Our Mind Fucks triple feature kicks off with Martin Scorsese’s tragic trip to the island of misfit murderers. The storm is a-comin’, the mind is a-runnin’, and if your name’s Teddy… it's probably Andrew… as we set sail for Ashcliffe Hospital for the criminally insane to meet… well… we're still trying to figure that out… but for now, let's go with Andrew Laeddis, in SHUTTER ISLAND. Starring Leonardo DiCaprio, Mark Ruffalo, Ben Kingsley, Emily Mortimer, and Michelle Williams.
Martin Scorsese's Shutter Island is one of the most rewatchable psychological thrillers of the 2000s, and on this episode of How I Met Your Monster, we break down exactly why.
Set in 1954 at Ashecliffe Hospital for the Criminally Insane, Shutter Island follows U.S. Marshal Teddy Daniels (Leonardo DiCaprio) as he investigates the disappearance of a patient from a remote island asylum and slowly loses his grip on what's real. It's a film built on clues hidden in plain sight, unreliable narration, and one of the most satisfying twist endings in modern horror and thriller cinema.
We cover the film's five monster reveals, the symbolism of fire and water throughout the story, Scorsese's visual references to Gustav Klimt's "The Kiss," and the real history of trans-orbital lobotomies that gives the film's ending its gut-punch weight. We also dig into the film's place in the Scorsese/DiCaprio collaboration, how it compares to Inception (also released in 2010), and why Shutter Island deserves more awards recognition than it ever received.
Other topics include the psychology of trauma and repressed memory, the history of mental health treatment in mid-century America, the true crime case of Andrea Yates, the literary legacy of Dennis Lehane (Mystic River, Gone Baby Gone), and how Scorsese uses classic filmmaking techniques — from Hitchcock-inspired direction to old-school rear projection — to build dread.
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How I Met Your Monster
Today we kick off our Mind Fucks triple feature with Martin Scorsese's tragic trip to the island of misfit murderers. The storm is coming. The mind is a runnin. And if your name's Teddy, it's probably Andrew. As we set sail for ash Cliff hospital for the Criminally Insane to meet. Well, we're still trying to figure that out. But for now, let's go with Andrew.
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Latest in Shutter Island. You're listening to how I Met Your Monster. A podcast that explores the introductions to your favorite movie monsters. My name is Zac. I'm Danny and I'm Casey. And together, we dive into the world of horror to find out how filmmakers have introduced us to our favorite monsters time and time again. This is how I met Your Monster.
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Oh.
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Welcome to how I Met Your Monster, the show where we discussed introductions to your favorite movie monsters. It's time for a brand new triple feature. And this time we are fucking with minds. We're not fucking with minds. We're getting our minds fucked with. Not physically, not quizzically. We are. We mentally mind fucking each other. What? It's an orgy of the mind.
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An orgy of the mind. Yeah. Okay. Building. Oh, it's like. It's like our brains are shunting us something. Something. But there's a, physically mind fucking movie right there. They're doing all kinds of fucking in that movie, much like the sadness if you've seen the sadness. Yeah. There's no fucking in that movie. True. And I say this is why I had to put my foot down.
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You didn't have to put your foot one, two and three. I was like I was kind enough to not make you watch your. Yeah. You're fucked up. It's literally it's it's worse than Terrifier anyway. No, but we're doing, this this new triple feature in mind fucks. It's all about trippy fucking movies that make you. You gotta work.
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It's one thing, and then it's gotta work for them a little bit. You gotta, And that's. I mean, that's, I feel like that's makes a good movie, you know? Like, I got to participate. I mean, sometimes don't always. You movies are good when you don't have to participate. But, yeah, it's nice for your sleeves. And you gotta get your hands dirty.
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Yeah. So today we're kicking it off with Shutter Island for Martin Scorsese and, Dennis Lehane, who wrote the novel and then, the screenplay was written by Laeta Kalogridis, who also did Nightwatch. I never saw Nightwatch, but I remember, like, back in the day, there was like day watch and there was like three of them, I think.
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But she also wrote Terminator Genesis and Alita Battle Angel. So there's some, James Cameron connections there. Yeah, somewhere. But the but the the novel for Shutter Island, Dennis Lehane, he also wrote mystic River and Gone Baby gone. Oh yeah. That's right I remember that. Like I don't know if it was like a marketing thing, but I remember that those movies kind of coming up when this movie came out.
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Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. This was this was 2010. So this was after The Departed, which was. Yeah, 2008, I believe. And interestingly, this was the same year as inception. And I feel like these that movie in this one, there's a lot of similar DNA like this was the same year as inception, 2010. No. Leo did two mind fuck movies in 2010.
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His wife is haunting him in his dream, and there's a tragedy with the family. I think I saw inception with use in the theater. No, it was Shutter Island. No, because I fell asleep. I didn't fall asleep during Shutter Island. I fell asleep in the theater during inception. Oh, really? Yeah. So this is a great show that you could like you.
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That's if you're gonna fall asleep. You know, that's the movie. I really see it the way it's meant to be seen in a dream. No. We always do our bit of the, the from Goodfellas with the. Oh, I thought you were. Oh, I thought you said this is this is perfect. Is. It's literally a Scorsese movie.
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Was like. Oh, I thought you were the dream movie. Oh, no, you're Shutter Island. Oh, I thought you were inception. I thought you were Joseph Gordon-Levitt. Okay, since we left.
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Way to ruin it. No. Perfect. That's perfect. They just said we'd love to. We love to criticize and create. I don't know, drama within the cinema sphere. Yeah. We do. What do you prefer, Shutter Island or Inception? Oh, Or do you love them equally? I only saw inception when I fell asleep. So I prefer Shutter Island by default.
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Okay. They're both like. I mean, inception is really good. I would go with Shutter Island just for, like, the vibe, I guess, just for, like the vibe of it, but I mean, like inception, you got inception is like the more you think about it, it's just like mind numbing. Yeah. Because you're like, holy shit. Like it's just like, oh, Christopher Nolan movies is like trying to make sense of it, essentially sort of.
