Wrapping up our INTERNATIONAL EEKS triple feature, we’re checking in at the Seven Doors Hotel with screenwriter Eric Miller to meet the very essence of Hell itself in THE BEYOND, starring Catriona MacColl, Cinzia Monreale, David Warbeck, Veronica Lazar, Giovanni De Nava, Laura De Marchi, Maria Pia Marsala, and Antoine Saint-John as Schweik.
Wrapping up our INTERNATIONAL EEKS triple feature, we’re checking in at the Seven Doors Hotel with screenwriter Eric Miller to meet the very essence of Hell itself in THE BEYOND, starring Catriona MacColl, Cinzia Monreale, David Warbeck, Veronica Lazar, Giovanni De Nava, Laura De Marchi, Maria Pia Marsala, and Antoine Saint-John as Schweik.
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Today we wrap up our International Week's triple feature with Lucio full cheese harrowing hellscape into the horrors of hotel management. The acid is splashing, the spiders are snacking, and we can't help but call out a handful of unholy building code violations as we check in at the Seven Doors Hotel to meet the very essence of hell itself. In the beyond.
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You're listening to how I Met Your Monster. A podcast that explores the introductions to your favorite movie, monsters. My name is Zack. I'm Danny and I'm Casey. And together, we dive into the world of horror to find out how filmmakers have introduced us to our favorite monsters time and time again. This is how I met your most.
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Welcome to how I Met Your Monster. The show where we discuss the introductions to your favorite movie monsters. Today we're wrapping up our international X triple feature. Ironically enough, wrapping up in the United States, in New Orleans, in New Orleans. We thought we were going to Italy. The plane took us back to the States. Yeah. It's like.
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Nope. It's, in Last Crusade. It's like we're turning around and they're taking us back to Germany. Anyways, this is an Indiana Jones podcast. Casey's already getting here. Take it as much as Zack wants it to be. As much as I want it to be. No, we're talking about, the beyond today, from Lucio 40. And, we have a very special guest with us today.
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We have author Eric Miller. Welcome to the show. How are you doing? Doing really well. Thanks for having me. First and foremost, I like to say I'm a horror fan. I'm not an academic or. You know, I know some, like, I'm some kind of, expert or something, but I sure love horror movies. Just as a fan.
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We're kind of a lot write a lot of stories and stuff, but that's where my whole viewpoint comes from. And you're no stranger to horror movies. You said you're a horror fan, and you've also written quite a few, screenplays that were produced into into features. Is that correct? Yeah. 5 or 6. There's more out there that I did rewrites on that I don't put my name on.
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Okay. Partially because some of them are just awful, but, partially also because I deeply respect the people who wrote the initial draft. And that's kind of a Hollywood thing that, you know, some poor schmo like me writes for years and years and years, and then you finally sell something and get your $0.50, and then the next thing you know, the movie comes up and there's 16 different writers named credit, and you're like, wait a minute, I didn't do anything.
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So I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan of that. And I think the rules are technically, you're supposed to change 50% or more to get a credit, but so I, I've done a few rewrites and just punch up things here and there. But yes. And I also, was hired to write a few things. Dog Soldiers to was one of the biggest things that I wrote.
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Never, never got made. Giant fan of the first movie. And yeah, the one of a werewolf script that I wrote had been optioned. So they actually wanted to make that the story was they think they wanted to make that dog Soldiers, too, but somebody else had the rights to it at the time. So they hired me to write a story that the producer came up with, and I did my best, and it was a lot of fun.
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And, I get just, I don't know if I would ever be as good as the original because it's just such a great film and from from the beginning, I'm huge fan, but proud to have been part of that. And hey, I hope it gets made someday because there's a paycheck involved. So yeah, that's always. Yeah, well, there's always like a heavy expectation for sequels to be better or at least as good, but sometimes a good sequel just fits into the DNA of the first one so.
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Well, and it it it gives horror fans like us the chance to do, to binge, to do the marathons and all that. So I love good sequels. Yeah. And that's what that's what we tried to do. And sometimes, you know, I mean, obviously, I think probably the biggest, the biggest example of that is aliens, where, you know, Cameron took the took the idea in the setting and, you know, vaulted what was really the horror, the haunted house movie in space and the monster movie Arabian Space and made it an action film.
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But it's still terrifying in its own way. And it stayed. Yeah, stayed so true to the original, but then took it in a different direction. And guys, actually, I think he's going to go places. Has a chance. Let's look at some hope for. Yeah. Watch that. Yeah. You might be in the theaters somewhere. So.
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Yeah. And, you got a new book out. Oh. Whatever happened, uncle Ed, can you tell us a little bit about, your new book? So my book, whatever happened to Uncle Ed? Just probably influenced. I'm forgetting, but influenced a lot by the beyond. There's a lot about a door in a basement that goes somewhere evil and different.
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So, a lot of the book has a lot of different homages. And not to, many, many movies, films and books and things that influenced me over the years and houses that I've lived in. So it's basically the story of a former high school basketball star that we pick up his story later in life, lives in a creepy mansion at the at the edge of town.
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And, people talk about him strangely, and he comes in to work, beat up and bruised. And there's this unfolding mystery of not only what's going on in this house, every weekend and also what's his backstory. And it slowly unfolds the story of him, the strange people living with him. And this whole, story unfolds and answers the eventually answers the question, whatever happened to uncle?
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It it's the time. Nice. Oh, that sounds great. You mentioned that it took inspiration from places you've lived in to have you lived in places that you considered to be haunted? Yeah. Know I'm I'm a skeptic, but, you know, skeptics want proof. But having said that, there's been there were two houses in particular that a lot of really weird things happened in, both in Indiana, where I grew up and mostly grew up.
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And one in particular, my brother and I stayed in the basement and, house in upland, Indiana, which I still drive by and look at the outside of every now and then when I'm back there and go, what really happened? What do you remember? But years later, nobody really ever. I don't recall mentioning at the time because we were young kids.
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But years later at dinner, mom, dad and my brother or somehow that conversation came up and everyone looked at each other and went, oh, something happened to you there too? And some of the stories came out. And, so again, I'm a skeptic. There's so many explanations for what could really be happening. But the second house, which was in my high school hometown of Seymour, Indiana, nice old American four square, probably built in 1890 or something.
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And I just remember reading a book of reading a book one night late at night, probably a horror novel on my bed with my cat. I don't know, I'm probably 18, 19, whatever high school age, and I hear some steps come up the creaky staircase and walk down the hallway to my closed door and I'm thinking, oh, mom or dad must be coming up to say something and nobody knocks.
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Nothing happens. And I look down and my cat is here standing up like. And then I hear standing up, which is impressive. And I went to the door and there was nobody there, and they would have had to ripped away. So yeah. So I go, you know, old house settling all that, those, those kind of things. I love old architecture.
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Leveled houses have worked in the movie industry and I've been in many, many places where, you know, all the ghost hunting shows have been and all that. And, I've never encountered anything in a in an exact literal, hey, this is a haunted house. Allegedly. But, I've been around a lot of strange places, and I just. The imagination goes crazy.
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That's what I really think it is at the end of the day. And, And, hey, you never know when one of the Seven Doors to Hell might be in the basement. You're going to be careful when you're doing a laundry. Yeah. Oh. That's awesome. Oh, we're so excited to have you here. We're talking about the beyond today.
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As we mentioned before, and before we get into this, if you're not following the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, even YouTube, go ahead and follow the show so that you never miss cool monsters like this and our fun triple features that we do every three episodes. Today's the beyond. This was part of, I think it was just like a loosely based trilogy.
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The Gates of Hell trilogy. They say it's a trilogy, so. Yeah. Like. Oh, okay. Yeah. Which, you know, you get into talking about these Italian horror movies, and one of the things that you hear a lot is that a lot of them are style over substance. And I can see that in some of these, I, I have yet to see city of the Living Dead and House by the Cemetery, which are the, bookending movies in this, quote unquote Gates of Hell trilogy.
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But the beyond it looks really great. It's got awesome effects. It's got a great score. It's got the cinematography is really cool. Some of the pieces I would say might not kind of click together. But I'd say. But it feels like an it's like intentionally cryptic and abstract, you know, to kind of like feed into that idea of like hell maybe makes no sense.
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So how do we, as mere mortals understand it? Yeah, it's my read. That's how I kind of like. Yeah. And it gets the gist of the style of filmmaking and the time of the filmmaking and and what you said about, some of the style over substance. I won't name the particular movie that's the most famous of all of the Italian horror movies, but I'm not a fan.
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It's like people, oh, I think I know what you're talking about. That was amazing, amazing imagery, and that's great. But what do you really remember about it? Because I'm a story guy and a character, I think that's way beyond really, I'm attracted to it so much. There seems to be more of a story in it. And you get into that whole thing about surrealism.
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The or existentialism, surrealism, and whether it's a choice or, you know, you hanging on that later because we didn't work. So let's say it was surrealistic because we could see it, we didn't have enough footage or the editing was off, but it actually reminds me of one of my favorite films, l'amour de la Mort Cemetery Man, which is, if you've seen that.
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Oh, yeah, it's crazy amazing. And it's intentionally when you get to the last scene. No spoilers here, but when you you know what I'm talking about. When you see the lesson, it's literally existential. It's like this is taking place and, it's not taking place in hell. It's taking place. And like, oh, wow, that's completely different. But I think the beyond is I think it was intended for from my reading, it was tended to be kind of surrealistic.
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And again, whether that's, excuse because, you know, some of the editing like, yeah, you watching through it and some of the stuff just doesn't make sense. You're like like like like one of my favorite things early on is whatever the first thing happens and, you know, get a doctor or don't they have an ambulance? But then suddenly a doctor pulls up in a station wagon, you know, okay, is that rural Louisiana?
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Is that 1980? You can make excuses, but then, you know, a few scenes later, all these terrible things happen at the house, and we're expecting kind of the, you know, the Western, the American horror film, like, you have the police scene and the ambulance take all this way. Oh, no, no, no, no, none of that. Probably budgetary and time wise.
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But suddenly all the bodies are in the morgue and we're just. Yeah. Right. The plumber dies and she, like, goes out for errands, and then all of a sudden, is it days later that night. And I was like, yeah, you're like, well, you the John guy? Is the guy. John, does she meet him in a does she meet him because they're stopped next to each other at a stoplight.
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Yet she. Doctor John, is that when he comes to the house to to fix the guy who fell off the scaffold? Fell. Okay. And that's where each other in the car. That's that's where that's. Well, that's the thing about the surrealism. It's like at the end. Spoiler alert. By the way, hopefully, listeners, you've seen this. I'm guessing you have to watch.
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I did I don't think we could do this. Don't listen to them. Don't watch this sometimes. Come on. We just watch these movies. But, like surreal is at the end when they go down the stairs in the morgue and they end up in the cellar. Got it. Like, clearly that was a planned, surrealistic, experience. But then.
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Yeah, to your point, Eric, like with these, is it a plot hole? That should be a segment on our show. If if we do a full time movie, it's like plot hole or surrealism or or that's I'm sure that's popped up in cinema nonstop because. Yeah, yeah, they're all over that. Yeah. That's what, you know, podcast right there.
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You making that scene. You mentioned the scene where the guy falls off the scaffolding and the doctor comes over and is in his station wagon, and I had to laugh when he comes in and the guy's like, on the couch, just like spitting up blood everywhere. And he's like, this man needs to get to a hospital. Yeah. No shit.
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No. But before but before that examining. And he says, give me some water. And she's like, well, the plumbing is not okay. Then let's take him to a hospital. Like, okay. So water was going to start. It was like, first thing you got is kind of like, how like house that accidentally almost kills every patient, every episode until they stumble on the brilliant where we just needed water.
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Yeah, we just. Have you guys all seen the room with Tommy away, so. Oh, you don't never actually sat down and watch it. Okay. See, I mean, this is very, similar the editing and the, there's just so many weird parts. Like the guy when he's up on the scaffolding, they're like, hey, how's it going? He's like, can I have it finished by this evening?
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Okay, bye. Like, oh, okay. And then when he's laying on the couch and, I can't remember his name, he comes in the room and he just is like, hey, hey there. I don't know, it's just really weird. Yeah, well, I wonder, you know, I kind of noticed it too later, but I wonder if it's like, with the writing, you know, this was written by voce.
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It was written by a guy named Georgio Marriott. So. And Cardano. Cicchetti. And, you know, if I, if I butchered those names, I do apologize, but, you know, they're Italian writers. I wonder if there was like, oh. There's like hospital that says do not entry, do not entry. Yeah. I wonder if there's like a lost in translation kind of thing where it's like, you know, I'm sure trying to get how like Americans talk and, you know, maybe it's different than it is in Italy.
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And. Yeah, probably, you know, I wonder if some of that comes in because later I noted there is two guys, two doctors. It's just like is an exterior shot of the hospital. John is walking out and there's two doctors and they're like, just do you want to go to the Saints game today? And he's like, oh, who are they playing?
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He's like the Bengals. And the guy goes oh the Bengals. And it's just like American football. You know it's in there. Yeah. It's just an observation that it was like like Americanisms or something that like they're trying to put it well it's it's and then you have the British, the two leads. One she's British. He is New Zealand.
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And then you have an Italian director that doesn't speak English from a screenplay. And I just I just read this morning on, the Wikipedia that the production manager, I guess the the local guy said, they didn't even have a script. They just had a three page treatment, which obviously the actors were reading dialog. So there was a script somewhere, but he may not.
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Yeah. And and I don't. Again, I'm not a scholar. I don't know much enough about hockey style, but that could kind of be like, almost like, oh, you know, every American film over the last 15 years, which is basically a reality show. Let's all just go jump on bus and get Spanky and Darla and make a horror movie in the bar and, and just film everything from 16 different cameras and edit it.
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So it seems that way. I know there's some fans out there that actually use scripts and follow things, but yeah, and I bet there was like a level of like overcompensating too. Maybe because the movie we we mentioned is set in New Orleans, but most of it was filmed. Aside from some exteriors were filmed in Rome. So I bet there was this idea of like, guys, let's make sure we don't kind of rest on our laurels here.
