Dr. Hannibal Lecter and Buffalo Bill take FBI trainee Clarice Starling on a journey in THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS. Our "Hunger Pains" triple feature wraps up with the 1991 classic starring Anthony Hopkins, Jodie Foster, and Ted Levine. We'll discuss everything from real life serial killers and FBI profiling, to ASMR and the hidden connection between Anthony Hopkins and Barbie.
Dr. Hannibal Lecter and Buffalo Bill take FBI trainee Clarice Starling on a journey in THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS. Our "Hunger Pains" triple feature wraps up with the 1991 classic starring Anthony Hopkins, Jodie Foster, and Ted Levine. We'll discuss everything from real life serial killers and FBI profiling, to ASMR and the hidden connection between Anthony Hopkins and Barbie.
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How I met your monster. Yeah. I mean. Yeah, yeah. And today we are wrapping up our Hunger Pains triple feature. Yummy, yummy, yummy. I've got love in my tummy. You got the stuff in your tummy? No, I have human flesh in my tummy. Oh, What's your favorite human flesh to cook up for dinner? Probably none of it. I like that leg.
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Unknown
It's like a roast. It's like a big like at the park. Albert Fish roasted above the park. You know, like Disney has, like, the big turkey. The turkey leg. Oh, yeah. Like, we'll get those, like, at state fairs or like carnivals or something, but, like, they just have them at the park. Yeah, not like, like the park. Like the local park, but like the Disney park or the Universal Park.
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Unknown
A theme park. Yeah. I always remember. This is. My God, I didn't have a turkey leg until I was like, 25 years old or maybe older than that. But I always remembered when I was a kid, the Mortal Kombat movie came out and Kano had that big feast and he was sitting there and he was eating a disgusting turkey leg and he was dripping juice all over.
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Unknown
And I wanted nothing more than to eat that turkey leg. Yeah, take a few minutes. Throw it live a long time. Yeah. Down some grapes, splash some wine in your face. The life you suppose is very cool. Life of a king. The life of a king. But okay, so we ate the stuff, then we piled on some melted ice cream that may or may not have been made up of children and residents of the town.
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Unknown
And now we are topping it all off. We're having our savory dessert. Yes. In the form of human pieces. Yes. Which actually, well, are there savory desserts? No, I just I guess what, like salted caramel? That's not savory, though. It's still sweet. Fuck. Do you think Hannibal Lecter salted his food with, like, human tears? No. I mean, he's like an actual chef, So he probably uses really good salt.
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Unknown
That's fair. Oh, but he's like one to all human flesh dinner. Well, he's not an actual chef, but he likes fancy food, and he really likes cooking. Right? I haven't seen Hannibal. Yeah, I'm taking a take, I guess, in the series. He's very much. He's like a sophisticate just in general. So I feel like everything he does is very refined and, yes, scale.
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Unknown
So even when he's cooking, he's not going to, you know, chow down on some burger cake. Right? He's going to chowder. Speaking of, he'll chow down on a real king, but not at Burger King or he'll make a burger out of a king. The king? No, but if he had the opportunity, that's how he would. Okay, so we are talking The Silence of the Lambs.
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Unknown
Yeah. And we are meeting on the lamb. Hello, Carrie. I've got. This is. Yeah, that's right. We're talking Hannibal Lecter and Buffalo Bill two for the price of one. Yeah, Yeah. It's a twofer with two. Pretty good. Two pretty good monsters on very the friends of the the serial killer spectrum, I would say solid monster. And this is actually our second monster in recent memory that was played by Ted Levine.
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Unknown
Yes. Yes. Yeah. Rusty Nail from Joy. Right, Right. And Buffalo Bill. Yeah. I thought you were going to say it's our second monster who is inspired by Ed Gein, the real life also that well, I know he killed people and he would me like he's actually it's but it's actually our third he's actually our third based on it and Norman Bates and Leatherface in Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
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Unknown
He did not eat them okay you just the only the only actually killed two people, maybe three. Okay. I don't know if the killer's mother. No, he didn't know his mom died and then he did. He digger I don't remember if I don't think that he used his mom's body, but I don't remember for sure. I just remember that, like, in his house, her room was, like, off limits.
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Unknown
So he kept everything. And then, okay, he killed two women, possibly killed his brother. But they don't know about that. They don't know whether he did that or not. And then he was a grave robber. But yeah, he made all the he did make skin suits and stuff and he had like cereal bowls that were made out of people's craniums and stuff.
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Unknown
And now you can buy that stuff in the Hobby Lobby. There's this great podcast called Inside Psycho that basically delves into the making of Psycho. And before they actually get into like Alfred Hitchcock and even the book being written, there's a lot of emphasis on sort of the inspiration. So they go, they do like a deep dive into Atkins and, you know, his little psycho psychotic behavior.
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Unknown
Great. All right. So Buffalo Bill is also based off of a serial killer called Gary Hyde Neck. And it's still very like loosely based, like most things are. Yeah. So basically Gary Hyde Nick kidnaped, raped and tortured six women starting in 1986, keeping them prisoner in the basement of his Philadelphia home. And he had a pit that he put them into as well.
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Unknown
Okay. And he actually was a lot worse than Buffalo. Bill's like, Really? Yeah. Because he, like, really tortured them and raped them. And like, one of them died and he made the other girls eat her. Yeah. And like, what the his first victim actually was like. I don't necessarily know if it was a Stockholm situation, but Stockholm syndrome situation.
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Unknown
But she ended up like being, quote unquote, one of his accomplices. Like he would let her do things and she would help him get women to come back. And, you know, it's like, is that because she was just trying to do what she could do to save herself or. Yeah. So yeah. And you get to paranoid I hear these stories and then they go like, remind me.
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Unknown
No. Trust anyone? Yeah. Yeah. Still very slim, but you know. Yeah. And then, you know, I'm not necessarily sure. I don't think necessarily he was based off of Ted Bundy, but like, his tactic of getting Christine in the Oh is definitely a Ted Bundy thing. Ted Bundy furniture. But yeah he had the casts on his arms and you're like, yeah, don't help.
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Unknown
Just a word of caution and warning to everyone listening. If someone's hands arms are in focus and they're moving a couch in the middle of the night, they don't really need your help. Tell them to come back when their arms were healed. Yeah. I'll see you in the morning. Yeah. And Hannibal Lecter was actually inspired by a man named Alfredo Trevino, who was a surgeon doing doing prison time in Monterrey, Mexico, for murdering his gay partner.
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Unknown
Okay. Throat with a scalpel. So, Tom, Service actually went down to Mexico to meet with this other guy who was convicted of murdering three children. And while he was in the prison, he actually met this man, Alfredo Trevino, who they were actually referring to as Dr. Salazar. And he was having a conversation with him. And he thought that he was the doctor of the prison, but he wasn't.
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Unknown
He was actually a prisoner. And so he was very demure. Yeah, he was dressed really nice and fancy and he talked really fancy and he started asking him like psychological questions. And he didn't realize that he was a prisoner. And so he inspired Hannibal Lecter because of his personality, like his actual personality, not the stuff that he did, but just how he acted.
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Unknown
So that's pretty cool because I'm sure the guy is not a good guy. But no, but it is neat because most of the time, you know, like we were talking about with Buffalo Bills, they're just very loosely based off of like some really fucked up thing that somebody did. And this was like, he's like, Oh man, this is a really interesting take on, you know, because imagine if he wouldn't have met him and he talked to that guy who just killed those kids, We would have had a completely different character, right?
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Unknown
So he would have been Clarice talking to MiGs. Yeah. The guy who chose his own tongue or, you know, is so funny that, like, MiGs is such a I mean, not a big character, but he's got a name. Everybody just, like, knows who he is. Yeah. I'm like, You see him? Like, did you see him? He's got this hardness.
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Unknown
He's like the cum chucker. But like, but it's just like everyone's like, What did MiG say? These MiGs did this. All MiGs is dead. It's just like MiGs comes out of nowhere. And then he's like one of those. Everybody does is you never think of the movie and even remember him. But then when you're watching it, you're is so prevalent.
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Unknown
Right? Right. This is a perfect place for my impression of Clarice Starling. Oh, I would love to hear this. So much pressure. He said, I can smell your cunt. Is that crazy guy? Because he just says, My favorite line in the movie. I love that she says that, though, because I feel like he's egging her on to kind of be like, Wow, she seems so like innocent.
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Unknown
She probably doesn't even want to acknowledge that word. And she just comes right out and it's like, I'll fucking say it. Like, I don't give a shit like that. She did sound very nervous. She did? Yeah, but she still did it. And for that I give her a lot of credit. I'm just going to get my heart. Jake, Out of the way, please.
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Unknown
Right out the gate. I don't have a problem. Jodie Foster. I don't think that she's a bad actress. However, her voice is so distracting to me that I kind of just laugh when she Can I ask you a question? Have you ever seen the movie Hannibal? The sequel? Yeah, the sequel? No. So they re Jodie Foster would not come back for the sequel, so they recast Clarice with Julianne Moore.
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Unknown
So if you don't like Jodie Foster's voice in this movie, Hannibal has Julianne Moore doing Jodie Foster's voice from this movie. Oh, no, it's a trip. I love both of them. I think they're really stellar performances, but it's really hard to sort of, I don't know, not be totally aware of her doing that character. Yeah, you're just taken out of it because.
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Unknown
Yeah, like, just and so I honestly I haven't watched any other Jodie Foster movies in a really long time. She doesn't always have that accent. She like, no, I know she's always got the weird little like lisp which is the thing thing though like so panic room semi recently. Okay so that extra little twang that's added in there in this movie is another that's her.
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Unknown
Yeah that's her in combination with yeah in combination with her actual voice It just cracks me up because we're supposed to believe that she's from this area that would have looked like chicken and sheep farm, right? That, you know, she Yeah, I mean, she did grow up there, she was sent there. But yeah, but then I go, you know, when she's interviewing him he like calls it out, it says like call about her and she like melts.