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But it's like you get it, but it's also like, wow, that's so wild with this one. It's like once you figure it out or like once the reveal is done, it's like, okay. And I mean, it doesn't that doesn't like downplay the movie. Like the more you watch it, the more like little clues you pick up on. But it's not like something that you have to try to comprehend.
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So total it is definitely like a pretty straightforward story in a sense. Yeah. Once they tell you what's going on. Right. There's just a good twist to funny enough, they both have. And I just noticed this because I had only seen this movie one other time, and, even the endings are kind of similar. I don't know what your guys's read was.
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How I Met Your Monster
I know we're jumping around, but, because, quick spoiler alert for inception. So just fast forward like 15 seconds. But the spinning top and inception, which is supposed to make you think like, wait, is it or isn't it like dizzy dreaming or is he not? And then in this one he's like, you know, he regresses. And Mark Ruffalo, his character, looks over at the team and shakes his head and it's like, no, he regressed.
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But then you're left wondering. You're like, wait, did he know? Or is Andrew like, actually he knows who he is. He knows what's going. He actually just doesn't want to remember it anymore. So yeah, he does look. Oh yeah. Yeah. So smart. But you could read it as both ways if you wanted to. If you're like, no, but maybe that's us because the whole movie is just constantly like, it's telling you over and over again, like, I Rachel number two says it where she's like, if they tell you you're crazy, anything you say just reinforces what they already said, and then vice versa.
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If they're saying this, then they're clearly in on it. It's all conspiracy. Such a clever, simple way to make a movie's ending super memorable because it's like, yeah, okay, we've seen movies with the twist and he's actually the bad guy, or it's all in his head. Cool. But once you leave it on that note, it's such a more satisfying, send off so that we have you just constantly have to sit with it and, like you said, like you go back to the movie and you're like, you start replaying scenes and yeah, yeah, really fun.
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Something I didn't remember from the first watch. In the first watch, when I saw it in theaters, I was pretty sure that it ended pretty clearly, like, oh, damn it, he regressed. I guess I just didn't digest it at the time. So that made this watch, really satisfying. Yeah. Well, since Danny already gave away the ending of Shutter Island, if you're listening to this episode and you haven't seen Shutter Island, you don't have to anymore.
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How I Met Your Monster
And there's really, you know, we think that the best way to talk about this movie is to know the ending. And then you can kind of see how it all plays out. So basically through this episode, we'll be talking about like a lot of the clues that give it away throughout the movie. And so yeah, it would be helpful to watch Shutter Island before if we missed anything, please let us know.
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How I Met Your Monster
Yes. Okay. But guys, before we get started on this movie, before we get any further, I have a question for you. Who is the better duo? Martin Scorsese and Leonardo DiCaprio are Martin Scorsese and Robert De Niro. Martin Scorsese and DiCaprio have done six movies, and Scorsese and De Niro have done nine movies. This one was the fourth for for him and Leo.
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How I Met Your Monster
Yeah, I don't know what. I don't know what's happened to me in my older age, but I'm not a big fan of Leonardo DiCaprio anymore. Okay, He's fine. But when I was younger, I was like, oh, swoon. Oh, he's so good. Oh, he's so hot. And then then I watched this movie and I was like.
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How I Met Your Monster
Well, there's some that I want. Yeah, there's a little thing that a little tidbit about this movie that when the movie starts, like, I don't take him seriously. Okay, you know why? Yeah, I know, what do I do? Know why. And we'll talk about it and we'll get there. We'll get there. Then it's told the horses. I don't know if we have the same idea.
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How I Met Your Monster
But. Okay, just real quick. Martin Scorsese and Robert De Niro, maybe not. Like personally. Who do you think like as an actor, but like, who do you think is the better the better. What's the better? Collaboration? De Niro kind of like, are you asking like which one we want to binge? Or is it more on like a creative side?
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How I Met Your Monster
Like one is more they seem more talented or they put out? No, they're both they're both incredibly talented. Like, so I'm okay, here we go. Let me say the list and then you can decide how you want to judge it okay. Scorsese and De Niro, you have Mean Streets taxi driver, New York, New York, Raging Bull, the King of Comedy, Goodfellas, Cape Fear, Casino and The Irishman.
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How I Met Your Monster
Did I miss one? I don't think so. I think that's it sounds Martin Scorsese and DiCaprio started with Gangs of New York. Then you've got The Aviator, The Departed, Shutter Island, Wolf of Wall Street, and killers of the Flower Moon. Well, I'm just going to get this out of the way, so that you guys can judge shit out of me.
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How I Met Your Monster
You don't like Robert DeNiro? No, I do like Robert De Niro, but I've only seen Taxi Driver and Cape Fear, and I didn't really care for Cape Fear. And then of the Leo movies, I've only seen The Departed and Shutter Island, so. Okay, no, not really. We're not here to judge. I don't really have a Danielle secretly judge that.
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How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. That's actually that's, you work here? Dude, I got there was. And it could have just been the rain, but, like, I was getting Cape Fear vibes when watching this one. Totally. It could have just been the storm at the end, but. Well, it's funny because the again, we're jumping around a little bit, but the latest character, the one that shows up in like his manifestation of latest looks like Robert De Niro.
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How I Met Your Monster
No he did. I actually thought that it was Robert De Niro for a second. Yeah, that's his profile. Yeah, it's gotta be intentional because he looks like a mix of like, Travis Bickle in. Well, here is what he is, a mix of his character in Taxi Driver, Cape Fear, but also kind of reminded me of him in Frankenstein.
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How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. Kenneth Branagh movie. Yeah. Which is so random because I don't know if there's an association with Scorsese, like if he was a producer on it. And then it's like, was it a case of we wanted De Niro to do a cameo as Leonardo DiCaprio's kind of like alternate self? Or was it Scorsese being like, no, let's just it's just like more of, like a reference for my oeuvre?