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And remember, like, wherever we can Americanize this, do it. Yeah. You know, just. Yes. And having, having worked in the last couple of years on bones and all for Luca Guadagnino, his first horror film and the horror film, I can say that there were definitely some translation, not errors, but, you know, miscommunications, but but you know, there sure.
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Plenty of people around on both sides of the translator that spoke English, but, you know, you're not necessarily always getting the point across. It actually brings up a pet theory of mine to when you say this, may not be original with me. So sorry if I stolen this from somebody else, but I've always said that why? I particularly Japanese horror films, but also, you know, Hong Kong, Chinese, other other cultures making films, their edit points and their storytelling style are different than ours.
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And yet American filmmaking has dominated everything for for decades. And we all grew up, you know, watching mostly American films. We get points in our head. We know where it's at. You're anticipating, we know what the jumpscares are, and it's so horror, you know, jump scares are kind of cheap. But when they're done right, Holy crap, when people misdirect you, it's great.
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But when you're watching something from a different culture, you literally don't know where the edit point is. They're not they're literally not speaking the same filmic language. And so like, you know, like Ringo, the Japanese version, it's so much more frightening because you're just you're on the edge of your seat. You just don't know, like wondering got the same thing here.
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Like there's some great misdirection in this and it's just a different, completely different style of filmmaking that you're not used to. And it's so subtle. I think that's in your subconscious as you're watching and wait, what what happened there. So and also so that's such a good point. Yeah. It's it's it's important to keep that in mind. But also I feel like to that point it is maybe not great to always have to keep it in mind if you don't expect that, because it's that like lack of expectation for the unexpected that makes it even more disorienting.
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Right? Right, right, right. And oh, come on, let's face it, it's 1980. Filmmaking was completely different. And we've been I laugh now, I'm old enough to have gone through it when they talked about MTV editing and everybody's freaking out. There's like every three seconds and you're like, it looks like now you're like every three seconds. What are you talking about?
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People? Yeah, we're reading our phone screen, watching the TV and then talking to one. Everybody's multitasking and there's a cut every like you. What the hell? So it's it's another a note I made about this. And I have actually forgotten that, you know, the films were much slower paced. And for a movie that is very deliberately, slowly paced, Holy shit.
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G crams in so many gags, facts and moments and fake scares, it's just like, hey, and in less than 90 minutes. Yeah, in less than 90 minutes. And the pace is slow. Like like the famous scene. I think I clocked it, and it's almost whichever version you're watching. The, spoiler alert, the, architect falls off of the ladder and gets paralyzed.
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And then a normal movie. That's enough. Oh, this horrible thing happens. You're paralyzed. Oh, no. Let's go to that thing. Here come the spiders. Yeah, the spiders slowly approach. And the skittering sound and this amazing use of the soundtrack and the effects. Yeah, there's a couple obvious fake looking ones in there, but, but. And then they crawl up him, and then they start biting him, and then they're butt and then they're chewing on.
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And that's not enough. Now they've got to crawl on his mouth and you're like, yeah, I mean, it's on one scene, you know, one guy with spiders and there's, you know, there's there's more effects gags in that to make you climb up the wall. And, and that's a one gag out of probably, I don't know, 40 year more.
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Guess it's a huge. Yeah. And yeah, they're so cute and fuzzy I do I have to I have to he won't. I don't know if I'll watch this or not, but I have to give a shout out to my friend Tony, who's kind of, spider phobe. And there's. I watch movies and I joke with him a bit, but I know it's a real thing, and I'm not, you know, I'm not.
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Dig it at him, but, like, do not watch this movie. Don't you have one? There's 1 or 2 of us in here that that really hate spiders. Yeah. I'm, I'm not a fan, believe me, but believe me. Yeah. No. That's that, the the effects in this are just wild. And, General Djerassi was the special effects guy who came up with a lot of these gags and, like, you know, the movie starts off just.
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Well, we'll get into it here in a second, but, this flashback scene where this guy is just getting whipped with chains and his and his flesh just like, splits open and all this, and then they zoom in on it. Yeah, yeah, but these these gags are so good. And, you know, to your point about the spiders taking five minutes, like, I wish, like, more American films would do that, but, you know, you get the MPAA and all this stuff and they have to cut away.
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And you think about all these movies, oh, you know, in the 80s, 70s, 80s, 90s that had these awesome practical effects gags, but they're never seen because they have to cut right when the good stuff happens because of the MPAA. And I like, like I just damn well I wish more movies you could see, like the five minute spider scene where it's they're pulling the guy apart and yeah, I didn't ask.
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I wanted to ask Casey because, Casey, you haven't seen this before, right? And you are our Gore queen of the podcast. Were you, where did it where does it stand in terms of your, It was pretty good, but, yeah, like, the effects were good, but some of them were very not good. Okay. Do you mean like, because it was dated or.
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just things that I could see that, you know, we're not really. I think that's what I loved about it. I think that's my, I think this movie, I think why I love it so much is it's the sweet spot, you know. No. But it was still I still like, did I liked that when, like there was blood.
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Like there was blood. Like it literally is just pouring out of, like, you know what I did? Yeah, yeah. They they didn't pussyfoot around. It was literally like pouring out of everything. So yeah, that's that's very Italian, I think. And then something from a kid watching these and rewatching them now there's almost a documentary feel to it, poultry in particular, but, other Italian horror filmmakers that you can't it feels more real.
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I think that's the film and the filming style, but the effects like like, okay, I believe have been around a lot of special effects. And I always like to say, that if a, if I can't see the seams, if a movie because I put on so many sets, if a movie makes me forget that I'm watching a movie and I'm not looking for the edges or see how they did it, didn't you did it very well.
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And there's some gags in this that I have to go do some research. I mean, you know, of course, when one of the I think one of the best games ever and I loved it in this movie, and when they just want you just keeps going to the next level is whatever. Spoiler alert. Again, so many when in the bathroom scene.
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Later on when I think it's the Martha character is cleaning, and first she goes into the, you know, the filthy black water just cut your arms and it's just so many bits of tension setting things up that you're already like, oh, gross. But then when the zombie Joe the Plumber magically appears and comes up and he's just tapping her and he's grabbing her face and you're like, oh, you're waiting for it to go into her head?
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And then he spikes her head on the towel. Oh yeah, that's enough for anybody. Oh no, that's not enough. Then the eyeball pops out and then you're like, whoa! And then the blood comes out of the front of the eyeball. It just keeps, you know, next level, next. Okay. That's obviously that's not a fact. It's not a real eyeball.
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Come on we get it. Well done and fun. But there's other scenes in there, like you said, the whipping, the chains at the beginning. But there's a point where in that opening scene where they're dragging, driving the nails through his wrists. And I paused it. And that's the guy's arm and that's his hand, and it's moving and it's real.
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And again, maybe I was just tired when I'm watching it that there's obviously a seam there. They're not, you know what? Maybe they really did drive the nail. The guy was just one of those people that enjoys that. But like, okay, that's good. You like, you. Yeah. I think they also use the lighting in that scene to draw the shadows to where his wrist and his hand met.
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So. Yeah, exactly. It's funny, all the things you say that about this character. Specifically. Who? That's Shrek, right? The character. Yeah. Yeah. I could never get his name right. The the warlock painter swipe. Yes. So his character, the not his character, rather the actor. I'm trying to look for my note here, but I can't find it. Yeah. So is he a circus freak that does nailing so.
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Well, he apparently sled set a few times because he was so overwhelmed by the prosthetics that yet they had to keep putting him in and just the experience, but they had to literally go. It was very dramatic, like it was very just, there. Yeah. He would literally try to disappear himself so that no one would find him and they would have to go.
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You'd be like, you have to find him, rabbit. Yeah. I mean, you're trying to it him. So this is the nail, you see? No, I don't want to be it. Really? Yeah. That's the last shot. That was his last day was the worst. The human RSPCA like no no no no no humans were harmed in the film. Like this movie invented inspired.
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Yeah yeah. But, as we, as we laugh about a guy getting crucified on the wall of a bathroom in an old hotel. Yeah. All right, well, let's jump into, our reveals for the beyond. Are you guys ready to head to Louisiana? You know, Louisiana? No leaks. Triple feature. Wait, I have to ticket to Rome.
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I don't, I did. Oh, no. No, you can go to Rome. You can film the, you can film the interior scene. I'll do the interior center stages, and we'll go to the exteriors and, so let's go to the, What's this place called? There's a name for it. This is the hotel, the seven Doors hotel.
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Yeah, let's let's, let's ignore the do not entry sign and go to the seven. This hotel in Louisiana, which is in no way connected to the Holiday Inn Express Corporation whatsoever. It's a completely under. We legally have to state that.
00;25;41;16 - 00;25;56;21
Oh, my God, wouldn't that be funny if they were, like, in there? And it's like the zombies are popping up and it's like, do you know what you're doing? And the doctor looks at lies and he's like, no. But I stayed in the Holiday Inn Express last night.
00;25;56;23 - 00;26;13;07
You.
00;26;13;09 - 00;26;33;20
Okay, so for the beyond, we have 13 months to reveals, and we're talking about the gates of hell. And 13 is a fitting number for that. If you're new to the show, a monster reveal is anytime that a monster in the movie is revealed to a character, or to the audience. Us. We're the audience. That's us.
00;26;33;22 - 00;26;58;21
Yeah. So, Danny, this was your choice for our international X triple feature. Could you please read the synopsis of the Beyond Apple? A young woman in here. It's an old hotel in Louisiana where, following a series of supernatural accidents, she learns that the building was built over one of the entrances to hell. Oh, okay. I hate it when one of our.
00;26;58;23 - 00;27;20;04
Yeah, yeah, and there's only seven, so. Damn. You know. Yeah, yeah. And this one actually had, the US version of The Beyond was released two years, after. So it was made in 1981. It didn't come to the US until 1983, and it was under the title Seven Doors of Death. Oh, yes, I've spun. So that's okay.
00;27;20;10 - 00;27;45;06
Yeah. I kind of like that title too. Yeah, that's actually Seven Doors of Death. And, you know, speaking of the Gates of hell, this hotel being built over one of the gates of hell, I didn't realize at first that wake in the beginning, you know, they call him like a warlock, and it's kind of like a Frankenstein's monster kind of thing, where they're bringing the literally bringing torches and pitchforks coming in to get them.
00;27;45;09 - 00;28;02;22
He was guarding the gates of hell. I didn't realize that at first. He was, like, protecting, trying to keep it closed. Yeah. So this is where I. I was confused, too, because there's a line later, they say something later. And again, it comes down to, I guess maybe just like who this person is hearing this information from.
00;28;02;25 - 00;28;26;22
Okay, again, this it's I'm sure we'll get to it. It's somewhere in my notes and it mentions something specifically about. Oh, it's when, Emily is with the painting. She says she mentions, Schweich was the man who found the key. So I'm guessing, like, the key to the doorway to help. Like, was the painting done to open the door?
00;28;26;24 - 00;28;44;01
Yeah. Was the painting done to close it? They say that in the in the intro that he was guarding the gate, and I think that that might be okay. Okay. Yeah. Dropped storyline there. That famous. Sure script or what. Okay. So yeah you were and I was anticipating that when I first saw it and remembering like, oh, there's a story.
00;28;44;01 - 00;29;01;06
He's actually not the bad guy. He's really the good guy. No he's not. He's a zombie trying to sucker just a missed opportunity. And you bring up one of the other things that I like to. There's this weird. I'm a disembodied, voiceover male, which I'm a fan of voiceovers. I think they're, you know, they're they're they're not.
00;29;01;06 - 00;29;20;18
Yeah. They get frowned upon in Hollywood a lot, but when they're used. Right, Dexter and other things, it really gives you insight. But it's really Emily kind of telling the story to Eliza. But suddenly this voiceover is in this male voice and it's just disconnected. And like, did the producer add that in the add that it's just trying to explain things.
00;29;20;24 - 00;29;49;23
It's great dialog, it's fun and it's mysterious and all that. But like, it doesn't explain is that Audrey at all is hell mansplaining Emily? Is that what what a dick. It's full of mansplaining. That's funny. She's like, so she, like, lays out the rules in the narrative and you just see her kind of like, look up like do like the of what's who's the character from The Office you like looks at the camera like, oh Jim, he's I was like, she didn't care.
00;29;49;26 - 00;30;12;25
I also yeah. Okay, so our first official monster reveal, comes in the form of who will later to be known as Emily, but she pops up in the window, when the man on the scaffolding is is painting, and you just see her eyes, which you find out she's blind. But I thought she was like a ghost, which I guess she is kind of a ghost.
00;30;12;27 - 00;30;39;17
But know another thing doesn't really make any sense. It scares the shit out of him, and he falls off the scaffolding and, as you know, as we said earlier in the episode, he coughs up more than a little bit of blood and could use a glass of water, but I don't think when they when they carry it, when there's no water and they carry him, it's like instead of a gurney or something that literally the two guys just pull him up and carry him, like one of these kind of spinal injury.
00;30;39;19 - 00;30;59;09
Them in the back of the in this again I get I'm taking Thomas. But to to your point about like Emily like you thought she was a ghost and then obviously we meet her later and she is this and then she mentions later she doesn't want to go back. So she's clearly someone she's more of, like a presence in the movie.
00;30;59;12 - 00;31;18;07
Yeah. Like a cautionary like person to say like, this is she's kind of almost, I guess, in a way, kind of taking over Zweig's responsibility of like guarding the door, but a little more like loosely because she doesn't have access to the painting. So, yeah, I guess I'm kind of like in real time trying to figure out who she is.
00;31;18;07 - 00;31;38;21
Maybe it's, fluid. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I don't know if all the stories points kind of line up because later in the, towards the end when she's being kind of, like, confronted by all these zombies, like, in the living room or something, and she's yelling at them, saying, I did what you asked, like, leave me alone.