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Unknown
What he's saying that you could see it just like on her face. She just wants to like which I mean, she does break down when she gets outside, but you just can see it on her face without spoiling it all. This movie, though, because I know we haven't even really, like kind of gotten into like the story part of it, but I mean, the title alone, the more you think about the title, The Silence of the Lambs, I spent a lot of time thinking about the title yesterday.
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Unknown
It's so like it's literally telling you like, this is about Clarice healing the scars or her past, right? On a journey that she would have never taken had she not been scarred in the first place by her father dying and her getting into the FBI and, you know, helping people, but also the audience and maybe her and Hannibal and everyone knowing that she's never really going to literally I mean, obviously, she's not going to silence the lambs or the screaming that she hears in her memories.
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Unknown
Right. But it's more it's less about silencing. It's more about like controlling yourself, like growing out of that. So then the title is even like wishful thinking in a sense that she knows she'll never get you'll never silence that that part of you. So it's it's very it's a really complex kind of direction to take this kind of story that could have been a lot more generic but still just as entertaining because the story itself is so fun and the characters are so compelling.
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Unknown
But then to add that ingredient and to lean so heavily into it, I think is I mean, there's a reason it won all the Oscars and people love it so much. It's one of those things subconsciously you take away from it. But when you're, you know, we're it obviously doing the podcast so you you think more on it and then you're like, Oh, that's great.
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Unknown
That's so amazing. That's so fun and clever. And I remember like the first time I saw this when I was a lot younger, I never understood, like, I didn't get it, The Silence of the Lambs. Like, I just like I missed something because when I was younger, I would just like watching it, just too well. I remember having like this this book behind me here, it's like the very best of Fangoria, like I grew up with that.
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Unknown
And there was a picture in of, of Anthony Hopkins when he's like looking up in the jail cell and he's got the blood all over. Yeah. And so, like, the first time I saw this movie, I just remember watching it just for the to see his because so it always kind of stuck with me like, why do they call It sounds like the frames, like whatever.
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Unknown
And then like, you just watch it and they just, like, tell you, Yeah, yeah. It's like there's like, so you think if you solve this case, you can silence the screaming of the lambs and you had those, Oh, I kind of miss that. But I think we all did. The first time I watched this whole movie at one time in its entirety, it was probably within like the last two years I've seen the whole thing in like parts, because when I watched it, I had remembered everything, you know, that happened.
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Unknown
But yeah, even yesterday, because I have only seen it fully at one time. One time yesterday when I was like, I wonder why they call it The Silence of the Lambs. And then what? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like right there. It's the So that's why like, Hannibal is so invested in Clarice in the first place is gray like that.
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Unknown
So I don't know. It's just, it's funny because, like, I totally agree and like, it's just one of those things that when you're watching it for, just like, it being this really like, oh, that scene where he has face and like, yeah, the client line and it's and it is it's like yes but it's kind of it's it's all the I'm not trying to like that's not like a negative thing, but that's like the surface level stuff.
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Unknown
It's like, yeah. Oh she is like, yeah. So that's a point. You're younger, that's just like, you know. Yeah. And also the, the stuff, the, what we're talking about is also kind of service this. So this is this explained. Yeah, I, I'm not sure why, but I watched Red Dragon a dozen times growing up. I like, I love Red Dragon.
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Unknown
Yeah but yeah I don't know. So the prequel to To Silence of the Lambs is Manhunter was which Red Dragon. Red Dragon also. Okay, so that is so, yeah. So Thomas Harris wrote four books that are in like the Hannibal Universe. There's Red Dragon, Silence of the Lambs, Hannibal and Hannibal Rising. So yeah, okay. They've all been adapted.
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Unknown
The only Red Dragon was adapted twice the first time bef right before Silence of the Lambs as Manhunter. Manhunter. Yeah. Okay. Well, in that case, I've got some information here on Hannibal Lecter, and I mean, there's tons of of information right here, but I wanted to ask you guys about this little segment which fully disgusted me. And it's not from Silence of the Lambs, it's from something else.
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Unknown
And I don't know what movie or book or what it says. Hannibal the Cannibal During the mid 1970s in America, Lecter continued his killing spree during this series of murders of which he was convicted. He killed at least nine people and attempted to kill three others. MASON Verger was one known survivor, having gone through psychiatric counseling with Lecter as part of a court order after being convicted of child molestation and for viciously raping his own sister, Margo, who also went to Lecter for counseling.
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Unknown
It's from Harker. This is from Hannibal. Verger invited Lecter to his home in Owings Mills one night after a session and showed Lecter two caged dogs that he intended to starve and turn against each other. Lecter offered VIRGA a recreational drug, but this was actually a cocktail of dangerous hallucinogenic drugs. He then suggested VIRGA, try cutting off his own face with a mirror shard.
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Unknown
VIRGA complied, and again, at Lecter's suggestion, fed most of his face to his dogs and ate his own notes. Lecter then broke Vergara's neck with a rope Berger used for autoerotic asphyxiation and left him to die. Later, the dogs were taken to an animal shelter to have their stomachs pumped, which led to the retrieval of Vergara's lips and parts of his forehead.
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Unknown
However, the skin graft was unsuccessful. Vergara survived, but was left hideously disfigured and forever confined to a life support machine. Why haven't I watched Hannibal? That is horrible. That's in. But that's in the movie Hannibal too. The. Oh, jeez. Yeah. Gary Oldman. Yeah. Previously uncredited. You would never recognize him. Yeah. Oh, really? So I saw theaters. I did not either.
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Unknown
They didn't explain it in the movie or I just didn't get it that he was that horrible of a person before Hannibal did all those things to him. Oh, but now that makes sense. Okay. Because they don't talk about his past. They might, though. I saw it when I was very young. Oh, sure. Gotcha. Oh, wow. You. Oh, my God.
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Unknown
You guys have to see. I was about to. I almost spoiled something. You guys should watch. Hannibal scarred me as a kid. I not have watched that as a at a young age. I mean, is Hannibal is it decent? Is that a good movie? Yeah. I mean, Ridley Scott directed it. You got Julianne Moore, Anthony Hopkins, Ray Liotta.
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Unknown
I remember the I've never seen it, but I know the Ray Liotta thing. Yeah, that's a great sign. I remember. It is very different. It's just different. It's a different. I wouldn't go into it as like this is a sensible line. So because it's called Hannibal, it's way more, you know, I mean, Anthony Hopkins is in this movie for, I believe, 16 minutes, which is crazy.
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Unknown
Okay. Yeah. Leading actor at the Oscars. But it is a very different, very, very vicious direction to take the story And Ridley so Ridley Scott who does he's like you know beautiful you know very highly respected movies also does alien you know it's yeah yeah you know he he's not afraid of horror and you really haven't done the alien.
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Unknown
Hannibal Oh, we haven't done it with the hell yeah. A lot of good movie. There's a lot of good things coming up on the docket. Yeah, on the. Oh, yeah, I'm only Will only with Doug. So, Danny, before we fully dive into this movie, why don't you read us the synopsis of Silence of the Lambs from IMDB, the Internet movie database, database data or data?
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Unknown
I say data data because, like I date people, I don't. Data is also the name of the Star Trek character. Right? Right. What if he said they're like, Do you want to go on a date with me? What a date. That doesn't make sense to me because, okay, whatever. Yeah. So you said we're covering The Silence of the Lambs.
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Unknown
According to IMDB, The Silence of the Lambs is about a young FBI cadet must receive the help of an incarcerated and manipulative cannibal killer to help catch another serial killer, a madman who skins his victims. Hell, yeah. Oh, my God. Is that why they call him Buffalo? Yeah, because he's skin in the buffalo. Oh, my God. I never thought about that.
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Unknown
They mentioned that in the movie. They do, and they don't really explore it. They say how it started as a joke, right? Because you can really extrapolate that when they say this. What part? What part indeed is it that when they're doing the autopsy, is it. No, I maybe. But who would she be saying it to? Oh, it's wet and I could be wrong.
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Unknown
Maybe I'm wrong, but it's when she's going into the garage and she's trying to get in and the guy who owns the garage, it's like, why did they call him Buffalo Bill? Oh, I think okay. I think okay, I could be wrong. Okay. Officers from the missing Kansas City homicide made a tasteless joke that this one likes to skin its humps.
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Unknown
Yeah, that's right. They say, Oh, I heard them say that, but I didn't. Okay. I didn't put that together with Buffalo, so. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. So Silence of the Lambs was based on the novel by Thomas Harris. Thomas also wrote I think we mentioned this, but he also wrote three other novels, Red Dragon, Hannibal and Hannibal Rising. The film was directed by Jonathan Demme.
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Unknown
It won five Academy Awards, including Best Picture director, adapted screenplay, actress for Jodie Foster and actor for Anthony Hopkins. So that's a sweep then, right? Oh, yeah, they call it that. They swept five. Yeah. The big three where they swept. Yeah. No nominations for Ted Levine or Brook Smith. Brook Smith, who played Catherine and Ted Levine, who played Jane Gumb a.k.a Buffalo Bill, which is crazy to me actually was a crazy crazy.
00:26:17:04 - 00:26:40:21
Unknown
Yeah. I want to go back and see who was nominated that year because just such memorable performances. It's wild. Yeah, Yeah. A lot of the stuff I guess we did already mentioned, it's kind of technically, but not but it's sort of indirectly a sequel to Manhunter, which Michael Mann directed it was adapted from a Dragon, which was adapted again later in 2002 by Brett Ratner.
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Unknown
Ridley Scott did the sequel Hannibal, which recast Clarice Julianne Moore. And then there was also some television adaptations with Hannibal from Bryan Fuller, who horror fans may recognize as the creator of the upcoming Crystal Lake series about Jason Voorhees with Mads Mikkelsen and Hugh Dancy. Oh, I love Mads Mikkelsen. You need to do. You know, I met him twice.
00:27:09:14 - 00:27:34:00
Unknown
I interviewed him twice. Yeah, like two days in a row for two different movies. He was so sweet. And then there was a series in 2021 called Clarice, which is about Clarice Starling, and it is set between Silence of the Lambs and Hannibal. And yeah, there's nothing really more else to say. So I'm a shut the fuck up.
