Continuing our “Under the Influence” triple feature, we’re getting wiiiicked daaaahhhhk with floating demonic doppelgangers, the trials and turmoil of caregiving, and Lipstickgate in Bryan Bertino’s THE DARK AND THE WICKED, starring Marin Ireland, Michael Abbott Jr., Julie Oliver-Touchstone, and Xander Berkeley.
Continuing our “Under the Influence” triple feature, we’re getting wiiiicked daaaahhhhk with floating demonic doppelgangers, the trials and turmoil of caregiving, and Lipstickgate in Bryan Bertino’s THE DARK AND THE WICKED, starring Marin Ireland, Michael Abbott Jr., Julie Oliver-Touchstone, and Xander Berkeley.
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At least today we continue our Under the Influence Triple Feature series with Bryan Bertino. 2020 Possession Allegory for the trials and turmoil of taking on the role of caregiver for a loved one who, when times are clanging, the demonic doppelgangers are creeping and the pressures of giving all of yourself to someone against the worst possible odds, like a health care hating devil in this case wreak emotional havoc as we meet the literally shadowed Prince of Darkness himself in the dark and the wicked.
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You're listening to How I Met Your Monster, a podcast that explores the introductions to your favorite movie, Monsters. My name is Zach. I'm Danny, and I'm Casey. And together we dive into the world of horror to find out how filmmakers have introduced us to our favorite monsters. Time and time again. This is how I met your mother.
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You will meet. We met him 15 years ago. I was told there's nothing less explorers in the region and experience demons to solve angels to others. It is surprisingly. Hello and welcome to How I Met Your Monster. The show where we discussed introductions to your favorite movie, Monsters. We are on part two of our Under the Influence triple feature series, where we watched the dark and the wicked.
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Casey, you picked this movie? I did? Yeah. Why? I love it. It is a visit to Casey where the Casey movie, It's Dead is as it's sad, It's depressing. Yeah. I don't know what I was expecting because I was like, we talked about this earlier, How I didn't really anticipate the tone. Yeah. And then obviously figured it out, and I was like, What the hell was I think Casey chose.
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Yeah, you just always pick, like, dour movies. But I do know, like, Yeah, of the three of us, she's the one too. I do have a tendency. Lean in that direction. Yeah. And this one just kind of spells it out for you. Right on the in the title. It's dark and wicked, so. yeah. I don't know what else to expect from this.
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Yeah, it's pretty interesting to. My uncle is in hospice right now. So watching this is like. Yeah, hit a nerve. I'm not super close to them, but, yeah, it's like, I wonder if a demon is going to try to possess my uncle. Well, that's what hospice. Those are the kinds of thoughts that hospice puts in our heads.
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Yeah. And, well, I'm sorry to hear that. it's okay. Yeah. Yeah, for a while. I just, you know, like I said, I'm not really close, so I'm more worried about my mom because we lost my grandma a few months ago, and. And now her brother and. But she's okay. Yeah. Yeah. What's the thing about, like, movies like this?
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There's been, like, a lot of. I don't know. I've been especially, like, over the past few years, there's been a big conversation and sometimes a lot of, like, contention to about horror movies that are kind of allegories for grief and trauma. And I feel like that conversation really picked up quite a bit, especially with, you know, like, the kinds of movies A24 puts out.
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I feel like the sounds get called that a lot like the witch where they are horror. Yeah, you know, by definition, like the genre, but they lean heavily into kind of this topic. I don't know. We talked about this recently. There there's like a distinction between what we might call elevated horror versus horror because horror, the genre has always used, you know, like monsters and gore and all of that to kind of as a is like a gateway into talking about these darker issues that are more grounded in things that like, are more universal.
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Right? I can't remember what we landed on, like what made that distinction, but this one definitely feels like that would fit into that category. Yeah, well, I think, you know, like that term elevated horror. I think all they've been, all they started doing was just blending more drama elements into the horror genre. You know, like it's basically like drama movies with horror undertones and maybe undertones is a little too maybe it is to say, Yeah, exactly.
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But they lean more heavily on the drama and maybe there's more room for interpretation. Like it's kind of open for interpretation of like, maybe this didn't really happen the way it wasn't as literal, you know, like, maybe there wasn't a monster. I'm not sure if that fits with this movie, because I think it's pretty clear that there's some like external force affecting them that isn't just grief and trauma and stress, but maybe that's also kind of like a big deal like defining factor for something that is like, quote unquote, elevated horror.
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Yeah. You know, like the difference between the thing and the which is that there's clearly a defined monster in the thing. Whereas in the witch, it could just be like the emotional toll, right. Right. The events of that movie have kind of put on the family. Yeah. Yeah. And this one was written and directed by Bryan Bertino, who also made The Strangers.
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He also made a movie called The Monster. Did you guys see that? No, I hadn't actually wanted to watch that when we were working on Cottonmouth. yeah. Same here. Because it was about as far as I know, it was kind of a limited location movie about a person fending off a monster. And I was like, yeah, they're like, trapped in a car and vacation is kind of a coup.
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Just Yeah, totally. But no, for whatever reason, I did not end up watching. Yeah, I missed it too. And, but like the stranger, you know this in the Strangers, a similar. I don't know why his movies and otherwise movies have to be so mean. They just mean somebody has got. And he's a great filmmaker. Is a great filmmaker.
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Like, man, there's so much talent on this, on the screen and behind the camera and like, my gosh, there's so well made. But just like, why this? Why you got to be so mean? Yeah, You're not here to have fun in this at all. Yeah, I definitely enjoyed it. More on the second viewing than the first one.
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I think the first time I watched it, you had recommended it to me and you were I think you had said like it's just terrifying. It was so scary. Yeah. And it's still spooky to me. So I went into it, went in like with like a very high expectation of being scared. And that never works out when you go into a movie with I'll just quit telling you it.
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I mean, my opinion. Okay, good. Thank you. No, don't do that. But you know what? But you know what I'm saying? Like. Yeah, No matter. Like, what do we do? The other day? We talked about it a few weeks and then. Yeah. Where it was like, Holy shit, that movie blew my mind. But still, nothing could top the whatever was an idea.
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Even though even though I didn't know what it was in my head just because it's whatever. But. But anyway, it's going into it. Having seen it once before, it's still the only reason I don't like it is because it's just mean. And I, it's so dark. Well, but other than that, like, it's very well-made and there's some it's a really great story.
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It's just And so with all that being said, Danny, this was the first time you watched it. Did you like this movie? I did. I did not know what to expect. Obviously, New as a possession movie because of our feature. I really liked it. It's really dark. And it. Yeah, it was very disturbing. Yeah. But I really enjoyed it.
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And I really enjoyed it in the sense that I enjoyed, like, the the the approach it took on doing a possession movie. It was something that I hadn't really seen before, I guess. Yeah. With the whole, like, you know, taking care of a family member in that burden and what that represents. But as, like, a vibe and like a mood and how I left the movie, and I didn't feel great, but I think that was the point.
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That's what I love. It's so funny to me. I don't know. I'm just a stranger. I guess. So. Can I tell you guys what I really love about this movie? Absolutely. So aside from that, I do love the dark and the end and dreary. I like feeling uncomfortable. This movie did scare me. It still does when I watch it.
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Like there are parts that still freak me out. And you guys know that I don't like seeing what I'm afraid of. And I think that's why I like these action movies, because they're using people as a vessel. So you're never you're not usually seeing the entity or the demon or whatever it is you're supposed to be afraid of.
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Right. So, you know, there are parts in this movie that still genuinely freak me out, especially thinking about, well, we'll get to we'll get to it when we did the reveal, but so good. Another thing that I love about it is I love a movie. First of all, hour and a half runtime. You guys know I'm a fan.
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yeah. I love movies like this that do not require any kind of backstory. And then there's also these characters aren't going into like, we got to figure out this ancient X, Y, Z and solve this thing and get, you know what I mean? And it's not that at all. It's these people are freaking out. They have no idea what the fuck to do, so they don't do anything, okay?
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And they just are like so fucked up because of what's going on. They have no idea how to deal with it. So they just keep. Do you like movies that lean more into the emotional journey rather than the like the mystery, the the physical journey? I mean, I certainly like those movies, too, but these kinds of movies like this are a lot more rare.
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Yeah. You know, So, like, that's why I really I really do like it when movies like that. And it's a gamble doing a movie like it is because, I mean, you are sort of you're not giving your audience answers. A lot of. Yeah, a lot of answers, but also a lot of like room to breathe, too, because it's so dark and because it's you're dealing with a topic that hits close to home for a lot of people.
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I mean, you literally just brought up the fact that your uncle is in hospice. You know, these are things. These are real things. So do you kind of, you know, for someone maybe who has an experience that these movies are good at, kind of evoking that emotional response from the that type of audience member where it's like, okay, you may not understand and how horrifying and terrible and what this does to you.
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Let me show you. You know, like, this is the best I can do. Obviously, we're being very literal, Like these are monsters, but sometimes that is kind of how it could feel. And yeah, this is like a great way to kind of get that out of, you know. Yeah, I mean it. But like, evoking that emotion. Yeah. Yeah.
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And it's just like a small movie. And I don't mean that in terms of like budget or whatever, but just like the world of this movie, like we're just in this, you know, this one farmhouse and we're on this farm and it's just like, like just a normal family. It's just very small. It's nothing grand and small. Can,
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That Bryan Bertino seems attracted to that type of thing. You know, it's. Yeah. And even though we hadn't seen the monster, we. Yeah, it's, it was another limited look. Yeah. Which I also really like movies like that. Especially when they can do it's like it's a great being like emotionally claustrophobic. We talk about claustrophobia a lot and he seems to like to do that with less.
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Not like literally claustrophobic, but just feeling confined and stuck with your personal problems that maybe either people don't understand or can't help with for whatever reason. Yeah, which is kind of scarier. That's terrifying. you do feel stuck on that farm, like. Yeah. Even though either one of them could leave at whatever moment, like they're not. And it's just.
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Yeah, just. You just feel like what happens when they did. Yeah. Yeah. So Yeah. Which is a, you know, we're kind of jumping, that's literally the end. But that is a great way to show how it's that burden, you know, quote unquote burden. I don't mean that as like if just because someone sick doesn't mean that, you know, some you know, you want to help.