00;31;38;23 - 00;32;00;28
So that's kind of confusing because, yeah. Was she like, trying to summon them? I don't know, it does posit the idea that you can escape hell, which is interesting. I feel like this is pretty cool about you. Oh, yeah. Exactly. Yeah. You contemporary. You can technically leave it, but you'll never quite escape it. But what are the eyes?
00;32;00;28 - 00;32;21;12
What are the eyes? So awesome. Yeah, yeah. Awesome. Awesome. Yeah, I really like them, but I don't understand because. So. Well. Because then they just start giving them to all kinds of people for not. Well, it's also false. He mentioned that like he said, eyes are the windows to the soul. To the soul. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. Yeah.
00;32;21;19 - 00;32;46;27
But then what does that do. Yeah. I think it's something to do with the idea of seeing hell and how it is so beyond. Beyond, like what the human mind can conceive. It literally blinds you, like, it's so shocking that you have, like, a physical reaction to it. Your body can't contain it. But what's your eyes like?
00;32;46;27 - 00;33;07;03
Can't behold it. That might be kind of a downer. So what, like after, we'll get into the Jill thing. Oh, it's kind of like, Pennywise and the the dead lights. The bright lights. Yeah. Where they say something like. So his hair turned white. Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah, it's it's so beyond what we can, you know, perceive or can see.
00;33;07;03 - 00;33;24;06
Yeah. There's, there's the, I think the, if there was a studio remake, the over explanation and I'll admit he can do that in some of my screenplays and stories. Don't give the audience enough credit to figure it out. I mean, is it anything from just. Oh, that's a cool gag to signify it's a monster? Or, like, what you're saying is, maybe you're soulless.
00;33;24;06 - 00;33;45;16
It's you. When you've, you know, an escape, your soul is still down there and it's shut down or something. I'm sure I like that. It works either way. And there's probably the real answer is it looked cool, right? Because like, because. Jill. What? Did Jill. Children go to hell? Well, no, I mean, she got her. She got her eyes when she sees, like, the corpses and all the stuff in the in.
00;33;45;18 - 00;34;07;23
But later on in the movie, then, Dick and Jane see all the fucking all look, all the things in the hospital, and they don't get their eyes until they actually go to hell. So that's true is more about the person. Well, it's Jill perfectly. Everyone else. When they're a monster, they attack. But suddenly, you know, Jill and and Emily, don't they?
00;34;07;25 - 00;34;29;21
Emily is a different character. She's actually interacting. And obviously we see that she's trying to warn somebody for whatever reason and without explaining, what did she do? Yeah. Run the earth. But yeah, the Jill, like, I'm gonna hide that I'm a monster for for, you know, that entire chase scene. And then suddenly, at the right dramatic moment, Jill attacks like, oh, yeah, kind of like the dog, too, but.
00;34;29;23 - 00;34;46;14
Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I talk about a lot that when you're writing and you guys may know this, but, and this does break it as you make monster rules and you internally, when you're creating something, you have to create the rules, and then you have to follow the rules. And sometimes you paint yourself into a corner because you've made the monster.
00;34;46;14 - 00;35;07;19
So, you know, so powerful, like, yeah, good example. Freddy, Freddy Krueger, you know, don't fall asleep when you fall asleep in your head. Of course, there's more to that. You have to be one of the kids of the, original. Whatever. Original assaulters of burners of Freddy Krueger. Yeah, that's a simple monster rule. And if suddenly Freddy appears in the dining room like, in the middle of the day.
00;35;07;19 - 00;35;25;17
Well, and you instantly know that you've fallen asleep and you don't realize that you can't really be there during the. Unless. That was an, Nightmare on Elm Street 62. Yeah. The waking, the one that I may have missed somehow, but but yeah, you got to do those rules. And yes, they play really fast and loose with the rules here, like so.
00;35;25;17 - 00;35;54;24
It's definitely in one of the spinoff novelizations. They, they've, they vaguely touch on that, I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's it's like lightly little. It was like daydreaming Freddy. So yeah. Okay, so we talked about Emily here for a little bit. Let's jump to number two. This is, the great, eyeball gag where, Joe the painter.
00;35;54;28 - 00;36;21;19
No plumber, Joe the plumber, who comes down, and he's investigating the the leakage. And, that has one on the wall. Yeah, yeah, that's got to investigate the leakage. But the hand that popped out of the wall. Good jump scare and, really cool effect where it, like, slowly pries out his eyeball. Oh, yeah. So cool. He loves his eyeball stuff.
00;36;21;23 - 00;36;46;04
And, yeah, there's one. I'm not excited about it alone. I don't want to be a naysayer. I did like this movie, but I do have more questions. So, this man was what melted. And then nobody had anything to say about, Yeah. And nothing seems to just be like a normal thing in this world. Further, further, when Martha discovers him,
00;36;46;06 - 00;37;06;09
It's like she just. There he is, melted eyeball. The eyes are gone. Whatever. And she's just, like, looking at him. And then when Peter's body rises, which is way less like, way less, screaming like, just not like Joe. You. Yeah. Like that's what. Yeah. There were there were no questions. And then. Yeah, he just got sent to the morgue.
00;37;06;09 - 00;37;23;05
They did an autopsy. No big deal, I guess. Yeah. I wonder what the cause of death was. They never, you know, they did the autopsy. What did we find? He's he's, sewing back up his chest. Worms. Hey. Hey, doc, I didn't go to medical school, but it's pretty obvious. It's because he had his eyeballs pulled out of his hands.
00;37;23;07 - 00;37;44;00
Recap. Because what are you. What are you looking for? I'm really surprised that they're not eating a sandwich, though. Oh, yeah, I was looking for that, cause I was gonna be a few of the episodes we've done in the past. We've noticed that there is a running gag of the mortician with the sandwich, putting it on the either on or near the body.
00;37;44;04 - 00;38;05;12
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now I want to know what you like. This one. Like, what was it was arachnophobia. I don't remember that was the only one. Yeah, man. Friday the 13th, part four. I wonder if, Quincy medical examiner ever had a sandwich that I can watch. I'm going to go binge watch the entire series on YouTube and see.
00;38;05;15 - 00;38;26;26
But one more thing. Comes up with a ham sandwich and just pulls it out. But there was like a weird kind of chemistry between Martha and Joe first. Like, oh, I thought they were enemies. Yeah, I think so. They were like, yeah, they were like, Martha was so suspicious. First we like the Gates of hell. I don't know, I think it's not each other.
00;38;26;26 - 00;38;45;11
It's what I was. Oh, yeah. Oh, by the way, anyone watching it may seem like me in particular, but all of us are making fun of a great classic movie. We're not. But there's things that. Oh, just you don't help but laugh at. And yeah, and one of my, one of the ones my brain just does this where they go elaborately call attention.
00;38;45;13 - 00;39;09;11
When, Joe comes over and, while he's talking or Eliza's talking about the basement and the flooding. And, Martha, the first time you see Martha, she goes, I very carefully, elaborately made a path for Joe to walk on so that it doesn't get wet. And then basically a swimming pool of, of a creepy basement. And Joe takes about three steps on the path and then just walks out of the water here like a wall.
00;39;09;14 - 00;39;28;18
Maybe that's why Martha doesn't give a shit, because he's like, yeah, Martha. And like that. And that's what happens when you don't stay on the path. Joe. Exactly. Joe, don't get out of the boat. Joe, don't get off the boat. Now, Eric brings up a good point. And it's something that we like to remind our audience every.
00;39;28;19 - 00;39;52;28
It's been a while since we've done it, but, we do joke a lot on these episodes, but we absolutely love these movies, and we love the filmmakers. We understand firsthand how incredibly difficult it is to make a movie and to write a movie and to put all these pieces together. And it's almost impossible. It's crazy that movies get made just with all the moving pieces.
00;39;53;00 - 00;40;12;25
So this show, you know, if you've listened to us long enough, you understand. But if you're new to the show, we just have fun. We like to poke fun, have a good, have a good time. But, we do understand the incredible hard work that goes into putting these these movies together. So for lovers. Yeah. So, Eric, thank you for bringing that up because.
00;40;12;25 - 00;40;45;24
Yeah. And yes, we've we've mentioned that and we do like to I love that you said that because I brought it up before. And having been on hundreds of sets over the years, it's so hard just to make anything just a film with make it competent to make it good. That's even one step beyond. And I and I think I'm, uniquely qualified to laugh at things like that, because if you've watched anything that I've written, I put in so many dumb things sometimes on purpose, because I remember saying at one point, trying to make something more serious funny was like, if we don't laugh at it, the audience is going to, why
00;40;45;24 - 00;41;06;11
don't we laugh together and have fun with sure. But, so I'm the my my screenplays are the kings of clunkers. So. But so. And I have. But I do have deep respect for films like this, like you said. And the filmmakers, because it is hard and. But you got to laugh. Please. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, one time Zach and I, we shot a short film a few years ago, and we put it in a festival, and I saw it.
00;41;06;11 - 00;41;22;17
I got to see you in the audience for the first time, because it was right after Covid. And I was like, well, this is fun. And I'm sitting there and everyone was great. They were very responsive and friendly, but there were a couple moments where they laughed and like the crowd, like laughed. It was. And I was like, oh, that's a funny set.
00;41;22;19 - 00;41;38;27
I'm just going to own it. I, I'm with the room and Tommy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've gotten comments like that on my novel that people are thinking it's like it's a comedy horror. And I'm like, well, I meant it to be humorous and I put dark humor in it, but I'm like, Jesus, there's some really dark shit in there.
00;41;38;27 - 00;41;58;17
And people are laughing like, what's wrong with you people? So sometimes you become desensitized. Like you transcend the genre. Yeah. And you can't help it. And it's I think I honestly, I always tend to think that's for the best because it becomes its own thing. Like you've created it, and then it kind of grows beyond what maybe you intended for the best.
00;41;58;19 - 00;42;20;10
Well, I think like even in life there's like, there's like a moment, you know, Danny, kind of like you said, if you go too far, maybe not go too far, but, like, it's so dark that, like, your body just can't, like. Because I remember, you know, specifically. And I bring this up just because you reminded me of it when, when Heath ledger died, we were in school together.
00;42;20;10 - 00;42;38;18
We were in in college together, and I don't remember what somebody told me, or I heard it somewhere, and, like, I laughed because I was like, what? You know, it's just like it's. You know, I just said my. Yeah, I didn't know Heath ledger. He was like, no, you know, but that's a whole other conversation about our connection to celebrities because whatever.
00;42;38;18 - 00;43;04;05
But, yeah, but I remember laughing because I was like, it was just like, yeah, it was like, shocking your money. I think that's a defense mechanism, right? Are protecting us. So it's like, it's so insane to to, like, put that thought together and except it as truth, that's like oh what. Yeah. It's almost like if we don't laugh when something is so dark, we get the the beyond experience.
00;43;04;07 - 00;43;24;26
That's why you guys, that's the whole thing. It's it's like this movie is like if you can't, you know, if it is all just this hellish experience without any sense of hope at the end of witnessing something as horrific as this, what's the point? Like you may as well just, like, shut down. Yeah, because you've seen how bad it can be.
00;43;24;26 - 00;43;41;19
You have to like, you have to be able to live within a reality. That right exists with these other horrors that are kind of paired up with the good, like living with like, the dark and the light, the sour and the sweet. You know, you have to be able to exist within that realm. I think that's kind of the genesis of horror comedy, too, that.
00;43;41;19 - 00;44;03;23
Yeah, I mean, there's blatant horror comedies that are meant to be funny, but, you know, the comic, the comedic relief moment, it's a breather. It's something horrific. And you do that sometimes in writing, but in filmmaking and all that is, you got to get you got to give the audience a break. And there's one movie in particular that, another one that I forgot the name of, but I don't I don't like to mention because it's from a very celebrated horror filmmaker.
00;44;03;23 - 00;44;28;09
But I remember everyone's loving it, and I watched it, and it was so unrelentingly nihilistic from the beginning to the end. And I just like, I want to go take a shower that was not entertaining. And like, you're like, how are people? People are loving that movie. Are they really loving that? Like, I probably loved it, but and some of things that these great that that kind of comes down to characters too.
00;44;28;10 - 00;44;48;10
You got to give me one character to write to, like whether it's the final girl, final guy, final puppy, whatever it is, or some side character that you enjoy, but then they still have to die. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. Our just our previous episode, before this one was I Saw the Devil, which is, that's a movie that gives you punch.
00;44;48;17 - 00;45;13;24
Well, it gives you no relief. It is just so dark the whole way through. But Danny mentioned something in that episode about the action, and I wonder if, like, that was kind of that instead. Yeah, instead of like little moments with dialog, it's the action that kind of just gives us a little relief, because it's like a cool action movie until it's like super dark or it's it's as simple as the scene break to the next morning.
00;45;13;24 - 00;45;34;28
You know, that's the old trope that the sun comes up and it dissolves the magic. The vampires go away. But also you're like, okay, the nightmare's over, and let's reset until you get up really bad. That's literally the line of, Ken Russell's Gothic. The entire movie is this nightmare. And then in the last few minutes, it's day time and they kind of react like nothing happened.
00;45;35;03 - 00;45;56;29
Yeah, it's it's like I thought, oh, what a morning. Like that's, like. Yeah. And you are kind of like, oh, are we not talking about this? I guess we don't want to. Maybe that's for the best. They're going to talk about it over brunch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. That was the sun will eventually set again. Okay, so our third reveal in the beyond is we meet Emily.
00;45;57;02 - 00;46;18;17
This is where Liza meets Emily on the, like, the causeway. The the big, It's the famous bridge that goes to, Yeah. Louisiana. I've been on it. I don't remember, it's called, but it's really long. And, there's a great, production still, from this movie of 40 sitting in a director's chair on that bridge.
00;46;18;17 - 00;46;39;24
And it's just like, you know, he's he's framed up just right in the center, like, like Emily is in the scene, and he's chair, and it's it's really cool. Oh, I'm a China flier. The audience, the Leo basin. After a while, maybe, I don't know. I've been on many times, and I was I was like, you said that that like, she's driving right down the middle of it.