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How I Met Your Monster
I really I really miss working with Bob. Can you find a way to make this guy like you, like, look like Bob? Did you find a way to make Casey Jones look like Bob? Well, let me see. I want to go on to IMDb and I'm going to check to see what was Robert De Niro, what was tying him up?
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What was he doing? Couldn't be in. It was like in a Martin Scorsese production. So let's see. Roll it on down to 2010. All right. He was in. Let's see. So starting with 2009. So maybe this is Meet the Parents. There it was. Yeah. Let's do some scheduling conflict stuff. Oh no I'm gonna start with 2009. It was everybody's fine.
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How I Met Your Monster
Machete that movie and Little Fockers. Yeah, he should have. He should have made the cameo. He should have it. Kids. Yeah. Everybody's fine. That movie. You're probably thinking of the right. If I'm thinking of the right movie. They marketed that as, like, a comedy because he was in Meet the Parents, and it is so depressing. I think I watched that on it.
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I did not know that. The only thing I know about that movie is it has like some of the greatest Photoshop for a movie poster I've ever seen. I was like, oh, this is how it all. This should be the standard. Am I right? Thinking of the right movie? Everybody's fine, I think. Yeah, that's the one that I'm thinking of.
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Heartfelt comedy. Drama. Yeah. I remember seeing that movie and being like. And I haven't watched it since, I don't know, like the year after it came out, but I remember, like, the trailers were all like, silly because of Meet the Parents. What a terrible Photoshop job. It's it's like everything if you just like like the hand placement, his face, the brushing.
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It's just taking a selfie. He's just so bad. It looks great. But I remember, like, at the end, being, like, just like, gutted. If I. You know, I spend a long time, so I can't speak to really what happens. But, I was like, Holy shit. And that happens a lot, you know, with marketing. And they try to.
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Yeah. Shutter Island was marketed as a romantic comedy. And I was like, well, yeah, it's like you don't get that feeling when you watch it. I thought it was her island. Like it was like, this woman owns an island and they're going to shut it down. So Leonardo DiCaprio has to show up to like, save it. And they fall in love.
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How I Met Your Monster
Yeah, it doesn't work that way. Did you know what it was? Shutter Island is what's it called when the numbers are or the letters are? What's it called when the letters are switched around into an anagram? Yeah. Like his name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shutter Island is an anagram for, say, Casey.
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How I Met Your Monster
Shit. Or Oakland.
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Shit. Or Iceland. Yeah. You switch the. You switch the U, and the shutter is like shutter us one. No, it's an anagram for truth. And lies. Oh, is it really what? I thought you were making a duh. No. So, wait, are we? So is the movie then suggesting that when the island was founded, which I have to assume was done before ash Cliff hospital was built, there was like an a kind of an idea that this island would be host or play host to.
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How I Met Your Monster
But was it secrets and lies? No can be. See truth and the truth and lies. Truth and lies. Shutter Island. Truth and lies. That's interesting. Truth and calling sequence. So Teddy was like fated to face truth and lies on this trip because it was whoever named the island. Yeah. Someday a man will come from the mainland. All right.
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How I Met Your Monster
Have you guys seen this movie before? Like before watching for this? Yeah, just once when it came out. And I only remembered the big twist I didn't remember exactly like about his family and stuff. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I remember that he killed his wife, and then I remembered that he was actually his patient 67, but I didn't remember anything else.
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How I Met Your Monster
So it's kind of like watching it for the first time. Almost. Yeah, yeah, a lot of it. Okay. Heavy use, like, I think this is my I think watching it for this was my third time. I think I just saw it, briefly after it came out. And then one other time and, Yeah, man, it's so good.
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How I Met Your Monster
It's so it's so good. And, you know, I was, I was learning a little bit about its production and stuff and why it wasn't nominated for any Oscars is because, like, they just the studio decided to not pursue it. Oh, I think why didn't they want to put all their eggs into, like, up in the air? Was it they had up in the air and oh fuck off.
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What was the other one. Paramount I can't remember. But like they, they it was going to be released in the fall, but then they decided that they were going to push these other two movies for the Oscars. So they moved it to like a February release the next year fall movie. It's like, so, it's Scorsese, it's this cast.
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It's. And I remember they were kind of marketing it, which I don't even know if it's true. I remember everyone saying like, oh, this is Scorsese's first horror movie, but I guess I don't know if that's totally true with like, Cape Fear especially, I guess. Yeah. What constitutes as horror? That's a whole other conversation, right? I guess maybe it's the most, like, overtly like it's it's such a throwback to like, old thrillers from the era from which this movie is made, like Barry hit Hitchcock.
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Obviously Scorsese is a huge fan of. Yeah. And he's clearly doing that. Everything's big and brassy and, Yeah, what a weird. I wonder where we were in 2010 in terms of just like Hollywood. Like maybe there was just like, more of a, an appetite for smaller indie dramas because we are in like, post Juno, you know, like right after Juno, everyone was doing like, the kind of, oh, I guess maybe I'm only saying that because up in the air is, is from Jason Reitman or Jason Reitman.
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How I Met Your Monster
Yeah, but yeah, maybe it was just an appetite thing, like, it was just people weren't gunning for it, but I don't know. I mean, people seem to love it. I, I feel like I see people in just like, random movie discourse. They put Shutter Island at the top of Scorsese's. Come on. Okay, okay. Boy, it's a very watchable movie, I guess I don't.
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How I Met Your Monster
Yeah, yeah, I like this movie, but it was a little hard for me to take seriously sometimes. For reasons that, you know, Zach and I will figure out if we're thinking the same thing soon, but also the end I really like. But I also just find it, I don't know, like the whole time, while they were going through all of this, I was just laughing in my head thinking about them.
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How I Met Your Monster
Just like playing along with this. Yeah. Mental patient, I don't know, it was just well, that's the thing is, I was wondering that too, because. Yeah, like, there is like it's like performance theater, like live theater for a couple nights. But then there's the idea of him, you know, kind of living in this, like, hallucination, essentially. Like, not all like what?