00:27:34:02 - 00:27:56:06
Unknown
Okay. But yeah, he said it. I guess. Why would I tell you that? I think maybe you have. It sounds familiar now that you've said it. Actually, it might have video of one of them. I can see. It's so they're saying they would just throw me into these and I have no preparation. And I was so nervous, Danny, that he was the bad guy.
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Unknown
Indiana Jones. Oh, Mads Mikkelsen. Yeah. And what? Indiana Jones The to me. Oh, really? He's the titular dial of destiny. So. But he is the he is the main back. But he also plays Hannibal. Doesn't he play Hannibal in the series? Mm hmm. Yeah, he plays Dr. Hannibal Lecter, and he does so pretty wonderfully. God, he is like nailing it as villains.
00:28:26:18 - 00:28:55:22
Unknown
He's Hannibal Lecter. Yeah, I mean, look at him, Grindelwald. He looks like a fucking villain. He does, Which is so funny, because in person, he's so soft spoken. And we. And very cool. That's funny. That's like Viggo Mortensen. Viggo Mortensen to me. Looks like evil. Feels evil, has nice, sinister Viggo Mortensen. He's played a villain, right? I mean, I'm sure he has.
00:28:56:00 - 00:29:22:22
Unknown
Well, no, he's not a I mean, he's cold and tough, but he's not a villain. Oh, I see. I can only think of Lord of the Rings. Obviously. I'm picturing a like, the road cracking like a really wicked smile. He with his little chicken, little chocolate teeth. Yeah, but. But I digress. I digress. We digress. Yes. So, yeah, that's okay.
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Unknown
Suspenseful as said. Oh. Oh, nice to have with food in honor of Clarice's traumatic history. No, let's. Let's do some Yes or no? No, no, no, no. This is how I met. Your monster was a good case. And here I have a summer for you guys. The kill was all right. So? So, everyone listening? This is what it might sound like.
00:29:54:14 - 00:30:39:22
Unknown
Hannibal Lecter. No, no, no, no, no. I have real. I have real smart. Oh. Oh, my. Oh, God. What is that? Is that film? Yes, but it's Jack. It's. It's somehow wet. It's like. Sounds like you're touching. Like you're putting your hand through spaghetti and sauce, but it's like cracking a knuckle. Oh, man, We're all right. I know we were doing a bit, but that was deeply satisfying.
00:30:39:22 - 00:31:17:16
Unknown
Just like whisper talking. Yeah, that's. Do you ever just, like, stick your finger in to make it fart? I don't both stick it out. It's got Yeah. Listeners so you've we've we've kind of restructured the show so we got into my shine collection cases flow anyway All right well sorry. No I feel like that was a really good bridge sense.
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Unknown
All right, well, are you guys ready to get into this and meet our monsters? Hannibal the Cannibal and Buffalo Bill? Yeah. Let's do it. Yeah, Yeah. Yes, that's my Clarice. Yes. I don't know what would, but I can't do it. Hannibal Lecter, Doctor Lynch. Dr. Lecter.
00:31:41:22 - 00:32:31:05
Unknown
Yeah. What did MCG say to you? Yeah. Hello, Chris. Good to see you again. Which is funny because he never says that in the movie. Well, he says it in the cable guys. I know, I know, But I always every time I see this movie, when she's walking into like the gymnasium or whatever, that is where he's in that big jail cell and he's like, got his back turned.
00:32:31:05 - 00:32:53:22
Unknown
Reading the book, I always think he's going to say it there and he doesn't know anything. Does Chip Chip Douglass statue. But if he just like he might say like he might say like, hello, Clarice says stuff to her because he doesn't look at her up, Clarice. But if he just reading didn't say anything, it was just fills my head that like, creepy smile you hear, like just like a little fart he's reading.
00:32:53:22 - 00:33:20:04
Unknown
And I didn't know you could hear me. Yeah. In the cell that is begin. So I'd love to see, like, a skit of some comedy skit where it's like they recreate that interview scene, like the initial one where he's behind the glasses, like some kind of fighting takes place. You would be somebody who says that farting isn't funny or is like, dumb comedy can go fart.
00:33:20:06 - 00:33:45:01
Unknown
Like, farts are so funny. It's hysterical. But apparently there's an SNL episode where Matt Damon portrayed a young Hannibal Lecter and it's called Hannibal Lecter Goes to college. So. Oh, my goodness, that sounds amazing. Maybe there's some fart jokes in there for you guys. One would hope. You hope so. You want the fart joke, you wait for the fart joke and you're happy when you get the first joke.
00:33:45:03 - 00:34:04:12
Unknown
Yeah. Okay. So this movie opens up with the Howard Shore's amazing score, which is just so good. And I'm surprised that that was maybe even maybe it was nominated for an Oscar, but I'm surprised that. Oh, I don't think it was I think it was just nominated. It was nominated for sound and editing, I believe, but not. Wow.
00:34:04:14 - 00:34:37:17
Unknown
But yeah, it's so good. It is. And so when you first see, you know, the first shot of this movie is has Clarice climbing up that hill. Yeah. And there's like the two ropes there. So I read this book by. Okay, so Sid Field, who wrote a screenplay or screenplay screenwriting is no good for the screenplay, which is, you know, considered like the quintessential book on screenwriting.
00:34:37:19 - 00:35:08:06
Unknown
I read another book of his about, like, his for that. There you go. Screenplay, The Foundations of Screenwriting. He's got another book where he talks about for screenplay ways, which he says are just like some of the best screenplays ever written. He talks about Terminator two. Hmm. Dances with Wolves, Thelma and Louise and Silence of the Lambs. And it's such an interesting read, like you'll never see these movies the same again.
00:35:08:08 - 00:35:37:04
Unknown
Sid Fields only seen movies released in 1992. Yeah, but he talks about some of the lambs, and if I remember right, it was really interesting because he's like the movie opens up with to or the screenplay opens up with her climbing the thing and there's two ropes, but there's obviously no one on the other one, you know, because she's taking this journey by herself and it's not like, you know, impactful to the movie, really.
00:35:37:06 - 00:36:07:13
Unknown
But in terms of screenwriting, it's like having those two ropes there that symbolizes that she's only she's going on at it alone. I love that. Anyways, it's funny you say that, and it's such a great point too, because I was thinking about this later in the movie. There's a shot after spoiler alert after Clarice kills Buffalo Bill, there was some cutaway shots around the basement and there was this one shot of this piece of I don't know what you would call it.
00:36:07:13 - 00:36:31:22
Unknown
It's kind of a decoration. It has these pictures of it's sort of like an illusion. Ah, it has pictures of butterflies. But when it starts spinning, yeah, you see two butterflies and then you see it spin and you see a bigger butterfly. And I took that as like, okay, it's like symbol symbolizing how a Buffalo bill takes the from someone else.
00:36:31:22 - 00:36:56:12
Unknown
So like, these two butterflies becomes one and he becomes like this new thing, this metamorphosis. Oh, it's like his journal, which is kind of interesting. And maybe I'm thinking too deep into this, but maybe I'm not because of what you just said, where Clarice is kind of like on this singular journey on her own. And they even highlight the fact that she has nothing else to support her and she becomes this greater version of herself.
00:36:56:14 - 00:37:18:13
Unknown
Whereas Buffalo Bill thinks he needs someone else to create a bigger version of himself and ends up becoming his downfall. So I don't know. Oh yeah, it could turn into. That's good. These like, mirror characters, you know, the villain and the hero. That's really cool. I really like that. Yeah, I would have never noticed that. Yeah, it's an interesting read.
00:37:18:13 - 00:37:43:12
Unknown
If you ever get a chance to read that book and. And immediately we see that Clarice is like the odd man out in this whole world of the FBI. Everybody. So, like, everybody in this movie, like all the dudes in this movie always stare her down. Yeah, Like, either they're like, Why are you here? Or they're, like, interested in her sexually or whatever.
00:37:43:18 - 00:38:10:12
Unknown
Downstairs, 1991. A woman in the FBI. Yeah Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. But it's just like, that's how like, that's how alone Clarice is in that sense, because, like, she's that that odd man out. And everybody better watch out for one girlfriend. Oh, yeah. She's the girl from, uh. She was in candy man, right? Yeah, she wasn't the only man I knew.
00:38:10:14 - 00:38:49:19
Unknown
She looks so familiar. I mean, I know her from Hard Target was Jean-Claude Van Damme, but. Oh, my God. Yes. Oh, she has. She's got the. Her cupcake in the drawer has got the second candle burning is Happy birthday to me. Anyways, so this isn't about her target. Zach, the point you made about kind of the fact that Clarice's, you know, they make a point of kind of showing how she is sort of this single woman on her own in this kind of like, male dominated workforce.
00:38:49:21 - 00:39:13:16
Unknown
That was the big kind of inspiration behind. I mean, Jonathan Demme, he has a very distinct style and the way he shoots close ups with like the characters, usually he does it again in Philadelphia, which is looking at the screen, looking right notice. Yeah, the whole point that the reason he did that was he wanted everything to be in the perspective of Clarice.
00:39:13:18 - 00:39:42:11
Unknown
So whenever someone look at the camera and she's like talking to someone, they're looking right down the lens because it's like you are in her shoes. But then whenever they cut to her, it's a little off. So like, we're not quite sure. The only other time and I could be completely wrong, but the only other time that I caught it, where you do see directly down the lens is when she is with her coworker, her friend, and there are D'ELIA Yeah, yeah.
00:39:42:11 - 00:40:02:22
Unknown
You get her P.O.V.. So you have the female perspective, which I thought was really fascinating. And they are like on the same page and we're in their world and they're the ones who actually are the ones who get all the, the relevant information that they need. Right? Oh, that, that's good. Yeah, that's Silence of the Lambs. Just the horror version of Barbie.