00;46;39;27 - 00;47;02;24
Yeah. Another one of those like, it just takes me out of it. I get it, but that's fine. That look, that. Oh no, Lake Pontchartrain. Pontchartrain. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of time down there. Okay. The last drive in with Joe Bob Briggs, he was he was talking about how, he's like, this is really like, if you've been on it, it's nice, but it's just a long stretch of road.
00;47;02;24 - 00;47;24;19
He's like, leave it to someone like Lucio Fulci to make it look as haunting as it looks in the movie. It's like, that is a testament to the kind of filmmaker that he is, that he can. Because I was going to say earlier, we were talking about like, what is that movie? I think 41 of my favorite things that he that he brings to a movie and why maybe his movies are so memorable, aside from the gore, is the atmosphere he's so good with, like a vibe.
00;47;24;24 - 00;47;46;20
You know, he just strikes this perfect balance of kind of like funhouse, but with a but, I don't know, like, it's just it's so, I don't know, I was going to say grounded, but it's so not grounded, like visceral. It's like visceral. It feels like it can hurt you. It's it's fun to watch reality, but one degree to the right or left.
00;47;46;23 - 00;48;03;09
Yes. You did like. Yeah. You're you're you're there and you know, it's a real place. But suddenly you just look at it slightly different than it's the rules don't quite make sense that we're used to. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's it's 17 miles I forget now I've driven I crossed it many times a 27 miles, 17 miles.
00;48;03;09 - 00;48;42;23
I've never encountered a woman standing in the middle of a road with a dog. Yeah. Like, I think I maybe just keep going, but she's probably in this traffic jam, and suddenly she's, We're in The Hitcher seven. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's like, I don't know, back then if the traffic in and out of, Louisiana and New Orleans was, a lot lighter, but that was like nobody on that bridge that's practically because we do this stuff a lot, and I that's one of those things that, like I said, it takes me out of the moment because all I could think of was, wow.
00;48;42;24 - 00;49;04;22
Even for 1980, they had to really do a lot to close that. Now we've you yeah, close freeways and stuff like that. The shoot, which is phenomenal. And I think at one point I think they even shut down the 405 in LA if, you know, down like okay, you got a lot of money to do that. So usually they shove you on a side road or something or a bank road, but like wow, that's and they, they really pleaded the case.
00;49;04;22 - 00;49;27;11
And probably the Louisiana troopers had a blast. Oh, hell yeah. Let's shut it. Yeah. But in the real world you're like hurry up and get the shot because they're open, they're opening this shit up in about 30s. Yeah. Tom cruise running through fucking Times Square looking at the sky of horror movies. Yeah. Or there's a great short film which is probably 20 years old now.
00;49;27;11 - 00;49;41;17
I lose track of time like, most people do, but called 405 if you've ever seen it, it's probably all over YouTube. It was a huge thing when it came out. It's a basically a guy going to work and the road's empty and he's like, what the hell? And it turns out there's an emergency, jet landing.
00;49;41;20 - 00;50;01;00
Okay, so they've cleared the road, and the story is that it lands on the the the whatever. Wheels hit his car and they're shoving him forward. So it's actually a really, really well done, fun little 4 or 5 minute. 405I think that's what I'm sort of okay. Anyway, back to the beyond. Well, yeah. This, let's jump to our fourth reveal.
00;50;01;01 - 00;50;29;22
Marianne, who is the wife of Joe the Plumber. Oh, God. This is this this reveal is we're going to kind of lump these together. This is Marianne and Jill kind of in the morgue, and they're seeing all the corpses and things are going astray. But, Mary, I. One of the things I love is that Marianne gets her husband, her dead husband, fully dressed.
00;50;29;24 - 00;50;53;15
Yeah. Right next to this. Well, well, next to this rotting corpse. Yeah. She doesn't seem to notice until she doesn't notice. He's fully dressed. Yeah. And then, she gets scared. Don't think that's, you know, that's not how it works. But anyway. Which, actually, though I made it, I made a note of that. And, again, film scholars, please, shoot me if I'm wrong.
00;50;53;17 - 00;51;11;26
In a nice way, but, because it was Hitchcock that, huge Hitchcock fan. But the different the type of tension is, if I remember the, the example correctly, the two characters had talking at a diner, having coffee and there's a bomb, and you show the Hitchcock would show the bomb so that the audiences.
00;51;11;26 - 00;51;29;11
Oh, no. It's ticking. The characters are unaware. Again, I may have the references completely backwards on that, but that's one way of filmmaking making filmmaking tension. I thought like that was the idea of the, won't you do that? Oh, times in this movie that she's showing the thing and it is kind of weird and distracting, but you're waiting for the entire time.
00;51;29;11 - 00;51;50;11
Every time you go to the morgue, you're waiting for this zombie corpse to jump up and attack. Yeah, and he doesn't. And it's true. Yeah. A little edge of tension, but yeah, it is kind of like. Well, yeah, because we've seen my thing is they go to the they go to the funeral home and then the person at the funeral home gets them ready for the funeral and puts their clothes on when they come into the morgue.
00;51;50;13 - 00;52;09;02
But the along the same lines, the part that really bothered me is how many scenes later when Joe rises magically out of the filthy, tub. And yeah, the hotel, he's not wearing the suit that she elaborately. So he's back. We just heard he went that off. She went to all the trouble because her look of horror was not what she saw.
00;52;09;02 - 00;52;25;24
His corpse rising because she couldn't believe all that work was done. Oh, my God, he was actually, he was actually having an affair with Martha because he was pissed at his wife because she kept picking out his clothes. Oh, so now you just. Okay, this. I'm just going to bring this up. You just explained it. There's something in when I.
00;52;25;24 - 00;53;02;03
At least I do this. When you're writing a script, when you're writing a story, is don't give characters similar sounding names. And this one is like Eliza and Emily and the E's. Oh, yeah. My my, professional, very, very professional way of doing this is you just go through the alphabet ABCd. Yeah, but another thing is I hate and movies when they cast similar looking actors and especially in something like this, like you're even Emily and Eliza to a point now, maybe because I may be some version of Face Blind that I can't necessarily see it, but I remember I think it's alien three or whichever one on the prison planet.
00;53;02;03 - 00;53;19;00
I remember when I first watched this, it's a bunch of shaved headed, British people that sound alike, and I can't tell you the characters apart now that I forget. Course, you can tell the characters. Yeah, but, so I noticed this and similarity between Martha and Marianne. They both have the same, you know, m names or whatever, whoever gave it.
00;53;19;00 - 00;53;41;29
But they looked alike. But now you just made me think of this. It's. Jo was stepping out, and she's, She doesn't know what it was, because she's she's a higher version of Marianne. So. And for Marianne, she's doing the torch thing and has no idea that Joe's cheating on her. Yep. Yeah. To be fair, maybe Joe just assumed that Martha was Marianne, because.
00;53;42;05 - 00;54;02;09
Yeah. So, I mean, he did was like, nice. That's why. That's why he looked at her so weird. When they get down in the basement, he's like, he's like, you're my boy. What are you doing here? But, you know, to your point about the Hitchcock and the bomb under the table like they do that fun thing with, with the brainwave monitor?
00;54;02;09 - 00;54;22;04
Yeah, yeah. And we've seen, we've seen that this corpse has a brainwave, and so we know it's there and, like, something's going to happen. Yeah, but, you know, there's a moment. It's kind of a like, it's kind of like that weird thing. You're in the morgue in Louisiana, in the small town, and, oh, you're gonna you're going to put the zombie corpse on the brainwave machine.
00;54;22;04 - 00;54;38;00
You're like, wait, what is this? This stuff? And. Yeah, yeah, I would like to point out, I know there's some people hate the this other movie, and I'm a big fan of it. It's an it may be arguably style over substance, but I think there's a lot of substance but equilibrium, there is an lot, if you remember that with Christian Bale.
00;54;38;00 - 00;54;58;12
But again, the king of Gun Fu, there is one of the best. There's like drop moments ever with the brainwave where it's, you know, the whole thing of like you're taking the pill and it's wiping out your emotions. And they think that, Christian Bale is part of the team. And then suddenly, like, boop, he's not. He skipped the pool and he's about to bust ass on everybody.
00;54;58;12 - 00;55;13;22
It's such a great edited moment. That's such a fun movie. I've nothing to do with the Beyond. Yeah. It's been, it's been. So that's because I've seen that. But knowing that little scene exists, I want to watch it again, because I remember having a lot of fun with that movie. Yeah. And that's, that's one of those great editing moments in a film.
00;55;13;22 - 00;55;31;28
But like, you can you can hate the rest of it. I don't, I love it, but go hate it. But that one moment is so perfectly done. Like, oh sure. Yeah. You but get back to that way. Could run. Why do we have this brainwave machine? I actually, I'm cleaning out my parent's house and there's some weird kind of oscilloscope thing in there that I found, like, why do we have it?
00;55;31;28 - 00;55;50;22
But now I'm thinking, maybe I need to put some pads on. I. Yeah, you're gonna walk by and you're going to see it. Just turn on this for us, okay? Oh, but Marianne gets freaked by something in this, you know, it's off screen, but we're assuming that it's this corpse that has has risen and,
00;55;50;25 - 00;56;17;04
And Jill comes running in, and Marianne has just, like, fainted. And somehow, maybe she knocked the the shelf and the, the jar of open jar. I should say this is just sitting there and tipping, and it pours over and she doesn't flinch when it starts to melt her face. And, again, I just want to point out that we're just having fun with these movie.
00;56;17;06 - 00;56;38;25
And, and the ending is so you don't leave an open jar of acid sitting on the shelf to melt your face. Make sure you put. You've got acid. Cork it. Yeah, that's what I always say. It up. Fuck it up, plug it up. But that leads to leads to a great, I think, a very well filmed and great thing.
00;56;38;25 - 00;56;56;17
And you can laugh at Jill and whether you know her eyeballs and all that, but, you know, she comes in, sees her mom and her mom's face is melting off. But the pools of blood, they keep spreading and you're like, oh, this is so. And you hated it, right? I didn't hate it. No, I loved this movie, but it was very Austin Powers.
00;56;56;17 - 00;57;20;23
When he's waiting at the edge of the hallway when the. Yeah, the cars coming towards him or the the steamroller is coming towards the guy in Austin Powers and just stood back. She didn't she just stood there. And I think, well, I think what makes I it's funny because I really do I don't know if that was intentional to, like, be kind of amusing and, like, Jill, step in, like, help do something.
00;57;20;25 - 00;57;48;15
The fact that it is, again, it is clearly not a real person getting their face melted off. But it is. So it really. Yeah, very quickly. It's very upsetting to just watch that. Yeah. To just have to sit with it. It forces you to watch it. Yeah. But again, it's one of those like very cool effects things. You know we talked about the five minute long spider scene, which is you just sit with it and you got you get to see the hard work of all this special effects.
00;57;48;18 - 00;58;06;00
You know, the special effects artist, hard work. Just literally melting away. But like, it's so cool that we can just sit there and watch it and kind of live in it for a minute rather than just like, oh, the acid hit her face and we cut away. But it's also, it's, audience manipulation in a way, too.
00;58;06;03 - 00;58;24;10
Even if you do that, eventually you're gonna. Yeah. Like, oh, I'm so you out there. Yeah. And then to your point about, like, just how different cultures and different countries maybe the rules of in the DNA of filmmaking and editing is that we maybe are kind of tailor to be like, if I just look away for a second, it'll be gone.
00;58;24;16 - 00;58;41;19
And then you look back. Yeah, no, it's still there. And then you keep doing it and it's still there. It's. Yeah. Yeah. And but it is well done as she's backing away and the, the foaming blood of her mom that's melting corners her and. Yeah. And then it goes to the weird she opens the more door to escape.
00;58;41;19 - 00;59;12;14
And then the strange corpses fall out like again. This this hospital needs a quality check. What are you. Don't put on trays. You just kind of stack them up. So that was probably a practical joke among the morgue staff. Oh. When Billie opens the door, only the corpses fill out. So Jill. No, it's, It's funny. They, you know, there's, like, there's active and inactive characters, and Jill is an inactive character, but not to her, like, full.
00;59;12;14 - 00;59;32;17
She just is. Things are happening to her, and at least the other people are kind of like putting themselves into these situations. She's just kind of like dragged into them and she dies of words like watches her mom died in like the most horrific way, gets possessed, gets her head blown off. They they bury her parents and then they're like, poor Jill is now an orphan.
00;59;32;17 - 00;59;54;25
And then everyone just leaves them to leave. Yeah, well, I gotta get to work. And she's a redhead, so it's like, did somebody here? Oh, red haired girl. She's got a lot going against her. Yeah. There's, I mean, where's her was her movie. Later on, she turned. That's a total serial killer. She's probably. She'll be of character in the remake for sure.
00;59;54;28 - 01;00;18;13
She's got she's in a lot of therapy now. This is our. I want to say this is our fucking fourth movie in a row that has had some kind of white substance mixed with blood. Oh. Oh, yeah. Visual. Oh, this is so disgusting. Strawberry and it's so bit better as film, though. Yeah, but it starts out not.
01;00;18;13 - 01;00;38;09
It doesn't foam right away. So it's the this. And I'm like, we need to stop watching movies where this happens, where there's a milky substance and blood. I'm over it. I am over Zack. This has been hard to you all summer, so we've just been getting them like one after the other. We did. You know, we started this triple feature with possession, which is.
01;00;38;09 - 01;01;11;26
Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, that's literally missing fluids. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But okay, I, I digress, number five. Oh, this is, this is cool because now we're, we're going back to the, the painting that Schweich did. This is where Emily touches the painting and her hands start to bleed. And she kind of gets this image or this she, like senses that Schweich is is back and he's here and so this is kind of the fence about whether or not we would include this as an official reveal.
01;01;11;26 - 01;01;33;26
But because this is more about like the essence of hell kind of permeating, you know, shows the power of a painting. Yeah, exactly. And the painting is Schweich kind of. Yeah, exactly. So but there is no likeness after this man is is melted in her basement and she doesn't do anything. And then she sees this girl touch a painting and just start bleeding profusely out of her hands and just she just go with it.