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Yeah. You like, but it is still a burden by definition. So then to leave that, you still then okay, maybe you don't have the burden, but the burden has sort of manifested itself in a different way. Now it's guilt. You know, if you do leave, it's still there. It's still haunting you, your life or complete change because of it, because now that's who you are as a person.
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You're either a person who stepped in to help unplanned because, you know, you can't anticipate these things all the time, or you're the person who walked away and left them for whatever reason. Right? So it's just yeah, it's just it's end of life care is is necessary and it's inevitable, but it is scary and it comes with a lot of baggage, whether you like it or not, whether you care knowing or how hard you care for someone.
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I mean, it just that's just the way it is. And it's just life. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Man Well, this is dark and wicked. Yeah. So let's meet those monster monsters. Yeah, that's. I will say with this movie, as dark as it is, I think one thing that I was really pleased with and happy to see was it really leans into the there's like a funhouse horror element to it that oddly fits here.
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Funhouse Yeah. And you know, like lights flickering creatures in the shadows, jump scares. Yes. Sound of, you know, like, sound like. Yeah. Really leaning into it's not just there to kind of make you feel miserable. It is there to kind of elicit, you know, scares and get you kind of all rattled. and it worked for me, at least.
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Like, as you said, it scared the shit out of her. So. Yes. And once it picks up, I mean, what we're going to get into, but once it does pick up, it's unrelenting, which is nice because it is a slow burn. This movie is slow and just slow burn that just as some movies are that. but once it's once it hits the ground, it's like hoof.
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It doesn't, it doesn't let go. Yeah. Yeah. As as Rose would have said have the Titanic you. Yeah. Okay. But before we get into this movie and meet our monster, there are a few things I'd like to talk about. Fangoria, Fangoria, Angourie. If you would like to help support our show and get some great horror content through Fangoria magazine and all of its great merch, visit shop dot Fangoria dot com Slash How I Met Your Monster and Enter Promo Code How I Met You Monster at checkout and you'll get 20% off your whole cart.
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Let's do wicked wicked. Zach Let's get wicked. Zach All right, let's meet this monster power.
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So, Kacey, you pick this movie. So before we count up our reveals that we're going to cover in this movie, can you please read the synopsis of the dark and the wicked? The dark and the wicked, The dark and the wicked Like attack on a secluded farm in a nondescript rural town. A man is slowly dying. His family gathers to mourn.
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And soon as you move, it's dark. And it is this really set final sword over. So talk themselves. No, I love it to me. You interrupted me. No, do it. Do it all the way. I love the the Massachusetts Long Islander. It's great. I don't know. I am not familiar with either one, really. So, you know, I'm sorry, to be honest.
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It's kind of like Connecticut. I always like one of Connecticut doesn't have an accent. But every now and then you meet people. I'm like, What is that? So Boston, is that New York? Is it like, what are you? And I guess Connecticut's like the it's like the mayonnaise in the sandwich. It's just shouldn't be there. No, but it is.
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And it's weird. I thought I was doing Boston because I was I was really channeling my and Julianne Moore from 30 Rock. you guys do it. please. Yeah. As Julianne Moore from 30 Rock. Well, and now I see now I'm not as into it. I'll get into it. I'm doing it, get it talking with you guys, yelling at me.
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Come on, we got to get talking. Wicked gets super dark and super wicked get super dark severe, wicked. Say hi to your mother for me. On a secluded farm in a nondescript rural town, a man is slowly dying. His family gathers to mourn, and soon a darkness grows marked by waking nightmares and a growing sense that something evil is taking over their family.
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I think it's violence like a life that you forget you fucking did the same thing. Yes or no? It sounded all the same to me. Are you from Boston? No. Are you from Illinois? I'm no. How do you know what they sound like? Leave me alone. That's most beautiful. It was. It was so funny. It was beautiful. The fact that I got such a good laugh out of it like that is like I almost lost it.
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I'm like, You lost it? Yeah, you did lose it. It's. It's. It's the the very new phrase you used to hear all the time. I know what you say. It is that maybe a lot of people laughed at me. I don't know. But you used they were not laughing at You were laughing with you. yeah. That's what bullies say.
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Or as Bob, they're not like you were laughing around you. Yeah, well, I'm sorry. I don't want to bully you. I'm sorry. That's okay. you guys used to bully me. Excuse me? Your friends used to bully me. My friends used to bully me. No, my your friends. My friends are bullies, dude. I mean, yeah, those people anymore.
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But my friends are fucking bullies, too. I'm sorry I bullied you. It was probably because I felt pressured by my bully friends to be a bully. Because I'm sorry if I bullied you because I was bullied by my friends, so. All right, I get it, man. I'm sorry that I believe you need to be one outlier here.
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Okay, So today's monster, which we haven't really discussed yet, is the devil. The devil? It's the state. What the devil instead of. And this time he's not in an elevator. He is on a farm. No. Zephyr? Yep. And they make the rounds, the dark and the wicked, by my count. And I think by your count, too, Casey has 13 revealed.
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Yes, I'm on my count. And an honorable mention. Danny, how many reveals did you come up with? Got ten. Ten. Okay. But it could have something to do with me struggling. I don't. I don't know how to count. Well, there were some there some very quick reveals in this, which literally, like a blink and you'll miss it kind of thing.
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Okay. So maybe there was some in there that and I couldn't stop thinking throughout this. Your blinker. I mean, what can you say You turn me left because I'm a blinker. I think that's better than right. I guess I. All right. So. So actually, our first reveal comes within, I don't know, 2 minutes, one minute. The movie. Is that the one you missed?
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They missed that one. Yep. I like looking at my notes. I'm like, so it is the dove. The first time we see the devil. You got all the goats, Sheep. They're sheep, right? Because she's are they goats, lambs, lambs That. Well, what's the difference. I mean I thought they were goats. Sheep. A lamb is a baby sheep.
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Okay, well farm animals I think they're goats. Yeah. Cause some have horns. Yes they do. Yeah. Farm animals of a similar species. That's right. There might be sheep and goats. Who knows? That's true. So they're kind of going nuts, right? And there's a lot. They're in the barn, they're going nuts, and there's lots of quick cuts of them running back and forth.
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And in those quick cuts, there is a, I don't know, maybe maybe three frames. Yeah, very short of the devil in his, like bald head and glowing eyes. And he's just like down at the level of the sheep slash goats. Yeah. Just crouched in them and he's cut and I think it's like the color like blends in like the color of his skin blends in kind of with the, the color of the, the fur.
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And it's so quick. And I rewound it. I like I was watching it. I was like, did I just see something? And like, I ruined it. And I was like, I tried to pause it on a thing. I was like, my God, he's in there, like, right out of the gate. Yep, he's right in there. So then, we got they kind of set up, they establish a lot of things to kind of tell us that the devils around.
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So they have those wind chimes on the barn. They go off pretty erratically and the sheep or the lambs, the goats, whatever, they maybe tend to like it all know frazzled. But I did not. I did not know that we literally see him. Yeah. Yep. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I love the beginning of this movie because we've talked before specifically when we covered the Village.
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Like how much a lack of music or score can do for something. And there's like, I guess there's probably some ambiance like stuff going on, but there's not really any music in this part. Yeah. And you just get the wind chimes or super or nothing. Well, yeah, the wind chimes that bottles and stuff that are hanging on the door.
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yeah. And there she has hung up. She has, she has those hung up I think for wolves. Right. Yeah. To alert them if, if a predator comes in there. Yeah. Yeah. So but it's so quiet other than that and then you know, it's just not having any music. I don't know. It's very impactful to me. I like it when that.
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Yeah. Feels real. It's sort of like we're hearing what the characters are hearing, right. You know, like the movies are telling us. Yeah. That's a that's the problem with real life. There's no danger music. There's no danger music. But we get to talk about the cable guy again today. We'll find a way to work at Jim Carrey instead of Movie Monster.
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Well, we'll do we'll put him in somewhere else. But yeah, that's the thing. Like it when it comes in later in the movie too, about like wolves and sheep and he's you know, the the brother who doesn't believe in God and the preacher the priest who says, Do you think the wolf cares if you think he's a wolf or not?
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Like, no, he's going to fucking attack because he knows what he is, whatever, whatever that may be. So when the devil shows up as disguised as a people, is that supposed to be like the wolf in sheep's clothing? yeah. Movie. You did it again. Here's sneaky little fuck. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, shows up and he's like, Hi.
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You just thought this movie was your neighbor, but it's also smart. It's smart and dark. Smart. It's dark. But here's a question. And it might, you know, we might learn some things as we talk more about this. The siblings, the daughter and the. The son. Louise and Michael. Louise and Michael, thank you. They show up. And this might be a better question for the end of this episode, but I'm going to ask it now.
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And we can think of we can revisit it if we need to. Were they and I read somewhere that, you know, somebody I read a synopsis somewhere different than the IMDB one where it says the brother and sister are summoned back to the house of their dying father. Were they going to end up there no matter what is that just like their destiny?
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Do they mean to be Were they, like, pulled there by some force, by Satan? Well, okay. By state or a phone call. I mean, there's literally scenes in this movie where people are talking and you're not you think you're talking to one person and you find out you're actually talking to. That's true. The devil pretending to be someone.
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So maybe they were, you know, called to be like, hey, you know, your mom's really sick. Your dad your dad's really sick. But I feel like your mom's sick of it. I feel like they would have addressed that because the mom keeps saying, I told you not to come. So I feel like if they were, you know, if she if the devil made a phone call disguised as their mother and told them to come than they would have brought up.
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But this but I do feel like my question is not like because like the mom didn't say don't come Yeah. For something Spanish. Really. sorry. That's okay. I'm just I was addressing how Dani said, you know, they were people making phone calls without actually making phone calls. I don't necessarily think that, but yeah, I do think that, yes, Satan, the force of Satan pulled them back there.