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How I Met Your Monster
What in this how far did they go? You know, because there wasn't a cave. I don't my belief is like you didn't climb into a cave to like, whether or not there was someone there or not, but like, right at what point where do you draw the line? That is still funny. You didn't to go with back. Yeah, but you know him.
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Like, what is he doing that he thinks he's in a cave. Where is he? Is he in a bathroom stall? Like talking to the toilet? You know, like, well, I. Okay, so, I would have loved it if they did, though. Where, like, they actually like paid actors to be, like, okay, you just sit in a cave. He's going to be there eventually, right?
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Yeah. He may not show up. We're not sure. But just be in character. It's like jury on Amazon. It's like the show. Just be in character 24 seven. You know, like all the fire in the movie, the matches, the fireplaces, the fire in the thing, like somebody read, I forget the guy's name, but I watched a YouTube video where he made a good point that like, the fire is like number one.
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She tried to burn down his ex-wife, tried to burn down. Let's say she's dead. It's not like they got dumped, but it's still like. So. Yeah. That's true. His late wife, she has X's on her eyes now because she. Yeah, she tried to burn down the apartment that they lived in. Right. And also, like, water is such a trigger for him because of how his kids were killed.
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And so, like, in that cave, this guy's take is at the fire. Wasn't even there. And he's like, you see his hands like, shaking, right? It's because he's cold. It's not because the drugs are wearing off or whatever. He took his kicking in like she says this because he's cold and there's no fire there. And so his hands are shaking.
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And I was like, oh, okay, that's interesting. That's an interesting, interesting take. So, Dolores, his weakness is fire. Teddy's ex is water. How can we use this?
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Funny. I love you, daddy. Oh, my God, that was that was good. Okay, I don't have a response to it, but I just I understand it, and that was from. I don't know if you remember Freddy versus Jason when. Laura. Oh, no, I don't care. Freddy's afraid of fire. Jason. Water. How can we shoot? First of all, like, I'm not gonna unpack that.
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There's just none of that is true. What gets Jason utilizes water all the time. Yeah, he loves baby. Didn't even drown because that's the whole point. Know not going. Gotta go there. He loves it. He's full of it. Yeah. So he's literally waterlogged. Yes. I, I thought the, I thought all of the fire stuff was because I didn't remember exactly what the.
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You know, I remembered that he was a patient, but I didn't remember all the extra stuff to it. I thought that it was to throw you that he tried to burn down the apartment because he always had matches. And I was like, he was always lighting stuff. Yeah. Why is he always around fire? Why is he always lighting my from my understanding, she tried to burn down the apartment, right?
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Because she know. I know she did, but I meant I mean, while you're watching the movie, I thought that it was to subvert you. You know what I mean? To kind of keep you all over the place about who he really is and what. Okay, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. It could be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck.
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There's so much to this movie. Oh, sure. There's some, like, metaphor there about, like, how you need fire to light the way to reach the truth. But fire's also the thing that brings him back to his past, and. Yeah, I tried to get Scorsese you on the front. Hey, Danny, can we, call up Scorsese real quick?
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Yeah. He's busy today. No, he's. Now we got to talk to Marty. Oh, shit. Sorry, I. I called Marty Supreme by accident. Oh, I have both of them right next to each other. In my context, it's Oscar Sunday that we're recording this. You don't think Marty Supreme is busy? He's. Oh that's right. Yeah, he's at the. He's at the Oscars.
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He's setting up his table tennis. So CC on the other hand, has no movies at the Oscars. So I'm going to leave him a nice, voicemail later. Yeah, it's a little early on a Sunday, so he's. Just give him some time. All right, well, guys, let's get into this. Let's head to the Boston Harbor. Boston harbor islands.
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How I Met Your Monster
Ash cliff. Ash. Ash cliff. Can she do it? Do some good. I'm okay. It was a good Boston accent. Please tell us that we're going to the Boston Harbor Islands. In 1954. Yeah, that's not it. That's not a thing. Where are we going? 5555 Defoe. Where are we going? We're going to Boston Harbor, the Boston Harbor islands.
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The Boston Harbor islands. Yeah, in 1954, 1954. There we go. Is it 54, 55, 54? It's like, like the soup, father. So. Yeah. That's for. Oh, like the soup. Yeah. Yeah, like I said, the soup. I thought you said soup. No soup. Oh, Sammy, you can't hear me because the. Yeah, yeah. That's my bad.
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Yeah. Let's go to the Boston Harbor Islands. Okay. Let's go.
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How I Met Your Monster
All right, so for Shutter Island, we have five official I'm going to call official quote unquote official monster reveals they're kind of all over the place because the movie's all over the place in terms of what's real and what's not. So, but before that, I'm going to read the synopsis, since this was my choice for our mind Fox triple feature two U.S. marshals are sent to a mental monster minstrel institution that shows.
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How I Met Your Monster
No, you got two men named Marshal are sent to a mental institution.
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How I Met Your Monster
Two US marshals are sent to a mental institution on an inhospitable island in order to investigate the disappearance of a patient. Whoever fucking wrote this? Not good. We don't like it, said an inhospitable hospital. Just like, just keep tripping us up. This is so fitting, though, for our trouble feature for mind fucks our minds are being fucked with.
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How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. Are you fucking with me? With my mind right now? No. Like the the the meat of that. The the meat of that synopsis is really good. It explains it really well, but it's just hard to read. Two U.S. marshals are sent to a mental institution on an inhospitable island in order to investigate the disappearance of a patient.
00;26;34;15 - 00;26;54;16
How I Met Your Monster
It's a tongue twister. Nailed it. But, yeah. So, like I said, a lot of this episode I kind of want to talk about, like, the fun things that you see. Yeah. It's fun. I don't want to give it away, but they're there. If you know the ending, you can see the clues. And one thing I know, Casey is dying to talk about this.
00;26;54;18 - 00;27;06;08
How I Met Your Monster
I couldn't take Leo seriously in the beginning of this movie, and I didn't know why until later, when you find out that his clothes don't fit him properly.