01;01;33;28 - 01;01;54;25
She's like, this is crazy. I think this is a sociopath. Well, they tell her, though, like you have to. It's that classic, like, haunted house thing of you probably should just give up on this. And she's like, no, I invested too much into it. Yeah, it's like, I get it. But also, we've had 17 deaths this morning. Consider watching it.
01;01;54;27 - 01;02;13;25
Yeah. Don't tell anybody the the Google views are going to be horrible. It's rage TripAdvisor. And I found this place like shut up. She's like let's just leave it. It's a haunted hotel. Maybe we'll get some customers. Actually, if you're like me, I actually go to places like that on purpose. Yeah. Oh, yes. Exactly. It's like, yeah, Casey's this.
01;02;13;25 - 01;02;40;10
Casey's been having a lot of excursions. A lot a lot of ghost hunting. Yeah, and it's fun, but dangerous. Yeah. It almost feels like to me. I was watching this. I was like, is room 36 like, the only room in this hotel? Like, it's the only door they show. And I know, it's like, you know, room 36 is where he supposedly died, and I was stuffing, and it was every every I just had hotel needs, you know, it's like room 237 or room 217.
01;02;40;10 - 01;02;47;05
But then what was the room? Oh, know. Like, what's the room at the dining room?
01;02;47;08 - 01;03;06;03
Oh, that actually begs that I've been wanting to ask this. It's a it's a stupid question. If you had to stay in all but one of these haunted hotels, which one of the three would you avoid? Well, 1408 this hotel, only the worst. Overlook or dolphin? The dolphin. So you would avoid dolphin? I would avoid the dolphin.
01;03;06;06 - 01;03;24;04
So you would stay at the overlook and you would stay at the Seven Doors Hotel? Yes. I would, I would, not stay at the Seven Doors hotel because they just haven't cleaned out yet. Yeah. I mean, look at that. Oh my God. Well, that's not fair. It's not open for business, but it were open for business.
01;03;24;07 - 01;03;48;00
And I've been in some really bad hotels. No, I went there. Yeah I think, yeah, I mean, one I would do this. I'm the same. I would avoid the seven Doors hotel and I would, I would 1408 is torturous though. Well yeah. But in in a 14. But the plumbing works. Yeah. But at the Dolphin Hotel, 1408 is the only haunted room.
01;03;48;02 - 01;04;06;13
So you can stay in the fucking basement. That's a good point. I guess you could. You could get another, you know, exactly out of the, I found the loophole. Yeah. Okay. If you had to stay there in 1408. Okay. Oh. But also and still await the plumbing, only the plumbing would only work depending on the person.
01;04;06;16 - 01;04;30;00
Oh, that's true, because all that stuff happens depending on who you are, right? That's true. Yeah, yeah. So I maybe if you kind of backed up toiletry, that's what's happening in your hotel room, I feel like. Oh, God, I hope that's not my one. That's that's my personal hell. Spiders. Sharks now. Oh. Backed up toilet like. Yeah, it's a me.
01;04;30;00 - 01;04;49;27
It comes down to like, esthetics because they're all so miserable that I would. Yeah. At least the dolphin is like, cute. And, the overlook is charming. This one is just. Oh, the overlook is. I love the overlook. Oh, I love yeah. I would actively stay that even if it was just like, would you stay or not? Yeah, I would say yes.
01;04;50;01 - 01;05;10;05
Yeah. Yeah. And I'd check into the El Royale without without hesitation. Oh there you go. Oh totally different I love it. That was a cute movie. Like such a good movie. That's my, that's more underrated. To my God, that's my idea for a podcast. How the hell did that get made? Like, yes, somebody made this bizarro movie.
01;05;10;05 - 01;05;33;26
That's awesome. Yes. And it's so good. Crazy that more people aren't like, yeah, that's not like a favorite movie of so many people. Oh, well, that's what I wish. Like, you know, I wish here in the States we made more movies like like this, like The Beyond where whether it was supposed to be or not. You know, the, the style over substance, whether that was, intentional or it just got lost somewhere in the editing or the whatever.
01;05;33;28 - 01;05;51;24
I wish we got more stuff like this, you know? Hey, because we've seen. Because as much as we're joking about it on this episode, like, I love it and it's so cool, and I, I love I absolutely loved it, too. It's more dreamlike and surrealist than a typical, like, American movie. And I just wish we got more.
01;05;51;24 - 01;06;06;12
Well, I think there's an argument to be made that we are kind of I was wondering, I was like, what is our what era are we in? You know, because we were kind of in, you know, there's the the early 2000 is very heavy on remakes. Maybe you could say, like the past decade was that they threw around the term elevated horror.
01;06;06;12 - 01;06;22;21
Whether or not you agree with that being a thing or not. I feel like now we're in this very, it's very balls to the wall type of horror, but also kind of with its foot in the mainstream, like the it's not that it's safe, but it's safer if there is some structure narratively. I guess that kind of keeps things in check.
01;06;22;21 - 01;06;47;01
You know, I just I won't spoil anything, but like, weapons comes to mind, like just tonally, it's just kind of like, wow, I love This is so strange. Like, what a fun ride. The monkey was like that. Casey, you mentioned Terrifier in in more like the graphic, side of things. I feel like audiences are kind of like, and we won't get into it, but maybe, you know, they always say, like, horror kind of is responding to the state of the world.
01;06;47;08 - 01;07;12;24
And there is a little bit of kind of chaos in the world to some extent. And, maybe people are kind of presenting sort people are kind of gravitating toward it like, I need to I need something wild or I need to, I need my head is here. I want to know that I can experience that. And it's I'll be okay at the end of the day when the credits are, oh, something a little more disconnected from reality, because reality is really great.
01;07;12;24 - 01;07;34;01
Now, when we go to, can we go to places like that? I don't I no longer want something that can happen to me. I want something that could be. Exactly. Maybe, maybe that's, why Toxic Avenger is the hero we need right now. Hundred percent is, We need you, Toxie. We need you, that the, that new one was fun.
01;07;34;01 - 01;07;55;25
It was good. I wish I could say. Okay. The beyond. Yeah, we're talking about the beyond, you guys. Let's see it. Number six. Lisa sees Shrek hanging around in the bathroom. It's pivotal because it's kind of like the. It's her turning point, right? It's. She has seen a bunch of crap. Like, this is the one that's like, she's finally gone into room 36.
01;07;55;27 - 01;08;18;13
Yeah, she she sees that book on the table. I, I was on you, man. I'm on, I vibe on. They would say that's, that's a famous, famous, a fictional book, and they pronounce it I bond in the movie. I always thought it was like. But, it's, it's, it's didn't quite get the sales push that the Necronomicon got, but it's it's,
01;08;18;15 - 01;08;36;12
Oh, yeah, it's it's the real deal for if you're in the know, if you want to check that out, I think it's okay. Yeah. Okay, I think I just needed to overrated. Like, come on. This is a better marketing book of the dead. Get out of here. So I bonds with the real shits and shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01;08;36;15 - 01;08;59;12
Underrated. Classic. But yeah, she goes into room 36, she opens the door to the bathroom of of the room, and she sees Schweich hanging in there, and he's all gross and melty. And I love the I love the use of lightning in this movie, which like a lot of times you'll see the lightning and like, it's not storming outside, but oh no, it's this is inside lightning.
01;08;59;13 - 01;09;20;29
This is inside like it's a lot of interior lightning. But again, it's just that, that style. And it makes it, you know, it gives you that gothic kind of feel where you're like in the haunted house, and it's really cool. I like it. And there is that idea of like, oh, the doors open. Like whatever happens, like the end, like a bad ending is inevitable at this point.
01;09;21;04 - 01;09;41;22
And you start to like, the movie kind of throws at forces that down your throat to be like, it doesn't matter. Like, this is just going to get weirder. It's just going to get darker and you are not safe. So any hope you had of like selling this place, it doesn't matter anymore. And you're now just here to be fucked with and tortured until inevitably you're like end up in hell.
01;09;41;25 - 01;10;02;09
So it's my biography, is that. Yeah. Like the Erica miller story. Everything's becoming clear. You actually, you bring something up we were talking about before. Is this a surreal moment, or is it a monster gag? Because they alternatively say that room 36, which comes up so many times, is where Schweiger watch twice or whatever his name is, was killed.
01;10;02;09 - 01;10;18;22
Except that they actually they beat him up there, but they drug him to the basement and killed him there and then. Now he's, crucified or whatever, nailed to the wall of the bathroom. So this guy's all over the place. So I think that might be for you. I'm going to say this is one of the, surreal moments where he's ghostly and can be anywhere instead of.
01;10;18;22 - 01;10;40;02
They just forgot where they killed him and murdered him. I'm sure you on that angle. So you know how, like, Joe the the plumber ends up in the tub in that room? Yeah. Yeah. Somehow. Yeah. Schweich was like putting Joe's body in the tub, and he saw the door start to open, and he was like, oh, nothing to see here.
01;10;40;02 - 01;10;52;02
But it does appear it. Yeah, there was this guy. He was he was like, if I don't move, don't move and they won't notice you. Yeah.
01;10;52;04 - 01;11;14;16
Yeah. And then after this, she's like telling John, I don't like John. He's a he's a presumptuous bastard. Oh, this is his best. His best scene to this. The I don't care what you've seen in spite all the evidence. Yeah. Just crazy. Yeah, yeah. And he's. Yeah, he's gaslighting her. And then she's talking about Emily and he goes, I know everybody here, okay?
01;11;14;19 - 01;11;35;22
There's no other people in this house. There's nobody named Mary lives here. No, I'm with you. Because then they also kind of like, put him ahead of lies at the end of the movie as sort of like the quote unquote hero. He's got the gun. Yeah. And he's playing, you know, and it's like you two seconds ago, you were like, telling her to fuck off, and now, yeah, yeah, she should have the guy let her have, like, the release.
01;11;35;22 - 01;11;55;09
Well, yeah, she probably shoot them in the head, like shooting and shooting them in the guts 12 times before you fucking Jesus. And then all of a sudden is Gun Reloaded. I don't know, I don't know. Oh, yeah, I don't bullets. I do have to say that I worked in Louisiana a lot and love it down there and so many great people, but, that what you're saying, that's a real thing.
01;11;55;09 - 01;12;14;25
I'll give a shout out to my friend Julie Bordelon, who knows everyone and everyone knows her in the region. So it's kind of hilarious. So I kind of look at that. That. Yeah. Oh, he knows everybody because they literally do. It's like that's like 44 towns over. She knows somebody or they know her like, you know, every person.
01;12;14;25 - 01;12;35;20
So but yeah but and he is the he is the doctor in the station wagon. So it's like kind of like a, a small town kind of thing, you know, like I'm thinking like arachnophobia with Jeff Daniels where he like. Right. He's the town doctor is like the Lincoln Lawyer. So he knows better. And, wait, is this a Lincoln Lawyer spinoff?
01;12;35;23 - 01;13;01;21
No, we're not doing it. Well or we're not going down. No, we're not. You know, I go down that road, you know, where I go down. We're not going to go down that road. Instead, we're going to jump to, let's jump to our seventh reveal. The the really cool spider gag. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. We've talked, you know, we won't spend too much time on it because we have talked about it quite a bit with the spiders and eating his face.
01;13;01;21 - 01;13;22;12
And, it's just a fun, fun thing. Like, where do the spiders come from? I don't know, but, they sure do a number on his face. And the guy is like, let me lock the door for you so you can have some privacy. It's like, I'm going, okay, I always take a two hour lunch. Like a I don't need privacy.
01;13;22;15 - 01;13;39;26
I'm just like an a building code player. Okay? Some people get really get really nervous. You, you know, like, I saw the way you're looking at those books. Let me lock the door for you. And I wonder, I wonder if that's based in reality. Like, if architects are really or, you know, engineer, they're looking it up and. Oh, my God, that's like a code has changed.
01;13;39;29 - 01;14;00;24
And yeah, yeah. Based on our. But like, you know, they do show the book later and the, the, the drawings like, disappear, right? Yeah. They like fade out and then the room, it changes to different layouts until it's all gone. Which was kind of cool. That's, that's kind of a fault of whoever's in charge of the beyond or the hell or whatever.
01;14;00;24 - 01;14;18;20
It's like if you're trying to hide the fact that it's a seven doors to hell, like, oh, shit, I left it in the architectural plan. I got to erase that. Right? So he's gonna kill this guy. And later, you know, there's a whole mission impossible scene of the devil breaking in, trying to take. Oh, that's so far from the from the code.
01;14;18;22 - 01;14;41;01
Well, maybe that's what maybe the tarantulas are like. These spawns of Satan, and they go in and they're like the cleanup crew. It's like, oh, shit. Yeah, I forgot about the architect. Right? And he's gonna, of course, want to read the book. Quit sending the tarantulas back to take out the architect. And then by removing him, they can, since no one else knows these plans exist, they can, you know, supernaturally remove the text.
01;14;41;03 - 01;15;05;19
That's fun, I like that. Again, I know we are just giving this movie spinoffs and prequels, sequels and where we're going, there's some serious, full chief fan out there that wants us to go to hell right now. That's right. Exactly. To the basement. Let's do it. But I think, I think if he was alive today, he would be, he'd be, grateful that we're giving him, like, another trilogy.
01;15;05;19 - 01;15;22;02
Let's do it. He's like, I'm game. Our eighth reveal. We're not going to spend a whole lot of time on, because we have talked about it quite a bit, is when Martha meets Joe. In the tub, he comes out of the tub, and, you know, how do you get there? Shrek. Bushwick. Put him there, remember?
01;15;22;02 - 01;15;42;17
And then he hit. Then he was hiding, then he hid. Yeah, I know, but she. I can't believe she put her hand in that water. Yeah, she just very carefully roll up her sleeve, though, so give her. Okay. You know, And that was the hand ball from hell right there. That's that's a monster in itself. It's gross.
