We kick off our DEVILS & DICKS triple feature with William Peter Blatty’s Pazuzu-possessed police procedural. The murders are a mystery, the local priests are history, and George C. Scott needs to cool it with all the screaming as we gumshoe our way through Washington DC to meet the ritualistic Gemini Killer in THE EXORCIST III.
The Exorcist III (1990) kicks off our Devils & Dicks triple feature! We dive into William Peter Blatty's underrated horror sequel that trades demonic possession for police procedural tension - well, mostly.
Lieutenant Kinderman (George C. Scott) investigates a series of brutal murders that match the M.O. of the Gemini Killer, who died in the electric chair 15 years ago. His investigation leads him to a psychiatric ward and a mysterious patient who claims to be both the Gemini Killer and Father Damien Karras.
What We Cover:
The Debate:
Is The Exorcist III better than the original? We discuss why this film's dreadful tone and procedural approach might actually make it superior, even if it doesn't have the cultural impact of Friedkin's classic.
Behind the Scenes Drama:
We unpack the production chaos—how Jason Miller's health issues led to Brad Dourif's casting (then recasting), why Father Morning was added for the theatrical cut, and whether the director's cut ending would've been more powerful.
Eight Official Reveals:
From Father Kanavan's confessional booth murder to Mrs. Clelia crawling on the ceiling, we rank all eight monster introductions and pick our favorites.
Next Time:
We continue Devils & Dicks with Se7en (1995) - David Fincher's masterpiece of detective horror!
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Today we kick off our Devil's and Dicks triple feature with William Peter Blatty. Pazuzu possessed police procedural. The murders are a mystery. The local priests are history, and George C Scott needs to cool it with all the screaming. As we gumshoe our way through Washington, D.C., to meet the ritualistic Gemini Killer in The Exorcist three. You're listening to how I Met Your Monster.
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A podcast that explores the introductions to your favorite movie, monsters. My name is Zak. I'm Danny, and I'm Casey. And together, we dive into the world of horror to find out how filmmakers have introduced us to our favorite monsters time and time again. This is how I met your most.
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Welcome to how I Met Your Monster, the show where we discuss the introductions to your favorite movie monsters. Yeah we do.
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Yeah, we do, we do. We do. We do. It's time for a new triple feature. Devils and dicks. My two favorite things. Satan and Matthew's. Oh. I wish it was like the sex so well. Well, we don't need to get into that, right? You like the sack part the best? You're a sack man.
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I only like one sack, you know, like the. You know, there's just the one. Just the one. There's, like, when you're like a and so like a heist movie, and there's, like, the bag man is like the sack man. What does he do? He just fondle balls just to, you know, build morale, I guess. Yeah. Get everybody fondle you fondle the the the sack, man.
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Find those balls to, like, distract all the people in the bank. What about it? Go get them. Just no idea what's going on. Finally, it's like no one will ever see you rob a bank if you have someone else fondle someone else's balls. It's just a fact. It's like, No. Guys, devils and dicks. We're talking about devils and cops like detectives.
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Dicks. Because this is this triple feature is all about detectives and some kind of, like, religious religious mystery going on. Yeah. Or, you know, I would say the. Yeah. That's what it is. Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Not exactly. But today we're talking about The Exorcist three also known as the Legion. Following a long tradition on our show of doing the sequel, first before the original.
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Yeah. Following the long legacy of movies like House two, the second story.
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And our energy in that episode, that commentary alone for scream, we'll give you just as much energy. It's not more than, a cup of coffee. Absolutely. Yeah. You'll be so jazzed up for scream seven. Man. I'm just up. Scream seven. That's how excited I am. So you're the sack, man. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's what they call it.
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That's also they call Jason and Friday the 13th part two. Oh, yeah. So that's what the potato sack. Yeah. That's what the heist guy does. He wears a but he dresses up as Jason from part two and fondle the balls as they continue the heist. Okay, we're done guys. We're in for that. What if Jason. No, we're not done.
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What if Jason said in part two it was like, wrinkly and had, like, hairs on it? Oh no, no, no sack, no. He doesn't even trim the the mask. Oh, God. I imagine the little maintenance balls, but I will say it here, folks, trimming your balls is maybe the easiest thing to do on this. I'm just kidding. I was gonna say this is quite arguably one of the most difficult things.
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Yeah, let's talk about it. Let's talk about Exorcist three. Guys, there was a bombshell. Okay? I watched this movie twice. Oh, like in a row? Yeah. Why? Oh, there's two versions of this movie. Wait, you saw that? I didn't know the other one was around. I watched the the theatrical cut on Amazon. Right. And then on Tubi, they have one that's called Exorcist three Legion.
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And it's like a completely different movie. Well, I had heard that that's like the preferred version, but I was under the impression it wasn't available. Well. So the it's not available in like a full intact. So what I'm getting at is that all the scenes that are different are like copied from like an old VHS copy, I guess, like the original footage was either like destroyed or lost or something.
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And so when William Peter Blatty put together this original like director's cut, he had to use footage from like, that's like, not good footage. And so they put it together. You can watch it, but it's like, you know, you'll be watching, like, mastered really nice footage, and then it cuts to like, VHS kind of stuff, and then it goes back to the other.
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So, that's really I knew there was some heat on set with, because we with William Peter Blatty, who wrote The Exorcist and the sequel Legion, which this movie's based on. He directed the movie. So you would think you would have some pool. But yeah, there was a lot of, contention order toward to borrow a phrase from a from the moderns, like, guys, some heated rivalry.
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Oh, yeah. No, no, no, it wasn't right. This heated, it was heated. To half borrow, that they wanted it to be more of a bit of what it is, what it is in the current theatrical release. And he wanted it to be closer to the book, which didn't, as far as I am aware, I've read the first Exorcist book, but not Legion, that there isn't either not an emphasis or just no exorcisms in general in the book.
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Yeah, well, we'll get into it as we go through. I'm going to tell you, like the things that are different, but just in general. Father morning from the theatrical cut with like, the priest in the hole. He's just gone. His. Which makes sense because he just shows up kind of in the movie. Very. His character is not in the movie, and there's no big exorcism set piece at the end.
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Yeah, but we'll talk about it. Yeah, we'll talk about it. It's just it does feel off like there's almost aside from the title and like the origins, I guess there's no real precedent in terms of the narrative. Right? Right. Interesting. Yeah. Okay. So they get into it. There was things about it that I liked and things that I didn't like.
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And when I say I watched it two times in a row, when I watched it the second time, I fast forwarded it until I saw the parts that you'd already seen. And then I watched that. Well, yeah. And I did it like, you know how you can see, like the preview as you're scrubbing through. And so it went like 10s at a time.
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So whenever I noticed something was different, I watched it. But all the other things, all the other pieces were the same. So, but we'll talk about it. But first, have you guys seen this movie before watching it for this episode? Yeah. Yeah, I don't remember. I don't have like an interesting story, but I do remember when I watched it.
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Oh, I do know it was a few years ago I was doing a, I was binging all the Exorcist movies and had only seen the first and then the prequel from like 2003. Okay. Yeah. Was I know we're not here to criticize, but I think this is a pretty common takeaway. I thought the sequel was just insanely silly.
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So then, yeah, it's I think there's a general it's thing that people are like, why did this? How did this happen? It's so like, it's it is, I would argue maybe so bad. It's funny to watch. So maybe one or at least watch clips on YouTube. You liked it, I did this. I'm not a huge fan of the original.
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Here. This is so, Oh, yeah, this is it I like I like this one so much more than the first one. Yeah, this one's pretty good. Yeah, I do love. I think the first one's my favorite. Can you. What is it about the second one that does it for you. Is it the second or what? It. Oh never mind.
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I was talking about the one that came out in 2023. Oh. Which I have, I actually haven't seen. Oh, Danny. Danny, you just said that you saw it. Well, he kind of. I see what I see what? You got confused. He said that he saw the original one and then one that was made. You said in like 20.
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Oh, yeah. The something 20, 20 something or whatever. Then he jumped and he said the sequel is no good, whatever. And so I see where you kind of confuse. But he's talking about Exorcist two. Heretic. Oh, I haven't seen that with Linda Blair, which came out at and you should watch some like, YouTube clips. There's some scenes that are just like, what are you watching?
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What is this? It's so stupid. Yeah. But I was pleasantly surprised when I then put on this one and was like, oh, because everything I loved about it is actually very on brand with the theme of our triple feature was the whole procedural element, but you get a little bit of in the first movie with the same character.
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So I don't know if this was we didn't talk about this yet, but Kinderman, played by George C Scott, his characters in both novels and in the original movie, just, he's obviously not the emphasis. And Father Dyer also. Oh, is he is in the original one. Yeah, at least at the end, I think. Oh, okay. Oh, that makes sense.
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I guess I just didn't know the name because, you know, they end with a spoiler alert if you haven't seen the original Exorcist. Reagan and her mom go to the car and the priest kind of, like, sees them off, so. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, I think that's, if I'm not mistaken, that's Father Dyer in, in that one.
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But, I watched this at Brooks last night, and she was like, you know, editing our Godsmack video for the first half. So for the first half of the movie. So then she came down and sat down and she was like, playing her switch while, like, finishing this movie. And then at the end, she was like, what a boring movie.
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And I was like.
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Yes. You didn't pay attention to it. It was what it's like, the only I don't think so. Well, it's funny because I saw this when I was a kid, and I remember not liking it because I was bored. There's a lot of dialog because there's those huge monologues, but it's so it's. Oh, yeah, watching it now, it's it's, it's incredible.
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And, you know, you said you like this better than the original. And I was thinking that last night I was like, I think I like this better. But then I was like, thinking about, like, moments from the original and I'm like, oh, it's tough. It's really tough. The original one, I. I like this a lot more than the original one.
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With the original one, I have a more like. I remember the first time I watched the original one. Now this one I didn't see until the last few years either. But the original one I remember, I was at Stacy's house and this is like, so such a weird memory to have, but we were, like, getting ready to watch it, you know, and we were like, 11 or 12 years old, and she lived this was, you know, very early 2000, maybe 2000, 2001.
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And she lived down the street from this like garage that had a soda machine outside of it. So we took the four Wheeler down to the soda machine to get sodas before the movie, because we lived in the middle of nowhere, you know, and stuff, I don't know. So I just remember that. And then I remember watching it and being very, like, freaked out at that age, you know what I mean?
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Core memory right there. Yeah. And then as I watched it when I got older, I was like, it's fine, but yeah, yeah, no, no, I, I love I love the original. I mean it's there's just something about this one that is this one feels it's interesting to say because it's probably won't make sense, but this one feels heavier to me.
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The tones of it feel, much more dreadful, I guess. Well, you don't really get a lot of time. The whole like structure of the original is look at this family unit that's already kind of broken. Get destroyed. Yeah. And how does it survive that? Yes. This one is like. It's funny. Like, I feel like I should like this one more.
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It's not that I don't like it, I just love I mean, The Exorcist is one of my favorite movies of all time. Just something about it. There's something about the tone. There's something about, I mean, Ellen Burstyn in that movie is, I know everyone loves Linda Blair, as they should. She's incredible. But Ellen Burstyn is just on another level.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. But I love the the the like the police procedural parts of this movie. I love the I love a movie. We have to solve a mystery. You don't really get that in the first one. You're just watching a guy kinderman fumble a mystery because we know what he doesn't know, which is fun. But yeah, this one.