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Yeah. Yeah. Which again, could be sort of symbolic of just like it's supposed to represent that the guilt that you feel, it's like you feel an obligation to obligation. That's a much better word. Yeah. Like even though Mom's telling me not to, maybe she doesn't really mean that. You know, people don't usually say what they mean in these situations.
00:30:25:16 - 00:30:48:24
They pass the burden on to someone else, especially a parent. And maybe that's But in this case, obviously, the quote unquote twist is the mom's like, no, I literally didn't want you to come. Like, yeah, she knew that that was that wasn't just I wasn't trying to be nice. Like, yeah, yeah. Well, we'll find out later that the devil can trick the people, whether and that's part of my question too.
00:30:48:24 - 00:31:11:26
It's like, was it them just going there? And then when they showed up to care for their dad, even though the mom told him not to come, then it's like, then they encounter the devil and it's like, now surprise devils in my life. And I got to deal with that. Or, Yeah, did this devil force, was that already like had found them out in their own lives and pulled them in because we know that.
00:31:12:00 - 00:31:33:18
I think it's a fun thing. The devil can trick them, which we'll find out later when Michael goes home. We know that he can be traced. So it's I think all of that can be true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I think that's just like, obviously, like it could work either way. And I think it's yeah, I don't know if there's, like, there's not an answer that they don't say an answer in the book.
00:31:33:19 - 00:31:56:22
Yeah. Yeah. It's what you going to spot. I don't think it's, I don't think you're wrong if you were to say like I think that was the I think that's what happened either way in the movie. Yeah. I think it's still, it's still like it could, it's possible. Yeah. If it's something called them there it was either the like Casey said the obligation, the guilt or a literal supernatural force.
00:31:57:27 - 00:32:20:07
yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. I didn't think of that. It could have been. It could have worked if they had done kind of kind of presented it as more of a reveal or a twist. Like Casey, I think you also just said this earlier where, like, if the mom had said, like or it's Eric, maybe if Luis had said, Mom, you called me, you know, Yeah, call me to come.
00:32:20:07 - 00:32:37:21
And she said, like, no, I didn't. Or, you know, like, or had said it like to kind of still leave some gray area. She could have said, you know, like, our neighbor Ellen, said that you look like you are really tied up over here. I had to come and and then you find out later, it's like Ellen's about dead for five months.
00:32:37:24 - 00:33:06:27
But yeah, yeah, I don't know. Just something to think about. But our next reveal is the devil again. In the doorway. Yes, in the shadows. Which is really cool because I think it's Louise is walking back and forth because the door blew open through the wind. Yes. I don't know. I didn't count this one. Yeah, I don't know either.
00:33:06:27 - 00:33:24:23
Danny noticed it. I liked it. I made notes about it, but I didn't officially clock it as a as a reveal. Yeah, because, like, you walk by one way and there's nobody in the doorway, I think. And then you walk by and there's a shadow of the devil. And then she crosses again. And it's the shadow of the mom.
00:33:25:24 - 00:33:42:13
Or maybe it's just the devil right out of the gate. And then the mom. I don't know if it's an empty doorway at all, but. Right. But is it always, though? Is it always just the mom, do you think? right. Okay. You know, or just the. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's a good question.
00:33:42:13 - 00:34:03:21
It's just some questions that I want to bring up later about. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Some questions about how these people are used by the devil. What is considered illusion? What is what is possession, what is all of that? So we'll get into that later because there's a scene later that is a little bit more specific than that.
00:34:03:24 - 00:34:28:07
Okay. Well, so so Luis and Michael are they're at the house. They're deciding how long they want to stay. The mom says you shouldn't have come anyways. And over the course of that night, that was Monday. That was Monday night. The mom, she just chops off those little digits, those little baby carrots that she calls fingers. Yes, she does chops.
00:34:28:07 - 00:34:49:11
And it's just this chop muff. She chops them up. She she Gordon Ramsay to chop a ball. I've been you know, I just got a new kitchen knife lately and I've been trying to look up, like, cutting techniques. yeah. So she actually implements a various techniques, so she goes from chopping to dicing. She doesn't quite reach mincing, but.
00:34:49:14 - 00:35:14:24
Okay, I think if she wasn't maybe compelled to go to the barn and hang herself, maybe she could have cut a little stone. Yeah. Yeah. But she, she needs to put that knuckle. She needs to use the knuckle there to break exactly that sort of way to get spears. Yeah. Just be careful. Yeah, Well, yeah, I think that's, you know, part of the thing is, like, can your knuckles better than cutting your fingertip?
00:35:14:27 - 00:35:44:05
Yeah. Yeah. yeah. Just cut your knuckle off so your finger like dangles, I think not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't need your knuckles either, you know, They're just. okay. Okay. So the first two games have made that very clear. You do not always need your know. Yeah. You don't need knuckles. So I did not know you freeloading the new knuckles television show on Paramount Plus.
00:35:44:07 - 00:36:05:20
Yeah. And also the fact that Knuckles will be appearing in the third Sonic the Hedgehog movie. Knuckles was in the second Sonic the Hedgehog movie. And I'm just promoting the fact that Knuckles was in part two, Sonic the Hedgehog movie, and we'll be returning in part three. Okay. Casey, I'm so sorry. I continue. You're not sorry. I'm. I just like this sonic movie.
00:36:05:20 - 00:36:31:27
I'm sorry. I like the Sonic we were. Do I love Ben Schwartz? Hello? Hello, Hello. Hello. So I did not have the hanging as any kind of reveal that, you know. Okay. Yeah, but it does need to be mentioned, obviously, because they're very. yeah. Story. Yeah. I love the scene when they find her. Yeah. No I'm awful.
00:36:32:00 - 00:36:54:03
No it's gets, gets super effective. No I'm just filming because it's like it was a good like it was impactful scene. Yeah. I loved the, the silhouettes, you know, like there's no music again. Silhouettes, slow like push out and yeah, it's really like, yeah, I think it works so well because like we kind of talked about earlier, it is such a slow burn movie.
00:36:54:03 - 00:37:16:26
So personally, like I didn't anticipate something. So I guess I thought her cutting her fingers was like, she's hallucinating, right? It's like losing it. Well, yeah, sure. The fact that this is actually kind of like the inciting incident of the movie. Yeah. Where it's like, no, this character is now dismissed from the story or. And it's this is where it starts.
00:37:16:28 - 00:37:33:00
Kind of. It hits the ground running, and we're like, We're in the shit now. Like, this is it. This is a possession movie. It is going to be going nonstop from here on out. Yeah. So I was actually pretty shocked and I was pleased in a kind of morbid way to see them go that dark that quickly. Of course.
00:37:33:00 - 00:37:53:26
Okay. That is that is kind of morbid, Danny. Well, but yeah, but I mean, you're like, you're like cutting your fingers off. That's the best way to talk. Talking to come out. How do we, how do we heighten this? How do we so and so. Louise like moves that bucket over so that she can stay right to cut the thing.
00:37:53:29 - 00:38:10:25
Right. And I love that. Like she doesn't move it far enough really. Like she's on like, she's on the edge of it. Kind of like tipping over. And then later we find out that the like Michael's like, how did she get up there anyways? Because, like, you move the bucket across, like there's nothing there to hang or not.
00:38:10:25 - 00:38:37:09
Yeah. that kind of gave me like the those are. Yeah. Those are all these the scenes that freak me out the most because like you were talking about this earlier Zach, once it, the idea is planted in your head, what that is, is sometimes much scarier than you could see onscreen in something as simple as just like, I mean it's, I mean, it's heartless, obviously, someone being hanged, but like, just a physical, like movement of someone like.
00:38:37:09 - 00:39:05:15
Ooh, that's terrifying. Yeah. Yeah. Well, what happened in that moment? What did it look like? That's spooky. But so okay, so Tuesday goes really quickly with the little Tuesdays that's like. It's like this is gun. Leonard Skinner was on that form, but like, you know, the title cards are like Monday and like, a bunch happens, and then it was like Tuesday then like the mom did, then it's like Wednesday, so.
00:39:05:17 - 00:39:31:10
shit, Tuesday was the fall. They were just dealing with that, you know? Yeah, it's a rough day. Tuesday was rough. It's usually how fast my workweek feels. But our next reveal comes by my calculations. Our next reveal comes in the form of Louise's dad. Maybe in the shower. Yes. Yeah. This first one. Which Louise. my gosh.
00:39:31:17 - 00:39:53:09
She's, like, in the shower. She hears somebody in the bathroom. She's like, Can I get a minute or something like that? And then she just borrows open the shower curtain. She gives herself a jump. Scared? Yeah Well, she also exposes herself exactly like, yeah, it's either your dad or your brother. Why are you just, like, whipping the shower curtain over?
00:39:53:09 - 00:40:18:27
Wouldn't you just, like, peek your head out and be like, Yeah. Hey, guys, I have a question. Really? Is Louise an exhibitionist? Maybe. Could be. She did work at the post office, so you never know. That doesn't have anything to do with anything. come on. You know about post office. cool. You know about post offices, you know.
00:40:18:27 - 00:40:39:08
Have you ever seen the back of a post office? Do you know what goes on back? shit. What are you saying? That people fuck in the post office? Danny, you wrote a whole script about it? Yeah, about people fucking in the back of the post office. Yeah. Or delivering mail. Wait, do I have the wrong definition of what an exhibitionist is?
00:40:39:10 - 00:41:05:14
I do, though. I'm thinking of bitchiness as someone who shows that likes to present themselves to people. That's a shit. yeah. I just. I would think that the people in the post office just get naked in the back. That's what I thought. I thought you were implying like they. It's like. I mean, this stretch of where my brain went, I thought you meant like, because they work at the post office, it's like advantageous for them because they can like, put pictures of themselves.
00:41:05:14 - 00:41:21:07
They get into like. Like slipping into people's letters. you did? Yeah. Open their mail, like, God, you didn't take a stretch there. I just thought it was like a Santa's workshop kind of thing with a bunch of elves in the back post office. But they're all naked. The them them being naked, that is what exhibitionism is.
00:41:21:07 - 00:41:41:18
But that just didn't make any sense to me because nobody can fucking see you in the back of the post office. So. Well, she doesn't work at the post office anymore because she likes to go to care for her dying father. So she throws open the shower curtain and we get our next reveal of the dad possessed or.