00;27;06;11 - 00;27;33;00
How I Met Your Monster
But he's like a toddler. Is coming. Yeah, I 50s, that was. I am so hell. But I'm so glad, though, that you and I had the same thought. Because that's what you don't see anybody else dressed like that? Like even Chuck's clothes fit him a bit better. He's got the oversize. And then later. Because later, when he's in his his orderly clothes, like the ones they give him, it's just like the way outfits.
00;27;33;07 - 00;27;58;22
How I Met Your Monster
Then I was like, oh, I'm taking him seriously now. Like, why is. And then it's like, oh, his clothes are too big for him in the beginning because he's just he's just like going to dress up two kids, like sitting at each other's shoulders to, like, sneak into the institution. The bottom one is Robert De Niro. He was in the movie a lot of a lot of cinephiles don't know that he actually did work with both of them in this movie.
00;27;58;24 - 00;28;15;07
How I Met Your Monster
I think that's what makes me realize why he couldn't do the cameo, because he was just like, I'm just overwhelmed. I just feel like it's like a lot of heavy lifting. Literally. There's like a behind the scenes video where you see, like Robert De Niro and Martin Scorsese, you like talking off, off to the side of the set, and they're like, it's like Marty, like, how am I going?
00;28;15;11 - 00;28;33;06
How I Met Your Monster
I'm playing the legs. How am I going to play the legs and play ladies in the in the. It's just not you want me to be the bottom and the top parts. I'm on the legs and the head. But you choose pick Alain, Marty. So funny. But yeah, that makes me very happy. His his his coat's too big for him.
00;28;33;06 - 00;28;52;02
How I Met Your Monster
So funny, I do him. You guys both, like, registered it. Yeah. So it's such like a profound way. I just did it just. Well. Right. Well, watch it again and you will not be able to unsee it. Yeah. They're huge. See, that's something I would love to see. Like if they did a spoof in, like, a scary movie thing where it says so shoulder perfectly big.
00;28;52;03 - 00;29;24;28
How I Met Your Monster
It's just like it's just swimming in it. No one would get it unless you like. Recently watched Shutter Island, right? Yeah, but that's pretty great. Yeah. We should probably also mention that when we kind of covered how these are not traditional monster reveals, we kind of landed on the fact that aside from one literal monster reveal, which in and of itself I feel like is worth discussing because I don't know if we want to come from a place of calling people with, mental health issues, monsters.
00;29;24;28 - 00;29;48;11
How I Met Your Monster
So just a loose representation of that word and for what the podcast is, a lot of the majority of the quote unquote monster reveals are sort of like manifestations of what Teddi slash Andrew is suffering from. So his his view of them as being a monster is kind of just him, sort of like unconsciously reflecting on himself.
00;29;48;13 - 00;30;11;16
How I Met Your Monster
Right? Yeah. And to say that, you know, it's you're speaking of Dolores, his late wife. It's like she did a monstrous thing. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, like you said clearly even he admits at the end where he was like I should have helped her. So there is this commentary on mental health especially, I mean, this movie set in 1954.
00;30;11;18 - 00;30;45;02
How I Met Your Monster
So you consider like how far we've come, right? And even then it's mental health is not sort of recognized as seriously in broader in a broader context as like a physical ailment is. Right. You could be put in a mental institution for. Yeah, anything. Yeah. But yeah, like even, Ben Kingsley's character says how even compared to 1954, the treatments that were being done to people who had mental health issues were literally like barbaric.
00;30;45;04 - 00;31;07;27
How I Met Your Monster
So his whole thing is there's so there is like an awareness, there's a whole thing of like what mental like caring for mental health and recognizing it and how you distinguish it from like how you distinguish someone who's suffering from a mental health, disorder or issue distinguishing that from someone who is doing something deliberate, you know.
00;31;07;27 - 00;31;29;16
How I Met Your Monster
And right. Therein lies like, because it's not a physical ailment, it's harder to identify, especially back then. Yeah. Yeah. You could yeah. Back in like, the early 1900s. I'm not sure how long this lasted, but you could be put in late 1800s, early 1900s. You could be put into an institution just for, like, reading, like women who read too many books.
00;31;29;18 - 00;31;56;11
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. Or like even being horny or being a woman in general. Hysteria or thinking like, yes, was hysteria. Yeah. Wow. Wild. Yeah. You know, humans, I love them. A lot of women would be put in there by their husbands if they accuse their husbands of something, they would. Yeah. We're just like constantly in this. You see it in so many different ways throughout time.
00;31;56;14 - 00;32;17;21
How I Met Your Monster
Really. It was like this idea of, like the Salem witch trials, you know, it's so much easier because everyone's guilty of something in some respect. No one's perfect. And the second someone feels like they may be, I don't know, found guilty of something or accused of something, the best defense is just accuse someone else or something worse to blame something.
00;32;17;21 - 00;32;41;11
How I Met Your Monster
Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's like, whoa, we're we're a little we're not all broken. But in a broader sense, there is a there is a brokenness to the way society kind of functions. Yeah. And, you know, going back a little bit, you talked about Ben Kingsley's character. He's set up through the movie to be like the mysterious, like mastermind, almost like, what's he hiding here?
00;32;41;13 - 00;33;03;08
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And really, he's the good guy. Yeah. Trying to do everything. I mean, this is a lot for someone to do to try to save you from a lobotomy. Yeah, yeah. And, like, not even just in terms of, like, the theatrics of it, but in terms of convincing everyone and his superiors like, Trust me, this is who, who don't agree with, you know, they want to know.
00;33;03;10 - 00;33;24;10
How I Met Your Monster
They want to do the other. They all agreed to do the other thing and like, yeah, to to be able to convince them. Do you think that's what do you think that shows up in certain characters like the, I'm sorry, the orderly. Is it an orderly or the guard? Who? McPherson. Is that his name? He's the one who meets them at the dock and he takes them and.