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I don't know what point I was trying to make, but I like yeah, I think they're I think they're really good as I know this franchise is sweeping and there's a lot of I mean, we already are tripped up on like which movie is which because there's one, two, three the prequel, the other prequel that they can then rereleased.
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Then there's the David Gordon Green the TV series, and then there's the new Mike Flanagan one coming out. It's and I'm sure I missed something. If you just pair Exorcist with this, then you have like a nice little now franchise. But I don't know what what do you call it? Two part series. You have a nice complete trilogy.
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There you go. That's better. You have a beginning and an end. Yeah. Even this movie standing alone would be. Do you know. I mean, if the first. It were very clear that. Yeah. And I think what helps is the whole Gemini killer element is having that as like this throughline. Yeah. And so in the director's cut it doesn't change between Father Karras and Gemini.
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It's just all Brad Dourif. Oh there's no like he plays like Father Karras. Because there's a scene with that scene in the diner where he is after they go see it's a wonderful Life and Kinderman and Dyer sitting in the the booth and they're talking, there's an extended scene like that's extended in the director's cut, where they look at a picture on the wall of a bunch of priests.
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And the priest in the picture is Brad Dourif, and they're like, oh, I can't believe it's been 15 years. And they're like, yeah, I miss him too. So like, you're led to believe that. Like, that's just him, right? So that's interesting. And it opens. So did you cut the movie you watched? Did it open with just like guys rolling down the river?
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Yeah. In the director's cut, it opens with Father Karras the night of when he died down the stairs, and he's laying on the table in, like, the morgue or whatever. And the doctors are, like, confirming him dead. And look, it doesn't look like. Get rid of Jason Miller. It looks like Brad Dourif. Right? And I'm like, that's kind of strange.
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But then, like, Kinderman comes up and, like, lays his hand on his chest, basically said like, goodbye. And then, yeah, I don't think the red door, but wouldn't that that makes less sense just because then you think that they changed the person who was playing that character? Yeah. I mean, it's exactly it's interesting because it's on one hand, I appreciate them trying to treat the audience as like intelligent, smart.
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Yeah, I think it's you, but I think it's too much. You know, like you have to give us something because you see, that's a great point. So I guess what happened and this is according to, interview with Brad Dourif, they wanted to get Jason Miller, who plays Father Karras in the original movie. According to Brad Dourif, he was alcoholic.
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And so they're like, I don't think he can do the scenes. And so they shot everything with Brad Dourif. And then the producers were like, hey, we're getting Jason Miller for this. Something to do with marketing or advertising or something? So they said, hey, we're basically cutting you out of the movie, and we're redoing stuff with Jason Miller.
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Well, then he couldn't do it like he couldn't. His memory was no, like he couldn't say the lines. He couldn't say like the long monologues. So then William Peter Blatty called Brad Dourif back and he was like, hey, we want you to come back and reshoot some scenes like. And so then they kind of blended the two together because it ended up perfect, I think.
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Yeah, it's actually it's Jason Miller's performance, but I don't want it to be a but Brad Dourif is incredible too. It's. Yeah, yeah, but I agree. I actually think it I don't mind it as it it's like the stitching I get it, you know like oh yeah like visual and it's kind of cool. You know, it's cool. It cuts back in with which I do, I do have a preference cuts, but you're seeing both of them.
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I love the cutting back and forth. It's confusing to me when they replace an actor. Yeah. You know, and it's you just supposed to believe that it's that character. Yeah. Especially something like that where like a really well known character, like in The Exorcist. Right. So then it's kind of it throws me off. So I love the cutting back and forth, but I do love the ending of the director's cut better without the exorcism.
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I'm excited to hear about this. Yeah. Yeah I think this movie it's it's interesting. It's coming off of the heels of, when you think of it like following up The Exorcist and Exorcist, the Heretic, which was like such a dip in quality, you could tell, or at least the impression I got from it was that they were like, hey, you know, The Exorcist is a very highly respected, respected book.
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It's an A, it's an Oscar winning movie. Like, let's bring it back to that level of filmmaking. There are some moments where I could almost see them tripping up over that pressure a little bit. Some of the movie can feel very serious, and they're going for that very grounded, like tonally, like they want that very lived in, relationship building, character building thing.
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But they're also covering a lot of like, really dark shit right out of the gate. So I think, tonally it kind of can be a little bit of a challenge, but it's great. It's just that. Plus, you know, the studio interference and you have William Peter Blatty obviously has a different understanding and connection to the source material.
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So it's it makes sense, sadly, you know, that, like what we're talking about is a thing. But yeah, I think ultimately it's, it ends up being successful. But. Yeah. Yeah. So he must like, you know, he shot it this way and then the like you said, the studio interference, they must have been like, we need an exorcism in this movie because of.
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Of what? It, you know, what a bummer. And I don't like how everyone says, like, the ending. Like the big set piece in the cell with all like that. It's like silly. Like it's like a, I guess George C Scott when they were filming it, I guess he said, like, if Madonna doesn't pop up out of here, like, what are we doing?
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Because it's just so like over the top and, and TV stuff and, but I don't mind it. I thought it was terrible. I agree, I don't think it's bad. It's just the thing that throws me and maybe does. Father morning. Does he show up earlier in the movie or am I did I erase him or does he just show up kind of like toward that part?
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No, he shows up. There's multiple scenes with him throughout. The video is confusing him with someone else because when he shows up, mike, I think it's like kind of broke a little bit. I think it's like the halfway point because they, like, he's, Kinderman is talking to, a priest, and they mentioned father. Morning. And then a little bit later you see him in his room and there's like the thing with the bird, right?
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Oh, that's a bird in the box. And then it dies, and then the crucifix falls off the wall. And then there's another scene where you see him do something and there's like 3 or 4 scenes with him, and then the and then the, the finale. Okay. Something about it. So it just felt. Yeah, it just felt rushed, but it was also like, wasn't bad, I don't know.
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Right. Yeah. I don't mind it. I see I see why he would have not wanted that in there. It's like you're at a, you're at a dance party and there's like a clear theme, you know, and you're like, jamming to it. And then at the very end, they, the DJ closes it with an like a really good song, but it's so tonally different that you're like, I'm not mad about it, but what are we doing?
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Like, how do we how do you how is that how we're ending this, this this rave. Yeah. Yeah, that's just a little jarring. Just a wonderful metaphor. That's the classic rave metaphor. It can be used in so many scenarios. It's like you're. It's like you're at a it's like you're at a rave that's playing all Marilyn Manson.
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And then they end with the Monroe, and it's like, I get it. Someone had an idea and it just doesn't work. It works on such a granular thematic level and it's not great. Yeah. Execution. Yeah. I do love the gore though, and I know we'll get to it. We're we're kind of jumping. We're doing this. Oh, like in the strokes.
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But yeah, in the finale. Yeah, yeah I was yeah. Oh yeah. Hellraiser vibes. Yeah. Okay. But let's get into it. Let's go to Georgetown. Get on a little rowboat, not a rowboat. What are those things called? It's a it's just a rowing. It's it's not like a it's not like, row, row, row your boat gently down the stream kind of rowboat, but it's like a rowboat.
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That is, if you listen closely, that is what they're singing. It's like under the breaths. But to to embarrass, too. Well, they're like cameras rolling when they start. Like you see them, like running down the street with, like, their boat, and they're like, hep, hep, hep, hep. That's like, what was that? Just all to set the, like the tone of, like, this is like, creepy, like I think so.
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Okay. Just saying it. Yeah. And there's like the helicopter, like, at first, like the helicopters come in, like over the lake. You get a lot of them. Like I was a little kid. I might even have. Yeah. What? What's that? Apocalypse now. Yeah, exactly. Like I've seen this movie, but you get like, seven opening scenes in this movie, and none of them have anything to do with the, but.
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Okay. Yeah. Let's go to Georgetown. Let's go to the staircase. The, do you think that's why George C Scott took the role? He was like, this might be. Oh, he's so good. I, I just is. I will say, before we get into it, I just want to say, because they did recast the role of Kinderman from the first one.
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Yeah. And it's been I read the book, the first book in college. So it's been a while. So I might be conflating the characters, but I remember at least in the movie, Kinderman is a much softer spoken kind of goes against the the obvious idea of what you think of as a detective in his original in The Exorcist one.
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Yeah, I love that they kept the idea that he's like a cinephile and he is like kind of a softy. So it is a little jarring to go from that to George C Scott. However I get it. Like 15 years have passed. He's a little bit more grisly. Maybe his best friend is dead. Yeah. Exactly. Like maybe like the fact that he's like oh shit.
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Like demons exist. Like. Yeah. Go to therapy. Oh my god. Yeah. He's pretty. Oh, but I loved their I loved him and Father Dyer's like back and forth. Like their chemistry was so good. Yeah. It was just like it was like a comedy bit, you know, like they were like a duo. A comedy duo, because they were just like one after the other.
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Like their responses are just so witty and it was just a lot of fun. It's it's it's so charming sometimes almost to a fault. I mean, it's like bad, but it's like it's almost so and this is like, has to do with a lot of the tone and the dialog in this movie. And I don't even mean I'm not even trying to criticize it.
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It just stood out. I'm like, yeah, I see what we're going for. Dial it back. I yeah, it's like, there's no way you guys could keep this going. You're all so consistently it's like the Gilmore Girls. Yeah, yeah, it's the Gilmore Girls of the Exorcist franchise. It's not bad. It's just different. Yeah. That's funny. Yeah. Oh, guys.
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Guess what? Well, for those of you not watching on YouTube, what are you doing? I'm dressed like I'm dressed like a priest. I just took all those keys over. Oh, I got my hair. I got the black hair, and I'm dressed like a demon. Yeah, and Danny's just like, What? I saw picture. And then he's dressed like, Kingdom man's wife.
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That's what I was going like. Who is that? Casey. Foreign. Oh, that's funny, because I was thinking when I said this movie has, like, seven different openings. I was gonna make a dumb joke about. It's. It's like reverse return. Yeah. Return of the King. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't you dare say anything bad about the worst.
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Best movie ever made it. It's pretty good. Which one's the best movie ever made? Return of the King. Oh, you said return of the King. I was just thinking. Oh, I thought you said, you know, ship of the ring. Which was. All right. That's the one. I like the best. Well, that's the only one I've seen. But just kidding.
00;28;15;21 - 00;28;32;20
I saw two and three. I fell asleep during three in the theater. Mostly during three in the theater? Yeah, but it's the longest one. It is the longest one. But it's I don't think I don't think any of them are boring, but a lot of people think The Two Towers is boring because most of it is the travel you know?
00;28;32;20 - 00;28;52;25
I mean, they're still like battles and stuff in it, but, but he skateboards on a shield, you know? I'll have to watch it. I gotta watch him again. I gotta, I, I do, my friend Zach. I do like the first one, but we'll see. You like the first one because I've seen been seen been. Does he do the first one?
00;28;52;27 - 00;29;12;14
Yes. No. Oh, yeah. No I remember, I remember, no I meant you know, he's like he's like, name one movie where Sean Bean dies. He says, he says, take my sword. Which, honestly, it pisses me off that he's part of the fellowship to begin with. To be quite honest, I understand why they did it because they wanted a human right.
00;29;12;14 - 00;29;23;03
And I'm sorry we're not talking about Lord of the rings, but talk about Lord of the rings. I don't understand why he was part of the fellowship to begin with. He's sitting there talking about how they should take the ring from Frodo and keep it and shit like that, and then they're like, you know what? I think it'd be perfect.
