 99. He did. They did. Lucy and Frank have a kid?
01;30;57;23 - 01;31;24;09
Wait a second. Oh, wait. Second is Lucy Tony Cox. He was older than that. And Toni Collette is not Lucy. Okay, okay, okay. Toni Collette is Lucy. Movies b movies, movies, b movies. All right, I will let movies. Other movies, same movie, all movies be connected. Yeah. That's frighteners. We get a great cover of Don't Fear the Reaper at the end.
01;31;24;12 - 01;31;42;04
Which which, you know, I've talked before about how much I love a good song on the credits and if a movie if I don't really love a movie, it can make a movie that much better. And I'll, like, go back and watch this. This is one of them where it was like, fuck this. This ending is so great with the the song.
01;31;42;04 - 01;32;04;28
And she's got the she's got the with the like, she's like being like that motion whatever. I was like, oh man. That's when I was like kind of going back, like I'm so conflicted because I want to love this movie so much. Anyways, second, God, guys, I'm I'm not mad about it. A lot of scream references, but, scream also has a cover of Don't Fear the Reaper.
01;32;04;29 - 01;32;30;08
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Does that play better when they're like, about to plan the party? No, it's it's very subtle. It's it's an acoustic. Very. It doesn't sound like don't feel. It's in the bedroom lyrics. Yes. Yeah. It's like dude. When when Billy comes up to climb to the window like I saw The Exorcist reminded me of.
01;32;30;09 - 01;32;54;13
Yeah. Okay. Okay guys that's frighteners. It is. Now this is about the time I, I this is a green slime and that sprayed with the crucifix. It was one time Bobby just. All right, now it's time to pick our favorite monster reveals in The Frighteners.
01;32;54;16 - 01;33;14;19
So here we go. This is going to be a speed round recap of our 12 reveals from The Frighteners. And you know what? You know, sometimes I've got alternate titles for these, sometimes I don't. It seems to be that I don't have them when we have a guest. So I think that's how we're going to play this, because guests sometimes don't want to put up with my bullshit.
01;33;14;19 - 01;33;46;02
So, guest you get enough, you get enough. You got us. You don't need some gimmicks. So we're going to play this, when we don't have a guest, I'm going to throw some alternate titles at you. So here we go. Here's our speedrun recap. Number one, the monster through the walls. In the house opening, also known as Freddy number two, we see John Charles Bartlett in the flashback news footage, also known as Gary.
01;33;46;04 - 01;34;11;01
You're out doing yourself six. Once again. Thank you. Gary, for those of you who not know who they don't know, Gary Busey is the father of Jake Busey, who played John Charles Bartlett. Number three, Frank sees the spirit in the bathroom with the guy. Mark 38, also known as Occupied. Occupied. You know, like, if I guess someone knocks on the door and you don't know what to.
01;34;11;01 - 01;34;25;10
If I can say. Oh, you say you said here, just a minute. Someone's in here. Give me a second. I'm almost done. Ocupado. No. Oh. What about, you die.
01;34;25;12 - 01;34;31;09
Instead of occupied.
01;34;31;22 - 01;34;50;20
I just love that space. That's going to be a movie about an octopus who died in the toilet and somebody called archetype. Oh, my God, that is like, someone's in here. And then the door opens and they kill it, and it's like, oh, he just got died. It's like, all over again. You died like toilet deaths, squid monsters, possession.
01;34;52;02 - 01;35;18;07
Is it time? No, it's time for our fourth reveal. This is the car chase slash shootout in the, museum. Also known as a scary thing happened on the way to the mummy orgy. Prompt number five is race. It's the house that looks like death. Also known as. Glad I didn't put the 16,000 into that investment.
01;35;18;09 - 01;35;37;07
Okay. Troy. Casey, you don't look, You don't look like you're enjoying this. He's. He's calling that. It's. No, if you want to be honest, I didn't even hear what that said. I'm trying to make plans about when I'm leaving. Oh, so we're not the number one. So, are you recording this show and not even paying attention?
01;35;37;09 - 01;36;09;15
Yeah. Number six, you have to repeat number five. No, I don't. Could you please repeat number five? So you can do a fake laugh? Okay. Remember, face is nice. Number five. Ray sees that the house looks like death. Also known as. Glad I didn't put the 16,000 into that investment. What an asshole. Right. Number six, Lucy finds the box cutter in the closet.
01;36;09;15 - 01;36;38;20
Also known as. Oh, I've been looking for this number seven. Yeah, they don't even fucking make sense. They have been. They're just, like, responses to the reveals instead of, like, an alternate title for their bills. Just like a response to the reveal. Number seven. Ray sees death and it cuts them in half. Also known as death takes Ray's face.
01;36;40;26 - 01;37;11;00
I want to take his face. Number three. It hides the drill sergeant sees death. Oh, no. Also known as. Is that ectoplasm? No. It's ketchup. Heinz. Ketchup. Heinz. Yeah. Number nine. Yeah. We know. God, I'm glad we don't have a guess for these. Number two, Frank sees number nine. Frank sees that death is actually Johnny Bartlet, also known as Jerry.