00:41:41:18 - 00:42:05:21
Yeah, yeah. You know, he probably wasn't even there. It was probably the devil just fucking right? Right. But he presents himself in the form of her father with, like, a weird, head shake, shake kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, he pees himself in that scene, doesn't it? Does she check to see if he put himself in bed to kind of.
00:42:06:07 - 00:42:22:14
I don't think so. No. Prove whether or not she's him, because she does it later. There's a scene later, which is we'll get to it. But she kind of like it. Maybe that's what prompted it. Maybe she's thinking like, I didn't check last time. I should be a little bit I should keep my eyes open for proof that, like, Dad is actually walking around.
00:42:22:15 - 00:42:53:21
Yeah, right. But I think I'm answering my own question. So. Ah, under the influence table feature of possession movies. Very clearly does not feature The Exorcist, which no one might consider to be the quintessential possession movie taking to the streets over that, by the way. But we give we pay homage to that movie in the form of the DP scene from in the Doc in the Wicked with the scene with the dad in his pants.
00:42:53:28 - 00:43:29:15
Yeah. Reagan upstairs and peeing, Where's he going with this? There's a little it was kind of a stretch, but no other there. So there's here a little exorcist bit in our. There's also like the fact that, like, you know, the movies contain possession. So, you know. Yeah, that's something I also like The Exorcist. Did you know that any movie that features a character peeing themselves is actually a possession movie, even if they don't necessarily explore that subgenre really, or stories or characters.
00:43:29:17 - 00:43:54:01
Interesting. I don't believe you. The fact. Okay, my honorable mention is next. my God. Is it is yours? I feel like I know. No, because this is I feel like we should mention this, even though it's not necessarily reveal because it sets up quite a bit. Yeah. See, this is crazy that we have the same amount of reveals and an honorable mention, but they're not the same.
00:43:54:03 - 00:44:20:05
Yeah, I'm interested. Okay. What's your honorable mention for this? What's your review? My honorable mention is when Louise reads through her mom's journal. Totally. because as a as a reveal. Okay, well, I have Michael read the mom's diary, and he says, Devil, devil, devil. that's later. I would. Did I just. Maybe. Maybe I'm going to say I'm going to go with Casey on.
00:44:20:05 - 00:44:43:19
This is more of an honorable mention because it is it doesn't prove anything. Right. It's still sort of just like suggesting it, right? Is it you know, she hanged herself. So is she just cuckoo bananas? Yeah. Is there something wrong? Yeah. Yeah. Or. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, they do spell it out, though. I mean, Luis says that or whoever is isn't Michael who reads it.
00:44:43:19 - 00:45:10:06
Ah, Louise, I have Michael who reads his mom's diary. And then I wrote Devil, Devil, Devil in this. An expert. Does it special mention that. Yeah. they specifically mention that Virginia said the mom said that she sees the devil in the shadows and that the devil wants David's soul in that. And then, like, later, she they kind of expand on that and say that the devil just won't leave them alone.
00:45:10:12 - 00:45:31:20
Okay. So they they are setting up the fact that, like, the devil's there, but technically not a reveal. Yeah, sort of. Is it the first mention of the devil? Yes. Interest. And that's why I put it down, because it was like, here's they're telling us who are monsters to the devil. So maybe it is an honorable mention, though, because it's sort of setting it up.
00:45:31:23 - 00:45:50:13
Yes. Like we know we're going to be, but we haven't quite met them yet. Just because you read the book doesn't mean you met the character, you know? So that's a famous thing, right? It is. Now, it's going to be one of the bags where it's doing in the bush bushel and a pack and a hug around your neck.
00:45:50:15 - 00:46:15:23
That's it. That's the one. Yeah. Yeah. We now we got Yeah. So it's definitely an honorable mention. Yeah. Okay. The spider, we're about to spider crawling out of the fucking dad's mouth. Yeah. Yeah. pretty. You like. Gosh, I didn't. I mean, not a reveal, but just like. Yes. personality. I counted that as a review of It's you.
00:46:15:27 - 00:46:41:22
What? Danny What? Because, Louis, it's the first time Louise sees something. Because her seeing the dad in the shower could have just been either a hallucination or dad is sick, and maybe he's sleepwalking or something. I don't know. Okay, This one is actually, like, to see spiders crawling out of someone's mouth. It's like it's not quite a supernatural experience, but it's so nearly supernatural.
00:46:41:22 - 00:47:02:14
Well, I don't think the spider was real. I don't think it was either. But the fact that she saw it. Okay. Weren't there more than one Spider? I think it was just the one. That two was just like, there's more spiders later. But yeah, but the one spider, I mean, if you're and somebody is not moving and a spider crawls out of their mouth, I wouldn't think it was the devil.
00:47:02:16 - 00:47:26:03
Okay. I just thought that That's weird. So I have no seals in this movie. You know, they're dropping like flies, dropping the next spider. All right, Well, so. So that brings us to what I called Michael's bedtime shenanigans. And I call it the shenanigans because, like, there's like, a lot that happens in this scene. It's not just like, one.
00:47:26:05 - 00:47:41:01
This was the one on the house. But I thought when I was mentioning Fun House earlier, this is what OC where I was of my brain was going and I meant that as a compliment. By the way, just to be clear. right. Yeah. No, I totally knew humanity's come, but I just didn't know why you said fun house.
00:47:41:01 - 00:48:07:23
But it makes sense, right? Did It's depressing. It's not fun. There's nothing fun about this farmhouse. But this is not even a house. It's more of a bungalow. This single, though, this scene was one that was freaked me out with the lights. Yeah. Going on and off. And his BlackBerry just didn't seem comfortable. Yeah. Scratch. I notice it is blank.
00:48:07:23 - 00:48:33:18
It seems a lot of this stuff in this house felt scratchy. Yeah comfortable and makeshift. And it's not a warm place. It's not. It's not a comfortable. And not just because of what's happened to David. The deaths. Well, in part, like, you know, going back to the very beginning of this episode where we were talking about it like being a small movie about like a normal family or whatever, Like, that's like, I mean, houses are like that, you know?
00:48:33:18 - 00:48:55:20
Yeah, a normal person. So, like I say, normal, but like, the average person's house isn't always put together. Like pristine. Everything in there, you know, it's put together like you live in it and you do things here and you do things there. And then it all kind of just makes you your own. It gives your house character. And so this house next to like me and you have a problem where you don't like your house to look like it's lived in.
00:48:56:00 - 00:49:15:04
yeah, yeah. I don't know. You had that. See? See, we're like, we're like, we're kind of the way I grew up and the way we are now is kind of like when you're having guests over like you, you, you clean it until it doesn't look lived in. Yeah. No, I'm usually looks like that 95, 95% of the time my house looks like nobody lives here.
00:49:15:21 - 00:49:40:28
okay. Yeah, because I can't see. It's funny. I like things. Feel, like, not messy, but I need to feel it then. Otherwise I feel like I'm, like, not home. Like I'm not in my space. I mean, I don't like my couch. Blankets aren't always folded, you know? But like, the face, my dishes are always done. Dudes. They have had half eaten apples in on the counter.
00:49:41:01 - 00:50:03:23
No, I don't. But I wouldn't care if somebody else were to do that. You know, I like I like organized clutter. You you know, everything has a place, but it's not it's not a mess. It's just this is where everything goes. I think as long as things are clean, I'm happy. See, I think, like, my my, like OCD, like I have, like, a little bit of it.
00:50:03:23 - 00:50:31:16
It's not like, debilitating, but I definitely I started talking to nine about this. It I think it's getting worse. Like now that I'm home all the time with India, where it's like, I just can't know how things might be. Yeah, it's like hard to get anything done because you're just like cleaning up all the time. Yeah, but the fucking scratchy blanket, especially this sketchy blanket, like it's.
00:50:31:18 - 00:50:52:05
But so we get the lights going on and off. We get a very, I would say, terrifying scene where he looks out the window and he sees his mom and she starts floating. What is that? What is that about? Not quite as she doesn't feel quite as high as she does in the poster, but that's okay.
00:50:52:12 - 00:51:11:14
Posters are there to enhance. That's the mom in the poster. I never. I never connected the to. Yeah, Yeah. I don't know why. I mean, it totally makes sense. I just never. That's okay. So. Yeah. Hey, I'm not going to hold it against you. Well, good, because then the mom stops floating and makes her way inside the house.
00:51:11:16 - 00:51:31:15
Well, first we hear when he kind of moves away from the window, we hear her singing that song that she sang earlier. I was cooking laughs, and it was fun. Well, they sing that in another movie. Do you guys know what movie that is? Do you know? I do know. But like, I can't think of it. You know what I mean?
00:51:31:17 - 00:52:07:15
I want to say the stand. I want to say it's the stand. I read the stand recently, but I haven't watched the stand recently. So I don't I'm no, I'm of no help. Yeah. So were we have and it's not evil dead with the dead I singing the now I really like my mind keeps going back to the stand I really think it's a stand but I guess it's not important Stephen King's the stand for like Steven sings the song.
00:52:07:17 - 00:52:27:13
Why didn't he it He changed his name to Are we looking at up here. There's a song in it. Yeah, but I'm not I don't have any laughs. But there is a mom who dies. Spoiler alert, bro. Spoiler. The stand is like everybody. If I get dies pretty well ruined. It's like a fucking playing bloody. I mean, I really.
00:52:27:13 - 00:52:52:10
It's about the end of the world. I didn't know that, but it sounds like you might enjoy this stand in. Think you might actually enjoy the stand some a Yeah, that's funny. In all fairness, it's a miniseries so it doesn't take it is a miniseries that came out in 1994, which is like 30 years. So can I tell you guys everything that happens in True Detective that's brand new.
00:52:52:10 - 00:53:26:01
That's not 1994. I give a shit. I Give a shit. I love the Jerry Seinfeld. It's brand new. Well, that's the deal with spoilers. Okay, well, we will. We'll move on. Okay. So. So back to the show here. We hear the mom singing What a friend we have in Jesus. I think that's the name of the song. And then he, like, looks into the rest of the house like he opens the door, I think, and looks out into the house.