00;29;23;05 - 00;29;38;16
You should join the team. Yeah. We need this dynamic. It's too. There's too many. Good. We need the drama. God, we need a little bit more of a challenge for Gandalf. Like, I could use a little drama.
00;29;38;18 - 00;29;57;10
Does he give somebody his sword at the end? Does he say take my sword? Did I make that up? I don't know, yeah, but it's a euphemism. He's, you know, he he says like he says, you have my sword. When they're joining the fellowship, he's like, you want me to take your sword? No, you take my sword, jerk.
00;29;57;10 - 00;30;18;11
My sword. That's in the extended cut. They're like, I don't understand. He's like you. And he's just watching that. He's like, what do you mean? He's like, you know. No. When they're when they're creating the fellowship, he says, you can have my sword, and then you'll have my bow and you can have my ax. Yeah. He said, you can have my sword.
00;30;18;11 - 00;30;26;26
But he didn't, like, explain what he meant and then have the care. If you watch it, actually, you'll see him. He winks every time he says.
00;30;26;29 - 00;30;48;15
When he's done, he's like you said. I said I would give you my sword. I said, you could have a sword. Well, now you've been dead. Why would I want it now? So there's still a little life in there, you know, the human body so set in to rigor mortis and then everything will be all right. Oh, isn't that a scene in this movie where he's like, after you?
00;30;48;17 - 00;31;12;28
He's like, you can date someone for 20s. And he's like, after you die, pretty sure you can still get a hand job for at least 20s, right? I didn't know that. He's like, hurry, I only have 20s. The internet is a wild place.
00;31;13;00 - 00;31;24;08
Well, cut off my head and jerk me off. Let's go, boys town.
00;31;24;10 - 00;31;31;20
And I'm.
00;31;31;23 - 00;31;35;15
A little.
00;31;35;18 - 00;32;01;16
Okay, so for The Exorcist three, we have eight official monster reveals. If you're new to the show, a monster reveal is any time that a monster is revealed to us as the audience or two characters in the movie. An Exorcist three, we can add eight. Now. This was my pick for our Devils and Dick's triple feature, so I'm going to go ahead and read the synopsis from IMDb.
00;32;01;19 - 00;32;25;02
A police lieutenant uncovers more than he bargained for as his investigation of a series of murders which have all the hallmarks. That's a tongue twister which have all the hallmarks of the deceased Gemini serial killer, leads him to question the patients of a psychiatric ward. Okay. I don't know. It's a little. I mean, I don't know what.
00;32;25;02 - 00;32;57;11
I don't know what my IMDb logline would be of this movie, but that one was a little bit, and I guess they're, like, not trying to tie it into the original movie to, like, make it stand on its own. Yeah, I guess I added to the original, let's see. Exorcist three on, Amazon says a hunted homicide detective is confronted by the apparent return of a brutal serial killer he helps send to the electric chair 15 years earlier.
00;32;57;14 - 00;33;21;22
That's better. So it's better, but it's still not. I think they're so afraid of it being an Exorcist movie. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. How do you feel about this? Not to take the stage from you, but on Letterboxd. Welcome to my stage. Come on up. Share your thoughts. Hi, everybody. I'm your special guest for tonight. I'm going to read the Letterboxd, synopsis for The Exorcist three.
00;33;21;25 - 00;33;37;14
Here's here's what I'm thinking. On the 15th anniversary of the exorcism that claimed Father Damien Karras his life, police Lieutenant Kinderman world is once again shattered when a boy is found decapitated and savagely crucified.
00;33;37;16 - 00;34;00;23
See, I almost want to. I almost want to, like, blend a few of these together. Right? The first part is right, but then they need the like, continuing, like, series of things, not just the one kids. Yeah, right. Yeah, well, someday somebody will get there. It's a gift, right? A good synopsis might take another 35 years, but yeah, yeah.
00;34;00;26 - 00;34;43;24
Okay, so our first reveal is the, is Father Canavan. Canavan. Canavan had a cane. Reign. Thought he could have been. You got a man, Father Canavan, in the, confessional booth. And this was awesome. I loved this, genuinely scary. Maybe one of this. Yep. Scary moments in the franchise. Yeah. Spooky. Yeah. You get like, the just like the you see his side, but then you kind of see what he's seeing is just like a black screen in the, in the confessional booth, and that old lady's talking, you know, and then it kind of gets, I guess it is an old lady, because we find out that he's all that.
00;34;43;25 - 00;35;09;25
He's, like possessing all these people to do these murders. Yeah. Okay. So it is an old lady and it reminds me it was the old lady that was walking. I mean it sure was there. She was walking with the other woman, you know, in church. And she's leaving the church when they find him. Dude, now it makes sense because I saw like I saw that at the beginning, and then I saw them leaving, and I'm like, why are we showing these?
00;35;10;00 - 00;35;38;10
Of significance? Yeah, but. Okay. Yeah, it just went over my head. I get it. This is a very dumb question, but is it that the demon is physically possessing the people, and the people physically kill the person, or is the demon like embodying the a person that they see that would be appropriate in this setting to throw off the victim and then, well, he so that it's easier to have it old people.
00;35;38;12 - 00;36;02;20
Okay. So it's literally a possession okay. Yeah. Yeah. So we're getting kind of like micro possessions in this movie compared to the. Yeah. And it's cool because, you know, he says later when he's talking about taking over, carries his body, he's like his his brain cells were like gone because he was like so like pretty much dead. Yeah.
00;36;02;23 - 00;36;25;09
Or he was dead or whatever. And so he had to work for 15 years to like, get those back, get back to normal. It's not just like, oh, I took over his body and everything's hunky dory. Yeah. That was like a, cool detail. They worked into the into the fast 15 years to make the sequel. Yeah. Like, how long does it take to heal from a possession?
00;36;25;15 - 00;36;46;17
How much time we got? Oh, got gotta take us about 15 years to make this up. 15 years? That's right. This wasn't in the original cut that I saw, but it was. There is a deleted scene where you see the medical scissors. Those big chompers come through the screen, and, Yeah, I don't know if I care for that.
00;36;46;22 - 00;37;11;22
I'm kind of glad they cut it. Yeah. Cut it. But yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you think they use those scissors to cut that scene from the movie? The editor use that. He edited the whole. He or she edited the whole movie with those. It feels off. It feels right. It was authentic. Oh, what about the fucking animatronic Jesus at the beginning?
00;37;11;24 - 00;37;15;13
Because was opening his eyes.
00;37;15;15 - 00;37;35;16
Well, what's funny is like, it should be really dumb and it's pretty stupid, but it's. We also worked like, I don't know, it wasn't, like, so bad that it was like, you know what I mean? Like, it wasn't great, but it wasn't. It could have been bad. Well, I mean, think about what they're doing. What did what did you want it to look like?
00;37;35;18 - 00;38;01;01
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I just see it. I did like the, later in the movie when the crucifix falls off the wall in Father morning's like room, and then there's, like, a close up wide angle from the floor, like looking at the Jesus on the crucifix, and he starts to cry blood. I thought that was a cool visual, but, anyways.
00;38;01;04 - 00;38;19;26
Oh, we get a little, Kevin Corrigan action as the altar boy, you know Kevin Corrigan? Know what I'm going to Google? You might know him from the departed. He was like the cousin. Oh yeah. Oh that's right. Yes. Yes yes. He's been in a ton of stuff. I know now I'm like drawing a blank.
00;38;19;26 - 00;38;42;10
But I know he was in The Departed but yeah, he was the altar boy with Father Dyer. He was like, talking all about Father. Somebody. How many fucking daddies in Paris, Father Karras? Yeah, yeah. So my father Keristen father dies, like, just get out of here. Get out of here. Let me, like, shut up. You know, a whole bunch of daddies.
00;38;42;12 - 00;39;11;20
Yeah. This is the. This is our dance. This is devil's in dicks. Well, I've got the super racist mother in law. Oh, yeah. She was. There's this thing going through. There's like a theme, I guess, or something kind of colored through the movie, which is like, the world is shitty and the Gemini Killer is, like, feeding off of that, and he's trying to trying to use that to, like, kind of justify his killings.
00;39;11;22 - 00;39;32;07
But then by the end, Kinderman is like, now the world is shitty and like, we just got to live live through it. And it's a it's an interesting I don't know, it's an interesting I wish they unpack that a little bit more. Yeah. Because then at the end when he's like during like the big exorcism thing, he's like, do you believe now he's like, yeah, I believe, I believe in murder.
00;39;32;07 - 00;40;03;09
I believe in, yeah. Like terrible things. Like it is all happening. It's like this stuff exists. You can't have the sweet without the sour, but that doesn't justify more sour just because we've accepted sour or don't or want more sweet. And there's something there that's a. Yeah. Like he's not it's not his job to cleanse the world in the way that the Gemini killer is doing the opposite.
00;40;03;11 - 00;40;31;00
It's just his job to sort of to seek justice for wrongdoings. Yeah. Like you can't be a killer just because it's possible to kill. And when he's talking to Father Dyer in the restaurant and he's talking about, what was the little boy's name? Thomas. Thomas. Thomas Kinsey. Country, country. And. Oh, my God, he just like it keeps getting worse.
00;40;31;02 - 00;41;00;13
Like, he's like describing the acts that happened. Like how we found the body. And it's like, that's horrible. Then he says something else and you're like, oh my God, it's even worse and worse and worse and worse as movies. Very disturbing where the first movie is disturbing. Like, just like the effects and watching this poor girl like, in real time, just waste away this one like it does the jaws thing, where it puts the thought in your head and it makes you imagine it.
00;41;00;13 - 00;41;33;12
Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which, you know that I do and I don't I mean, you guys know me, and that's the only thing that I wish this movie actually had was the more dead bodies to see what happened. Yeah. Yeah, they should have shown I still love it without it, but yeah, yeah, yeah. There was, I don't know if it was like a, I mean, I'm sure they would have shot a scene because there was a, picture I saw of Father Canavan in the confessional booth holding his head up his decapitated head is in his lap.
00;41;33;12 - 00;41;53;02
Yeah, yeah, but I guess by not showing those things because, like, he's looking at his hands, right? He's looking at everybody's hands. And you find out that he's like they're missing a finger. They've got the, the Gemini symbol on their palm or whatever. Because you don't know if they showed you I mean I guess they didn't show everything.
00;41;53;02 - 00;42;02;24
But by not showing you it's keeping that mystery. It's like why is he looking at the hands. Maybe we should do another cut of the movie.
00;42;02;26 - 00;42;27;12
Just the gory cut. Like I said earlier, I do kind of love the theatrical cut as it is. Minus like I would put the ending of the director's cut in there instead. Yeah. So, yeah, maybe another cut is, is a necessity is needed. But the two cops that he's working with, the one who keeps, like, questioning him, being like, why are you talking about the Gemini killer?
00;42;27;12 - 00;42;49;27
Why am I taking fingerprints, blah, blah, blah, blah, and Atkins, the detective that he's, like, working with through most of the movie. They were both in Lethal Weapon together. So, yeah, that's cool, because I like me some Lethal Weapon. You love Lethal Weapon? Yeah. Yeah. We've been talking a lot about Lethal Weapon this year, during this school year, starting with, the Monster Squad.
00;42;50;00 - 00;43;12;03
And it's a detective movie. Should we slip it in as a bonus episode? I love when we slip it in. You got to slip it in. That's shown being seen as seen being done. Slip it in, slip it in my. Yeah. So top stuffed. These are your last words I mean, I don't blame them. I was dying in front of Aragorn.