00;33;24;12 - 00;33;39;14
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Yeah. Yeah, he has this sort of like, you can read it as a guy who has, like, some sense of authority and is kind of milking it, but you can also read it as what the fuck can I do it like I could? I have so much work to do and I've got to play into this game because my boss said so.
00;33;39;14 - 00;33;57;11
How I Met Your Monster
So I'm going to be kind of ticked off by it. Yeah, there's so many like things that give it away when it enter in terms of that. So like you know, when he shows up to the island, all the guards are like looking at him kind of like, are we really doing this angrily? Well, well, we'll get to that part.
00;33;57;11 - 00;34;19;17
How I Met Your Monster
But like when they show up, they'll have their guns and they're kind of like looking at these two U.S. marshals, quote unquote, with these like, like concerning looks on their face. And because he is Teddy is will refer to him as Teddy throughout this episode. I you know, because it's confusing, but, he's like the most violent man on the island, the violent patient on the island.
00;34;19;19 - 00;34;42;09
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And so when he says, like, your guards are kind of on edge, whatever. And then Macpherson says, like, everybody's on edge right now as they drive away because, like, this guy is just, like, loose, right? And they're all kind of just on guard. And then to your point about, like them just like, why are we doing this in just a few minutes when they go out to, like, look for Rachel's cell?
00;34;42;09 - 00;35;01;16
How I Met Your Monster
Dano. And they're like, on the the, there's like the the search party as they're like, looking on the rocks and stuff and you see guards just like tossing stones into the water. And they're just like, literally just sitting down, just like, bored. And he's like, what are they doing? Like, what the fuck? They're not doing their job because they know they're just there to play a part.
00;35;01;16 - 00;35;21;24
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And they're like, this sucks. Like, let's get it over with. But you can frame it as like, look out. Like if only the the either they're on it or they don't care. And if only they put some effort in, maybe we could like, reach some sort of, conclusion here. But yeah, very good for a movie that because even when Cody was watching, my husband Cody was watching this with me.
00;35;21;26 - 00;35;37;21
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He was like, oh, wouldn't it be cool if, like, he was actually crazy and this was all like a ruse? And I was like, I was like, oh, no, what are you talking about, stupid? That's that'd be. But even worse than I have ever seen. Yeah. I was like, oh, like, oh, that's I had to play into it because if I deflected, it would be too obvious.
00;35;37;25 - 00;36;03;00
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Oh, that's a really fun idea. Yeah, but then he said he was like, no. After it still was a very satisfying movie because it's less about the twist, it's more about what they do with the twist and why the twist exists in the first place. Yes. Like, you know that that's true. It's it still works. Yeah. And even when you see him do stuff, when you when you see Teddy do something like authoritative, you see like either Chuck or doctor, Collie.
00;36;03;03 - 00;36;20;26
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Collie. They, they almost have like a little smirk on their face, kind of like you're really trying to, like dog, you know what I mean? And it's, you know, it's kind of sad and it's silly where it's like when you go back and watch it, they're like, oh, man, he's really into this. Yeah, that's another name for this movie.
00;36;20;26 - 00;36;38;28
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Could have just been like, it Takes a village and it just takes away what is it called? It takes about oh it's like oh it's called Shutter Village. Village. Yeah. It's it's a deep go. You have to kind of know it takes a village to. Yeah. What's, what's that an anagram of. Let's I want to figure that out.
00;36;38;29 - 00;36;52;20
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Yeah. And even like he, you know, like he doesn't have his own cigarets because he's a patient. They don't give him a cigaret. So like, he's always looking for his, his cigarets. And like, Chuck always has to give him one. Or even when Chuck, like, can't get his gun out of his holster. Do you guys notice that one?
00;36;52;20 - 00;37;14;24
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Yeah. Where? Because he's, you know, a psychiatrist, and he's supposed to be a US marshal for however many years. And when McPherson is like, you guys have to turn over your guns, he, like, struggles to get his gun out of the holster. And so he just takes off the whole holster and gives it to McPherson. And Teddy kind of looks at him like, okay, you're a marshal.
00;37;14;24 - 00;37;36;03
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Like, what are you doing here, you guys? I for some reason, I didn't put it together, but you see it. Oh, that's so funny. Yeah, you see it. There's so many clues throughout this movie that it makes it so good and rewatchable. You know what I mean? But I should note that our first reveal that we're going to talk about doesn't come until almost the halfway point, which is like an hour and 15 minutes.
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How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. And so there's a bit to talk about before that. So Teddy and Chuck, they start searching the island there. They go into God. It's kind of confusing. They go into Rachel's room. Right. Who is not a real patient. No is made up. And you know they're talking about like oh Rachel she thinks she lives in this in her house.
00;38;02;10 - 00;38;21;27
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She thinks all the people working here are just like delivery people and servicemen. And really that's Teddy. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's like oh my God. This is like a real I am the cheese movie I don't know I am the cheese. And so that's a book right. Yes. I think I've told you guys about it before.
00;38;21;27 - 00;38;37;27
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It's a book about a child in a mental institution who rides his bike around the yard, and he thinks he's riding his bike around his town. And so he's talking to all the patients. But, you know, it's like he goes to the bakery and he talks to the mailman and all this stuff, but they're just patients around the yard at the mental hospital.
00;38;37;29 - 00;38;56;12
How I Met Your Monster
Oh, dad. Never. I read it when I was in seventh grade. I think we might have talked about that during our Doctor Caligari episode. Oh, yeah. Probably because the you see at the end there, it's like in the in the yard and all the patients and yeah. Yeah similar. There's a, there's some like DNA threads between this and Caligari.
00;38;56;12 - 00;39;22;22
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. For sure. Same like bending down to like the. Yeah. Like even down to like there being a doctor sort of like he's the villain but in reality he's. What the hell is this a remake of The Cabinet of Doctor Caligari. God no. But to go back to what you're saying about like, then going into Rachel's room just so get back to that is this whole movie is sort of like, it's like, I was trying to think of the word for it's LARPing.