00:53:26:03 - 00:53:46:20
And then she's like, behind him. But then he turns around and she's not there. So that fucking devil again, that pesky little shit. this is the question I was going to ask earlier was about when we saw that silhouette of the devil. Or we were just like, we were like, that's the devil. no, it's Virginia.
00:53:46:20 - 00:54:16:27
Or maybe it's just the devil as Ginia. Right? So I mentioned this earlier that I kind of want to expand on it just a smidge. Is the devil. Just when we see, like Virginia outside and later we see some other characters who turn out to not actually be them, are we seeing the devil impersonating them or is their soul taken over and now they are kind of stuck like, is is did bye bye killing herself?
00:54:16:27 - 00:54:35:06
Did Virginia actually save her soul or did she trap her soul with the devil? Well, no, because I think the devil made her kill herself. Yeah. Okay. So I don't think it was like a way out her. I think the devil was like, Hey, do this. Yeah, You know, but he just wants as far as we know, at least that's what's been established.
00:54:35:06 - 00:55:01:00
And I'm not saying that, like, he couldn't get more, you know, but he wants David. So is he getting Virginia out of the way? Yes. To be like, listen, I don't feel like I need to collect yourself. I guess that's also an also, the more the merrier. Yeah, that's what I was thinking, too. So. So then I was like, when we see Virginia is that her like is technically Virginia like the mom, but she's also possessed.
00:55:01:00 - 00:55:22:03
So it's sort of like a combination of things, like it's this like demonic version of her or is it just like the devil's like, I just have this special power? I think it's something that she's somewhere else. I think it's just the devil, because I think he's just making the things like that would mean that she would the body would still be at the house, right?
00:55:22:06 - 00:55:43:15
Well, he's saying her spirit is possessed. I just mean it. Yeah, exactly. I mean it. More like being the soul. The spirit. Gotcha. It's not a physical manifestation of her gotcha. Yeah, I guess they're just my. My way of reading It was like it's either less sad for Virginia. I mean, so sad. Like, she still is dead. She's.
00:55:43:15 - 00:56:07:02
But she's either her soul is free because they talk about that later. So they established the conversation about, like your soul and being protected. So like, you know, her soul is free or it's trapped in hell. And one obviously is much darker. And that's where I was wondering, like, what version of this story are we seeing? Right. I think that's because like, because she didn't like, kill herself to just end it and be move on.
00:56:07:05 - 00:56:26:10
The devil made her do it. So I think that in my interpretation, he has her soul over whatever he does with those souls or whatever. I don't know. So that's pineapples up their asses? I don't know. Listen, we. That's Zach. That is disgusting. We do not shove pineapples up our assholes. We shove Eminem's up our assholes. Okay? That's right.
00:56:26:10 - 00:56:45:18
What? Less painful. That's disgusting. Eminem's not. That's not it. You guys know what I'm talking about, right? Yeah. Little Nicky. Yeah. I'm just kidding. By the way, we don't think shame You can put anything up here, but Danny had no idea. I did not remember that riff. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't seen little Nicky since, like, high school.
00:56:45:18 - 00:57:12:25
I haven't either. Not an excuse, Danny. Sorry. So my next reveal that I have listed is Louise's shadow in the barn. Yeah, She goes out to the barn? Yes. I forget what drags her out there. Maybe she's hearing somebody call her name or something. I think I thought, maybe. Maybe I missed that. I thought she was kind of just getting into her mom's, like, slow.
00:57:12:25 - 00:57:35:05
Like, what were you. okay? Like, why were you out here? Gotcha. You know, maybe, like, if I read the book, read the diary and where you were chilling, like, maybe. I'm sure. And you better. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. This is where she finds her dress, right? Her wedding dress. She's making her daughter's wedding dress? Yeah, I think she was abused.
00:57:35:07 - 00:57:54:25
Louise, Notice? Yeah. I did not put that together. It showed the mannequin had the mannequin face with, like, a bunch of stuff on it that looked like bruises. Okay. On the mannequin. So abused by her spouse, you think? Yeah. Or by. Or she was supposed to be the spouse? No. that's okay. I see what you're saying.
00:57:54:27 - 00:58:13:22
Yeah. She's like, looking at the dress and like, damn, this fell apart kind of thing. And then she, like, it showed this mannequin that looked like it was covered in bruises. Gotcha. And then it also establishes the fact that like that, that guilt that comes from, you know, again, the obligation of helping family. It's like, here's my mom, you know, like living her life.
00:58:13:22 - 00:58:40:12
And she's still, like, willing to put all this effort into like, enhancing, like, the quality of my life with this dress. So like but that also to Louise, if that is the case where she is abused, that could be another reason why she doesn't want to leave. Yeah. Farm. Yeah. You know, I mean, like part of her I think, I think legitimately part of her is like, I don't want to leave my dad like that is Yeah, 100%.
00:58:40:12 - 00:58:59:28
But like that's probably like another, it's compounded by all this other stuff. Yeah. All right. It's a good, good interpretation. Good catch. Yeah, but we see that shadow. Her. She. That's how you guys, I love this podcast because there have been times where I have come out of a movie, I think it was X was a good example where I didn't hate it.
00:59:00:00 - 00:59:19:28
It just wasn't that good. I hate it up. Resonate like Zach and I love you hate those fucking shit out of it. Like you guys are like making me see things I was not aware of. And I was I came out of that like. Fuck yeah, I do like those. I really like that movie that was simply, Hey, so this, you know, who am I here?
00:59:20:01 - 00:59:39:20
Who am a fan of X? What is this? What am I what? It was dark. It was. Well, it's been my this is this mutant academy. My AM. I know X-Men. It's the What's it called? I didn't get it right. I didn't get it right. Or is it Hogwarts? They said no. Yeah. Even the school for gifted youngsters.
00:59:39:22 - 01:00:07:19
That's right, That's right. Mutant Academy. It was like a real dumb ass. Now that God. okay. So then, okay, we meet the priest. The priest comes to the door, he's like, outside in the rain, and he's like, I came to talk to you, and they talk. And this is where he mentions, like, I told you, like I was here for your mom.
01:00:07:19 - 01:00:27:07
I told you the truth. And then Michael was like, You told her your truth, which is not true. But then the priest is like, Well, you told her your truth, which I don't think it's true. And so you get into this whole this whole debate and like, that's why these movies with, like, God and the devil are so good.
01:00:27:09 - 01:00:43:13
Yeah. And maybe not all of them go to this, this in this direction. But like, when you question, like, what is real is, you know, you got the people who are like God doesn't exist, then you got the people who were like, God does exist. And, you know, everybody thinks they're right. And so you get that's a nice conflict.
01:00:43:15 - 01:01:02:11
No, I'm going to tell you right now, he doesn't just like clear anything up. I'm going to tell you right now, set the record straight. Who knows? Here we go again. And I'm just kidding. I mean, yeah, it's like I don't believe he exists, but, you know, somebody else might be like, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I. Who knows?
01:01:02:11 - 01:01:34:03
I don't fucking know. I believe that there is the possibility that something beyond our comprehension exist. I wish I believed that. But God, this podcast episode skin Wicked dark. No. And I do wait. You know, it's pretty dark is the fact that we jumped over a reveal. Did we? How did I have an extra reveal? Well, it was much lighter coming out of his mouth, so.
01:01:34:06 - 01:01:57:15
Well, this one counts because it's so dark. It's when Louise wakes up and she's got lipstick all over her face. You think that's a reveal, then? That's not a reveal 100%. Because then she gets a phone call from Virginia saying, I told you not to come. yeah. See, I would call. So the reveal. Yeah, but not the lipstick part.
01:01:57:18 - 01:02:22:01
Okay. How are you not going to call this reveal, would you? Okay. Now, I mean, I would have rephrased this. You don't call this reveal in the movie. I know what you did last summer when Helen Shivers, played by Sarah. It was Sarah Jessica Parker. Sarah Michelle Gellar wakes up and it's her first interaction with me, fisherman. She wakes up, her hair's cut off.
01:02:22:04 - 01:02:40:01
She's she's got you know, it's as I still know or whatever on the air and she breaks it. Would you consider that a review in that movie for Helen? The eyes still no part. Sure. Just like we established the phone call. Sure. But the hair being cut off, I don't know. This is actually. That's completely get a haircut.
01:02:40:05 - 01:03:15:29
That's completely different. If you want lipstick on your face. I have lipstick on my face right now. But the devil do it. I don't know. I would not consider that a reveal in I know you did last summer. Interesting, because it's something that, like the monster is not revealed to her or to us. Right. But like, it's just some message from the monster is related to the character to kind of tell you, like, I'm here, I'm queer, I scare, get used to it.
01:03:16:01 - 01:03:47:08
Okay, then you know what? You know what would be good for this? An honor woman, Our newly formed honorable mention category. Yeah. Okay. You're so close, Danny. You're so close. What are you waiting for? What are you waiting for? But, Danny, why did you not. Okay, Why did you not what you likened it to? I know what you did last summer where they write lipstick on the mirror.
01:03:47:15 - 01:04:08:02
But you didn't liken it to our last movie. We just watch where she smears lipstick all over her face and six lipstick in her. It wasn't that reveal in the movie that you did not count it as in the in the in our we did subscribe. Did you ever pay attention to anything in these episodes? I think I'm just here, but I'm not here.
01:04:08:05 - 01:04:41:15
You're just going to befit it this week. It's fun. All right. Well, our next official reveal. Okay, actually is what I call the Rob Thomas effect. When the when the priest is outside their house at 3 a.m., he must have been lonely. It was a bad love. It's grim. And I'm little bit lonely here. so we do get on Rob Thomas effect the priest outside the house.
01:04:41:17 - 01:05:10:27
So that's at 3 a.m. is 3 a.m.. Must be lonely here. Yeah, And she's sleeping. yeah? How? Well, you can't help this guy, Rob Thomas. Anyways, the rain is going to wash away. You have to leave right now. He's Danny Nice, but the priest is outside. And they said, like, what's he doing out there? It's 3 a.m..