00;43;12;03 - 00;43;35;17
I tried to get someone last time, too. So he just leans up. He's like, you got this. It's like, what is this? It's happening instead of like, take like. So he's like, give me your sword. Take my virginity. But but you're dying. He's like, no, here's the sword. And I think about it. What do you mean, it? Think about it for a second.
00;43;35;19 - 00;43;42;02
Think about what I'm saying. What's happening? Let's think about it.
00;43;42;04 - 00;44;04;05
Yeah, I love it. This is the running joke for the three. It's the Lord of the rings fanfiction between Aragorn and more Ameer. The more Ameer that's in right before he dies. That's the name of the fucking franchise. Boromir. Dude, if I were closer to you, I'd punch in the face. Boromir is more of a whore.
00;44;04;05 - 00;44;33;21
Amir. Yeah, he is. But okay, let's see. Exorcist three. Father dire is now in the dire straits. What? I love, you know, we talked about, like, the chemistry between the characters. I love that, like, you see Kinderman run to the hospital room, and then he like klaxons. You see him collect himself, like, outside in the room, and then he walks in and just starts, like, giving him shit.
00;44;33;24 - 00;44;58;22
He, like, you know, he cares an awful lot about him, but he has to put on this, like, persona of, like, I'm the tough cop or whatever, you know what I mean? Well, it's like that thing. It's like people say, people who are friendly on the surface actually love you deep down, or you know, or hate or talking shit about you deep down in the reverse that they, they bust your balls, that it's actually a endearment that's love.
00;44;58;24 - 00;45;21;19
Yeah. I just love that little detail. But, then he dies. You. Yeah. Do you think he saw it coming? Father Dyer, because of his namesake. He's a dyer. So he's like, damn it. That's like what he told me. Did I miss something? Where does your name originate from? My whole family's dead. They all were Dyer's. So that's like he's talking about his brother.
00;45;21;19 - 00;45;45;00
He's like, I got, like, this cough or something, and he's like, my brother had the same symptoms or whatever. He's like. He died when he was 30. He died in Vietnam when he took his wife's name. And it was, he was Mr. Coffer. Because he coughed. I'm so lost. What about the blood? What about it? Zach?
00;45;45;07 - 00;46;09;17
Is that enough blood from a human body? No, I thought the same thing. Let's Google they make such. They make such a, point to like it's. No, the blood. None of it's missing. Now, later in the movie. Hold on. Later. Hildebrandt. Dorff later does say like it wasn't all the blood. Yeah. You can't get it all. Like, unfortunately, it's.
00;46;09;19 - 00;46;32;22
There. Like we don't we didn't have like ups. So you got to put this line in there. You got to say this, but it's there. Like we just have the original line. I was like, oh my God. They bled him of just enough blood to fill the amount of cuts the hospital had on this floor. It's like, all right, it's a little convoluted.
00;46;32;25 - 00;46;48;13
They they look kind of like, like jello shots. Yeah. It's not like I need to know how many I think they're. I need to know how many there are. Okay. And then you got to find the size of the cup, and then you're going to multiply this, and I can I can assume the size of the cup.
00;46;48;13 - 00;47;11;07
I can divide it by the amount and then see how many ounces of the cups would be in there. Probably 4 to 6oz. So there's only a question though. Yeah. As horror fans, do you think we have been misled? Yes. Into thinking the human body has more blood because of. Yes, Evil Dead because I just looked. Because I just looked and it says, how many do you think?
00;47;11;07 - 00;47;33;27
How much blood do you think is in a human body? It is a lot less than I thought. So, yeah. I'm not good with two gallons. So that would be two oh cases. Seven. I'm thinking of milk. I'm going to say five. Then why do you have to bring up milk when we're talking about blood? Because it's on bread again.
00;47;33;29 - 00;48;02;09
Just to keep this color streak going I'm going to say that this is ten half gallons. So that'd be five gallons. Yeah. Okay. Is 1.221 and a half gallons. No, I feel, more sloshing around in me as we speak. I feel it, I feel it. Well, let's test it. I feel like I'm going to drain by blood.
00;48;02;11 - 00;48;15;20
I am going to figure this out. I guess that makes sense, because, like, this is stupid. Like, your body is not just, like, filled with blood. Like. Yeah, it's like it's in tubes, right?
00;48;15;22 - 00;48;42;01
I'm not a scientist or a medical doctor, you know, like veins. I don't want to say that word, but. Yeah. Okay, okay okay okay okay. 01231 234567. So there's 21 cups all together. Oh, she found the picture. Okay. All right, so leave it to Alex. Casey is like the purse. The good resource for this because I can't even say the V word.
00;48;42;04 - 00;49;02;22
I don't know how I got away with saying sloshing when it comes to the B word. 192 so sloshing blood's buh. Well, he said, you can't get all of it right. So in order you can't get all of it. Yeah. In order for it to be a to one and a half gallons, in order for that to be one and a half gallons, there would have to be nine ounces of blood in each one of those cups.
00;49;02;24 - 00;49;22;05
And I don't know, okay. They're juice cups. Juice cups is they might be a little juice cups. Yeah. I would have thought that might be. Yeah. You could use some for the wall. But it is a movie and I think you have to. There you go Danny. That's it right there. Wait. It is a mr. movie. Well, no.
00;49;22;05 - 00;49;40;26
I'm like, I wish they went one of two different ways where show us like one big fat of it and show us the blood. Well, that's why we like you, Danny. That's why we're upset about this whole thing. They're trying to do it like being like we've been done wrong the whole time. Yeah, well, the we're trying to do.
00;49;40;26 - 00;50;07;07
Right, Zack do this. You mentioned little like the sippy cups or whatever. Like is that mentioned in the movie juice now like their juice cups. Are all your cups sippy cups at home? I just feel like they should have. And again, I'm so sorry if they said this and I don't mean to be a jerk to this 40 year old movie, but, do they say he filled the the juice now with the fuck?
00;50;07;08 - 00;50;27;29
It's the column sippy cups. What are you talking? Do they say that? They do. They specifically say he filled up each sippy cup with blood. Because that's disturbing. I know, but, like, I didn't my brain didn't see it as, I don't know, something about that. Somehow he, like, squirted them in with so intense without dripping a drop, without losing a drop.
00;50;28;01 - 00;50;51;29
They said it's wasn't being efficient. Yeah, I wish the visual paid off to make what happened much more disturbing, I guess. I guess I'm just mean. Yeah, that's not how the Gemini works. Yeah. You know, because he talks later about how efficient he is. So, there is a in one of the deleted scenes from the original cut.
00;50;52;01 - 00;51;16;12
Do you guys did you guys notice a lady outside the outside the, the room when Kinderman and Dyer are talking like Dyer is reading the paper and the lady yells down the hall, she's like, who stuck this guy or something like that? And you can hear what he's like, oh, it's crazy around here. She came in earlier to draw his blood and he was like, somebody just came and did it like 20 minutes ago.
00;51;16;12 - 00;51;32;08
And she was like, what the fuck? And she leaves out and she said, who stuck this guy? So I thought that was relevant to the other bloodletting that we're talking about. Yeah. What if he was just so polite and they just kept drawing blood, and he didn't have it in him to be like, they already did this, so it's actually not.
00;51;32;08 - 00;51;59;00
And then they were just slowly, slowly taking all of these, like putting, yeah. Where is all the sippy cups? I think it'd be so frustrating to be investigated by Kinderman. There is one scene in particular. He's just so intense that it's like, dude, I get it that you've been solving this case for a long time and are like, really upset, but I just got pulled into it.
00;51;59;00 - 00;52;20;28
So you're meeting me at a level of energy that is not. Yeah, balanced with where I'm coming at it. And I don't see how this is going to be effective. That's all I see. So my brother, when I was, manager at Cracker Barrel restaurant, I used to get so mad when I would walk in for my shift and all the servers would be like, can I get cut off the floor?
00;52;20;28 - 00;52;37;20
Like, can I go home? Can I do this? Like, what's going on? And I'm like, I literally don't even have my coat off. Like, I'm just I just walked in there. I have no idea what's happening. Chill. Like you said, like I'm coming at this from the relievers and you are you would be you. Yeah. Manager. And then everyone else would be calm.
00;52;37;22 - 00;53;05;27
That's a real cracker okay. But yeah that lady that that nurse nurse Allentown, what's her name was everyone's named everyone's name is a town. There's George Town, Allentown. She was like, I'm surprised this town was it. I'm surprised where they filmed. It wasn't called Exorcist Town because. Allerton. Yeah. Allerton. Dude, you know what?
00;53;05;27 - 00;53;28;07
We skipped over the dream. The dream? Yeah. If you're new to the show, we always take a moment to point out a movie's Fabio reference. I only saw one in this movie. Yeah, I was just curious if you guys saw more at this time. No, I only saw one Fabio. But I saw a Samuel Jackson. But.
00;53;28;10 - 00;53;51;23
For real? Yeah, yeah. He's like, there's like a blind guy sitting down, unlike the left side of the frame. And as he passes him. And that's Samuel Jack. Classic Samuel Jackson. The, fucking Patrick Ewing plays an angel that I noticed, which is surprising. I think he's in Space Jam. Right? I think I only know athletes who are in Space Jam.
00;53;51;26 - 00;54;09;24
Yeah, he's in Space Jam. Dang it. That was crazy. Beautiful matte painting. I know Coco is only to point out my matte paintings because I like you. Like them, I love them. Yeah. But you reminded me the other day that I didn't point one out, so now I have to point it out. But, that was really cool.
00;54;09;26 - 00;54;32;26
And, yeah, when we see Father Dyer with his, like, next stitches and Kinnaman is like, I think we're having the same dream and father dies like, I'm not dreaming. And it's like, oh, I kind of like, you know, and, use that. It's. Yeah, I'm looking at this picture. Samuel Jackson. How the fuck did you know that was Samuel Jackson?
00;54;32;29 - 00;54;56;10
I know Samuel Jackson. Whenever I see him. Also, there is a lot going on in this scene that I did not notice. Well the there's so much the way how insane this scene kind of validates what we were saying earlier about the exorcism at the end being a little, you were saying like you mentioned, if Madonna doesn't pop up out of here, it's like I think she was in the dream scene though too.
00;54;56;11 - 00;55;21;05
So like it's not that unprecedented for this movie, right? But it came out. But that was the dream sequence was in the original cut. Interesting. So it's not like it's so like weird. And so it almost doesn't need to be that I get there. Like, we have to show it's a dream or the afterlife or whatever it does go like one step too far with like a Fabio reference.
00;55;21;07 - 00;55;43;21
Yeah, it is fun. Yeah. And like, Larry King was in the restaurant when they go to when, you know, earlier in the movie when they're talking after. Yeah. See It's a Wonderful Life. Larry King was in there. Why do they explain? Yeah. So they wanted to get like, I guess, William Peter Blatty wanted it to feel like Georgetown.
00;55;43;21 - 00;56;03;23
He wanted to feel like. And I guess and everyone knows that Larry King, well, frequents Georgetown. Well, I'd say King was like a New York guy, but I yeah, I don't know more. And also, like in Georgetown, you would have like Fabio as an angel and Samuel Jackson as a blind man. So it's very authentic if you're from George.
00;56;03;28 - 00;56;23;17
So I actually grew up in Georgetown. And I will say it's, it's very authentic to. Yeah, surprisingly authentic. Yeah. But yeah, at this point, I mean, Samuel L Jackson wasn't no. No. Yeah. I think when did Goodfellas come out? 90 this year. This year. So he had a small 1 or 2 and he was in Goodfellas.