01;37;16;16 - 01;37;48;24
And if you don't know, that's a callback to our second reveal. Number ten, Patricia is revealed to be Johnny's accomplice. Accomplish accomplice? Accomplice. Johnny's accomplice. Patricia. Also known as Patty. More like baddie. Number 11. I just try to move on really quickly to the next one, so I save the embarrassment. Number 11, Lucy sees Johnny come out of the carpet.
01;37;48;27 - 01;38;19;00
Also known as Johnny Carpet Runner. Bartlet, also known as a hole runner. And then, our final reveal. Number 12. The hell snake comes up and gets Johnny and Patricia, also known as the Butthole Snake. Okay. What is your favorite reveal in The Frighteners? Casey, let's start with you. This is your movie. Mine is Freddy versus.
01;38;19;02 - 01;38;42;22
Okay. Yeah, I don't know. I just really like the very b. I love this whole movie. I do, yeah, I love everything about it, to be quite honest. That I love the beginning. I don't know, because other than The Haunting, which I think came out after this movie. Yeah. Yeah. You don't I don't know, I don't think I've ever seen that, you know, I mean, I haven't seen, every horror movie.
01;38;42;23 - 01;39;07;17
Rosalie. But I don't think I've ever seen it done that way, and I just really like it. Okay, okay. No, Danny. Oh, it's a good point. I'm. I'm split as I usually am. Just like, hey, you know what? I'm gonna. I'm gonna go with Haynes in the graveyard. Is that ectoplasm? No. It's ketchup. Because it's such a gas, silly.
01;39;07;22 - 01;39;27;19
It encompasses a lot of, like, the tone and energy of this movie. Yeah, and it's batshit, but it also is fun, so. Yeah. Okay, although I would my runner up would probably be Freddy. Yeah. The opening of this movie is really good. Yeah, for me, it's a three way tie. It's not a three way tie. I just have to take one.
01;39;28;01 - 01;39;53;13
I'm between. Okay. I'm between a three way and Gary. And occupied was very, very, No, the open I almost I occupied was in my three two. That's a good scene. I think I I'm going to go with occupied which is Frank sees the spirit in the bathroom because this is like, I don't know, it was kind of, you get the him coming out of the wall, you see the the ghosts effects of it.
01;39;53;13 - 01;40;17;11
All right. But also it's pretty dark at the same time. My other I also wanted to go with number two, which is when we see the news footage of the old killings, because it was so dark, you know, yeah. And I'm going to go three occupied in the bathroom. Final answer. Done. So you're going with your gut.
01;40;17;11 - 01;40;31;22
But that character was going because of his gut. That's right, that's right. Good one. Poop jokes. Thank you. Now it's time for a segment that we like to call the real monster.
01;40;31;24 - 01;40;56;22
This one's easy, Danny. Go ahead. That's so easy. Oh, it's so easy. Go ahead. Oh, it's fine. I will watch right when Ashley Judd says no. Judge saying I like it when they still like that. Yeah. Is like supposed to be a laugh. Yeah. It's so gross. And I'm not trying to be like I don't know. It's just so discomforting.
01;40;56;22 - 01;41;16;15
I didn't like it. It may even the scene like also like the physical humor of it or I'm putting air quotes humor of it when he's like, you just see his butt jumping up and down. Yeah. To the sarcophagus, It's just like, so weird to watch in general. Yeah, this whole sequence I didn't think I was. Yeah.
01;41;16;18 - 01;41;35;18
Judge was like, oh, that's fine. Yeah, that's the thing is, like, it's played very cartoonishly, so it's hard not to laugh at someone's butt going up and down. Yeah. But when you like, consider the like when it's happening and then his line of like okay judge you need to. And then he does die. And I'd say like, okay, you need to pass that.
01;41;35;18 - 01;41;56;21
You've been here to lost. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's, good. Real monster. Casey, what do you got? Well, mine was Ray, which I thought was obvious. Yeah, I thought Danny was going to say Ray also, but. Yeah. Me too. But I was like, I guess I guess the old western ghosts doesn't get a break. Yeah.
01;41;56;21 - 01;42;21;01
Ray was just horrible. It's funny to me. I really enjoy when a man can write a character understanding how horrible men can be like that. You know what I mean? Because a lot. Well, Peter Jackson did co-write this with his wife. Yeah. Oh, really? So maybe there is. I'm sure she had. Yeah, yeah, because originally Ray was the hero.
01;42;21;03 - 01;42;41;08
She's like, no, no, no, you can't do that. So because a lot of the, a lot of the stuff that he did was very like is supposed to be very just accepted by people. You know what I mean? And it's just like how men are and I mean, yes. Yeah, I think about that. Zack and I area.
01;42;41;11 - 01;43;01;18
Yeah. But yeah, it's just one of those things that's just supposed to be tolerated. And like, this is just how it is, you know? But it's really not. It's men that are just horrible and shitty and and, you know, like you talked about, about how quickly their relationship with what's in front of Lucy and Frank progress.