00:40:02:23 - 00:40:30:06
Unknown
Yeah. Casey, don't tempt us. Actually, I think we know because actually, Men is the horror version of Barbie. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I have yet to see that movie. I haven't seen it, so I'm sure there will be another chance for a conspiracy theory down the line. So, you know, there's another monster in this movie that I'm not even to call him a real monster.
00:40:30:06 - 00:40:56:07
Unknown
He's just a straight up monster. Is Dr. Chilton. Why? Because he wants to sleep with Clarice. He's a poor man's nick. No, I mean, that's right. Yeah, but he's just like he. He tries to screw everything up for his own personal gain. Yes, I know. Oh, no. But, I mean, that's part of it, too, because he's a fucking creep.
00:40:56:09 - 00:41:23:00
Unknown
But yeah, So Clarice goes to the hospital to the prison. Prison, hospital, hospital, prison. The asylum to talk to Hannibal Lecter. And she meets Chilton, who's just a fucking creep. And then she's taken to the basement. She's told all the rules, and she makes that long walk down the corridor to that chair. That's sitting right. Oh, that's so good.
00:41:23:04 - 00:41:45:19
Unknown
It's just. Just that walk to the. You know, down the corridor is, like, masterfully shot. Reveal from her again, from her perspective, which is like, makes it when she passes that last wall and is standing there. You also wonder if the shot would have been as iconic had Jonathan Demme not taken that direction with the way they shot.
00:41:45:19 - 00:42:12:04
Unknown
Yeah, from her, right? I don't know. It's just like all those little things that like kind of perfect happy accidents, I guess. Well, I don't know. I have a feeling Jonathan Demme, He meant to do that? No, he was an accident. Oh, yeah. This whole movie was kind of. Yeah, There wasn't even a script. All those Oscars. Yeah.
00:42:12:06 - 00:42:35:00
Unknown
Yeah, they all were at the Oscars until this. Like, they're reading the book while they're filming. They're like, Well, we got this. We got these props here. Let's just do this the like. So why will Hannibal be relevant to the story's? Like, I don't know, it's there. Just figure it out. But yeah, no, that's a great that's a great reveal.
00:42:35:05 - 00:43:00:03
Unknown
The first time we see Hannibal Lecter and he's just he's standing there. He's at attention. He's waiting at attention. And it Yeah, I mean, he doesn't have a boner. I mean, maybe that's not what I meant. He's just boner in it up. He was inspired by Magus. Oh, God. That's something that also I love about this movie, too.
00:43:00:03 - 00:43:33:02
Unknown
Just for a setup is going to one serial killer to help find another serial killer. Yeah, they actually did that. They've done that before. Really? Yeah. When the FBI started the Behavioral Analysis Unit. So did the FBI get this? Get that idea from Southwest? No, it was before I saw this new movie. Sarge. Sarge. So the Sarge or even the FBI?
00:43:33:02 - 00:44:06:20
Unknown
What are you doing here? Okay, so. Okay, What was the name of the FBI program that was inspired by Silence of the Lambs? Yeah. So the Behavioral Analysis Unit. Okay, For now. Yeah. Okay. So they weren't necessarily like, kind of can you help us track this guy down? It was more, how do understand you two maybe? Yes, but they did also at one point they went to Ted Bundy and asked to help find the Green River killer, which Ted Bundy was executed in 1989.
00:44:06:20 - 00:44:39:07
Unknown
And then the Green River killer wasn't caught until 2001. So I'm not sure. Oh, geez, how much good it did them. Yeah, they did go to him and ask. And the behavioral analysis unit through the FBI they went around to that was created in 1985 and they went around and talked Edmund Kemper and Charles Manson and Jerry Brutus and a bunch of serial killers to help them try to profile killers so that they could find that's crazy thing.
00:44:39:09 - 00:44:58:21
Unknown
And then they made a then that show Mindhunter right is based off of that. Yeah. Wait now, Hunter, have you not watched. I think I watched them. I no, I don't think I, I just don't know if I finished it. I watched the pilot when it came out and for some reason it's so good I would watch Mindhunter again.
00:44:58:21 - 00:45:31:02
Unknown
Oh, my God, It's so good. Yeah, that's pretty cool. I do have to say, this is kind of I could go on quoting the movie, like, until I'm blue in the face I love. There's so many just quotable lines, but one that I actually wrote down that I love is when he's described Chilton is describing to Clarice, sort of giving him her like a quick background, like personally like what he knows about how he attacked someone and he said his pulse never got above 85, even when he ate her tongue.
00:45:31:04 - 00:46:04:03
Unknown
And like, that's a great example of telling, not showing, which can sometimes be even more effective in some cases. And I think it works here. It's almost like classes up the movie a little bit. It's what makes it sort of, you know, I mean, Oscar's has sort of a weird reputation with horror movies, but it might be why they felt comfortable acknowledging it the way they did at especially at the time, is because they did talk in that show.
00:46:04:03 - 00:46:38:19
Unknown
And yet in doing that, it plants those images into your head, which is almost more disturbing. But they do show it later. They do show it later. Yeah. But even then it's sort of like art, you know, like the way he does it. It's very artistic. Yeah. Like it's it's very intentional and beautiful in a weird way, but, you know, it's a thing where, like, if Hannibal were to sit you down and justify why he did what he did, he probably could convince in the same way he convinces MiGs to basically kill himself, you know?
00:46:38:19 - 00:47:08:18
Unknown
I mean, like, yeah, no, there's just something. And smart people are scary. Yeah. Thank you. Oh, my gosh. That's our thesis for the for the three episodes. Our people are scary, huh? Okay, so jumping on to jumping onto Buffalo Bill, jumping onto the Buffalo, Hannibal Lecter sends Clarice kind of on a wild goose chase with, like, cryptic clues about the identity of Buffalo Bill.
00:47:08:20 - 00:47:44:03
Unknown
And she's kind of so she calls his Miss Muffet. Mm hmm. Yes, Miss Muffet. So, yeah. So he says he sends Clarice out to find these things. Meanwhile, we as an audience meet Buffalo Bill. Yeah, in a very Ghostbusters kind of reveal with this. That's what they're going. He puts those goggles on. I love that. So, yeah, he's playing Ted Bundy with his arms in the cast.
00:47:44:03 - 00:48:13:23
Unknown
And yeah, one thing I will say about this part is Ted. Ted Levine. He's a great actor. I don't buy that outfit for a minute. He would not fucking wear that outfit. Now, you guys want a baseball hat that he was like, this big, like white and black like jackets. And he looked so like, Bro, But maybe it's just because I know that he like tux and stuff later on in the movie, You know what I mean?
00:48:13:23 - 00:48:46:14
Unknown
I don't know. But you got like, No, dude, it's not. I want to see what you would be wearing. Trevor The drag queen, trinity of the Tuck, doing a Buffalo Bill impersonation. I love Trinity, too. Yeah. I mean, maybe that was intentional because he's not kind of comfortable in his own skin, for lack of a I guess it's kind of on the nose that he takes on identities that are kind of so far beyond who he is.
00:48:46:16 - 00:49:06:02
Unknown
I don't know. Or he just, you know, just himself. He just doesn't know how to dress himself. He's not wearing or it was 1991. Yeah. Yeah. But yes, that was all that was on the shelves. It's just I don't know. It's just really I don't know. It just really isn't. Yeah, that's interesting. I didn't even see bothersome time, but Kathryn bought it.
00:49:06:07 - 00:49:34:22
Unknown
She did dump it. Yeah. So. Yeah, we see him. We, when we first meet Buffalo Bill, he's capturing his next victim in Catherine Martin, who turns out to be Kevin. Important not to say that no other piece would be important, but in terms of, like, in the public eye, she's playing some Republican senator. Yeah. So it kind of makes the race it elevates it now to one season.
00:49:34:22 - 00:50:15:08
Unknown
Republicans. Yeah. The Buffalo Bills the real hero here. Okay just kidding. I bet Buffalo is registered as an independent voter. Clarice and Crawford, her boss, then go to West Virginia because they found a body, one of Bill's first victims. And this is where they kind of see that he's like taking pieces of their skin. Yes. And also a very important moment happens here.
00:50:15:10 - 00:50:47:01
Unknown
A couple important things happen in this moment, Clarice has a moment where she is kind of shut out from everybody. Crawford's kind of like, hey, let's talk about this in the other room, because there's a woman here and all the cops, they're just like looking at her and she's got this another moment of like isolation where everyone's like, she's a woman, you know, leave her out of this, which she later kind of calls gets hers when she's like, Hey, guy, Like, she addresses the room.
00:50:47:01 - 00:51:08:23
Unknown
She's like, Get the fuck out of here. Get out of here. Like, seriously, Like, I'm in. I'm in charge of you. Like, you're leaving. Which even when, which is so fucked up because even when she's doing that, they really only receive, quote unquote, respect for lack of a better term. The fact that she is above them where it's like in there, you know, field, but otherwise you can't even see it in their faces.
00:51:08:23 - 00:51:34:12
Unknown
It has this like, fuck you mentality. Yeah. Very reluctant to listen to her in there, like for no other reason than to, like, look down on her. Yeah, but another moment that is really important in this scene is when she discovers that there's something tucked into this dead bodies throat. And it's a it's a big old it's a big ol bug cartoonist.
00:51:34:14 - 00:52:05:01
Unknown
So big old official term. No, I have the name of it. I mean, she said, oh, it death said, I think you a death said mom. Yeah. Yeah. She goes to those those bug those nerds bugs. Big playing bug guys. For real though, Miles. So. Oh there is this. Oh, yeah. I love my freak out. There's scary. If you guys ever seen an evil butterflies or some evil butterflies.
00:52:05:02 - 00:52:25:00
Unknown
Yeah. Last summer, I saw a pretty big moth just sitting on a tree. But it was like. I mean, by, like, the size of my fist, dude. Not much. Like with the wingspan or the body was the size of your fist. Now, like, the wings were just, like, out. There's probably, like, a mist like that big. There's a moth called an atlas moth.