00;56;23;17 - 00;56;51;02
He was, he was, yeah, he was doing stuff and then obviously. Yeah. Because he didn't do anything much bigger than Pulp Fiction. Right. And that was 94. Yeah. 94. So he was like in his paying his dues sort of part of his career. Yeah. Okay let's jump to our second reveal. Finally. This is when father not father father father Kinderman I'm just going to call him daddy.
00;56;51;02 - 00;57;16;00
Kinderman. I know he's not a priest, but he's a daddy. No, he's not. He's not a daddy. No, no, that's my one hall pass in my relationship, George Sisco. No, it's not. Use one of my yell at you. Does he scream like that during sex? Like I can't do like. Yeah. Like it's like he's like. It's so, like, intense.
00;57;16;02 - 00;57;42;29
Give me a song. Right. That was a terrible dance. There's like a boring me every time. Give me a sword. Classic George Scott impression. So this is where he's telling the, like, the, hospital director or whatever, who's pissed? He's telling them all about the Gemini killer, and, like, the how he killed everybody with the name started with a K.
00;57;43;01 - 00;58;04;21
There was a K in their name or something. And then we see this mysterious man in this cell, and he says, Kevin, Kevin. Because Father Dyer, Joseph Dyer, his middle name that they reveal was Kevin Smith. It's interesting because they didn't have to do that at all. He realized, no, they didn't have to do the name thing. Curious.
00;58;04;22 - 00;58;23;13
They could. It's just slightly left out. They're trying to answer questions for clarity. And I think actually sometimes when they even bring up a question, it makes it a little bit more confusing because you're like, wait, wait, what? It but it really doesn't have anything to do with yeah, what's the point? Who cares if what their names were in the book?
00;58;23;13 - 00;58;44;15
I'm sure it probably made sense that they're ditching things and there's no live in it. There's no need in the movie. He's just a demon that's inhabiting and killing and possessing people. Why do they? What do their names are? Sure. Well, it's got to be. You know, Danny, you just says it. Okay. Oh, yeah. This is so. I'm just thinking of the house body, which is like Kevin.
00;58;44;17 - 00;59;10;26
David. That's her. That's the real. Yeah. It's, nefarious. Yeah. No, but you were talking about, like, you know, in the book, it might have been whatever. Yeah. William Peter Blatty wrote the book, then he adapted it into a screenplay for this, and he's directing. There has to be some things where. Well, it's got to be like a tough balancing act to be like, he.
00;59;10;28 - 00;59;33;27
Okay. Yeah. Maybe for some reason he thought that was so important. Yeah. He doesn't. So quite how things translate from a book to a movie. Oh yeah. Like I don't know, like I wouldn't go as far as to say maybe he doesn't understand, but like, because I think he did a really good job with this movie. But if you know so much, you may know too much and then you don't.
00;59;33;29 - 00;59;55;16
It's harder to comprehend. Like, what does the audience not need to know, right? Right. So having an outside voice come in, that's where, like, you know, you always hear a lot of stuff about like, oh, this movie had studio interference and it's kind of always met as a negative. And I don't totally believe that. I'm not saying like, take the artistic vision away from the creator.
00;59;55;16 - 01;00;19;10
It's just sometimes I do think it helps to have, you know, somewhat like checks and balances and just another voice in the room. It's a collaborative thing. So someone to go, hey, that doesn't work. We talked earlier about, you know, him like giving a lot of credit to the intelligence of the of the viewers. Yeah. You know, if they would have just had Brad Dourif play the whole part.
01;00;19;12 - 01;00;42;29
But, you know, producers, the the, the, the studio knows, that most people aren't smart. Yeah. They want a lot of dummies to watch the movie studios now are you know, the word on the street is that they are specifically dumbing down things because they know people are going to be on their phones. Well, yeah, it's it's saying there is a word for it.
01;00;42;29 - 01;01;03;28
It's like it's second screens. Yeah. So it's like, so they're saying like screen shows, you need to like reiterate like the plot or whatever, like three times throughout the movie because people need to follow along when they're on their phone as well. And it's so infuriating. But it is anyways. It's funny, it's it's so annoying. And you notice it but don't notice it.
01;01;03;28 - 01;01;28;17
And I was I was watching a movie with someone and they specifically pointed out they were like, they just repeated the plot, like for the third time and like, oh my, they really did. They just said it. It's it's it's an insane thing because it's. Yeah, it's so sad. It's such a bummer. They do that in sentimental value a lot where like, he's like they're having this really dramatic stuff.
01;01;28;17 - 01;01;39;20
Kidding. Oh, I was going to say such a good movie about God. It's like I was almost like you said that movie's like, oh, wait a second. Yeah.
01;01;39;22 - 01;01;46;19
I haven't seen it yet, but, I was like, no, they don't do.
01;01;46;22 - 01;02;18;21
But, Okay. Yeah. So we get the man in the hospital. We don't really know who he is yet, but in our third reveal, Kinderman sits down with him. The Gemini Killer, and he sees Father Karras, right? Yeah. And to me, I was like, okay, it was confusing because I was like, is he seeing Father Karras? Is that like a trick of the mind that, that the, the devil, you know, whoever he is, is playing on him or is it actually him?
01;02;18;21 - 01;02;55;28
And then, like, it's confusing because of the way they shot it? Yeah. Who's is the the person that he's actual? Who is the person actually there? Is it Father Karras? His body, which it is, right. We found out had done a thing where like you have and like do one. I know I'm being like, I promise there's a point to this, but like, you have, like, the camera just not cut and maybe like, do, like an over-the-shoulder or the POV of kinderman and like, have the camera, like, go around and like maybe as you go, like behind his head, like switches to Brad Dourif and then goes back to Father Karras to kind of like,
01;02;55;28 - 01;03;21;15
tell the audience like he sees this. It's really this. But we are going to come back to Karras because that is who he kinderman sees. Yeah. So because it just cuts to him when he screams, it's almost dead. It's so good, such a great transition. But it's confusing because it's like to your point, it's like, oh, did he just kind of reveal himself as Brad Dourif?
01;03;21;15 - 01;03;55;26
And that's what Kinderman sees. But no. Yeah. So so it's like, oh, so when you find out later that it is the body of Father Karras, Jason Miller, we see later that, Kinderman is looking at a file of the Gemini Killer, and it looks like Brad Dourif. Right? James. His name is James Benjamin. And so the Gemini killer, or I should say Brad Dourif, that's just like us, right?
01;03;55;26 - 01;04;33;05
Like, that's just, like, for us to see. Like that's the Gemini, correct? Yeah. The whole story is talking to. Yeah. That's like the spirit, right? Yeah. The whole time. Yeah. I think Kinderman is looking at quote unquote Jason Miller. Right, right. Like Father Karras. Yes. Because later towards the end when the nurses in the room and she has like the little nodes on his head, it's Jason Miller laying, right, which sometimes it wasn't, I, I'm going to throw another loop into this or another fucking throw you for another loop.
01;04;33;08 - 01;04;54;13
You said, fuck our shut up, Zach, because there's another actor that they put in make up to look like Jason Miller. Not well, that's because he wasn't able to do everything that they need to do. That's just like a filmmaking thing. But I had to throw that in there. Oh, so you were Jason Miller. Oh you're Jason. Oh, you're Miller, right, though you were the Gemini Killer.
01;04;54;16 - 01;05;25;21
Not to be confused with the Lake Shore Strangler, also played by Brad Dourif. He mentions at one point he said decapitating people makes him chuckle. And I was like, oh, then oh, chuckle. And he also says the words. He says it's child's play. He says, oh, you got a lot. Okay. Yeah. I just want to point out that I had to check my phone and, I paused it, and when I came back and turned my camera back on, this is where I would normally have my camera.
01;05;25;21 - 01;05;48;18
So it's zoomed in somehow and I'll know what to do. Bad. It looks like the the work of the devil. The devil. So I haven't pushed that. This is as far back as I can push it. Can you, like, pinch it? That's what Boorman said. He's like, just pinch it.
01;05;48;20 - 01;05;54;11
So it's nice. So I just pinch the tips.
01;05;54;13 - 01;05;59;26
No one says no. That's the pointy part.
01;05;59;28 - 01;06;03;05
They're gone. The.
01;06;03;07 - 01;06;31;03
Hair go. No. You how? Nights all have names. Like I'm watching, Knights of seven. The Seven Kingdom. And he's like Duncan the tall Aragorn is Aragorn. So the the tip pincher is like, damn it. Well, I didn't know what he was around when I did that. I should have known. Good. All right. So, yeah. Kinnaman sitting down with the Gemini killer.
01;06;31;05 - 01;06;56;07
There's a lot of conversation, which I love. It's very juicy. And Brad Dourif is chewing it up. But there's a lot, and I was I did notice that there were I was kind of jumping through my notes where it's it's a lot of which I'm not even saying is a bad thing, because he's very much like relishing in the destruction that he's causing or has caused.
01;06;56;09 - 01;07;18;26
Yeah. I'm going to spin that now as a positive I love. So kind of chewing it up, talking about some fucked up shit. I mean, he does it so well and I, you know, I said that I had seen an interview with him and he was talking about when they first did it, they did it like so perfectly that like, it didn't work because it was too precise.
01;07;18;28 - 01;07;42;01
And so they had to like go back. And, you know, he worked with, Blatty for a while to like, figure out where like, that sweet spot was, where, it wasn't so like, surgical, I guess, in his delivery. I have a question. Speaking of William Peter Blatty, who's your favorite author whose book was adapted into a major 1970s thriller?
01;07;42;03 - 01;08;04;06
Do you like William Peter Blade Blatty of The Exorcist franchise, or Peter Billingsley of the jaws franchise? So as a, are you a Blatty or a Bletchley? I'm a Blatty, I guess. I think I'm a Benchley. So, wait, are you talking about, like, do I just like their names or the, who's your favorite person? There are many other.
01;08;04;06 - 01;08;34;13
There are many other authors who had their, movies or their books made into, or thrillers. Let me Google now in 1975. Blockbusters. That was it. Yeah. So reveal number four. Oh, okay. I thought you were. I thought you were responding to my comment. Okay. All right. Well, our forced to reveal is a classic. It's Nurse Keating.
01;08;34;15 - 01;08;57;29
In that really long, and I say long like it's it's good that it's long because it really keeps you in suspense. It's so for me was that was that. Yeah. That's something to do with Boromir. Take my sword. It's so long. Really? Like this long? You want able that I want you to pinch a tip. But I don't know if you're going to find it.
01;08;58;02 - 01;09;28;14
If you can reach it, pinch anything. But, no skating in, which has to be one of, like, the best jump scares in horror history. You know where you spoiled of this scene, like, before? Like on. I think I saw this for the first time in, like, the Bravos 100 scariest movie moments. Oh, okay. No, I remember, like, when I first saw it, I don't know when I first saw it, like when I was a kid and I was bored because I don't know if I made it to this when I was a kid.
01;09;28;15 - 01;09;51;12
But when I watched this again, probably, I don't know, ten years ago I was, but I was definitely scared. It's pretty scared. Thank you. I was gonna say blown away, but I was like, nobody fucking blew me while I was watching this fucking exercise. Like they were, you know? And they're good. But no, I it was not spoiled for me.
01;09;51;12 - 01;10;10;26
I it got me the first time, the one that got me in this, which I didn't even remember, was when the dude sits up in the fucking like the room. I forgot about that one. Which is such a good move, because it's like, we're going to throw you off like, this is the scare, so there can't possibly be another jump scare.