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So there's kind of let's, I think, Which is kind of fun. It's, Yeah. I mean, he he even says at the end there role playing. Yeah. Yeah. He says we put together this elaborate LARPing. We're Larp like custom foam sword they were going to do. It was like, okay, there, there was a whole like scene that's cut from the movie where they had to decide, like, what's the setting going to be?
00;39;45;06 - 00;40;01;27
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Should we do so? They obviously ended up on mental asylum. They were going to do like a medieval theme to like really stick with the LARPing. And but they ended up there like we got to Nick's at. It doesn't mean they went too deep, you know, you go too deep on an idea and then you're like, we've circled back, we're eating our own tail.
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A lot of people don't know that about this movie, but, yeah, thanks. That was what it was called, Shutter Village, because it was like a village. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, that oh, this is this when they they get the note, right. Yeah. Yeah. And was the purpose of the note I don't know. I don't know I think it's just a set up like the mystery.
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It's just like real events together so that when you could get the paperwork at the end and look at it himself. Yeah. Is that kind of what they wanted to happen there? I think it's just to kind of like, it's sort of like when you do a, escape room and they have to give you something to sort of like, what's the jumping off?
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Yeah, but you know, you're in the room, but like, what is in the room? That's kind of like just just to ask a question. Like literally they I don't know, it's almost it obviously it's done deliberately, but it's almost like bad writing in a sense, because when he gets there, they're like, oh yeah, they comb the room. In the second he goes in, he looks back on the bed and there's a thing sticking out.
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How I Met Your Monster
Like anyone would have noticed. It's just bad staging, but it's done intentionally to get him. And then it just asks the question, who is 67? Why would Rachel write that? You know, if she was really trying to figure something out, she would just stay. You know, there is a patient who blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. All right. So it is funny because when you watch this a second time, you're just watching like a bad escape room Larp session.
00;41;26;25 - 00;41;47;21
How I Met Your Monster
Well, yeah. Because but he wouldn't know that you're watching the game with Michael Douglas. It might. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I love the game. I love the But yeah. So these characters are like from Teddy's imagination. Right? From his. He just made them up. But also to get this whole scenario going, like you said, there have it's bad writing.
00;41;47;24 - 00;42;10;24
How I Met Your Monster
There's the somebody on the island has to write the script of like what's going to happen. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And so they're all doctors. Yeah. And they're just like okay. Like what kind of movies have we seen? You know, it's like they're in the 50s. So they're like The Cabinet of Doctor Caligari that. Yeah, I don't know. I just think it's funny that like to see them sitting around like writing what's going to happen?
00;42;10;24 - 00;42;34;18
How I Met Your Monster
Like, oh yeah, we can put a no. That's that makes the movie even more fun and clever because it would be kind of a bad. Yeah, of course. Cheap, obvious mystery. Because I wouldn't think because it's not like bad. Like it's not like cartoonishly like stupid. But it's. Yeah, it's it's a little under baked, which makes sense because he's got to go through and figure it out.
00;42;34;18 - 00;42;58;03
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And you go back right. Yeah. Is it a fun little movie? Yeah. So they just I guess I'm thinking, like, why did they set up a whole thing? Because I think he needs to be the one who realizes it himself. So he they know that his character that he has been manifesting. Is this Teddy, this detective, this marshal.
00;42;58;05 - 00;43;23;22
How I Met Your Monster
So he would then need to solve the clues, as in character in order to reach a realization. Because if they keep telling him it's just being it's not. He has no agency in that discovery. It's just being. They have the agency. They're they're projecting that to him. Yeah. Yeah. They say that at the end when he explains the whole role playing to him, he says, like, we set this up so that you could realize, like, you could see who you were.
00;43;23;22 - 00;43;45;14
How I Met Your Monster
You were supposed to read the paper and you just shoved it in your pocket. Yeah, kind of thing. Oh, I mean, yeah, I guess like, I, I understand like why it was happening, but the fact, like, I guess you know, like but where was it happening? Shutter village. Shutter village. Yeah. My question was just in like, you guys answered it, but like my question was like, why did they have to do things like make the clues and do everything?
00;43;45;17 - 00;44;03;08
How I Met Your Monster
But yeah, I, I see what you're saying, that he had to come to it on his own. I like to imagine there's another version of this movie where they're all kind of like watching from afar, and they're like, oh, he's going down the mountain. Oh, God, he's going down the cliffs. They actually are. Do we stop? If we stop him, we take him out of it and then like, yeah, oh, he met the rats.
00;44;03;08 - 00;44;25;06
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Oh he got bit by rat. Well, fuck his liabilities. If he died, probably wouldn't really be that. So like he's cured. Yeah. No more problems. Yep. Then Kingsley's character, Doctor Kyle, he's like, it worked. It works. Yeah. He died on the cliffs. He's not the wings anymore.
00;44;25;08 - 00;44;49;25
How I Met Your Monster
What about Doctor Nearing? Jeremiah nearing? Is that Max von Sydow? Who I forgot was in this movie? Yeah, everyone's in this movie. Which is. What other movie did we cover with him? We did Needful Things, and then we did, something before that. Another one with him? I can't remember the one. I didn't do the Exorcist dreamscape.
00;44;49;27 - 00;45;11;01
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What? What? Oh, yeah. He was in dreamscape. I knew that's what it was like before the name of the movie. But yeah, it was the first one I did with you guys. Yeah, I do, you guys. Spike. Yeah, he was in. Oh, first official because you were the first official, right? Yeah. There. His character was interesting. And, you know, you see him like you see Teddy kind of putting things together about how he could because he was in the war.
00;45;11;01 - 00;45;42;06
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And he starts you know, calling him a Nazi and all this stuff. And yeah, they don't hide. They everything that we need to know in this movie is like, give it to us directly. Flashbacks, war, wife trauma. It's just some of the things are maybe not in the right order, but then also, I guess you could say that, like, he then kind of hands off some of his, like, tragedy and, and some of the things from his past onto characters who don't exist.