00:52:25:02 - 00:52:54:13
Unknown
The the edges of its wings look like snakes. So like when it has it, when it has its wings together, it looks like two snickered. So that's like a, you know, makes bird stuff. Not on a flight. Yeah. Hmm. But, but yeah, I do love how this the the death said moth literally looks like a skull once you once they peel off the the little pot that it's in.
00:52:54:13 - 00:53:16:02
Unknown
Yeah. That's the third monster to circle And is it. And isn't it like on the poster for this movie where you've got the death said moth there. But when you zoom in on like with the quote unquote like skull is it's like bodies kind of like the descent did that too. Yeah, but that's poster. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. But it's a lot more obvious.
00:53:16:03 - 00:53:40:06
Unknown
Yeah. So we find out that Catherine Martin is the daughter of a senator, and Clarice and Crawford kind of use this as an opportunity to try to get Hannibal to help them even further. And they say, Hey, the senator gave you this great. We'll move you to a new prison. You'll have a view. You can go to this beach.
00:53:40:08 - 00:54:00:13
Unknown
All you got to do is help us find her daughter before she's dead. And Chilton, who is the scumbag that he is, is listening in on this. And he just goes right to Hannibal, and he's like, They're fucking lying. You know, he calls the senator. That's what he does. He calls the senator. And she's like, I didn't make that deal.
00:54:00:15 - 00:54:27:04
Unknown
And so he goes to Hannibal and he's like, They're fucking lying to you. We're going to Memphis to meet the senator, and you're going to. I can tell where and when they get to Memphis. Oh, my God. That scene in the airport is so good for a couple of reasons. One, we see for the very first time, the classic Hannibal Lecter mask.
00:54:27:04 - 00:55:00:07
Unknown
Yeah. Oh, yeah. That face shield that they put on, which is just a very cool mask. And second, Hannibal, you he like he's so witty and he's so dark at the same time he's dead. Oh, my God. And so he asks the senator if she breastfed Katherine, and she's like, Yeah, why? And he's like, like when people get their eggs.
00:55:00:09 - 00:55:26:11
Unknown
Eggs, but people get their legs amputated, they can still feel my eggs when people get their legs amputated, like they can still feel like a tickle where their leg used to be. Tiffany says to the senator, Yeah, he says to the senator, When your little girl is on the slab, where will it tickle you? Oh, that line. It's like it.
00:55:26:12 - 00:55:53:19
Unknown
The line is so good, but it's also like, so fucking dark. But just a good just a really good scene. But we did pass over a few things. I passed over a few things. Sorry. There's really just like three main things. Okay, so during the scene when she goes to see Dr. Lecter, the kid pro quo scene, we get a little bit of a start to her story about the the lambs.
00:55:53:21 - 00:56:27:05
Unknown
Oh, right. But I do really. So there's a lot of sort of debate and even debate contention about this movie when it came out. And the conversation is still sort of happening today, maybe less so, because I think people are very open to kind of the intention. But some people within the LGBT community did take a little bit of offense to the fact that the villain, one of the villains in this movie, is or at least identifies as transgender.
00:56:27:07 - 00:57:00:18
Unknown
Oh, sure. But why? Because the fact that Buffalo Bill is, you know, it's that we're at the peak of the AIDS crisis and you have a villain who identifies as LGBTQ. It just felt tasteless. And it's at a time where it's such a sensitive topic that not to say that. And that's I think that's the whole debate and conversation is like, are you should be able to say whatever you want to say, you know, but that's not to say that.
00:57:00:20 - 00:57:23:17
Unknown
But that's also saying that the audience can interpret it however they want to. Or what I did appreciate, and I think what people have come to sort of appreciate is the fact that they do specifically point out the fact and it's worth kind of repeating here that James Gunn was not actually, but this is where it gets tricky.
00:57:23:19 - 00:58:02:15
Unknown
Hannibal Lecter says that he was not transgender, but that's almost kind of like implying that James Gunn couldn't self-identify it even if it wasn't like the technical quote unquote, medical terminology. So it's just a little strange there. But it's clear this speculation is about that again as well. Oh, was there really? Yeah. Well, I guess I'm kind of drawing the idea that if you are to dress up in the clothes of another gender, that you are automatically transgender.
00:58:02:17 - 00:58:40:17
Unknown
It's just it's not there's clothing. Yeah, but that's the thing. He was wearing their boobies. And I think that's the thing with this skin suit, we, we could have a whole episode on this. And we could if we did, I think we would have experts on this topic. I just think it's a it's it's worth addressing. It's worth pointing out, because it it did sort of like there was a cloud over this movie because of that that said Clarice does specifically point out she says there's no correlation in literature with transsexuals in violence.
00:58:40:19 - 00:59:00:12
Unknown
So I thought that was just an important point to to bring up. It's just a weird it's a it's a topic that's worth discussing because it is the more you pull it apart, you start to really do. Yeah, the whole point of identity is not about like some clinical description of what identity is. It is, you know, it's more fluid.
00:59:00:12 - 00:59:32:06
Unknown
It's obviously this was a movie made in 1991, 98 anyway, so obviously the topic has evolved and changed and this is such a popular movie. People are very of it. I personally don't think it had bad intention. The fact that they have that line in general, but I did think it was interesting that Jonathan Demme, his follow up movie to this was the movie Philadelphia with Philadelphia, Tom Hanks and Denzel Washington.
00:59:32:08 - 00:59:50:11
Unknown
A lot of people thought and maybe there was some truth to it, but a lot of people thought that he actually made it in response to this movie, kind of like in solidarity with the LGBTQ community, to sort of say like, no, like I respect you. Like, I was never trying to paint you in that light. Yeah. Although I don't think that was ever proven.
00:59:50:11 - 01:00:09:02
Unknown
He did say that he did the movie because a friend of his his had AIDS and he's kind of doing it. It's like to honor him. But yeah, I have no, I have not really nothing else to add. I just thought it was worth pointing out. The movie points it out. People still pointed out. It's just that there's a lot to pick apart.
01:00:09:04 - 01:00:46:11
Unknown
Yeah, just it's a it's a topic for another day. But I'm glad that the movie at least tried to address it in a way that wasn't, you know, condemning people who do identify as trans. Right. Right. But so I like Hannibal. So. Anthony Hopkins, it's funny because obviously we all know that Hannibal is played by Anthony Hopkins and it's probably his most well-known role, but he's so good that like when I look at Hannibal Lecter, I don't think about Anthony Hopkins.
01:00:46:13 - 01:01:15:20
Unknown
Oh, okay. You know what I mean? Yeah, which is good. And so there's all these little nuances that he does as far as like, like reveling in the stuff that he's done, but not like super outward, outwardly. I don't know if that makes sense, but like, sure, when the one instance that I can think of is when they're discussing why Buffalo Bill Skins is victims, and Clarice says, well, serial killers like to keep trophies.
01:01:15:20 - 01:01:34:05
Unknown
And he said, I didn't. And she said, No, you ate yours. And then just the smallest little look in his eye where you can tell that he's just thinking about eating somebody. Yes. You know what I'm saying? It was like for one second there's like this flicker in his eye where he's like, Yes, I did fucking do that.
01:01:34:07 - 01:01:59:21
Unknown
It, you know. Yeah, but he doesn't like it too. And when they're in the, in the pen thing, just things, he's just so good. It's funny you say that. It's such a good performance. Yeah. There's moments throughout the movie where he does have these little like looks and expressions where you because you wonder, you like how he's so, like, textbook clever and he's clearly articulate and all that.
01:01:59:21 - 01:02:20:10
Unknown
But like, he has to also know if he's that smart. Just he is he's self-aware, I guess. Like, is he like, Oh, yeah, I know it's not right to do this, but I still. Oh, of course. So that's what I am also wondering, like, how self-aware is he? I don't know. Yeah. Oh, I think he's very subtle. Yeah, I think so too.
01:02:20:11 - 01:02:40:07
Unknown
Okay. Yeah, Yeah. It's almost scarier. Yeah, it is, actually. Yeah, Well, because he's so he's like, he's so proud of it and he knows that it so comfortable. It makes people and he knows how wrong it is, you guys. Yeah. I think he's, I think, you know. Do you guys know what the definition of insane is as far as the like this as it pertains to the law?
01:02:40:09 - 01:03:12:14
Unknown
No, no. Well, pleading insanity is literally just knowing whether the difference between right and wrong. Okay. So if you so like, it is scarier when people aren't insane because they are they know what they're doing is wrong, but they're not stopping themselves from doing it like so he's not. Yeah, technically insane, Right? Okay. Right. But then you have like, there's this serial killer named Richard Chase, and he was called the vampire of Sacramento.
01:03:12:19 - 01:03:38:21
Unknown
And he thought he literally thought that there was something wrong with his blood. So he had to drink blood because he had to fix his blood. You know what I mean? And that is disgusting. But that's not as scary to me as. Yeah, yeah. Because he didn't know. That's insane. That's self-preservation. Yeah. It to like. And that's so just a side note because I think it's fun.
01:03:38:23 - 01:04:01:05
Unknown
Vampire of Sacramento. So first of all because he drank blood and I mean he did some super super fucked up stuff, but he also would just go around to doors and if they were locked, he would just leave the house. But if they were unlocked, he would go inside. Huh? Yeah. And it reminds me of, like, you know, being invited in when you were a vampire.
01:04:01:07 - 01:04:42:01
Unknown
Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's not a movie about that. About him. No, no, Danny. They couldn't be, like, put babies in blenders and stuff. Yeah. Oh! Oh, my God. Yeah, just one. Oh, just just. Oh, my God. Sorry. That's where they can't make it. Richard. Jason. Sorry. Awful. This is going to start turning into, like, a animated movie podcast academy.
01:04:42:01 - 01:05:16:23
Unknown
Yeah. Oh, yeah. We're going for a six week. We're going to watch Encanto. Oh, family. Okay, so we do get Bill looking down into his whole pit. Pit. So I'm like, trying to look at his own ass all excited. Yeah, exactly. It's like, all freckled up, like, oh, that's, it's like. Like. But Dad, in society, when you think of.