01;10;10;26 - 01;10;47;05
And that one reads as more of like, not a bad way, but more classic jump scare. Like character goes to something. Boom. Whereas the the famous scissor scene is just shot on like a static wide shot. Yeah. And only ever, like, pushes in at the jump scare, which feels very it's like reverse engineered right. There were deleted scenes where like, you're in the POV of the person with the scissors and like, they're like chasing her down the hallway and you see, like, the thing, oh, which I'm glad they cut.
01;10;47;05 - 01;11;05;14
I'm glad they left it just this game it to tough to get over here. But going back to the name thing, do you think that was all, like, the case? Right? Do you think that was all to build suspense later? Because now we know her name is Keating. She's established. We know she's Nurse Keating. She's there by herself.
01;11;05;16 - 01;11;31;00
We know something's going to happen now because her name starts with a K. It's a little Kinderman. So probably. Yeah, I think that he was kind of. Yeah. And then also there's the kid later who gets kid K, who gets admitted to the hospital and his last name starts with a K. And so there's like the whole thing where he busts in on the nurse giving him the toys or whatever.
01;11;31;04 - 01;11;54;00
So here's the thing. Why K though, it's like, why? Well, I don't know, but, I don't know the answer for that, but like, I yeah. Because instead of making up that his last name was Kevin, they could have just gone with what his name was and used that letter. Yeah, you know what I mean. I feel like this works better on page, like in a book.
01;11;54;00 - 01;12;19;04
It's like, oh, shit. Because you see it, it's harder to like. Like, I didn't know her name was Keating, you know, like, oh, you did it. Maybe I did, but, like, it didn't stick with me enough to be like, oh, shit. It kind of reminds me of, like in scream two, they do this thing where it's like, look, her name is the same as the name from the first movie, and they're always turning people off based on its like, villain doesn't really go anywhere.
01;12;19;04 - 01;12;38;08
Just sort of. Yeah, it's like a weird, like it's too much. It's too much specificity to give an audience based on, like names that we are already familiar with. You know, if it was like, oh, he's killing people who wear red shirts, you're like, oh, he's wearing a red shirt. And a guy like that makes so much more sense.
01;12;38;11 - 01;12;59;24
Yeah, it is hard to track and I don't it's fine. It doesn't like hurt the movie, but it definitely doesn't. It's not a stand up thing. Yeah. Okay. Right. I mean, I follow the names. I just must be smarter than you guys. Yeah. You are. Yeah. Zach is the target audience for the story. I was I was well, I was so tired that I was falling asleep.
01;12;59;24 - 01;13;16;21
I was sitting up on the couch purposely so I didn't fall asleep, but I definitely fell asleep a few times. Every time they mention someone's name, sometimes they should not just I didn't even know. Like Commencent doesn't say I didn't know that that was his name until I sat down to record this episode. Yeah, and you like research?
01;13;16;21 - 01;13;46;22
You're like, oh, there's this guy. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, in reveal number five, we get Mrs. Clelia. The old radio lady. Radio lady, the invisible radio phone. She's like a trickster. She's like, she's like, you're the radio repairman, Well, funny, because this is my phone. Like, you like, smacks it. I mean, I wouldn't put it in.
01;13;46;24 - 01;14;12;17
I would not be surprised and slims down. He's like, God damn it, this was I, I enjoy this little reveal. Yeah. So he goes into the the like the the room with all the people who are just kind of like to come around the common area and, you get a great effect on the ceiling. I mean, for 1990, it was pretty cool, you know, it was.
01;14;12;20 - 01;14;32;13
I did notice they loved their ceiling work in this movie, but this everyone's getting thrown up and then, like, stuck on the ceiling, like, oh, okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Good. Easy. Well, because because of the in the original one. Don't they do that in the original when they use a special she for they didn't. She levitates. But she loves.
01;14;32;13 - 01;14;50;28
She can't think of them like I don't think she goes on the ceiling. I can only think of the floating. She does the I, I'm trying to think of like she does the spider crawl down the stair. You know nothing. I'm probably through a scary movie where they make fun of either The Exorcist or Poltergeist, and she's fucking the ghosts all over the place on the ceiling.
01;14;50;28 - 01;14;58;17
That. Oh yeah, when Boromir blows as low as that to the ceiling.
01;14;58;19 - 01;15;26;14
Yeah, he's stuck in a tree. He's like, he's stuck it. In the end, it's like, God. But yeah, no, this is creepy. So he possessed her again just to crawl around on the ceiling. Well, the nurse, don't they? They find the nurse's body. So I guess she had just killed her. But then the other lady took the the nurse's clothes, so, like, why didn't she just kill her?
01;15;26;16 - 01;15;43;04
Oh, yeah. Do you know what I'm saying to me? Maybe she did, like, I don't, I don't know, maybe it was like an organizational thing. Like they didn't they, they, you know, like you over her. Yeah. Teamwork. Well, you worked. Yeah. Like at a restaurant and like, you're like, oh, there's too many servers on staff. I meant you weren't supposed to be in today, but, like, you're here.
01;15;43;04 - 01;16;03;07
So can you just take that table, too? Like. Well, I'm on a table, too. It's like, goddamn it. Yeah, it's work together. Yeah, that's what happened. There could just be like. It was like I. Yeah, yeah, a cool, visual gag, which, I mean, that's why is. Yeah. I know the movie wants us to really think, but then it's like, oh, I think this.
01;16;03;07 - 01;16;27;19
No go right that. Right. Yeah. So it goes from this and then we find out that the we see the dead nurse because he sees the blood under the door, we see the dead nurse, he calls his house or. Yeah, he calls his house, but he can't get through because somebody else is calling his house, pretending to be him and being like, hey, there's a nurse coming over, let her in.
01;16;27;22 - 01;16;44;23
And then you get this. Great. This is our sixth reveal. This is the the nurse who she's like in the taxicab, going over to the house, and then he's headed to the house with the policeman. And it's like a fun, very suspenseful, like Chase. I don't say Chase, but, like, who's going to get there first? How are we doing this?
01;16;44;25 - 01;17;02;06
I would have been sad to see him lose this family, but I do think again, I feel like I'm just doing that's annoying thing or it's like just kind of rewriting the movie. But if you had only had the shot of her in the car, which is so effective and creepy. And then cut to he comes home and they're all dead.
01;17;02;08 - 01;17;25;11
Yeah. At least some other yeah. Like that would have been at least killed him. Pretty chilling. Yeah. Yeah she could have been, he could have like come home and the mother in law is there like holding the, the dead fish. The carp that was in the bathtub. She's like in the bathtub with the fucking fish. Wait I also thought I know we're doing a lot of like could it, would it though.
01;17;25;11 - 01;17;40;18
The giant fish that he's got and he, he talks about it earlier and he's like oh no no no. Never mind. I did remember that because the Sven grew up that way. And since then it doesn't really because his parents kept fish in the bathtub. Oh damn. That's like oh shit. It's a real thing. It's it's cool. Okay.
01;17;40;21 - 01;18;00;10
Did you guys think, this is what I had seen the movie, I forgot, but when the nurse's in, when she grabs the scissors, I thought she was going to cut her own head off. Oh, no. Yeah, okay. She was doing. I was like, oh, shit, that's fucking cool. And. Okay. She don't. Yeah, I forgot he tried to kill his daughter, which is also pretty cool.
01;18;00;12 - 01;18;16;26
Yeah. Because they're alluding to that earlier. Like he's saying like Julie. And then he's like, oh my god I got to go see her name starts with K Julie Kinderman there. See that's what I'm talking about. Oh I guess Tinder does. That's one of those Jedi. But I'm switching to these names.
01;18;16;28 - 01;18;39;03
No. So here's where. Well, I'm not going to talk about it just yet, because that's. So our next reveal is father Morning goes into the cell and performs the exorcism. Yeah, we get the classic exorcist. Yeah. And we, you know, we see him for the first time now with his, like, yellow eyes. I think there might have been a close up earlier, but maybe not.
01;18;39;03 - 01;19;05;21
I don't know, but it's pretty cool. It's the it's the big the big set piece. And he gets thrown against the wall like you said. And he peels off like it's like hot. I guess he's like stuck to it and he peels off. And that was fucking cool. I think what works with having the exorcism in this, I just don't know if the execution was done in a way that pays this off is you go into an Exorcist sequel thinking you'll get an exorcism.
01;19;05;23 - 01;19;25;25
You get it. But it's really actually just sort of like the fakeout ending to set up the character we've been following Kinderman having his face off. I just don't know if something didn't land like I wish it was like, oh, you think a normal exorcism is going to work like it did in the first one? No no no no.
01;19;26;01 - 01;19;46;11
Watch him get like his ass kicked. Kinderman is going to come in and do his own thing, and that's what's going to. So I know I feel like I'm I'm being critical and I don't mean to. It was actually really like this movie, but it was just something that stood out. And maybe it's just top of line because I know there were so many changes, but yeah, well, okay, so so that was our seventh reveal.
01;19;46;11 - 01;20;13;22
Our eighth reveal is when Kinderman comes in and joins the exorcism party and he he comes in the the father morning is like in the corner, all like bleeding. Right. The exorcism party. And this is our final reveal when Kinderman comes in and he meets the possessed version of. Yeah, I mean, he's always been possessed, but, like, visually, he sees them now.
01;20;13;22 - 01;20;36;14
He's like, oh, I get it. And he comes in and he just tries to shoot them. He's like, hey, Chris. He's like, here's like, forgive me or pray for me or something. And he tries to shoot him. And then Father Chris is like, nope. And he throws him up against the wall. Right. But then to your point, Danny, like that, there's like you said, it felt kind of off the way out of it to me.
01;20;36;15 - 01;21;01;06
Felt kind of off that like Father Morning just kind of like crawls over and like picks up a crucifix and he's like, no. Yeah. And then no. And then, that's when Chris is like, shoot me now. Like I have this, like, moment where I'm free from this position. Yeah. He says Kinderman should kill me. Now, what's the movie trying to say?
01;21;01;07 - 01;21;22;02
Not to get so, like, I don't know, like, sometimes movies are just movies, but the the takeaway is that, like, the best way to solve the world's problems is to have a cop come in and shoot it, shoot the problem away. And maybe you could talk about how, like, yeah, the world's fucked up and they've got to shoot people.
01;21;22;04 - 01;21;42;04
It's just like, oh yeah, okay, great. Like what? I don't know, like, what are we left to just be like, I get it. It's it's supposed to be cynical. That's fine. But yeah, because I mean, right before he does say like he basically says like, yeah, I believe that like, the world is a cynical place. Yeah. It was also his friend though.
01;21;42;10 - 01;21;59;10
So it was part of it knowing, having the courage to do what has to be done. Totally. Yeah. He just wanted to, you know, put him out. And I think that's part of why he comes in and he says, like, pray for me. Like I'm sorry. Like he's either he says, forgive me or pray for me or something like, sorry that I had to do this, but I gotta kill you.
01;21;59;13 - 01;22;21;05
Yeah. There's something interesting about, like, it's someone of his, like the way he sees the world. Who is the one who would be the most willing to help a friend in this particular scenario? I just wish they leaned into the that theme a little bit more, you know? I mean, even, you know, like when and I'm not trying to like shit on religions.
01;22;21;05 - 01;22;39;14
That's not what I'm doing. But when The Exorcist came out that the Catholic Church, like, loved it, they were like, yeah, the power of God. He saves all. Like at the end of the day, you know what I mean? Like, the devil is evil. The priests come in and save the day. Yeah. So this one could have kind of like thrown that on its head.