01;15;42;19 - 01;16;08;19
Yeah. Just, And we do get the great, great gag where he puts her on the spike, and, but, yeah, it goes through her eye and I comes out, and so it's so fun. In our ninth reveal, Emily and her dog Dicky are confronted by the zombies in the like, living room somewhere in the house. Dicky attacks the zombies, but not before getting bit.
01;16;08;19 - 01;16;32;18
I guess he's got, like, a wound on his head. And then, he just ether again. No. Yeah. We're not afforded any like, release in the in these totals where deal like buying like because it is satisfying. It's like yeah Dicky go kick those zombies his ass. Yeah. But right before this scene. That's fair. Yeah. To be honest, that's all I care about.
01;16;32;21 - 01;16;51;07
And I would like to point out whoever trained Dicky is amazing, because what a perfect defense to all of the all the monsters and zombies are there. And he literally ignores them until she says attack. And then he, like, yeah. Is it? Yeah, I know took took my Labrador good boy training even though he does never work thing like that.
01;16;51;07 - 01;17;10;04
Rip her neck out. Yeah. And I was gonna say back back to the next level. Just when you think, you know, the average ordinary filmmaker would stop, it's like this, you know, there's monsters in the dogs attacking, and the scene is going great. And then, spoiler alert, the dicky attacks Emily, and then that rips her throat out, but.
01;17;10;04 - 01;17;31;24
Oh, but wait, there's more. Now I get to rip your ear off. Yeah, like, I'll just add this. Just a little flavor. Just keep going. It's like, I love that because again, it's it's just it's unrelenting in the best way. And the effects are great. It's unexpected that it just keeps going. That's yeah I don't I don't think I don't know of anybody other than poultry that just keeps doing that.
01;17;31;24 - 01;17;49;21
Just. Yeah, I love it so much. That's not enough. Let's also then we'll eat the year like, wow. And Emily is not innocent in this, you know, like she does kind of imply, even though she is sort of trying to she seems to be helping. She says to them, like, I did what I was asked to do, like, can't I get this pass?
01;17;49;21 - 01;18;14;07
I don't want to go back. So she in a way kind of like it seems like it's established that she kind of sold her soul, for lack of a better term, to the devil, to hell to get out of hell. But, you know, but then obviously we're kind of being told the rules of hell they don't care, you know, like we're going to use you for however we want and you are going to just do as we say because there is that scene.
01;18;14;07 - 01;18;35;05
I just wanted to establish the scene before. This is when John finds the book, Iban or Iban and it says, or maybe it doesn't say it, but the oh, that the voiceover says on the day the gates to hell are open, the dead will walk the earth. So you've kind of also established the rules of the movie here that, like, that's just where we are now.
01;18;35;05 - 01;18;56;27
This is, you know, not quite a zombie movie, but it's kind of it's it has a foot in us in like the realm of zombie. Right? Right. Our 10th reveal, our 10th official monster reveal. We're getting there. It's kind of a quick one. Lisa is in the basement. She's attacked by Arthur, who comes out of the water.
01;18;57;00 - 01;19;16;14
Arthur was. We haven't talked about him yet. He is, He was one of the people that worked in the hotel, and he was, for some reason, Eliza had it out for Arthur from the beginning. She was just, like, mean to him for some reason. I don't know why, but, he attacks her in the basement, and it's kind of a quick scene.
01;19;16;17 - 01;19;34;17
She kind of fights him off. I can't remember if she kills him. How does she get away? To be honest, it's funny you ask that, because normally I like extensive notes. I just wrote lies. Sees Arthur's corpse. Yeah. Okay. Maybe. Maybe it's just. Let's all just shrug it off and. Yeah, yeah. And that you mentioned it, too.
01;19;34;17 - 01;19;51;12
That's kind of, kind of a sour note that like. Oh, he's like, obviously he's he's portrayed as not being very smart and, you know, southern guy, whatever, whatever stereotype. But, you know, Little Miss New York inherits the thing and then treats the guy who talks slow like he's stupid, like, oh, well then go to hell. Literally. Right?
01;19;51;14 - 01;20;07;21
It literally. Yeah. That's that's actually her. Only that was the only false note for that character. For me, it's like a little condescending to and I think, isn't that, Martha's son, am I is that in the movie or am I just imagining that or something? I don't, I don't know. I don't, I don't and son.
01;20;07;21 - 01;20;34;04
No, I'm just, I think I think, he Arthur is, Joe and Martha's illegitimate son, but Mary. And. Oh, and there's a whole backstory in here. Yeah. The beyond for the beyond two. Yeah. The prequel Arthur is like the male name for Martha as well, so. Oh yeah. There's like, a familial like kind of connection there.
01;20;34;06 - 01;20;53;15
And they do like when we see Arthur at the beginning, towards the beginning of the movie, he says he's looking for a key. And we've talked about Schweich finding the key to the Schweiger. Schweiger? Oh. It's Schweiger. I thought it was Schweich. No, it's Schweich, is it Schweich? Yeah. I wondered why you kept saying Schweich.
01;20;53;18 - 01;21;12;11
You're just answer. Schweiger and I keep saying, I think. I think I keep saying Eliza instead of Liza. No. But he does say he was looking for a key brought up earlier. How all the names are to now. And now I can't. I'm flashing back to airplane with Stryker. Like.
01;21;12;13 - 01;21;30;14
All right. Just like, oh my God, guys. Oh, that's okay. Just me of all the movies to, like, be a little, like, thrown off with Kerry. Yeah. And plot. This is the one. And I didn't make the note, by the way. Same. Same one you did, Danny. She runs. That's how she gets away from Arthur. Oh. She writes.
01;21;30;14 - 01;21;58;14
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Very quick. Oh, shit. There's Arthur. I'm getting out of here. Yeah. At this point, she's seen so much, he's like, I'm not dealing with this. So our 11th and 12th monster reveals kind of happen together. We are in the morgue, and then the hospital with Liza and John, and the patients are all kind of rising up, and, you know, there's zombies everywhere now, and they're they're trying to get away.
01;21;58;14 - 01;22;18;03
And John is shooting them just haphazardly. Doesn't really have a well and that's the problem is that he shoots some of them in the head and realizes, yeah, that's where he should be shooting them, and then continues to shoot them in the gun. Yeah. Then he goes back, oh yeah, this works. Then he goes back. That's why we're talking about like the sandwich trope or whatever.
01;22;18;03 - 01;22;36;00
Oh my God. That's the yeah, that's one of my most hated things in any movie like that's been brought up so many times. But have you never seen a zombie movie at this point? You shoot in your head like, oh, even if you have it, it's like you kind of like put it together. You're like, okay, they're kind of like brainstorming things off.
01;22;36;00 - 01;22;51;22
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like I don't think I'm going to take them out with like a shot to the gut. Like clearly, yeah, I'm going to do it and I do, I do love the fact, and it's just that the doctor just happens to be carrying a revolver. That's just great. No word. But like, you shoot me endlessly.
01;22;51;22 - 01;23;10;16
Endless reloading. I'm like, okay, I don't see, but it's it's like, okay, now we're beyond surrealism now. No, it's like, stop it. He's got his one pocket of syringes, and if those don't work, he's got his gun. He's got his. Yeah. It's like I, I'm going to take care of this patient one way or another. It's kind of like the patients are like Old Yeller.
01;23;10;22 - 01;23;35;20
Oh, we got to take Timmy out behind the barn. I'm sorry. Listen, I'm here to help. How that how you define help is. It's up. It's up in the air first. First. Do a lot of harm. Yeah. Sorry. Is there a scene in, the ice cream man that's similar to this or my Mr.. In terms of, like them, like the white hospital and like, zombie like people walking through it.
01;23;35;20 - 01;24;01;16
I feel like there's a flashback right when he's in. Yeah. Is that what. Yeah. Yeah, he's talking about like the hospital that he was in when they treated him. And then. Yeah, definitely zombie like people in it. Well they were patients but they were, they had been given like yeah, yeah. Shit. Yeah. All right. And both kind of have that because especially with like from what I remember, it's kind of has that kind of dreamy quality to like a little outside of reality.
01;24;01;18 - 01;24;22;10
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Subtle. And then our 12th reveal that kind of like I said, blends into this. In the middle of this, Jill, Marianne and Joe's daughter attacks Lisa and they blow her head off. And it's a great, great effect when her head explodes, it's like it's just like half of it. Yeah. That's a great pop. Like,
01;24;22;12 - 01;24;47;15
Well, that was fun. Yeah, yeah. And a completely fictional way. Yeah, yeah, we just want to see what that. Great. Yeah. Now, that's that's one of those. Yeah. Because there's so many times that just doesn't work. And it's it's. Yeah. Especially with there's some great little, you know, great shots and that whole sequence loading or unloading or not, but, and a couple that are obviously just wads of bloody tissue on the forehead.
01;24;47;15 - 01;25;07;22
But then that's a real effect like wow. Yeah. So the whole scene. So and again I'm sorry Jill for Jill I know we're Jill are I see Jill. Well she's just an orphan so celebrated. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. She's just an orphan. Like she has since become expendable. According to this movie, in the characters around in her life.
01;25;07;24 - 01;25;23;25
Yeah. And she doesn't even get a great kill moment. She just kind of does some dumb thing, and then they're like a jumpscare. Was. I was waiting for 20 minutes to throw it out, and then I just get shot. Damn it. I know it's funny. She's like, okay, Jill, this is your chance. This is your chance. This is your chance.
01;25;23;27 - 01;25;45;01
Though she's still in terms of the story's narrative and like the way we've been kind of like meeting these characters, they could have done that to John because he kind of was sort of like, this is Emily's movie. Like, if you're going to have like that one last, like respect a person's throat, let it be Jill and John and just like, have that moment and then Liza could blow or I guess John could too.
01;25;45;06 - 01;26;08;01
Yeah. Kind of get, you know, have your cake and eat it too. But. Right. I still love you. The beyond. And, Yeah. So they're in the hospital, they go into a door to get away, and they're down in the basement, which is kind of cool because, like, they're already in hell, right? Yeah. And so you kind of mentioned they're driving through the streets and like, there's no one here where they get to the hospital.
01;26;08;02 - 01;26;28;27
There's no hospital. Yeah. Yeah. So this is kind of just like it's all the rules are out the window at this point. And they go down into the basement and they're like, what the fuck are we? What are we doing down here? And they they actually enter through the gate. And, in our 13th and final reveal, Liza and Doctor John are in hell.
01;26;28;29 - 01;26;57;13
Which is this, this painting that Schweich was doing? It's like, all the like. Like, what's the word? I'm not petrified. Not petrified. What's the word? Future fed. Petrified. Works like they're all. It depends. Or are they sort a melting or crunching would be hard. Petrified would be soft. The first sided heart. They're all, like, petrified. Yeah, well, it's it's just the hellish landscape of nothingness.
01;26;57;13 - 01;27;19;29
And there are bodies lay around, but it's, it's instead of being, And I like that they went in a different direction instead of, you know, the chief. There's flames, or there's Pinhead and Hellraiser. No, it's just this big nothingness, emptiness of of tents. And it's like windy and. Yeah, I used to be very religious, and, I was told that hell was just a big, empty nothing.
01;27;20;05 - 01;27;39;20
It's the. That's actually, it's the absence of grace. And that's. Yeah, that's that's actually the real interpretation. Somehow all the flames and demons crept in over the years. Thank you, Dante and so many. Yeah. The medieval artists who make it a lot more cool. But, yeah, it's that absence of anything and and also the scene before they get down there.
01;27;39;20 - 01;28;00;24
That's actually a great trick. Very, very good editing. Remote reminiscent of, silence of the lambs, that great editing sequence and knocking on the door. And you think it's she's at the house to say, oh, yeah. What's her name? Of the basement? You're in a different place. But so two things. So when they're they're in the hospital and they run the door to escape the zombies, and suddenly they're in the basement of the house and like, oh, you're screwed.
01;28;00;24 - 01;28;24;19
That's a that's a great moment. But it's also this is kind of the first time that our friend, Stryker is actually an active villain. He goes all the way to the end where, yes, he's been creeping around and, you know, looming and doing all kinds of nerdy things, but he's suddenly there and he's kind of the mastermind, which, again, is sort of making a lot of sense since he was kind of the guy that was protecting people from hell.
01;28;24;20 - 01;28;46;24
But he's, you know, he's gone to the other side. He took he went to the dark side, but he's actually murdered him. See how he shows he's no longer just passively laying there on the on the gurney being creepy. He's actively hurting them down into hell. So there's a lot of a lot of good stuff going on. And some ways that the ending is kind of, you know, some people would say that I just kind of ended with a whimper.
01;28;46;24 - 01;29;04;06
No, it really didn't tie everything together. And I created again that it's existential way. Not as good as, that, what the f at the back of at the end of cemetery, man. But still, to like different film and you're like, we're in existential hell and it. And then how else would you end it? You know, I mean.
01;29;04;13 - 01;29;19;10
Yeah. Exactly. Right. It's it's sort of like the, you know, set ups and pay offs, check ups. The painting is like the Chekhov's gun of this movie. It's like, if you're going to have this painting like it's got to pay off somehow. We're not quite sure what. Oh, we're going to be kind of in the painting but yeah, movie.
01;29;19;10 - 01;29;43;26
So we've transcended reality. And and there is the, there is the more modern, ending where they're being chased and she, Emily? Eliza turns around and shoves the doctor into, Schweitzer's arch striker's arms. It's like basically take him and runs away like gaslighting me. Yeah, yeah. And she gets was. It was real talk. It was real asshole.
01;29;43;26 - 01;30;15;13
Thanks for letting me know. You're going to hell. And I'm gonna. I'm going to go get vignettes. Hell, yeah. I don't know how much truth there is to it. I'm assuming it's true because I again, this is I'm going to refer back to Joe Bob Briggs again. He had mentioned that there was an original idea for the ending of what hell was supposed to look like, and they were going to use an abandoned amusement park ride or an abandoned amusement park, and that you would see these dead people like riding in the rides forever, and they just couldn't make it work.