01:05:11:00 - 01:05:34:15
He must have been fucking lonely. You're so right. But it's cool because this is a this was a fun little reveal because his Michael's about to go out there and Luis is like, Wait, don't hold on a second. And then she changed the flashlight and he's got those eyes and it's just like, Yeah, fuck, Gary. I was surprised Michael wasn't more skeptical of What are you seeing after having seen his mom?
01:05:34:15 - 01:05:53:22
But I guess the priests are dead. So I think he's I also think that he's like trying to be a man because he kind of has this, like, not super alpha male ish thing going on, but a little bit, you know, So, like, he doesn't tell Luis about seeing his mom right away because he doesn't want to be perceived as, like, weak or like something is wrong with him.
01:05:53:22 - 01:06:13:00
Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah. So I think that that's part of it. It's a great read on it because it's ironic that he'd be the one who ultimately bails in the end, right? Well, that's part of the reason I love these characters was like when, when he finally does tell her that he saw his mom previously, he's like he's like.
01:06:13:06 - 01:06:32:00
Like he's just like alpha male, like you were talking about, like, this man, man. But then he's like, is fucking scary. Luis And I was like, yeah, it's it's scary. Yeah. Just that he had that moment of, like, Man, it was scary. Yeah. And that's where you start to see him kind of be like, I don't think I want to be here anymore.
01:06:32:01 - 01:06:56:27
Yeah, exactly. I actually can handle this. Yeah. Yeah. And then a character we haven't. We've met in the movie previously, but we haven't talked about him yet. Is Charlie, who is like, I guess, like a ranch hand, kind of like back with the family to help run the farm. So during the priest, when the priest is outside, the phone is ringing, and Michael's like, Don't answer it.
01:06:57:00 - 01:07:21:29
And Luis goes and takes the phone off the wall and unplugs it. But it's really Charlie calling to be like, I need some fucking help here. Pick up the phone because he's seeing shit and what he sees in the next scene. Here is a little demon. Louie's like, all cut up and doing all this shit. And is it like the.
01:07:22:05 - 01:07:47:18
It's like speaking a bunch of different voices, right? Yeah. And he just, like, can't take it anymore, or he's, I don't know, like, stabbing and cutting herself. Yeah. And she slits her throat and he, like, knows that it's a force. He knows it's not Louie's right, I think. I think so. Yeah. But he. He takes his own life.
01:07:47:21 - 01:08:18:24
And one thing I read about this movie, which I didn't put together, all the deaths in this movie are suicides. Interesting. So that's another that kind of lends itself to the interpreting this movie. As you know, we're talking about elevated or distinctions. So it's like. Or is it all in their head? Is this just like, well, in in like Catholicism, in Christianity, if you commit suicide, you do not go to heaven.
01:08:18:26 - 01:08:41:17
Right? Right. So, well, that's part of the thing where it's like his mom didn't, like, kill herself to, like, escape. Right. Like the drugs driving them to this so he can get your. So. Yeah, right, right. But I didn't think about that with with Charlie. I didn't think about it that way. I guess it's just thinking about him being freaked out stuff, but makes sense.
01:08:41:20 - 01:09:00:24
Yeah. And then. And then, you know, at the end too, like. Right. But yeah, no, that's a that's a really good point. Casey So Michael and then encounters his mom in the barn as That's the next reveal that I have. Yeah. Yep. Then he goes out there and he has his pocket knife, but she kind of attacks him.
01:09:00:24 - 01:09:27:23
But is he the one. I wasn't sure if I was just seeing it wrong or if I looked away or something, but he's holding a knife against himself, right? Yeah, she. She wants him. You know, the devil again. It's just what we talked about. She wants the devil wants him to kill himself. Okay. I wasn't sure if it was, like, tricky, like, if they're implying that, but then kind of setting it up as though, like, she had the knife, and then all of a sudden you look and he has the knife, Or if I just missed something.
01:09:27:27 - 01:09:52:15
So I guess either way it's still. Yeah, but he was strong enough to resist. Yeah that's, yeah. And I think part of that is like why it's so heartbreaking when he does finally take his own life because he was strong enough to to it withstand all this. But then the devil still is a tricky little shit and he just always wins.
01:09:52:17 - 01:10:16:15
Still found his mom dying and his dad being terminally ill was bad, but it wasn't quite enough to do it right. But his kids and his wife. my God. That scene much? yeah. That was too much. That was then is just. I'm glad that it flips just enough. my God. Yeah. The fact that it was spoiler alert, a fantasy, Not fantasy.
01:10:16:22 - 01:10:36:26
Yeah, but we've talked about we've talked we've talked about this before. That like a fantasy is just something that you get in your head. Yeah. So I'm glad that I think if they ended and that was like, legit, I would have been like, okay, movie. yeah. Too much. Yeah. And it also makes it punch a little bit.
01:10:36:28 - 01:10:58:07
I don't know why. I don't know if it makes it maybe darker isn't the right word to use, but it makes it worse. Almost when you find out that they weren't really dead. Yeah, of course. It's just a different flavor of disturbing, you know? Yeah. Ooh, right. If they were all dead, that's so. It's so nihilistic and horrific in that way.
01:10:58:09 - 01:11:21:28
And that's. I mean, that's the trickiness of the devil in this movie, is that devil obviously did that. Nevertheless Yeah. But it also ties in to Michael as a character, as someone who, you know, he acts first. You know, he he doesn't think, you know, look, before leaping, kind of like with Louise, they kind of establish that like he leaves without even communicating.
01:11:21:28 - 01:11:47:03
If he had just waited a second and considered what was happening, maybe four males will come in the door. Yeah. Yeah. And it's definitely a weakness. Well, he does just I mean, it is it is alpha males are not usually they're pretty weak. That's the problem. Anyway. The physical strength does not equate to, you know, considered, I don't know, emotional strength.
01:11:47:03 - 01:12:14:24
I don't know. Yeah. Yes. It's just it's like, it's like the big truck thing. Big truck, small penis, big dry cleaner. I always laugh in the movies. Did we talk about that on this podcast where, like, the trucks that have the balls hanging off the back and it's just so funny because, like, you're kind of implying that you have like a tiny ball sack, which is fine me because it forces you to the ball, is not trying to be so manly, but their is huge with this little package.
01:12:14:27 - 01:12:37:21
It's just ironic and funny. It makes me giggle. It's gross. All right. So, okay, so Michael encounters his mom in the bar and we talked about that. The next reveal I have is the devil in the Bed with Louise. When Louise is sleeping next to her father, take care of him in the night and she starts hearing something like, Would this also be an honorable mention?
01:12:37:24 - 01:12:59:12
No, because it's a trio. Drugs. Are you? but she wakes up, she's dreaming. If she's not, she literally sees her dad. And then, like. And she wakes up in the morning. Yes. Big you don't you think for the devil that can the devil can take souls and the devil can possess people and the devil can use people as a vessel.
01:12:59:12 - 01:13:24:14
But you don't think that the devil can make you fall and wake up, Danny. Okay, well, if the devil can make you wake up and all that jazz and, like, mess with your head, then how are we? my God. Lipstick on the face. Okay. Is we crazy? I woke up. If I woke up, you. If I woke up with lipstick all over my face using words.
01:13:24:17 - 01:13:48:07
No worry, man. Crawl on top of your dad and and rape him in your house. That is now. And then you see your dress floating on the ceiling. It became worse. I'm not saying that. I'm saying I'm comparing lipstick on the face to waking up from a nightmare that could or could not have been really is not because I not going to be.
01:13:48:09 - 01:14:09:16
But I'm saying it's not the sin. Yes. If she had anything like the whole like if she had not snapped awake implying that it was a nightmare, then Yes, 110%. It wasn't the demon coming in the eye. But I'm saying if they had removed part of that little moment where she wakes you implying it's a dream, I'm the devil.
01:14:09:18 - 01:14:33:17
Hear me to think it was a dream. I understand that. But this does not make any sense. If they said, Well, no, Casey, I am on your side. But I also see where Danny's coming from, where I think he's talking in terms of the filmmaking. Yes, right. Like, yes. If they didn't put that scene with her minute, we're not making a film.
01:14:33:17 - 01:15:03:15
We're watching it. If they're implying it's a dream, they're implying it. She believes it is. So what I'm saying is they're not it a character meeting a monster. If were to wake up from a really horrible thing that may or may not have been a dream compared to waking up with lipstick all over my face, I would think that waking up with lipstick all over my face would be more disturbing than just waking up from a disturbing dream is what I'm trying to say.
01:15:03:18 - 01:15:39:07
No, because your dad's got the lipstick in bed with him your dad's a fucking bitch. You know what? Yeah, she already saw him. She already thought, yes. So she saw that he was in it. Yeah, no, I know. Okay. But that's another thing. That's another implied implicit information, implication position, which then that's another implication, Right, Casey. So she can talk speaking another language.
01:15:39:11 - 01:15:59:14
So it is implied that she thinks her dad can also walk because she swears he was out of the bed. She says more than once. So it would also imply that she thinks her dad can put lipstick all over her face while she's sleeping. And it is also implied that she thinks her dad can Spider-Man on the she was going to say, But you know what?
01:15:59:14 - 01:16:22:00
Can't be real. Her dad quoting. I'm telling. But why? But why would the devil even care to be like, I think it was a dream. Are you because she's got it. Everything has been so explicit. Do you know she's seeing white eyes, She's singing one of these people. Danny, You don't think he's having fun, But that feels like a first act scare, right?
01:16:22:00 - 01:16:44:06
No. First act like implementation of my powers as opposed to a second act. But now you just make it feel. Just be like I'm here. Like I'm literally crawling over you. I can do whatever I want. Still scare you. And I just don't understand the motivation. I don't understand the devil's motivation here. I love the scene. I thought it was terrifying.
01:16:44:07 - 01:17:07:08
I counted it as a reveal. I still I don't think it's a dream. I actually think it's a legitimate thing. All I'm saying is, yeah, I don't know. Then why did we just talk about that? A Yeah, I get. I get where you're coming from, Danny. I do. And I think you're. Yeah, like we're that far into the movie.