01;22;39;16 - 01;23;03;11
Not that you have to punish. I'm just trying to be, like, zoom out. Like you don't have to punish religion. You know, no matter how you look at it, from a thematic or from just from a narrative level, it doesn't really do anything, doesn't add much to the conversation, but they could have done something clever of you could walk out of it like, wow, religion wasn't powerful enough to stop evil in the world.
01;23;03;11 - 01;23;21;06
But also cops were. But the only way they do it was to kind of like fight fire with fire. There was like an interesting conversation to be had. I don't know if maybe the book does it, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, it would be interesting to read the book and see. Yeah. You know, basically just how we're, you know, we've been talking about like what was left in what was left out.
01;23;21;06 - 01;23;41;25
Yeah, obviously there's going to be stuff. But I wonder how they what kind of detail they go into. Well, Danny's not a Blatty so he won't be reading it. Oh yeah I mean he did read the Blatty. He did read the original. Well, I did read the blurb. He did read the original Blatty and ironically, I yeah, I've always heard that the jaws novel is not great.
01;23;41;28 - 01;24;08;21
So I don't know I don't know what I'm doing. So here's the twist, everybody. I'm a bloody fan. I know you were waiting to hear that. So here are two things that I want to mention that are from the original cut. And one of them answers our question from earlier. So at the end of the theatrical cut, it has Kinderman and Atkin standing over a grave, and it has father curses graves.
01;24;08;24 - 01;24;31;19
Right. And it's kind of quick. Right? It just kind of like cuts to them at the grave, and then it's over. So that scene in the director's cut was put earlier in the movie. They go to the grave and Kinderman says it's not him. So basically you know how earlier we were talking about who is he supposed to be seeing Father Karras or Brad Dorff.
01;24;31;22 - 01;24;56;27
It is Father Karras because his body was dug up and replaced with another priest. But when? Because 15 years, boy. Well, I don't think he would look the same. No, he, he, the Gemini Killer mentions earlier that he was like, he got in there when he was fresh, right? Right. When he died. Okay, so he was buried in the body, though.
01;24;57;00 - 01;25;21;20
Yes. Okay. He was buried. And then. And then he got out and replaced it. At some point. Todd, I would have liked to have seen all this rather than be told, you know, like, this could have been like the opening of the movie was following the Gemini Killer. Like doing all these things. I think what happened was he got possessed, buried, and then maybe dug himself out when the dude was fresh.
01;25;21;20 - 01;25;36;25
Kill Bill. Yeah, well, no, but but that's when you put a new body in there. So. Yeah, he replaced the body 15 years ago. He wouldn't have been able to tell. So I'm glad they didn't put that burden because I would have been like, no. Yeah, I'm sorry, but you wouldn't know it. They're trying to make the body is way too decomposed.
01;25;36;27 - 01;26;01;21
Yeah. There's a simpler way to the body replacement would be to decompose. You're saying? Yeah. You wouldn't be able to say it's not like. Oh, well, they said he was. He was super tall. He they like, did a thing on his organs. Yeah. Maybe he'd be decomposed. I don't fucking know. The real question story is the ending of the director's cut.
01;26;01;23 - 01;26;27;25
It cuts from the attack at his house. Then instead of father mourning coming in to the cell to do an exorcism, Kinderman comes into the cell. He convinces a nurse to, like, let him in the room. He gets in there. He says, pray for me, Father Karras. Forgive me. Whatever he says. Then he shoots them. Then he goes up and he puts the gun to his head to carry his head.
01;26;27;25 - 01;26;59;28
Or the Gemini Killer's head, whatever. And he shoots him again in the head, and then it cuts the black roll credits. So he just goes in and kills him. There's no exorcism. There's no like fight. He just says like, hey, sorry I got to do this. And he just shoots them. I do like that. But like I know that you guys don't like the mixture of the, of the exorcism and stuff like that, but if we've already established that he's possessed by a demon, and we know that you can't just kill them that way.
01;27;00;02 - 01;27;15;09
Yeah, it would have been all right. I know I'm right. I keep doing this. I don't know what's wrong with me today, but you know how they they establish that the demon can, like, kind of pose as other people and kind of fuck with our sense of reality a little bit and, like, do voices and all that.
01;27;15;11 - 01;27;33;17
It would have been cool if, like, at the end Kinderman goes to, he points the gun, he's like clicking the, you know, he's like ready to shoot and then have like a nurse walk in. And the reality of it is, is he's actually like putting the gun to his head. Oh, the demon is so the demon like making it like he sucks with them.
01;27;33;20 - 01;27;58;12
Yeah. So yeah, I like the evil twins. I think that, he should have the gun to his head, and then he shoots them, and then it zooms in on Kinderman eyes, and he's possessed. Oh. Like this? He should have been. But it's this needed a this was not the movie to have a happy ending, whereas I think is because it's about like this, but this mother daughter gets.
01;27;58;12 - 01;28;18;25
Yeah, this was about a guy contending with like, the brutality of existence. Yeah. So you may as well. Just like then that's the movie let it ride. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's the theme. Like end on the fucking darkest. No. Ever. Yeah. I mean yeah. Like you, you're saying. No, I do still love the movie. I don't. Yeah. No, I have major issues with it.
01;28;18;27 - 01;28;39;10
They always say if something is so good you then like, it actually opens the door for more conversation. And. Yeah, because it's giving you so much to work with. Right. Or like when the, when the floor opens up and all the people come up and like, the crucified boy comes up and they just like, pull him down and they're like, oh yeah, it closes back up and it's like, right.
01;28;39;13 - 01;29;05;09
Yeah, right. That would be great. Like then and then. Oh. And then the nurse walks in and it's just the patient alone. Yeah. Just staring up at her and it's like where's and he says Kevin George Kevin Kevin Kevin. Oh my god can we do a better place I know wrap we love you I was going to say can we do a cut of like do the whole scene from Home Alone.
01;29;05;09 - 01;29;26;26
And then the second she goes Kevin just cut them out. Kevin. Oh, yeah. I was thinking though, the other way around, the whole scene of. Oh, and there and then when he says, Kevin, it's Catherine O'Hara. So much better. That's funny. Also, you know, this is going back to like those monologues and stuff real quick. Oh, I know we passed that a long time ago.
01;29;26;28 - 01;29;47;04
But the one where he's, like, yelling and breaks the fourth wall, like, I don't know, it's I, I don't know if I ever felt like someone in a movie was actually staring into my soul before. It's a lot. Oh, it's a great. You know, he's so striking that he just, like, just as visual. Yeah. Of his face and.
01;29;47;04 - 01;30;13;29
Yeah. Yeah. This was a year or two, a year before silence of the lambs, when Said Jonathan Demme. Right. Did the whole like looking into the camera. Yeah. It's yeah. Interesting. So it is Hannibal Lecter the Gemini Killer. Oh dude.
01;30;14;01 - 01;30;23;18
It is time for the how I Met Your Monster conspiracy theory of the week. Hit it.
01;30;23;21 - 01;30;48;10
Yeah. So this movie came out a year before sound of the lambs, which famously has the characters looking into the camera. So, like he said, like looking into your soul. This one has, And imprisoned serial killer played by Brad Dourif, who has already established the fact that he can, that this demon can possess other people to do his bidding.
01;30;48;13 - 01;31;09;05
And he stares. He famously stares directly into the camera, so cuts off heads. Yes. Isn't there a head in a jar? And, in, the old psychiatrist or something that he cut his head off. There's. Oh, yeah. Well, there's a few things because there's the there's the thinking of the face, but that's Buffalo Bills victim.
01;31;09;08 - 01;31;28;06
But yeah, we cut. Then a year later, we're in another cell with another serial killer staring directly at the camera. You know, it makes you think. Makes me think. That's for sure. It is for. It does make sense now that I think about it. Because silence of the lambs, it ends with an exorcism. I don't know why.
01;31;28;07 - 01;32;02;22
Even, like, thought to like it actually isn't that confusing. Are there any people with KS in there's. Oh, Clarice. So. Tennessee, but they. But he's getting old. He's getting old. He doesn't. He just hears the. She's. It's all the same to me. Anyways, I thought your name started with a cake stabbing. My mistake. But let's just keep doing this because it's just like, it's like ten plays like the in Curb Your Enthusiasm music.
01;32;02;25 - 01;32;24;20
He looks at her name, he finally sees her. And dad, it's it seems like. Damn, dude. It seems like her name tag, didn't get it. Yeah. That's so funny. All right, well, now it's time, to choose our favorite reveals in The Exorcist three.
01;32;24;23 - 01;32;51;29
All right, so, speedrun recap. We've got eight official reveals, no alternate titles. I'll spare you. Number one, father, I have for the last one. Okay. Father Canavan in the confessional booth, also known as. Okay, I'll do it. Also known as. I just lost my virginity in a confessional booth. Lord have mercy. See, is that from,
01;32;52;01 - 01;33;13;12
Yes. Damn it. If you watch it, you'll know. Danny. Yeah. If you're new to the show, it's. They're referencing. I feel like I've seen the movie Detroit Rock city, because if you see the in order. I know it's funny. They have it. You guys will say quotes in scenarios. I'm like, how could this all possibly get.
01;33;13;15 - 01;33;21;21
Speeches all go together. Yeah. Okay. Number two is, Kevin.
01;33;21;23 - 01;33;25;24
Gavin. Kevin. Kevin.
01;33;25;26 - 01;33;55;09
Number three is when Kinderman sits down with the Gemini killer. Father Karras, smash up. Four is Nurse Keating in the, hallway? Five is Mrs. Clelia. Clelia on the ceiling? Mrs.. This is Crimea. Where do we from? Quite a few times. Number six is, the nurse traveling to the house and being at the house and all that.
01;33;55;12 - 01;34;10;09
Number seven is the exorcism. And number eight is when Kinderman comes in and meets, the possessed form of whoever. And seven I have. I've heard of father or fuck.
01;34;10;12 - 01;34;42;10
Like I've heard of morning glory. But morning glory. Oh, Danny. That's good thing. Good. Thing. Thank you. All right. What's your favorite? Cassie, you start us off. I like Miss Clambake. Clam climb. Mia. Miss. Chlamydia. Yeah. Yeah. Dark forever. Yeah. I don't know why. Just give me the heebie jeebies and. Oh, it's fucking creepy. Yeah. And.
01;34;42;10 - 01;35;06;20
Yeah. So that's all very simple. It's a good one. My favorite is the confessional scene. Okay. Still just gets me. There's something about just staring a camera, pointing at a dark space. You hearing someone, like, reveal themselves to be something different and you not knowing. Oh, it I don't know. It evokes that feeling of, like being a kid.
01;35;06;27 - 01;35;35;07
And you wake up and there's just like that one corner of the room that's a little darker, and you, your imagination starts to convince you that there's something there. And like, I love it. Yeah. No, it was super creepy. And like, you know, it's kind of the same. It kind of does like the same type of suspense as Nurse Keating in the hallway where you're just, like, watching the scene and just watching that black screen and you're like, oh my God, what's gonna happen?
01;35;35;09 - 01;36;04;13
Yeah, there's a lot of good, like lingering horror in this movie, which I really appreciate. I would love to see more of that. You know, I'm going to go with the third reveal when Kinderman sits down with the Gemini Killer, because I absolutely love that transition from Jason Miller's performance into the yell that Brad Dourif does and like, get a closeup of his eyes and then you're just like, oh my God, it's so it's good.