01;43;01;18 - 01;43;27;13
But, I mean, to be realistic, she's probably been done with Frank for years or not Frank. She's probably been done Ray, for years. She probably. They probably fucking hate each other. But she can't leave for one reason or another. It doesn't feel comfortable leaving for one reason or another. So yeah, she mentioned in the, in the, not exactly that, but when she's sitting in that scene in the bedroom is they're talking about young love or something, and why Patricia helped him or whatever.
01;43;27;13 - 01;43;43;10
And, and Lucy said something about like, oh, she probably just fell in wrong with the fell in love with the wrong guy or something like that. She's like, it happens. And then you see the look on her face. Yep. And it's like in that same scene where Ray like she's saying something and Ray puts his finger up to be like, yep, stop talking.
01;43;43;11 - 01;44;04;22
I was like, no. And then he tries to be on cue and like, this is weird. Like kiss his or try to have sex with her. He tries to have sex with her after that. Yeah. Fucked up. Yeah. He's gross. My real monster is Ray for all of those things. But before we even got to that, I marked him as my real monster before that scene even happened.
01;44;05;09 - 01;44;26;29
You marked him, too. Oh. Like Johnny, when Frank runs over the gate, in the fence, in the in the first bit in Frank and Ray's yelling at him, and he's like, Frank gives him his card that has his number on it, right? And then Ray rips it up and throws it away to be like, fuck you.
01;44;27;01 - 01;44;45;18
And then as Frank drives away Ray's like, hey I got your license plate number. And he's like, dude, he gave you his contact information. You don't need to hunt him down or like do whatever. Like he gave it to you. Ripped it up, dummy. Yeah. I hope that was deliberate, because it's funny. Yeah, I didn't think of it like so.
01;44;45;18 - 01;45;09;01
And then, you know, not part of the real monster, but with what? The with the gate thing. When Frank comes back to exercise the house that he's is conning him out of, he runs over the other part of the gate. And I just think that's funny. That's great. And then I do have the police for open firing on unarmed people and, necrophilia as well.
01;45;09;03 - 01;45;32;17
That's pretty gross. I do, so here's the thing. Like, because of the, the, the the levity of that part of the movie and judge and all that stuff, I wasn't thinking about it as being it's not necrophilia technically, because he is a ghost. But, I do think that necrophilia, just to be clear, I do think that necrophilia is probably one of the most disgusting things that you can do.
01;45;32;18 - 01;45;55;21
Yeah, it's pretty gross. Let's you guys know. And yet you didn't include it because it's not. He's a good. That's funny. Okay, time for our final segment. Would you survive Peter Jackson's The Frighteners?
01;45;55;23 - 01;46;22;02
There's no way to hell. Yeah, it's. Yeah, this is a tough one. The I guess, like, anyway, we were marked. I guess it's kind of just for Fox. Yeah. I mean, there's no rhyme or reason. They were just killing random people. So. Yeah, it's it's because of the. Yeah. So random. Yeah. There's I would just say no in the context of are we asking if we've been marked.
01;46;22;04 - 01;46;44;27
Yeah. And then maybe it's, it's this is. Yeah. It's kind of a hard one to answer because. Yeah. You know who came up with this segment. Yeah. Death will come for us all. But whether we're. Yeah, I don't know, because like Casey said, there's no rhyme or reason. Like, you don't know that. Like, if these people did anything bad or if they were just.
01;46;44;29 - 01;47;13;14
But since we find out who they are, they were just killing it. Random. Yeah. Oh well, guys that's it. Death man. That's the frighteners. That's our first movie in our industry. We all oh monsters travel feature. This is having the effect I wanted it to have. Or it's just fun to say I love Broad City, so, I never really got into it for no reason.
01;47;13;15 - 01;47;32;27
I every time I see a clip, I laugh. But I just know it's so funny. Yeah, yeah, I've seen a few episodes on the blazer. It's like she's like one of my celebrity crushes. I'm just. Yeah. If you guys are fans of The Frighteners, let us know that. You guys, the fucking listeners, if, listeners, if you're fans of The Frighteners, the Peter Jackson, Michael J.
01;47;32;27 - 01;47;55;25
Fox movie that we just talked about, let us know. Find us on social media, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, even Apple podcast reviews. They're out there. You can type them up, reviews on Spotify, all that kind of stuff. Isn't it weird that review rhymes with boo and we do a horror movie. That is very weird. Yeah. Damn.
01;47;56;13 - 01;48;13;12
So let us know if you like The Frighteners. If you want to see The Frighteners turned into an anthology series. As we mentioned previously, that would be cool too. Just let us know. Is it just an idea? And if our listeners want to find you guys on social media, where can they do that? I am on Instagram at Wolf Mother, Casey.
01;48;13;14 - 01;48;38;07
Awesome. Danny, I'm on Instagram, blue Sky and Letterboxd at my name Danny Selim. That's Danny Salemi to memes like the candy melt in your butt, not in your hands. Wonderful. And you can find me on social media at zeroand. Sick. And you can also find us on Patreon at Patreon.com. Slash how I Met Your Monster. And get in on that so you can listen to our fun commentary episodes.
01;48;38;19 - 01;51;45;11
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