01:17:07:08 - 01:17:26:06
It's almost like why use that filmmaking technique or that. Yeah, that Thing. It's like, was it dream or was it not a dream? When we're this far into the movie, it's so a fake out and we're literally about presented as a fake Out to who? To the audience? Because to me, it's not a fake out for the audience at all.
01:17:26:07 - 01:17:49:22
No, it's presented to her to Luis go Right. But she already basically knows it's but you're talking some people are doing whatever the fuck you wants. I totally agree. And the devil is and we can agree to disagree. And I think that's absolutely fine and great. I just. Well, Danny, are you talking in terms of a choice that was made by the filmmaker?
01:17:49:24 - 01:18:16:25
I think both because I'm curious, like the devil is in like the story is like what his. Okay, I could read it as different ways. I could say because I agree with Casey that the devil is like a trickster and he's like fucking with. And at this point he could be just trying to fuck with Luis and being like, You've seen all these things and I'm still going to make you doubt what you're seeing by treating it as like a nightmare.
01:18:16:27 - 01:18:38:23
So, Danny, I see. I see where you're coming from, But I do want to, now that we've kind of now that things now there's like that, like a little calm coming over. Yeah. Now I want to hear. I want to hear your take on this scene. for me, specifically me, specifically you. Because I know you had mentioned in the heat of battle a moment ago that you love this scene so much.
01:18:38:25 - 01:19:08:07
So I want to I want to hear what you have to say about this scene. The scene is scary. Yeah. That's like this is it's really scary. That's the equivalent of like at the end of idle hands, like you're waiting for this big finale. Throw the knife. And it just goes, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I. This part genuinely scared me.
01:19:08:07 - 01:19:40:06
It even scared me, you know, like, I think Friday, Thursday, right. Whatever. Reddit, whatever that was going to be like. It was like the fifth or sixth time I'd watch this movie. So yeah, it's still scary. And I, we haven't talked about the performances in this movie, but they're really good. they're so good. I agree. Yeah. And is so scared and I buy it and she's like, gripping her hands together and you can like, you can hear how hard she's gripping her hands together and how she's breathing.
01:19:40:06 - 01:20:08:02
And then you can also hear the demon guy crawling on top of her dad, the demon Reaper demon rhythm. And then you hear his breathing and you can just hear like weird little left and the creaking of the bear crawling on it. Okay. Well, Danny and I. I don't know if you were going for this, but I do want to talk in terms of, like, filmmaking, because in the next reveal, which is Charlie's granddaughter comes to the comes to the door.
01:20:08:04 - 01:20:36:27
Yes. This offer is we think. Yes, it is. We think she's there to tell Louise about Charlie, but then we find out it's actually the devil. And he starts. He's like in the house and he's like, he's he's in one corner and he's in the other corner. And then she's Luis has fallen and she's, like, crawling backwards. And then all of a sudden, the granddaughter is, like, right beside her, right?
01:20:37:02 - 01:21:02:21
Yes. So here's how I will tie it back into our last reveal where, Danny, you were like, It's weird that he made it imply, like it was a dream, right? It made it seem like it was a dream, because in of filmmaking, like, how do you get out of that scene to continue the movie? Like the Dance on the Ceiling, And then it's like, okay, if she doesn't wake up from a dream, like, where do you go from there?
01:21:02:21 - 01:21:29:18
That has to be like, This is all happening right now, right by waking up from a dream. Yeah, It's just for us as audience to be like, okay It seems like that was scary. Scenes over. We're moving on, right? I guess he could have it. Was that a rhetorical question? well, because so in terms of Charlie's granddaughter, it's like I made a note of this when I was watching it because I'm like, and this happens in lots of movies, but this is the first time I really, like, picked up on it.
01:21:29:21 - 01:21:48:03
It's like, okay, she's crawling away from the granddaughter. And then all of a sudden, for us, for the audience to get scared, they put the granddaughter right next to her. But then what the fuck is she crawling away from as she's looking? What is off screen that she's crawling away from because the granddaughter is now right next to her.
01:21:48:05 - 01:22:10:01
So you know what I mean? And so it's just it's scared just for us. It's like the devil has a jump scare button. Yeah, It's like I can. I can cut. And so, like, him, you know, making it seem to Luis like it was a dream with her dad on the ceiling. Like, I think that's just for us as audience because there's no way out of it, right.
01:22:10:01 - 01:22:29:11
In terms of filmmaking, unless you just, like, make that go into the climax of the movie. Well, because that's another thing. Am I making any sense? Yes, because it's the same. The same as all these hallucinations, too, though the quote unquote dream is exactly the same as everything else, if you think about it, because they're all hallucinations, according to them.
01:22:29:11 - 01:22:52:24
So having a dream is exactly the same. But instead of her like getting out of bed and running into a different room and coming back and everything, the normal, she just quote unquote wakes up. And I think that's the convenience of like a demon movie. You know, we talked about this in Night of the Demons in our last episode, was that they can they have this ability that is very convenient for scares where they can kind of manipulate reality.
01:22:52:26 - 01:23:11:01
So yeah, it could literally be and I made a joke about like jump scare abilities and jump scare powers, but like, she actually could have just transported, you know, and. Right. Okay. So yeah. So you're saying like she was looking at her the whole time until like the blink of an eye and she's and then she was there.
01:23:11:07 - 01:23:38:07
Yeah. Gotcha. Okay. Or maybe she was in two places at once and she, you know, like, because that could have just been like two cases point, like a version of a hallucination or, you know, for lack of a better word, you know, for some demonic word station or whatever, a demonic hallucination. But godmother, Yeah, whatever the equivalent of a demonic hallucination is to use this sneak with you.
01:23:38:10 - 01:24:10:22
Is that a hallucination? Do this super hallucinate. It's. I was tripping. Barge me. Okay, I understand what you're saying. So. Okay. Okay. Well, we can move on then, I guess to the nurse. Well, okay. that's right. Why didn't I? I didn't count that as a reveal, Daniel. That's like the big bad reveal. Yeah. The nurse who. Who?
01:24:10:24 - 01:24:31:15
Who? Very clearly, you know, she states like you guys don't believe in God, but I do. And there's so much love in this. Like, you guys are protecting your dad with all the love you guys have for him. Like, protect him, like, be here for him. And so she even lights that candle to kind of ward off the evil spirit.
01:24:31:15 - 01:24:59:15
And it doesn't work. Doesn't work, though. The devil still gets her and she spoiler alert she does. But just funny because candles always solve my problems. But it's you know, I'm in a bad mood and I've got like a scented by log cabin candle and I love little or oof I was probably 35 candles and the baby and where I ended up my candles the mandate for this or I've got a problem.
01:24:59:18 - 01:25:28:20
Yeah, I've got a problem. I have one right now that's lit in front of me. It's Rose Ganache. Who Ganache sounds a sneaker. Sounds like a boot. that's Polish sugar line. chocolate goulash. It's a rose Ganache, not rose goulash. Okay, go us. But yeah, the nurse gets possessed and she uses her. Are they knitting needles, Crocheting, knitting.
01:25:28:27 - 01:25:49:15
I wrote knitting needles. Knitting. And she's just one book. okay. So knitting needles and she. she does a lot of Stabby Stabby on herself. Sophie It's. Yeah. And it's horrible because she's in pain. It's not like she's possessed. Like she is possessed, but like, it's not like, you know, like she's still in there. Like they cut themselves and they're like.
01:25:49:17 - 01:26:16:00
Like laughing. Yeah. The screams are so horrific. Like, she just. She she can't stop. It's like the devil. yeah. And she attacks Louise and pulls her out into the living room, I guess, Yeah. Was that like, the devil, Like getting Louise away from the dad? I so you know what I mean? Like, why if she pulled her out there, then why did she stop?
01:26:16:03 - 01:26:39:12
I don't know. Yeah, Yeah, it's a good question. Now, is this where when Louise wakes up, is this where she calls Michael? Yeah, I think we go right. okay yeah, I think. No, Louise. She calls before the nurse. Yeah. Like we hear the nurse, like listening to their conversation as you asked me. And then the devil's like, Yeah, good for me.
01:26:39:19 - 01:27:10:02
I got rid of another one and we see some more spiders, like crawling across the nurse's face. yeah. But here is my honorable mention, my mention was Michael seeing his family when he gets home? Okay, Because it's not really like seeing the monster or whatever, but the devil is playing a trick on him. And so that's why I counted it as an honorable mention.
01:27:10:05 - 01:27:52:08
I don't know what Dante's like. Dante's like, that's a fucking straight up reveal, though. Let's do. these kids are covered in lipstick. I cannot say anything. I scream, but he does it, you know, It's that. that awful, awful moment when he does see his family dead, kills himself, he gets. And that's that. And that's, you know, the devil ultimately followed him, which that's kind of where I brought up my original question, where it's like, right was the devil with him all the time and like, brought them, you know, But it's kind of like he went to the farmhouse and brought and brought him back with them.
01:27:52:10 - 01:28:32:07
Yeah A piece of the spirit. Yeah, but that was my honorable mention. We'll move on to I very to our very last and final reveal. The big the big and the big in the devil wins. These are the devil fucking wins. And he gets Louise. the dad dying. my gosh. God. I don't want to talk so good, but, like, I got, like, I, like, cried a bit because it's like, I don't wanna talk about it, but like,
01:28:32:10 - 01:28:58:03
Okay. No, no, it's okay. We're good. So I thought I could talk about it, but I can't talk about this. Okay, so then. okay. 80 seconds. Okay. No. So you think happy thoughts? This movie's so happy. Think about it. Super dark and wicked. Think about. I just thought of another honorable mention, actually. But why do it now?
01:28:58:06 - 01:29:22:19
Okay, So, yeah, the devil wins. He gets Louise. He. Well, he gets the dad, right? Yeah, that's what he wanted the whole time. And if Louise is there and like, the nurse is like, there's so much love here is just like, there wasn't enough love because it was just Louise. Probably the devil worked it down so much. That's it.
01:29:22:19 - 01:29:47:07
My only issue with this movie, I think, was the ending because did establish that and she did, you know, for such a dark movie. I actually thought that would have been the one element where maybe there was a little more give, I guess. Yeah. Because she was giving all of herself the fact that she was willing to give that sacrifice and all of her time to her dad thought that would do something.