01;36;04;16 - 01;36;29;05
It hits so hard. And I was like, that was awesome. It is. You guys, this is a testament to this movie that none of us chose the famous scissor jump scare. Oh, yeah. I think that says if you see any good other other good deals are it's a good movie. So if you're listening to this and you just like listening to podcasts and not seeing it, I think this might, you know, and be a little encouragement to give it a shot.
01;36;29;07 - 01;36;50;18
Yeah, yeah. Definitely watch definitely watch your privacy. Yeah. And you know, play on don't play on your switch while you're watching this movie. Or unless you're also watching Exorcist three on your switch and you just are you're double screening it. Yeah. I was like, yeah, yeah. That's so you can watch the original cut that has the scenes that look different, fill in the gap.
01;36;50;18 - 01;37;06;29
So like when you watch you watch those on your switch and you watch the movie on their TV so you can switch between movies. Yes. Yes. All right. Well, now it is time for a segment that we like to call the real monster.
01;37;07;01 - 01;37;31;20
Okay, I can I start because I have this is out as George C Scott yelling we're fine at the herbs. Yep. That was the best imitation. Yeah it was good. Thank you I was actually proud of that. She is just working. She's probably been on like a 12 hour shift. She has no context. All she's doing is being like hey you guys okay?
01;37;31;23 - 01;37;52;09
We're fine. Like it's like, is she the one that comes in with the oh no no no no no. That's the, there was a lady that comes in with, the drug cart. Yeah. And she's like, is this room 409? And they're like, no, she came in with the drug card. Then this nurse came in with the drug cartel, just like a bunch of, like, criminals with her.
01;37;52;09 - 01;38;12;19
Well, well, that lady, there was a deleted scene in the original cut where then he goes and he's like, oh, just a bunch of drugs on a cart that, like, anybody could take. Because we found out that this killer is injecting these people with this drug. And so that kind of plays into that. But but the the lady you're referencing who comes in and says, are you guys okay?
01;38;12;19 - 01;38;31;11
And he yells, just the sweetest. He plays the mom in boys in the hood. Do you know I've never seen Boyz in the hood? Danny. All right, I'm going to. I bet it's funny, I, I added that to my Q on a streaming service recently. I'm going to take this as a sign. Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait.
01;38;31;14 - 01;38;52;19
It's that easy, Danny. And you haven't watched Utah exit yet. There's a key point you're missing here, Casey. Danny does not want to watch this. I don't know, okay? There's a key point that he's missing. And then that I don't care. Have I heard any brownie points for watching all of the Terrifier movies? I mean, yeah, I didn't ask you to do that.
01;38;52;22 - 01;39;13;08
I never asked you to do that. Those were all your idea. And that's very. I have been asking you to watch for tragedy. I want that experience to be. I'm like, I know you want to be genuine. I want it to be just like jam in the confessional booth. But yeah, see, you could be jam in the confessional booth, but you don't.
01;39;13;08 - 01;39;27;25
Yeah, it wasn't a perfect scenario, but he just. It is the moment it seems he just went for. Maybe I watch it in a confessional on a switch, but.
01;39;27;28 - 01;39;49;12
Danny, you would like boys in the hood a lot more than you would like to to. I was going to say. Okay. But. Okay. Back to your real monster. Yes. Oh, yeah. And then I just have one more, and it's it's the, you know, like when you watch a chase scene in a movie and we know stunt people are there for a reason.
01;39;49;14 - 01;40;12;25
The suspension of disbelief. Even if you notice that Arnold is not quite Arnold in that show, you know. But there's an art to it. And this movie I think struggled. There's there's the fame, there's the faith. The famous scene when there's the God it's gonna be, there's this scene when they're in the cop car and Kinderman is in the passenger seat, and they're like cutting around, but the camera never cuts.
01;40;12;25 - 01;40;39;21
It's just a shot of this car, and it's driving toward us, and I'm like, no cut. Because it's so not George. See, Scott, it's like just this man sitting there. He's also not acting. He's just sitting there. Not we know it's not him because he's not yelling. Yeah, well, that's so that's so funny that you say that because during that scene I was also thinking about stunt people, but I wasn't looking at him.
01;40;39;21 - 01;41;00;18
I was looking at the driver. That's funny for some reason. And like, doesn't this guy is such? But like, that doesn't change. And I was thinking, oh, that makes sense. They probably just hired a stunt guy to play that role because he's just a that's just a sideshow. They're really better. And people notice, like, maybe they won't. Yeah.
01;41;00;18 - 01;41;20;16
I didn't even look at George Scott's case. That's funny. That's I rarely think about stunt people at all in movies, to be honest. But I was thinking about stunt people when it was showing Father Karras falling down the stairs in this movie. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, because I was like, then somebody really flung themselves down the stairs. Yeah, yeah, somebody really did that.
01;41;20;18 - 01;41;48;09
They're bringing stunts to the Oscars finally. So. Oh, that's it's about it's crazy that that's not in wow. Well, you know, better late than ever. Like so many, you know, movies wouldn't be around without, like, they used stunt people for everything. Like, arguably one of maybe the most deserving of, like, physically dies in time, man. Yeah, it's like crazy.
01;41;48;11 - 01;42;22;23
Casey, who's your real monster? So I also have, Candyman for, you know, it's. His name is Kinderman. Could be pronounced Kinderman. You should be a little bit kinder because, yeah, when he yells fine, just all of it. All of the yelling. That didn't need to happen. Yeah, it's pretty badass. Well, you know, there is that scene when Kinderman is in the, office with the director of the hospital who's yelling at him, and he's trying to tell him about the killer, and then he breaks down and he's like, he starts to cry, and he's like, I'm sorry.
01;42;22;25 - 01;42;40;20
You know, when he yells at the nurse. And I'm not saying he should have yelled at the nurse, I think it's like, where is this going? But he's also like really worried about his friend and he's super on edge of the killer and this and that. And so it's not okay. It's not okay. I agree with you. It's not okay.
01;42;40;22 - 01;42;56;27
He should be a kinder. He should be kinder man. What if he was screaming? And then the second she walked and he's like, oh thank you very much I know. My God. He turns back. No, I just, I just that when you said be kind of popped in my head when he breaks down later in the thing.
01;42;56;27 - 01;43;17;08
No. First, because that part did first meet me too, with the other guy because, like, he's trying to solve a murder that's happened in your hospital, and you would like him to leave. Yeah. Anyway. And he says, like, he goes on this whole thing about, like, this isn't a thing. Like, you can't just, like, lock us down like this and that and.
01;43;17;11 - 01;43;43;05
Oh, absolutely. Five minutes later, they go into the rooms that have like, double doors and security, you know, stuff. And I'm like, okay. Yeah. Because you don't lock patients down every day. My real monster is also kinderman. Maybe you should think about what he's going through. Zack. Well, I mean, mine's a little. He's, it's he's the real monster for saying mongoloid babies.
01;43;43;09 - 01;44;00;27
Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, he did for saying that we have, like, all these bad things in the world, and he says mongoloid babies. And I was like, yeah, okay, okay. Be a little time to stop while you're ahead. Yeah, that's in the first inning. You lost us. That's our takeaway from this. Thank you. Casey, be a little kinder, man.
01;44;00;29 - 01;44;28;00
I mean, you know, All right, now it's time for our final segment. Would you survive? Zach, I know your middle name is Katarina, so. Oh, I would survive. Yeah. They don't want to die. What else is my name? Katarina. Zach wouldn't survive because Zachary Katarina wins. Like they'd be all over that. Why? Like it's so weird.
01;44;28;01 - 01;44;51;09
We were just watching fucking Daniel Tiger this morning. I know there's a tiger. You don't know what Daniel Tiger is. Oh, my God, it's a show for toddlers. Based on I was wondering, I was like, is this the show? Okay, but one of the characters is Katarina, and she was, it was literally the first, name of the K that popped into my head, which is really funny because what the fuck kind of name is Katarina?
01;44;51;09 - 01;45;11;08
I don't know, Cassie might be a threat, but only if it was the Hannibal Lecter version of the Gemini Killer. Because he would not. He would just hear the curse sound got. She's a victim. Yeah. And Daniel cameraman. It's endemic. And so at the start of Benjamin, you know.
01;45;11;11 - 01;45;33;00
Colonel, I think we have a lot of these. And, I mean, they're all silent. We don't survive. We also are fine. Oh, wait, you have a what happens if you have a K at the end of your name? I don't think it matters, Danny. Oh, shoot. Makes you think. All right, you guys, that's it. That's Exorcist three. That is our first movie in our Devil's Index triple feature.
01;45;33;05 - 01;45;53;08
Oh, yeah. That was so good. I mean, yeah, yeah, we've we've said it enough times, but that's, the best. It's a really good movie. It is. I was going to say, because the second movie we have coming up is also a great example. It's like the quintessential devils in dicks, but this is this is a classic.
01;45;53;15 - 01;46;18;25
So what is our next movie? Coming up in Devil's in Dicks, Casey 707677067. Isn't that like a thing? No, I was gonna count down. I just said counting down to the title seven. And you were going to say seven, six, five. Yeah. 3217. That's exciting. Seven. Isn't that great? Yeah. I'm very fucking movie. It does it.
01;46;18;25 - 01;46;44;15
Our first David Fincher movie? Yeah, I think so, yeah. Because we didn't do, like, alien three or anything. No, it's our second. Andrew. Kevin Walker, he wrote the screenplay, who also wrote Sleepy Hollow. Okay. I had the distinct pleasure of meeting Andrew Kevin Walker a couple months ago, and he was a real mensch. That's awesome. I was like, I felt like I was giddy.
01;46;44;18 - 01;46;59;27
I was so nervous to talk to him, first of all. And then someone I was someone who I had met was like, so the opposite of me. And I was like, come here to me and literally put your arm round. I was like, excuse me. Hi. How's it going? He's a really big fan. And I was like, oh, well, that worked.
01;46;59;29 - 01;47;24;11
Maybe I should just do that. And, well, he's got a new movie coming out this year, right? For like, he wrote it, psycho killer. That looks pretty fucking good. I'm excited for that one. Very excited. But yeah. No. Super excited to watch seven. That's our next movie in Devils in Dicks. Let us know what you think of The Exorcist three comment on this episode on Spotify.
01;47;24;17 - 01;47;47;25
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01;47;47;28 - 01;48;10;08
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01;48;10;11 - 01;48;35;18
Awesome, wonderful. You can find me on social media at Zack. When sick, I wonder if Boromir Boromir Boromir seen you puts Eminem Sinbad. Boromir. Yeah. No. Oh my god, I'm gonna take this too far. Skittles. This message. Please stay for it. Danny. You know, they say when you die, you may evacuate your house. Yeah, yeah he did, but it was just him.
01;48;35;19 - 01;48;54;27
And as they came out, it's like one of those candy was. He's like, put the quarters in and you turn the knob and they all, like, crawl out. Yeah. Well, actually, if you go back and listen, they don't show it. Obviously if you listen, you hear like a, like a sound of, like, M&Ms clinking together, like, yeah, yeah.
01;48;54;27 - 01;49;15;18
One of those machines really aren't that exciting. Like two of many Eminem isn't there, like, escorts. Isn't there like a battle going on with, like, orcs, right. Yeah. They just all come over and this. I'm num num num num num. Eminem's are back on the menu, boys.
01;49;15;21 - 01;49;39;01
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01;49;39;03 - 01;49;57;29
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