01;30;15;13 - 01;30;46;28
So they were like, well, let's go the opposite way, which I think works because, you know, you think of like Dante's Inferno. Obviously that's referring to hell. This might be a stretch, but like the Italian word for winter is in verno, which I always kind of like kind of maybe drew this like winter fucking snow and inferno. So like, hell, not being this fiery hellscape, it actually this desolate, this world of desolation and emptiness and and, you know, winter being like the death of nature temporarily.
01;30;46;28 - 01;31;04;00
Right. So I actually think it does work to your point. Like, I feel like it's more effective. Yeah, I think I think that was from what I read, either the location wasn't available, it didn't work. But, that that's very real. And to me, that would be one of the circles of hell is standing in line at an amusement park.
01;31;04;02 - 01;31;28;12
The attraction. And you've been there for an eternity and, like. Oh, and and the sign comes up 20 minutes more. It said five minutes before you're going backwards. So. Yeah. But, yeah. Okay, we end on this, this great visual of of Doctor John and Liza with the eyes. They've they've been given their eyes for their eternity in hell.
01;31;28;14 - 01;31;50;15
And, very cool, very cool ending. Very cool movie. That's the beyond. Lucio, 40 part of the Gates to Hell quote unquote trilogy. Yeah. Oh, all all fun aside, that's it's, I think he's his my whole cheese. My favorite of the of all the Italian directors and one of my favorite sure directors. And he does manage to mix.
01;31;50;15 - 01;32;09;17
Yes, there's the surrealism and the visuals mixed with the insane amount of gore. But there does seem to be. And this film's a little bit more of a story and characters and things and all those weird, you know, cultural translations aside, they kind of they work and they they seem very realistic, like we said, one degree off and yeah, that's I so I've always enjoyed them a lot.
01;32;09;17 - 01;32;27;10
And this has been a good excuse to rewatch a bunch of them too. And then I think they've influenced so many, so many filmmakers, through the years. And even though we were having to I don't remember seeing this in the theater, I doubt if the small town I lived in, showed this. It was showing some garbage.
01;32;27;13 - 01;32;41;19
Rom com or something from a studio, but it absolutely on VHS and discovering it and now on streaming. So it's great that the people get to see this. And I believe it was on, to be or whatever the other night. It's I think there's a whole run. There's 6 or 8 of his films on there, so.
01;32;41;19 - 01;33;01;08
Oh that's awesome. Oh yeah. Yeah. Who is the shit? And I do have to say to, I'm not being compensated this for in any way, but if you're ever in New Orleans, Louisiana, the heart of the beyond, and you want to go into a basement and and lose track of time, go to the dungeon. One of the greatest bars ever, which is actually the, the underground and heavy metal.
01;33;01;09 - 01;33;21;26
It's one of those places where, suddenly you go in and it's days or weeks later and you're like, where am I? The, the dungeon. The dungeon. Yes, I'm sure I got to be like, yeah, yeah. Very cool. All right, well, now it's time to pick our favorite reveals in the Beyond.
01;33;21;28 - 01;33;42;01
Okay, so here we go. I'm going to do a speed round recap of just our 13 monster reveals for this movie. And then we're going to pick our favorites number one, we've got, Emily's white eyes that scare the painter off the scaffolding. Number two, we've got the hand that pops out and pulls out Joe's eyeball and melts his face.
01;33;42;04 - 01;34;15;18
Number three. Emily on the causeway on the big bridge into Louisiana. We've got number four is Marianne. And Jill in the morgue with the corpses. Five is Emily touching the painting? And, her hands start to bleed. Six Lisa and, Shrek are hanging out in the bathroom. Seven the spiders. Eight is, Martha. Martha. Eight is the like I told you, Arthur and Martha's father.
01;34;15;21 - 01;34;45;19
Number eight is Martha meets Joe in the bathtub. Ten is, Lil Dicky, it's Emily. Space. Lil Dicky. Corrected himself. Right. Ten. We get Arthur, in the basement. Who attacks Liza? 11 is the patient's slash zombies in the in the hospital. 12 is Jill attacking Liza, and 13 is Liza and Doctor John in hell for eternity?
01;34;45;22 - 01;35;10;00
Danny, since this was your movie for our international execrable feature, let's start with you. What is your favorite reveal in the beyond? This is tough. Usually I'm very organized with these and I'll have an answer and kind of a reason. This one I have. I'm still on the fence, so I'm just, like I keep saying when I go with my gut, but then my gut like turns and then I have another option.
01;35;10;03 - 01;35;38;18
I think I'm between like, I want to go with something profound like the ending, which is I think all of these are great picks, but then I find myself between like, what is my mind going toward kind of just subconsciously or unconsciously? And it's, it's, it's Martha with the bathtub because you have that great eye gag. And then you have the, the architect scene with the tarantulas because it's just so crazy.
01;35;38;18 - 01;35;59;26
Yeah. Just messes with it like breaks your brain a little bit. But it's also really effective. I'm going to go just for like I'm going to. All right. What grossed me out more even though that's there's nothing to do with that. The best reveal is I'm just going to use it as my metric, and I'm going to go with Martha getting, her eyeball pierced by her.
01;35;59;28 - 01;36;06;03
Pierced in? Yeah. That's a new person. Yeah.
01;36;06;05 - 01;36;30;05
I yeah, that's good, that's good. It's just. It's just so memorable. It's gross without, you know, like, we always talk on the show. We kind of all fit on a spectrum. Casey is far, like the dark end of the spectrum. You know, you love your gore and your your, just, dark endings. Yeah. Zach, you're a little bit more in the middle.
01;36;30;05 - 01;36;54;29
I'm the softy, technically, but there's a thing about this movie of why I love it so much, despite it being so grotesque, and I think it's because it finds that nice balance of it's not quite, as realistic looking as a movie like Terrifier, where you are watching these gory scenes happen and it is like, oh my God, I feel like I'm witnessing this happening for real.
01;36;55;02 - 01;37;18;00
This is just enough. And maybe it is just like the era that it was made in. The effects are just enough, like off outside of reality that I can have fun with it. Sure. So for that reason, for the memorability factor, just for the look of everything, and in that iconic, memorable of that moment of the eyeball, I'm going to I'm going to choose this one.
01;37;18;02 - 01;37;39;18
Okay. Yeah. No, that's that's a it's a great pick. Eric, what is your favorite reveal in the beyond? Okay. I gotta go with, the 800 mile bridge over the lake. Just because it's it it's so visually amazing and all driving down the middle and road aside that and all the technical stuff to achieve it.
01;37;39;21 - 01;37;57;22
It's so different than the rest of the movie. It's it's not in the basement. It's not the the hospital. It's not. It's not the hotel. Anything. You're suddenly in this big, giant, weird environment which when you're out there for real, but also the way they filmed it, it was looks like kind of an overcast day. You're kind of in the void, like at the end of the.
01;37;57;23 - 01;38;16;27
Yeah, you're in nowhere. And and the reality is, who doesn't want to be driving down an endless bridge into a partnership with, cool dog that turns out to maybe be a ghost that's, drank you to hell. I mean, that's like. Yes, everybody's dream, but for legit filming reasons, it's a great it's it's just a great kind of.
01;38;16;27 - 01;38;31;26
It's a break. It's a visual break in the film. It's so visual and different and and just like, hey, we're here, let's use something. Let's not just go there, for it to say we shot at New Orleans or get a rebate or whatever, it's like, let's use something that's there. That's part of it and real. I think that's why.
01;38;31;29 - 01;38;52;13
And and the and the distance. Yeah. Yeah. No. That's awesome. Yeah. Casey, I am going to bring up, Detroit Rock city for a minute. And, because we love to talk about this movie, we've been watch we used to watch it. He refuses to watch it for school. Now it's like a principal thing. So I can't watch it because the bit must go on.
01;38;52;17 - 01;39;09;14
So that's. And I love it. They see the girl walking down the highway and they're like, yeah, there's a there's a girl walking down the side of the highway. They make scary movies that are not like that many. But then the other guy goes, yeah, yeah, but they make porno movies that start out like a two man.
01;39;09;16 - 01;39;29;13
Oh man. I love that movie so much. You're both so say rock and roll, but you're breathless. Pepperoni baby. That's what she says when she gets in the car. Yeah. Anyway, Casey, what's, what's your favorite reveal in the beyond? So my hair reveal is the spider one because I like them spiders and I. Well, for several reasons.
01;39;29;13 - 01;39;48;29
So I like spiders, and I like tarantulas, and I think they're super cute. And, it was also really gross. And I watched it with my partner, and he could not watch that scene. And so it made me, like, even more, okay. Yeah, Griffin has a really hard time, and he just he winces at, like, everything and, everything.
01;39;48;29 - 01;40;12;13
But like, he shut his eyes during this spider scene, and it was. That's fun. Well, that's, you know, to that point, it's it's, if you, if there's a movie that you don't, fully enjoy, really like watching by yourself. And this isn't to say this isn't the same scenario that that you had, but, it it brought this idea in my head, like, if there's a movie when you don't, you might not like it so much on your own.
01;40;12;13 - 01;40;28;20
But if you watch it with a group of people and there's like a, a group thing going on where it's like some people are wincing, some people are laughing, it can make you like a movie more and you're just on your own just being in that environment, which is it's like you're in on a secret and you know, the secret is coming in.
01;40;28;20 - 01;40;59;28
You're about to reveal to the secret and you're like, okay, there's a new flavor to this movie that I'm really embracing. No, the spider scene is great. And, I'm picking one that comes to mind when I think about this movie when someone says the beyond this is the thing that pops in my head and it's the it's the final scene with John and Liza in hell, in the painting with their eyeballs are white and, I'm going to go with that just purely for, purely for visuals.
01;41;00;03 - 01;41;23;23
Just it's just a great, great scene. Can I give an honorable mention to someone? Absolutely. Have eyes up at all, which. Oh, totally. One of the rules is, the guy that runs the bookstore. Oh, yeah. What the, what the heck? I like the one really long hair coming out of the tip of is. So I didn't know I wanted to, like, one.
01;41;23;26 - 01;41;40;29
I mean, part of me, most of me wants to go to that bookstore. Oh. Yeah. I hope he's still working. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he's probably still literally is. We rewound that sequence of, like, what's happening I don't think is it's like, throws you off the book is it ends up not being the book. And then he's kind of like, seems like he's in on this bit.
01;41;40;29 - 01;42;03;14
But yeah, I like what, what? No one, no one. Is that store closed down? That guy was weird on scared everybody out of there. Yeah, yeah, I will mention definitely goes to the bookstore owner. That's great. All right, well, now it's time for a segment that we like to call the real monster.
01;42;03;16 - 01;42;25;11
Danny. Again, we'll go in the same order. This was your pick. What was your real monster for? The beyond real? I have a few. Okay. I have people who say it'll take as long as it takes, but when she asks Joe the Plumber, it's like, okay, that's fair. Sometimes that happens, but an estimate, like, give me some, like, ballpark.
01;42;25;12 - 01;42;41;01
It was so funny because in my notes I wrote down, I was like, fuck you. I'm so glad he answered her like that. She was like, how long is it going to take? And he's like, he's looking at this flooded basement. And he's like, I don't know. It's going to take as long as it takes. And I was like, yes, and that's your real monster.
01;42;41;01 - 01;43;01;06
We are so funny. It seems like some contractors had to leave and not come back for months at a time. Yeah, yeah. Like they never, never finish the job. Like what? Oh, I'm skipping a couple because we've kind of talked about it and we've rationalized them. I will say, Emily, for making Dickie fight the zombies and putting him in harm's way.
01;43;01;08 - 01;43;23;28
Okay, I would never. I mean, that was my darkest horse, though. Yeah, but if my dog was there, I would do it. Shelter him. You definitely have a different kind of dog. That's fair, I have. Yeah, I like beagle best. And you're also not blind. Oh, hey, points to, Emily for fully committing to the gag that she's a ghost.
01;43;24;00 - 01;43;45;26
Not really there, and probably not blind, but she's even got the seeing eye dog handle. Like. That's cool. Yeah, yeah, you don't really have to. You're not really there. You're not really blind, like. Wow. I also have John for, giving lies. A shit about not believing her. There's that scene where. And this is after the scene where he finds the book.
01;43;45;29 - 01;44;04;18
He draws the parallel between the symbols in the book and on Shrek's body, and then accuses her of leaving the book for him to read. He's like jumping through hoops to kind of make her feel stupid about these things that she's bringing up. Then it's like there's no way she's just making this stuff up. Also, why would she make it up?
01;44;04;21 - 01;44;23;02
And then a scene later, he's he sees the proof, just said, just a dick move guy. Like, don't do that. Yeah. Don't be John. He goes, yeah, don't be. He just goes so far where he's like, there a scene where he's like, listen, I'm a practical man. I want a practical answer. He's like, I want to call the FBI.
01;44;23;03 - 01;44;43;26
I want to call it like a job. You may be practical, but you're being very unreasonable right now. Yeah. So. So did you think that Joe, the plumbers eyes out in the basement, like, did that just happened because of a plumbing accident? Come on, John, wake up. Exactly. And then finally, I have one we talked about. It's just people who waste bullets in a zombie movie.
01;44;44;02 - 01;45;05;25
Yeah, yeah. Like, how have you not learned? That's it. That's all I have. We've we've said enough. Eric, do you have any real monsters for, the beyond? I think the real monster is the book. It's okay and overdone. Done in so many great ways. Like an Evil Dead with, you know, their version of the Necronomicon and all that.
01;45;05;25 - 01;45;28;13
And again, the Bible and I, I'm, forgetting my literature. I think that came from Clark Ashton Smith or one of the great, early horror writers. I'm not exactly sure where it came from, but, using that and putting it up front and making it this repertoire of knowledge that is ghostly, it's there. It's not there. The pages disappear and that somehow reading this, it opens the doors.
01;45;28;13 - 01;45;45;29
There's a knowledge of, as I'm a book guy, I love books, and there's just something about that. On the. So that to me is that's that's the the real monster in there. And you know, John being, you know, a typical male in so many ways. And that's just like the gaslighting thing was like, really dead. Come on.