01:05:17:00 - 01:05:38:00
Unknown
But I guess we all know, but we've got oh, you've got that scene that has been mocked and parodied so many times The lotion CEO Yeah it puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose. I don't I don't blame him. You know, I've got really dry skin. And if you're going to make a suit out of, you're gonna make a skin suit.
01:05:38:02 - 01:05:57:17
Unknown
Why not? Yeah, I love that. He's very, like, proper when he's telling her to do it. He's got his dog, Precious. That isn't her name, Precious. And he's like, It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again. And then she, like, won't do it or she won't put it in the basket or something.
01:05:57:17 - 01:06:18:13
Unknown
He's like, Put the lotion in the basket. And then he she just pushes him to the brink and he breaks. And his classic Ted Levine voice. So he's like, Put the fucking lotion in the basket. Oh, my God. Stuff. It's so just that I love that. So that shift. See, my mom is a real important woman, I guess.
01:06:18:13 - 01:06:28:09
Unknown
Sure. You know how it places the lotion in the basket? Play. Play.
01:06:28:11 - 01:07:08:09
Unknown
Oh, I go play like it plays the looks in the basket, and I being like, not on the iPad, but. Oh, I know you want to go to the bathroom. Yeah. You notice that like when Christine's mom, Ruth, is on TV and she keeps saying her name and they're like, Oh, the stranger he also calls her. It is saying, Oh, the basket.
01:07:08:09 - 01:07:31:11
Unknown
Yeah. To try and not make her human. So. Yeah. Oh and that's the point. That's that, that same that same scene where she's like crying for her mommy. Yeah. I want my mommy. And you can see him like he is so on the verge of tears. Yeah, like he's about to crack. And that's when he shifts into yelling because, like, he's like, if I don't yell right now, if I don't move on, like I'm going to break down.
01:07:31:16 - 01:07:52:08
Unknown
And I might lose my nerve. You can't catch the. Oh, yeah. Okay, So you guys answered my question. I was wondering if when the mom is doing it, she's using those tactics. I was like, is it wasted? Like, is he just so far gone? But no, he's actually like the textbook example of who might respond to that. Whereas.
01:07:52:10 - 01:08:15:22
Unknown
Right. Yeah. Wouldn't probably wear well. No, absolutely not. And they talk about to how for him the killing so there's process killers and product killers. So process killers are people who actually like the killing part. They like taking life than a product killer is what they get from it afterwards. So he'd be a product killer because he's skinning them.
01:08:16:00 - 01:08:40:05
Unknown
So like Jeffrey Dahmer was a product killer because he likes to keep dead bodies around the bodies. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's like she was saying earlier, she's like a lot of killers keep a trophy in you, right? Because he was all about the process, which is funny because technically he did keep a trophy because eating them is like making them part of the trophy, you know?
01:08:40:09 - 01:09:10:01
Unknown
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, part of what you eat still stays in you. Yeah. You still get, like, the nutrients and stuff from it. So it's really difficult to observe their powers in the power system. So that's the ultimate clearance is like he tells it and she's like okay that's like the ultimate if you ask me this, it's like they're never leaving, you know, Oh my God, Either observe their powers or you make a lamp or an elbow.
01:09:10:03 - 01:09:31:16
Unknown
Yeah. Okay. Right. Okay. So now, after Hannibal has been moved to the Memphis area, he's in the courthouse. And like this, I think it's a gym. I always call it a gym. Is it a gym? A gymnasium. But it's like. It's like a gymnasium. But is like this. Baby, let's go back. Okay? Maybe it's a banquet hall. It's nice.
01:09:31:16 - 01:09:56:22
Unknown
But anyways, yeah, he's in this this big cage. And this is where Clarice to see him again. She's not supposed to be there. And they talk about her past and why she hears these screaming lambs, and she thinks that if she solves this case, she's going to silence them and all that, and then she gets booted. But Hannibal took something from whatever pen.
01:09:57:03 - 01:10:22:17
Unknown
Well, he has a pen, but he also has I think he snapped that little key part of. Oh, okay. Oh, is it part of the pen? I think he's had like a little piece of metal. Yeah, okay. Because chill and even looks. He's like, where is it. Yeah. Like it's coming back because earlier Yeah. When you're in the cell and Chilton is saying like there's no deal, you're not getting anything, you're moving to Memphis.
01:10:22:19 - 01:10:45:16
Unknown
Like Hannibal is just focused on that pen that sits on the ocean, on the bed. It's like. And you're like, Oh, shit. So we, um. We probably skipped something. Sister. What? You didn't even write it down? Oh, my God. What was. What did he do? How would you fuck me? Oh, I. That's like. I think that's coming later.
01:10:45:19 - 01:11:13:02
Unknown
Okay, that's later. I have it under there. The old nado. Oh, yeah. I guess I wasn't expecting it to say Chuck nado, so I just kind of skipped over it. That's. That's in that scene. Is it. Okay. Real freeze attack nado. I wouldn't know what else to call it because I thought like a tornado is when guys like wiggle their wieners and it goes around like a tornado.
01:11:13:04 - 01:11:45:11
Unknown
And I thought, It's a helicopter, Danny. It's a helicopter. Yeah, but I just thought Chuck is fun to say. It's a big show that moves sound when you do it. Like from Twister. You know, it was it. But no, we will get there. We will get there. We're almost there. But first, Hannibal has to escape. So he takes this little painting or whatever it is, and he undoes is handcuffs.
01:11:45:14 - 01:12:15:00
Unknown
He switches the handcuffs on Lieutenant Boyle, who My first interaction with the actor who plays Lieutenant Boyle was in jury duty with Pauly Shore. And this guy, he was like he was telling Pauly Shore his character about the future of whatever these like the future Styrofoam or like he called it whatever the proper name for Styrofoam is. And he's got this pickup truck filled overflowing with Styrofoam boxes and thing.
01:12:15:00 - 01:12:42:21
Unknown
And he goes and he says, And the best thing is they pay you by the pound. And Styrofoam is very light. Yeah, that's a joke. Yeah, that's the thing. I know He thought he was like making bank. Is that supposed to be like a spoof of The Graduate? Yeah. Yeah. Plastics. Yeah. But anyways, so I was thrilled to see Lieutenant Boyle throw in something else.
01:12:42:21 - 01:13:07:07
Unknown
Like, I could just look it up. But, yes, he's one of those faces where it's like, you know. Yeah, yeah, he's one of those faces, but for a while. And then he doesn't have a face at all. Well, he keeps his face. He keeps his face. He's Sergeant Embry and he keeps the one Lieutenant Boyle gets strung up and, like, gutted.
01:13:07:09 - 01:13:33:18
Unknown
Yeah. And that's like, the very artistic, like, crucifixion kind that's got, like, the angel angel wings made out of. So. Yeah. Oh, man. But you think that's a nod to the Red Dragon? Because that's kind of like it looks like in the Red Dragon, like the imagery. But okay, my ass, I don't remember. I watched a lot as a kid, but it's probably been almost 20 years since I've seen it.
01:13:33:20 - 01:14:05:05
Unknown
But Pembury Hannibal takes Perry's face. He turns that scene off. Oh, but that whole scene with Hannibal escaping in the elevator. Yeah. Is so suspenseful. And I remember seeing it for the first time. And just like my mind was blown because they there's two scenes in this movie that Jonathan Demme pulls off just absolute it's just absolute perfection.
01:14:05:07 - 01:14:28:11
Unknown
And this is the first one, the elevator scene. The other one, you know what it is, But we'll get to it later. But yeah, this is like the you know, this is a horror movie, right? But this is like the first and only time, I guess, in the movie where there's, like, gore. Yeah. Then it feels like a horror movie.
01:14:28:11 - 01:14:54:02
Unknown
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we see what Hannibal the Cannibal is really made of. But yeah, this scene is just it's. It's so good. It also just shows how clever he is, too, because it's not just like Gore for Gore sake. Yes, it's for her. But to execute that into to kind of like plan the levels that it takes to understand.
01:14:54:05 - 01:15:16:11
Unknown
It's like playing chess, to know where everyone will be, like what position they'll be in, how long it'll take for all of them to move. Sure, it takes someone like Lecter to do that, so you just learn even more about him. You learn everything there is to know about him as like, the villain. Like we've seen him as the scholar, and now it's like, Oh, right, you're right.
01:15:16:11 - 01:15:46:07
Unknown
Get it now. So and then Clarice is sent to Belvedere, Ohio, because she and her are Delia, her friend are Delia. They kind of discover that the first victim of his was someone that he probably knew. So she goes to Belvedere, Ohio, and this is where she meets a cat who solves the entire case. That's right. See? Fucking love cats.
01:15:46:12 - 01:16:12:14
Unknown
Clarice would. Be nowhere without this cat. Wait, What happens? What if she's in her room, leads and she's looking at stuff and there's a cat she gets. She gets distracted by a cat meowing who's sitting in another room? Yeah. And she goes to look in that room and she sees the sewing materials, all the sewing materials, and she sees the dress with the two triangles.
01:16:12:16 - 01:16:28:18
Unknown
There are diamond shapes cut out of them. So and that's when she's like, Oh, my God, he's making a skin suit. So tell me this, do you guys think that there was there must have been some relevance to Cat when Catherine goes to her house before she goes home to see that she owns a bunch of bunch of cats.
01:16:28:20 - 01:16:49:02
Unknown
So what's the correlation there? Oh, I thought it was like a few notes. Just one in the window. What do you think? And then Bill has a dog. I don't know if that means anything. Well, I think that part of the thing with her, with him having the dog was, first of all, it's very rare that serial killers have animals.
01:16:49:08 - 01:17:08:22
Unknown
Okay. So I guess a caretaker kind of. Yeah. So it's like, you know, you can tell that when she's talking about she wants her mom, he has some sort of he's not just a complete sociopath. It's like he has feelings. So I think the dog kind of plays into that. But also, Christine ends up pulling Precious down. It's a good weight.