01:29:47:07 - 01:30:10:07
But I guess if this is supposed to be kind of like an allegory for grief and like the whole that all of this takes, then it doesn't matter much you give, it's still going to consume you, right? And the person still. So I think it could have ended either way. And it would have, right? Yeah. Yeah. But This is just the more brutal take on it.
01:30:11:13 - 01:30:31:00
Yeah, well, it's kind of. I mean, like, life is. Life is brutal. Like, that's like. Like crazy. Like you said, like the person's going to die, like, no matter what. And it's kind of like, Yeah, you know, like, it reminded me a lot of the ending of Smile, where it's like, you want it them to get through this, but ultimately, because the thing is supposed to represent it.
01:30:32:17 - 01:31:00:19
we love the smile. Yeah, No, I'm not. No, I'm not saying I don't like the ending. I'm just saying no. When you write the character, it ended exactly how I wanted it. And yeah, I want it in for it to stick the landing of what it was trying to say it needed to end that way. I'm just saying like you are following a character, you want the best for them, but then realize that to serve the story, there needs to be this very specific type of sacrifice, right?
01:31:01:20 - 01:31:57:02
Otherwise it'd be cheating. Okay. What was it, guys that was fucking dark as fuck and then wicked, wicked, dark. Okay, well then let's talk about our favorite reveals in the dark kind. The wicked. dear. please. That's how they can sit there under the goddamn. I'll go first. Technically, mine's not a reveal. Yeah, just to be fair, Kasi, he counts it as a reveal and just being funny, you see.
01:31:57:04 - 01:32:27:06
So I know my favorite reveal is the. The the demon. The demon. Dead Louie's dead. Because it's scary. Yeah. Yeah, that was a good one. man. I also really like the first one because, like, Danny missed it. You know what I mean? And I just. I just love how it literally is that quick. That's Cool. Yeah, man, can I.
01:32:27:09 - 01:32:56:12
Well, can I pick an honorable mention as the winner? Sure. We make the rules here. Well, that's what I to like. That scene is so awful with Michael coming home and seeing his family, but, like, that was, like, the biggest gut punch for me is when, you know, you find out it's fake and whatever. And yeah, but do you count that as the best reveal just because it was a gut punch to you or just in terms it's totally subjective.
01:32:56:19 - 01:33:22:04
Yeah. My for real, what's really, really scared you? Yeah. Okay, well, then that's my favorite reveal. My honorable mention of Michael getting home is my favorite. Danny, what about you? The lipstick thing? Yeah, that's. Yeah, from. From Night of the Demons, right? Yeah, from That is not from this movie. The lipstick my lip syncing from. I know he did.
01:33:22:04 - 01:33:52:15
Listen. Yeah. My favorite reveal was actually Michael's room scene. specifically, you know what got me the most when that scene was the lights turning on? Yeah. Something about how harmless it felt. And then just like, simple little sound design choices, like the switch on the light switch was so, like, clicky and just kind of, like, almost like it hurts a little bit.
01:33:52:15 - 01:34:13:06
Like it's this jarring thing in the middle of the night when you're comfortable in the fact that there's just someone there like disrupting you and also felt a little bit tentative, maybe subversive is a little dramatic, but the fact that usually it's the lights going off that's scary and the fact that the lights running on had just as big of an impact, just I don't know, it stuck with me.
01:34:13:06 - 01:34:38:18
And then I liked this. Seeing them outside. I could have easily done with just the light and maybe hearing her singing. it's I'm not trying to criticize it. I'm just like that. I'm just trying to say like that alone. Just this sort of like, implied moments were just as scary and effective. So yeah, I really like that scene a lot as I think, okay, yeah, that was good.
01:34:38:21 - 01:35:02:03
Okay, well, now it is time for a segment that we like to call the real Monster running around running as fast as you can catch me. I am the gingerbread man. You're a monster. And I'm not a monster. Here you are. You and the rest of that fairy tale trash poisoning my perfect world. Now, tell me, where are the others?
01:35:02:04 - 01:35:29:14
Take me. Here are you guys I only have one real monster. This episode. This was a pretty solid movie, and it's tough to find. Yeah, there wasn't anything like, corny about it. Really? Yeah. yeah. Clear cut color. And I'm going to go with, you know, kind of a case of you were talking earlier about alpha males and all that, and I'm going to go with fucking chewing tobacco.
01:35:29:16 - 01:35:49:26
Yeah, chewing tobacco is my real monster. Like, if I get there, sit on the porch and he just fucking, like, he, like, picks up his glass, like, spit in and it's just like, I just like, gag. But I've heard stories about that, But I'm not. It would actually be too disturbing to tell. Yeah, but we're going to get those.
01:35:50:01 - 01:36:29:21
I just want to set that up. So it's just in your head. Thank you. It's impulse like this. It's an improvization. It's an impersonation of Danny. What do you have for real Monster? I have to want it. It's not rockets. As devastating as that scene was, Michael shoots quite a lot because those when all that happened when he's kind of like on the ground before he slices his throat is I mean it's totally warranted I'm honestly he vomited a little bit to be funny on moments the snot comes out, but it's like a projectile snot.
01:36:29:21 - 01:37:05:12
Sure. You said something that just and I heard it's not rockets. And like what? The real monster is not in the rockets. It's not video yet, but at least someone mentions the rocket. And what's your second one then, in this movie, contextually, like for the snot rocket, the purpose that it serves? Yeah, Totally understandable. General. Look. Yeah. And then just, you know, vegetable chopping and dicing techniques are not great in this movie.
01:37:05:15 - 01:37:34:05
You better. True. Yes. So she missed the vegetable completely. She missed like. And then she was so embarrassed that she's like, it didn't happen and kept going. She's like, this. She's humming the song makes in her fingers and it's just like looking around to see if anybody saw Mama zero Salad recipe a little different. No, it's as though it's like fingers one finger lickin good.
01:37:34:07 - 01:38:00:11
It's like a bloody. God. Casey, who's your real monster? So there's only one thing that I don't like about this movie, and you guys could probably. You know what it is. And, you know, I love Terry. It's just the use of CG instead of practical effects. But it wasn't bad enough to where I like. Obviously, everything else about the movie is so good that it doesn't really matter to me, but I had to be sure.
01:38:00:13 - 01:38:21:17
Yeah, well, yeah, I didn't. For use of CGI in general, I did not care for the the when the dad shows up at the shower and his face is like shaking. Yeah. Like just in general. I don't care for that effect. Like they do it right. The movies and it always feels like a studio note, doesn't it? Like it feels like a last minute.
01:38:21:17 - 01:38:39:06
Like. Like the director is like, This is my movie. It works really well. They're like, If we could just get a little bit more, just a little. And it's like, kinetic. Yeah. Because there was another scene and again, it wasn't like it didn't take me out of it, but it just I don't even remember. It was I think it was like the mom when she does.
01:38:39:06 - 01:38:56:04
I loved that scene in Michael's room and then they ended it on like a creepy button and I was like, you didn't need it, didn't hurt it. It's fine. I didn't need the job because I was already pretty freaked out. Yeah. So then I was left with that rather than left with like this, feeling that the extra creepy.
01:38:56:06 - 01:39:25:16
Yeah, sure. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Okay. Those are good. This is a good, real monsters. And you guys, that's the dark and the wicked. That's a dark in the wicked. That's it. That is our second feature in our Under the Influence feature. Covering possession movies overall. Really good fucking movie. A little too dark for my taste to keep it in a regular rotation of movies I like to watch.
01:39:25:16 - 01:39:47:04
But. But like we mentioned, next week we'll be diving into a movie that kind of has its feet in both. You know, it's it's fun. It's got the funny energy, but also it's it's a little dark. Okay. I think this is serious stuff to watch it. Yeah. I'm not going to say why, but this movie is actually very similar to that.
01:39:47:04 - 01:40:10:14
To me in the dark are very similar. Okay, I agree. Yeah. I'm excited too. I'm excited to see it because I know talk to Me has a lot of it's pretty popular. Is the sound fine. So thanks. Yes, it's okay. This is sort of like I'm like, I'll watch it, but I part of it and I can go into it just like on an even.
01:40:10:14 - 01:40:42:03
Yeah, I mean yeah. So yeah, our next episode our next and final feature in our under the Influence travel feature is Talk to Me. So we are excited about that one. But yeah, if you guys are fans of the dark and the wicked and you have anything else to say about it, find us on social media, send us an email on our brand new email address, How I Met Your Monster podcast at gmail.com and we'll be to answer those questions and comments and we might even read some on the next episode.
01:40:44:25 - 01:41:10:09
Yeah. Like a mixture of this. Yeah, it's a monster. It's the monster. Monster. Male Yep, it's monster. I met your male, but you can also find us on social media. We're on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook X, so you can find us on all of those platforms and where can our listeners find you? Two lovely hosts on social media?
01:41:10:11 - 01:41:38:20
I'm on Instagram at Wolfmother. KC Nice, nice. And, and I'm on various social media. Is that my name? Danny Slim? Dan and YSL. Yeah, me too. Em's like the candy melt in your butt, not your hands sometimes. Wonderful. It's something I'm going to slowly kind of like, ease. Sometimes there's this feeling that sometimes there's a miller up here, but yeah, yeah, that's.
01:41:38:22 - 01:42:15:23
I wasn't. I was thinking it, but I didn't go there. It's. There's an evidence of that. There's a miller I got to look at Danny Tomato. Danny's a blessing, so I think that's good. Well, I'm blushing. Why are you? But what do you mean? Why are you blushing and say we're talking about sex? Then it's okay. We're all standing about six feet.
01:42:15:26 - 01:42:40:29
It's A good thing. It's us and dolphins. Because all of those sex for pleasure. Yeah. no. The only other animal, I think they're the only other animal that has sex for pleasure. But. Okay. And you can find me on social media at SEC. One sec. And, yeah, make sure to tune in for our next episode. Talk to me.
01:42:41:02 - 01:43:27:23
And until then, thank you all for listening. Now go meet some monsters and.