01;45;46;02 - 01;46;02;27
But, I would like to say that you made me think of it. I it's not in this movie, but I'm surprised he didn't do it because it's another one of those tropes that not just shooting the zombies in the leg or whatever, and especially after you've learned 16 times that shooting in the head kills him, then the gun's empty.
01;46;02;29 - 01;46;28;23
You throw the gun. Yeah, yeah, the bullets gun works. I'm gonna I'm gonna throw the gun. I'm like, oh, could you just murder him right now? Like all those characters? Like, for me, that's the book of my body bond horror. You want to pronounce it. And because it's just so many great, great examples of that from Lovecraft, Evil Dead to all the great, you know, it's great that it's it's all about books, real evil.
01;46;28;23 - 01;46;59;29
So read more books, kids. All the true evil is in there just waiting for you. Discover books. I love that that should be on a t shirt if I go on that. Yeah. Okay. What do you got? So I do have John, you know, I hated him for many reasons that we've already talked about. And I feel like if he were the main character, more of the main character, I feel like if he had more time in this movie, I would hate him just as much as I hate Larry Talbot.
01;47;00;04 - 01;47;19;22
I was literally going to say, is this the new is this your new Larry Talbot? Not quite. Not quite, but I do hate him almost as much as I hate Larry Talbot. So funny. Yeah, because they can just go be pieces of shit together. And then also, Martha for putting her hands in that fucking bathtub.
01;47;19;24 - 01;47;44;09
I did have that. I actually skipped over that. I know, it's so disgusting. I don't I don't even wash dishes without gloves on because I don't like touching food. So, like, I'm not like, who would do that? Yeah, that's her. And you know, if she didn't die, her hands probably would stink for weeks. Like. Oh, yeah, like Eternal stench from labyrinth.
01;47;44;13 - 01;48;09;19
Yeah. Yes. The bathtub of Eternal Stench. Yeah. Like just like, put something down there to, like, wiggle the door or something before you say, like, she has the tools, you know, like, I mean, Joe, Joe the plumber was in the bathtub. Why didn't he fix it? You were right there, Joe. You had literally one job, but, No, those are good.
01;48;09;22 - 01;48;31;29
Yeah, I've got, I've got John for. I wrote wasting Bullets on bellies because. Yeah, even after he bullets that they go in the head, he still shoots them in the belly. So anyway. So all right, universally fuck John Buck John. I've got, not so much just the bathwater, which was disgusting in itself. But I think Eric mentioned this earlier, the wad of hair that she pulls out.
01;48;32;02 - 01;49;05;09
So Chris. So drain hair is a real mom. She even has like a moment with they have like, like, no, just immediately drop, what's the, The Princess Bride, the hairball of enormous size. Oh yeah. Yeah. And then, my last real monster is inflation. At the. Why what did we see the cost of well, we didn't like at the beginning the, the guy when we first introduced her in the hotel, in, in present time and, the guy who gets his face eaten by spiders.
01;49;05;09 - 01;49;25;11
I don't know what role he plays in the movie. But he's in there talking to her, and he says that inflation is almost at double digits, double digit inflation. And I was like, Holy shit. Okay, so inflation is real is my real monster for nothing. It's more mockery. He's they are he's the architect or the building contractor or whatever.
01;49;25;12 - 01;49;36;22
Okay, okay. So now it's time for our last segment. Would you survive? Beautiful. Cheese. Want.
01;49;36;25 - 01;49;53;03
I don't think so, because the gates are already open. Right? I mean, I guess if you gave up the hotel and left, you could say, I think that I think that this. Yeah, this movie was, I think, a little bit too, like, I don't want to say convoluted, but it wasn't like there weren't enough specifics in there for me to know.
01;49;53;07 - 01;50;15;16
Yeah. You know how these people are the rule. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I, I'm not 100% sure. Okay. He's it depends. Okay. Just depends. Yeah. Okay. Danny. Eric, do you have any thoughts on if you would survive this or, are we all pretty much fucked? I think we're screwed unless we stay at the Holiday Inn Express instead.
01;50;15;16 - 01;50;30;28
And then. Yes. Yes. Then we're not only well rested and ready to deal with, the minions of hell, but, we're just simply not there now. And that's also the thing that's kind of that, overarching statement that we're already. We're all doom. We born, we die. There's nothing you're going to do to get out of this.
01;50;30;28 - 01;50;58;00
Yeah. So, yeah, it's a real uplifting ending, but that's. Yeah, it's funny, this movie kind of reminds. It gave me a vibe. We just watched recently, the movie Uzumaki. And there is that idea of death being, you know, a lot of people kind of frame death as like, it's an inevitability, like we're going to die it. But in these movies, it's like, it's like an assault on your life, you know, like, it's not a good thing to die, even though it's inevitable.
01;50;58;00 - 01;51;21;03
So death in itself is as scary as we may think of the , which makes it so horrifying because you literally can't escape it. Yeah. Yeah. There was a quote, I don't know if this was faulty, but I know it was something to do is surrounding the scene. It's the quote was were born for one reason to die and that was kind of the, the idea going into the movie.
01;51;21;06 - 01;51;39;25
And it is it's like you can look at death and life and all that as something pure. But this movie is not doing, nor did Hoosier Market do that. As for whether or not I would survive, normally I would say no, but I did stay at the Seven Doors hotel and all I got was this stupid survivor buff.
01;51;39;25 - 01;52;01;20
So, he did make it out and I have the proof, and I will. That's why I wore my survivor buff today. Because, I did make it out alive. Danny, you are a survivor. You are survivor. Wait. Has that movie been made yet? It has to. Survivor meets beyond. Yeah, yeah. What is it, survivor like? You're a big fan of it.
01;52;01;20 - 01;52;21;12
I don't know much about it, but it's been going for, like what, like 50 seasons or something? Yeah, we're literally on season 49. Just started. Wow. Like, why don't they need to do like a Halloween, the Halloween supernatural themed season where it's like you're, well, every now and then they'll do they don't do theme themes anymore, but they do kind of like esthetic themes in the production design.
01;52;21;18 - 01;52;40;02
And sometimes they kind of dip their toes into something a little creepy. Like, this season is like shipped, you know, shipwrecks. And oh, so you get this. It almost looks like a horror movie. So if you like, when they're on Tribal Council. But yeah, going all in, like a Halloween special. Oh, I used to. I used to watch it a lot and really enjoyed it.
01;52;40;02 - 01;53;06;26
But along with, monster rules or whatever, if you're going to survive something like this, first off, shoot the zombies in the head and second off, check the fuel gauge on the taxi before you get in it and take off. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, my. Or if you can't drive a clutch, You're dead. So learn how to drive a car before you go on survivor, and then you'll get through the zombie hell, or have a better chance of surviving hell, guys, we're pitching so many good ideas.
01;53;06;26 - 01;53;29;02
That's a new show like survivor meets a horror movie. Like, really? Like, put yourself. Like, what was the show on MTV fear where they have the camera. Oh yeah. Like. Yeah. So survivor meets fear. There's something there. Well we'll figure it out. All right. Well you guys that's the beyond that is our. Not only is that the beyond that is our international triple feature.
01;53;29;04 - 01;53;48;05
It's over. It's time to start a new triple feature. We're back in the States. We're back in the States. This was a pretty heavy triple feature. Like it was dark. It was gross. It was just it was just heavy. So our next one coming up, it's going to be a little bit lighter. Do we have a name for it?
01;53;48;05 - 01;54;06;02
I don't remember if we do this is my triple feature pick. It's called in. Claire, we are monsters. Oh, that's about in the third. We are Monsters, which is, of course, taking from a quote that I've just heard, and I don't know what it is, or it's in it is the laser beam. Yeah. Oh. Is it later.
01;54;06;05 - 01;54;29;12
Yeah, yeah. The club. We in Broad City. Yeah. So yeah. Since this triple feature is all about like a club mentality, like a group idea of, like, characters in a group, somehow my brain took in the club, too. Yeah, I just, I somehow it's good. I just had to make it make sense. It's no no justification needed any laugh.
01;54;29;14 - 01;54;57;14
It's good. Thank you. But we're going to kick off this next, three episodes with Dream Warriors, nightmare on Elm Street three. So I'm warriors. We've covered Freddy Krueger early on in the show, back on like episode years ago for, and, now in episode 142, we're going to be, doing Dream Warriors specifically. So, yeah, that'll be that'll be fun.
01;54;57;17 - 01;55;19;21
Casey, what's, what are we following that up with? Oh, the frighteners. The frighteners? Yeah, we, I will say Percy Jackson. Peter Jackson. No, it is not Percy Jackson. Peter Jackson. Yeah. So I, loved this movie when I was a kid, and I had a huge crush on Michael J. Fox. Oh, yeah, and I haven't seen it since then.
01;55;19;23 - 01;55;37;15
Okay, so I've seen a whole. It's a great movie. Awesome. Yeah. Awesome. And then, Danny, what are we rounding out? That triple feature with? Well, it wouldn't be a monster club without the monster Squad, so we are going to be wrapping it up with the Monster Squad for an awesome, great album. I think that's my gateway.
01;55;37;15 - 01;55;58;17
That's like the first real horror movie I saw as a kid. Okay, I owe a lot. Interesting. Yeah. Why don't we do our Halloween episode first? Yeah, yeah. So before this triple feature kicks off, we are ranking all of the monsters we met over this past year. And if you know anything about how I met your monster, we don't have a traditional new year.
01;55;58;17 - 01;56;19;25
We have a freak score year. Yeah. Is that what you go to, Danny, a freak score? Yeah. We were talking about fiscal, and we. We couldn't call it fiscal. Oh, he did the horror version, so we said freak skull. So now it's a it's a deep dive. But yeah, this is our freak skull year. So so instead of ending the year on December 31st, we end the year on Halloween, October 31st.
01;56;19;25 - 01;56;36;12
So we are going to rank all of our monsters we've met since last Halloween. It's a fun bonus episode. So my favorite. They're so fun. Yeah. If you haven't listened to our last ranking or even the previous one, they just get better with each year. I think, are we have a new system, this scoring system.
01;56;36;12 - 01;56;59;04
We keep refining it. And this is, So this will be fun. So maybe I'm excited for that. But. Yeah. Eric, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. This conversation, this was a lot of fun that I love being here. I appreciate it. And also, all joking aside, if people haven't seen the movie, it's nice to introduce people to films they may never have shown it.
01;56;59;04 - 01;57;20;04
And highly influential filmmakers. Oh yeah, you can't speak. And a lot of our listeners are people who, like, have kind of just started getting into horror. So a lot of them use or use the show to like, decide what to watch. Yeah, yeah. No, that's great. And there because there's so many there's so many great films that people I still pull some obscure, obscure ones out.
01;57;20;04 - 01;57;34;17
The people are like, I've never even heard of that. Never seen that. It's like, it's great and it's fun to introduce it. And to, you know, a lot of times they end up being the best because and maybe it has something to do with the unexpectedness of it, like, oh, this exists like what? This is so fun. That was my experience with The Beyond.
01;57;34;17 - 01;57;54;19
I was like, I had actually seen it for the first time this year and I was like, floored. I was so excited. Okay, I cannot wait until we can get an excuse to get this movie on the show. And it's Zack chose international horror movie and was like, boom, let's go, let's go! Yeah, kind of a horror in New Orleans, but OKC is just fine.
01;57;54;21 - 01;58;12;12
But yeah, this was so fun. Eric, where can our listeners, find your book? Is it out yet or has it been released yet? I've got a copy in my bedroom. Yes, it's been released. It's on Amazon and all the usual places. The the novel is whatever happened to Uncle Ed? Which is again, interesting and fun.
01;58;12;12 - 01;58;38;07
And a lot of people are loving it. I've got anthologies out that I did previously that I edited from Welcome to Hollywood, Welcome to Hollywood two, the imaginatively titled sequel, and also, big hit 18 wheels, a horror trucking world horror, and 18 Rules of Science Fiction. So those are all on Amazon. The anthologies are on audible, nook, Kobo, all the usual places, and you can find out more at Big Time books.com.
01;58;38;07 - 01;58;57;06
That's my, little small press website. Awesome. Yeah. So and we'll put, links to places where you can get your books. We'll put that in the, in the show notes of this episode. So our listeners can, can easily find them. And, if they want to follow you on social media, where can they find you? I am at I usually do Instagram.
01;58;57;06 - 01;59;17;09
I'm not a huge social media person. I've recently got back on Facebook for various reasons, but, at Raging Eric, that's my personal. And also there's big time books on there. I'm not super active on those, but, you can find my stupid posts on Raging Eric, and I think I'm the same thing on Facebook. So look for the one with a whole lot of a lot of horror, horror friends on there and stuff.
01;59;17;09 - 01;59;38;23
So I will try to make those posts fun and different and weird and all that, instead of just, here's what I had for breakfast. Yeah, actually, there's there's a lot of those because those are fun and weird, too, because it's a whole other interesting. Casey, what about you? Where can I listeners find you on social media? I am on Instagram at Wolf Mother Casey.
01;59;38;26 - 01;59;59;15
Danny. You can find me on Instagram, blue Sky and Letterboxd. At my name, Danny Slim. That's Danny Salemi. That's two names like the candy melt in your butt, not in your hands. I love it, I love it, and I actually do this when we have guests. Eric seems like a cool dude that I knew he was.
01;59;59;15 - 02;00;18;00
Yeah, I love it too. So I just let it, and I just let it out. I said it once, and now I have to say it every time. And now it's been, 140 times. Yeah. And you can find me on social media at Zach when sick, make sure to follow how I Met Your Monster on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, wherever you find your podcast.
02;00;18;00 - 02;00;37;09
We're there. And, yeah. Make sure to join us for our bonus episode, where we will be ranking all of our past year's monsters. And then, we'll go into our, we'll say it again, Danny, in the clear. We are in the clear. We are monsters. We are monsters. Yeah, whatever the name of that is, make sure to join us for that.
02;00;37;12 - 02;03;27;27
Thank you all for listening. Now go meet some monsters.