01:17:08:23 - 01:17:28:08
Unknown
Yeah. You know, to have some collateral. So it's funny what we're going to find out that like the whole thing with Catherine having a cat, the writer put that or Jonathan or someone put that in there to kind of imply that she would be more willing. She was a cat person, so she's more willing to abuse a dog to kill the dog.
01:17:28:10 - 01:17:55:08
Unknown
It's like we've. Yeah, she likes cats. And this is where we get the famous tomato, which I'm going to put my copyright on this. I coined the term tomato for this scene. So now you have to make somebody else. Nobody can use the planet as tuxedoed at least once in their life. Well, now what you have to do is you have to make a talking panty company called Tuxedo.
01:17:55:09 - 01:18:30:20
Unknown
Oh, yeah. So they reminds you of that scene in Scary Movie. Ready? He's like, What do you think, tucked in or out? Just. Oh, I know. Like, Oh, but we get the the famous tuxedo with Good horse is just it's just such a interesting scene. It's such a great performance. Ted Levine Man, it's so good. It's it's this whole it's like it's like every single scene is just fill the moment and be in line.
01:18:30:20 - 01:18:56:12
Unknown
And it's just like, Jesus Christ. And then, okay, so here is the second moment that is filmed to absolute perfection, or I should say filmed and edited to absolute perfection. The big reveal of the location, the slow bill, the big fake out. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. It's so good. That is. I don't know. I don't even know how to.
01:18:56:16 - 01:19:39:02
Unknown
What movie did we watch that did this? The black phone, Uh, was it. I mean, there's reason then that they do it in the black. Was it joy? Right. It was. Joyride. Oh, in the hotel room. It was joyride with hotel room bank. Yeah. Yeah, it's always him. So, yeah, the the FBI is closing in on this house and it's cutting between, it's cutting between them outside minute cuts to Buffalo Bill inside with his moths and the doorbell rings and his alarm goes off and it's just seamless.
01:19:39:04 - 01:20:10:03
Unknown
And once he opens the door, he sees Clarice outside and then the FBI breaks in and the house is empty, and they're at two separate houses, 400 miles apart. And Clarice, again, is all by herself. And I love how. Okay, so this whole climax is so intense. And when she has to go into the basement and chase a buffalo bill and she doesn't where he is, I love that they plant that little seed.
01:20:10:03 - 01:20:33:07
Unknown
Earlier in the movie during her training where like, this is not her strong suit. Mm. You know, coming in and sweeping the house and checking the corners and doing all that stuff. So it makes it, it just adds that one little level of like danger. It's just such, it's just good writing at the core of it because we find her, like you said, she opens the door, she's alone.
01:20:33:09 - 01:21:00:21
Unknown
So we're kind of with her in the same setup, essentially how we found her. We leave her where we found her, but she's gone on this journey and she's grown so much over the course of a fairly short amount of time in trying to figure this out that, like, you're still nervous and worried for her, but you have more faith because you've seen the little things that she's had to face.
01:21:00:23 - 01:21:30:02
Unknown
Yeah. God, God, it's it's brilliant. It is truly brilliant. Yeah. And she saves the day. She gets Buffalo Bill. I love her final line right before she shoots them and she's like, wham, bam, thank you, ma'am. And then she just, like, shoots him. So she says, yeah, she hears the he's like, got the night vision goggles on. And she believes and she's like, she he's right behind her And he's like, about to touch your face, whatever.
01:21:30:02 - 01:21:49:06
Unknown
And she hears the cocking the gun and she says, wham, bam, thank you, ma'am. And then she quickly turns around because he gets flustered when he hears that and he's like, is he still very he establish if you listen, he establishes that earlier and he hates any time someone quotes a David Bowie song. Yeah. And she knew that.
01:21:49:06 - 01:22:10:01
Unknown
And had she not gone through that journey in training, she would have never figured it out. Right. Right. So when he cocks the gun, she spins around. There is an I get it, It's a movie. And there's like a suspension of disbelief and in editing and all that, why he just fire. There is like a moment of like where he could shoot her.
01:22:10:01 - 01:22:35:10
Unknown
Do you think there was a part of him that because we did that hesitated. Yeah, because we you guys both. Well, yeah. Oh, he was more broken than maybe even he believed. Yeah. He didn't like to kill people. Yeah, he needed her to be fatter. Well, yeah, I mean, like, but truly, though, like, she wasn't the textbook example of, like, his victim, like his target.
01:22:35:10 - 01:22:53:15
Unknown
So I'm, wondering, maybe that had something, and maybe she did come in very dominant and strong, and that could have kind of intimidated him and put him in a more vulnerable state. Yeah. Yeah. I just always like, it's just one of those things. Every time I watch the movie, I always kind of make a note of it. So I just wanted to.
01:22:53:20 - 01:23:10:16
Unknown
Well, yeah, because like, right before he pulls out the gun, he's, like, reaching his hand out, like, real. Just try to see how close he can get to her without her noticing. And so, I don't know, maybe the gun was just another. Yeah. Let me see if I can cock this gun and see Fuck with her. How much I could fuck with her.
01:23:10:16 - 01:23:41:10
Unknown
Yeah. How much I could get away with before something happened. And she's. She heard that and just spun around and wham, bam, thank you, ma'am. Then maybe he wanted to die. Maybe. Maybe, maybe that was his final evolution of his metamorphosis. Murph is suicide by cop. Yeah. And so. So that's it. And then Clarice graduates from FBI training, So congratulations are in order.
01:23:41:10 - 01:24:14:14
Unknown
She's agent now they have some cake, and then she gets a phone call. It's our old friend Hannibal Lecter, who is she? He's going. She's like, He's. He's in some foreign country and he's got a little disguise on. He's got, like, blond hair to have such a choice. He sees Chilton come off the plane who's, like, in hiding because he probably thinks Hannibal Lecter is after him.
01:24:14:16 - 01:24:34:11
Unknown
And. Yes, right. And he says that he's you know, he's like, I can't talk long. I'm having an old friend for dinner and, oh, my God, it's so good. And I love how she's you know, we were talking a lot about just like the camera and how like we're in her perspective. And then all of a sudden we're looking right at her like, I don't know.
01:24:34:11 - 01:25:00:08
Unknown
I don't know. There's just something I felt so, like, unsafe in that moment because you're seeing her just so just haunted and horrified and just Yeah. And like, she thinks it's over for the most part. She's like, Hannibal or, you know, Dr. Lecter is not going to come after me. We got Buffalo Bill. And then she hears his voice and then she's like, almost like, thrown back into, like, that traumatized state that she was when she was a girl here in the Lambs.
01:25:00:10 - 01:25:34:11
Unknown
And she just, like, keeps repeating his name. She's like Dr. Lecter. Dr. Lecter Like she's in a trance. Wait, KC, she'd be doing this. No. Oh, do it, please. I haven't practiced that. Oh, it's a similar version. You got to do it. No, Doctor. Doctor. Dr. Lecter, Dinner. But, Dr. Lecter. Dr. Like to Dr. Doctor. Like the secret is to Doctor Southern and a few more syllables.
01:25:34:13 - 01:26:10:05
Unknown
Doctor Like Dr. Lecter. Like, wow, we did it, you guys. We sure reassured. We're sure to have Dr. Lecter. We sure did. Your dad and my friends, is The Silence of the Lambs. So that's the movie. Clarice Crawford just looks at the camera. And that, my friends, is the silence. Like, you're like, takes it out like Rod Serling on The Twilight Zone.
01:26:10:05 - 01:26:41:22
Unknown
He's like, Oh, yeah he's like, Clarice would notice that now the lambs were silenced. Or so I said. That is like, do do, do, do, do. What do you guys want to talk about? Our favorite reveals in The Silence of the Lambs. How good. I'll see you guys buying on air. Oh, please. Anyone. That's how they can sit.
01:26:42:00 - 01:27:20:15
Unknown
They're under the goddamn brand, but you guys could guess mine. Good bye. Oh, says, of course, due to the reveal of his talk. You hear all about it? So here's what I have for the reveals. Clarice visits Lecter. That's the first time we see Hannibal Lecter. And it's just amazing talk. A lot of talk. We get Buffalo Bills, Ghostbusters night vision goggles, right?
01:27:20:17 - 01:27:59:12
Unknown
We get Buffalo Bill looking into the well, because that's like when no staring at us Whole state is get Buffalo Bill looking into his hole Hannibal Lecter at the Memphis airport because I would call that a reveal because we get that So you're like let's say it's Clarice but you get to the well at Memphis Airport. Well, he also wrote down Chuck Nado so I could do a tuxedo at the Memphis airport.
01:27:59:13 - 01:28:33:16
Unknown
No, not in Tennessee, man. Yeah. Oh, so that is the reveal of the famous Hannibal Lecter mask. We get the reveal when escapes the jail. I've got Hannibal in the ambulance taking the face off, and then I've got good bye horses, Dr. Bell. Good bye, horses. Tornado style. I can eat that movie. I don't love it. So we have these favorite reveal.
01:28:33:18 - 01:29:03:15
Unknown
Yeah, the old tornado. Good bye, Horses. Tornado. Danny, what about you? Also love that song. Yeah, it is a song. You know, my favorite reveal is. Yeah, it's just meeting Dr. Lecter for the first time. Okay, I'm going to go with that one, too. I mean, it's just. Just for the sheer. It's just classic and it's a reason.
01:29:03:15 - 01:29:32:01
Unknown
It's a classic because it's such a good scene. It's played so it's just so understated and patient and creepy. Understated. You mean you don't like the man who's a transgender tucking his shirt off and singing and sewing human skin suits? I see enough tux on RuPaul's Drag Race and it's not novel anymore. You enough. I love Emily Tuck.
01:29:32:03 - 01:29:55:09
Unknown
Well, all right, Well, now it's time for a segment that we like to call the real Monster. Running around. Running as fast as you can catch me. I am the gingerbread man. You're a monster. I'm not a monster. Here you are. You and the rest of that fairy tale trash poisoning my perfect world. Now, tell me, where are the others?
01:29:55:10 - 01:30:25:17
Unknown
Eight me. Are. So I'm going to come right out and say it. My real monster is Catherine Martin. Oh, she's a monster. Wait, I hate it when they're dead. That's right. Because she's so mean to Clarice, who is there to save her and places like you're safe. Oh, I'm saving the day, and she's like, You fucking bitch! Get back!
01:30:25:19 - 01:30:51:09
Unknown
And it's a very hot take, and I get it. I understand. But, God, she is so rude. And every time she's like, Are you calling her a bitch? She's saving it all. So it's a real monster. It's bad manners. You have to understand, Zach is in a very different position than you and I are crazy. Zack is literally raising two children.
01:30:51:11 - 01:31:17:19
Unknown
He's emphasizing manners. That's right. It is coming natural. Yeah, but you should, man, that's. Never mind. So I'm not going to say Zach was Clarice. He would hear that, and you're like, I'm good. I'm even good. Just be nice to me. Oh, okay. Okay. Well, fuck you, bitch. It's Travis. Then she hears that. She hears it. It's like, You fucking bitch.
01:31:17:21 - 01:31:40:10
Unknown
Get here. And Clarice is like, She's like, I'm done. And I don't want to help you. Just want to go. That's a hot take, Zach. That is so funny. I love that. It's a hot take. It's so that's what we make the show for. So we make the show. All right, See? See? What do you get? You're only what's my only real monster.
01:31:40:10 - 01:32:21:08
Unknown
She is. She just. It's a solid, real monster. I want a vampire movie about a vampire who, like, is does not ever have a popular opinion. It's called Hot Steaks. Oh, I got a winner. You back with a classic fight? Luzia and a big doctor like Casey. Casey, who's your own monster? Mine is the beauty standards because he sure that Christine was a size 14.
01:32:21:10 - 01:32:44:14
Unknown
His other chicks were also a size 14. He said when she went, she about the first victim she went to the house, said, I'm investigating the death or the murder of such and such. He said, oh, well, she that great big fat person, but she would have to do it in television. VOICE Oh, is she that great big fat person?
01:32:44:16 - 01:33:03:04
Unknown
And she was size 14. I'm size 12, but I think we have to see it to describe that person now. No, we're seeing designs of a serial killer. No, because she says that she goes, yes, she was big. His his victims had to be a size 14 because they had to be big enough for him to fit into their skin.
01:33:03:09 - 01:33:25:12
Unknown
And I'm a size 12, so I'm a great big fat person. But yeah, no, maybe it's just another example of him like projecting like his insecurities, like he had of no, like I just feel it from that person so we can fit in our skin. Danny Self Because then he would be saying he wants someone who is his size.
01:33:25:12 - 01:33:55:01
Unknown
So he's sort of like calling. He's putting the attention out to him through vicariously through his victims. It's I just feel like there's so much more to untangle there. Know he wants skin. Everyone is beautiful. Okay. The standards of serial killers in 1991 should not be something that we worry about. Right. Or give any credence to these days or ever.
01:33:55:03 - 01:34:40:03
Unknown
That's just my opinion. Just one man's opinion. Do you have any other real monsters? No, that was it. Well, I have three, Right. I said Mr.. I said, you said Mr. Lecter You come, Dr. Jones, down. Okay. Sorry. So my first one is it's like pretty. It's not funny. It's just doctor chill and go. Anyone who capitalizes on people's health threat doctor lectures or Mr. Lover who thinks Christine is the real monster because she was rude when she was abducted to be turned into a skin suit.
01:34:40:03 - 01:35:02:02
Unknown
But she's not allowed to call Clarice a bitch. No. You know what she has? And you sort of see 20 teens still Dr. Lecter's wig at the. Oh, yeah. It was just such a choice. It's just such a choice. It's like he didn't need it. It just getting into, like, his head of how I just, like, it draws my attention.
01:35:02:02 - 01:35:23:10
Unknown
It's like, who's the guy with, like, so weird now? It's like. It's like. It's like a fish out of water story. Like from the eighties, they're like, going, like, what's what's the fashion these days? And like, so the store owner, like, like, oh, this is what's hip like puts it either way, it's literally this is in the Barbie universe it's been Barbie but so she thinks would be normal.
01:35:23:12 - 01:35:44:17
Unknown
Who can predict how like there is the Barbie. Wait no. Well, I told you we'd be coming back. I told you we'd find when it is time for the How I Met Your Monster Conspiracy Theory of the Week hit. I'm telling you that NASA's going for the president of the United States with an earthquake, that kind of thing.
01:35:44:17 - 01:36:32:23
Unknown
A Secret Service agent in my unit from self on top of the whole Vietnam War was fought over and in our years lost. Aristotle Onassis. Third issue this year, conspiracy theory, is Anthony Hopkins, Margot Robbie. So it proves that Anthony Hopkins and Margot Robbie are the same person, not Hannibal Lecter and Barbie. Yeah. So then my third and final real monster and I would say the ultimate real monster is anyone has yet to gift me with Clarice Starling's green coat in this movie because it is like the epitome of the coast.
01:36:33:01 - 01:36:56:17
Unknown
I've always had. I look it is looks like the most comfortable, cozy, esthetically pleasing coat I've ever seen in my life. And at one at the end of the movie she takes it off. I'm like, Clarice, that's your armor. Or maybe it was weighing her down. Yeah, but she's wearing this. The whole movie. She only takes it off.
01:36:56:19 - 01:37:22:07
Unknown
She only takes it off at the end. There's that scene when she's in the shower and she's wearing a jacket. Oh, yes, she's wearing it when she goes under the under the storage unit door. It's sort of like her gloves are off moment, but it's like green jacket off. Like when it gets real. It's very nineties, very nineties.
01:37:22:07 - 01:37:48:06
Unknown
But I love I there's something very comfortable about the nineties. I don't know if it's because that's just when we were children so it feels like a safe space. But there's something about that static that maybe isn't like technically esthetically pleasing by today's standards, but it's just, it's like a warm blanket or a warm jacket or a warm jacket or warm coat.
01:37:48:08 - 01:38:16:01
Unknown
Yeah. It's like, All right, well, okay, well, that is then. All we have for Silence of the Lambs. Do you guys have anything else to add about the Lambs being silence? Clarice? No. Tucker Lecter. You should do it. All right, well, then, that is it for Silence of the Lambs Listeners, if you have anything else to add about Silence of the Lambs, let us know.
01:38:16:02 - 01:38:38:06
Unknown
Oh, yeah. And this is the end of a talk about it on our next episode. This is it. Yeah, this is that. We are full. We've had our discourse that our protein, we are full. Who's going to get the bill? I got to go. Actually, it's not because I don't want to cover the bill or help. I just really to I can venmo you later, but okay, I'll do it.
01:38:38:06 - 01:38:55:17
Unknown
We'll get Colonel Sanders to do it because he'll make sure to leave. He'll make sure to leave it to Paul Sorvino for the stuff he's like. He's like, pay the cameras like 10% to get a cash receipt.
01:38:55:19 - 01:39:21:16
Unknown
Our next episode is going to be our very special Halloween episode. And we do things a little differently here at How I Met Your Monster. Our year runs from Halloween to Halloween. Not this, not this January 1st, New Year's. Shit. I don't know what that's all about. Halloween is the start and end of the year. It's like a double holiday twice a year.
01:39:21:18 - 01:39:50:00
Unknown
So. Yep. Check that stories on that one. So area that two, we start on Halloween, we end on Halloween and and a special Halloween episode which will come out next is what Danny what is it? Yeah we'll be doing a ranking of the last 26 movies that we covered over the past year from last Halloween to this Halloween.
01:39:50:02 - 01:40:14:21
Unknown
That's really exciting. I love a rank I don't like when things are ring. Yeah, good. Smelly. But I like when I like a drink. Yeah. No you don't like when things are rank, but like the things are ranked right. Which is kind of like a wank. Yeah. Too. I, I don't like I wanker. I love a good wink, you know.
01:40:14:21 - 01:40:44:02
Unknown
That's right. So we would rank these monsters from worst to best. He's got his. Hey, man, I don't. I don't. Hey, as long it's not children or animals, we get to consensual adults, and you can rank whatever you want, but. All right, so that will be our special Halloween episode. Until then, you can find us on social media, on TikTok, Facebook, Instagram Twitter.
01:40:44:02 - 01:41:15:13
Unknown
Still sorta. We're just around at How I Met Your Monster. Where can our listeners find you too on social media so they can learn all about your personal life? Casey I'm on Instagram, Wolfmother. Casey That's it. Okay, awesome. You can find me. You can read my autobiography I just published. It's hitting bookshelves. You can learn all about me, where it was born, what I do for a living, and what I want to do for the rest of my life.
01:41:15:15 - 01:41:43:00
Unknown
My fears and weaknesses my strengths, my loves. No other than that. Danny. Danny. It's not advised to stick Eminem's up your butt for the rest. So that's actually the title of the book. It's not advised to stick Eminem for the rest of your life. Any sort of story? No, but you can find me. I actually haven't had as much of a social media presence as it were lately.
01:41:43:03 - 01:42:09:20
Unknown
I've just ever since that whole Twitter debacle, I've just kind of been, like, so tired and jaded and bored. So but you can find me on Instagram letterboxd. Those are the two that I tend to gravitate toward. Also threads, which again, I hate saying and so don't say it. Yeah, you can also be on threads there. Yeah. And yeah.
01:42:09:20 - 01:42:30:16
Unknown
And you can find me at my name. It's Danny. So I'm Deanne NY S.r.l. limit its two ends like the candy melt in your butt in your hands. Wonderful. That's it for this episode of How I Met Your Monster. Make sure to join us next time for our special Halloween episode. And until then, thank you all for listening.
01:42:30:17 - 01:43:25:20
Unknown
Now go meet some monsters. Doctor Tucker Like, Doctor Like Dr. What? Doctor? Like doctor like.