00;45;42;06 - 00;46;06;10
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So yeah. Yeah. It's there. It's just it's, it's a little out of order. Yeah. And, you know, he calls them, he calls them men of violence. He said, I didn't call you a violent man. I said you were, You are men of violence. So it's like it's. They're victims of violence and are there for. Which is such a way to which is like it.
00;46;06;18 - 00;46;28;13
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It makes sense that a doctor who deals with mental health would say that because it's like you are not you because of your inherent, I don't say shortcomings, but what what have you. It's because of what you had to deal with. It's what the world put you through. You became this. Which is probably, maybe why they're giving him an easier time in giving him this.
00;46;28;13 - 00;46;43;01
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Because he is a victim. You know, not only was he in the war and had to face all that atrocity, the Masters, kids and Adam kill his wife. I didn't say you were a bitch. I said you're acting.
00;46;43;04 - 00;47;12;08
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Yeah, yeah. Because speaking a good actor, speaking of, like, him losing his wife and kids and all that stuff, like, now we get to his dream sequence where he, like, sees the fake Rachel and the the girl in the pile of bodies in the concentration camp. Yeah. Good lord. Yeah, this was fucked up. It's so good.
00;47;12;08 - 00;47;41;29
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He does not pull its punches. Yeah. No. And she, like, wakes up and she's like you, why didn't you save me? Which again, is a great way to throw us off because obviously, spoiler alert, that's his daughter. Well, it we're we're being given everything, but just again, in the wrong context. So it's like, oh, it would make sense that, like, clearly he's haunted by this, by his experience in the war and what he is.
00;47;41;29 - 00;48;10;26
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But that's not the that's not where the story is. But you guys, I got this wrong. This dream sequence isn't where he sees that this dream sequence that I know, I know I fucked it is that later he sees that later this dream is seeing who we know to later to be Dolores. In the apartment, the burning and like the ashes start falling down and you see that like her back is burned.
00;48;10;26 - 00;48;43;28
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And then he hugs her and she starts to like, yeah, like the water is dripping and it's bloody and all that stuff. And she's like, you got to let me go. And he's like, I can't. Also very heartbreaking. Yeah. There's a that shot, that scene where she's he's hugging her from behind and she, you know, Burns. It's, it's apparently inspired by a well, actually kind of like directly recreation of this famous painting called The Kiss by Gustav Klimt.
00;48;44;00 - 00;49;08;13
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Did he ever look it up? Well, posted on Instagram, it's pretty beautiful. Yeah, it's it's very sad. It's, I love when fucking filmmakers do that, just like classic artwork and recreate it in like a scene. Like we said earlier, it's like, oh, this is Martin Scorsese's horror movie. Even her dress. Let's see. I'm having fun. Yeah. It's like, oh yeah, almost 1 to 1.
00;49;08;15 - 00;49;36;10
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Yeah. Oh, I mean, it's very intentional. Like it's not like a coincidence. It was. It was he did this on purpose. But that's just the thing of like when you get any great filmmaker or artist attached to something that is already, I don't know, he has such a unique way to tell this type of story that is clearly so inspired by other horror movies or thrillers, and in this case, just like seemingly random works of art.
00;49;36;12 - 00;49;55;27
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But that's what differentiates this type of movie being directed by Scorsese from just anyone else or any other type of, you know, for lack of a better term, like throwaway horror movie or movie in general. So it just makes it the return. The rewatch value is higher, the Art of God. There's a moment later that I really want to talk about.
00;49;55;29 - 00;50;16;02
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It's during the scene when Teddy and, Chuck are talking to the other patients. Where are there are things I think I would imagine are kind of deliberately implanted into the movie to make us feel crazy. And I kind of want to go back again to watch it, to see if I missed anything else. Yeah, I don't know.
00;50;16;02 - 00;50;45;11
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It's it's nice to be in good hands with, like a director, because, you know, they're not just doing this as, like, a throw away project. It's. It means something. They're going to give it substance that maybe isn't even, like, obvious on a first watch. Yeah, yeah. Well, apparently this was, you know, him and Leo were planning something else that, like, financially fell through and then this just this script kind of just landed on Scorsese's desk, and he, like, read it twice.
00;50;45;14 - 00;51;12;11
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Yeah. This was not like the project that they set out to do, but it ended up happening. It was a project they were, to do. Yeah, exactly. And, you know, you we talking about this the painting that is kind of recreated in this scene. It makes me think about these recent this this recent Timothee Chalamet drama where he says, you know, I'm not going to do opera or ballet or something, something that nobody cares about that people don't know.
00;51;12;11 - 00;51;47;00
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We're going to see it. Nobody cares about it anymore. And then he got like major pushback from that. And, I'm not I don't want to comment on whether he was right or wrong or whatever, but it's just like some actors might just have this, this field of vision where it's like movies, movies, movies, movies, movies, movies, movies, movies, movies, when really it's like all these other art forms can inspire and do all these other kinds of things that, like, I just it's just it's a it's a bummer because whether or not he said it in a way that was meant to be, maybe he, you know, sometimes you say things you don't like fully
00;51;47;00 - 00;52;05;24
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mean, but in the in the moment you kind of maybe have a higher opinion of that subject or topic. Oh yeah. And I don't like I'm not, you know, when you're on like the world stage, you can't screw up. You can't even like misspeak in this in the day of the internet. Yeah. And you're just like, oh shit, I shouldn't have said that.
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Like, I don't really mean that. Shouldn't I said it? But but it's it's out there. It's done. And so like that. I'm not trying to I'm not criticizing him for saying that or, you know, because we all make mistakes and stuff. But it's just the fact that, like, these art forms that, yeah, maybe people don't think about, like maybe the most like, don't punch down, you know, like, don't ever punch it.
00;52;27;14 - 00;52;44;01
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Yeah. Don't make spread it because, yeah, the influence is there in ways that maybe isn't isn't on the surface isn't surface. And it wouldn't exist. Movies don't exist without these other forms. So why are we discrediting. What are we doing? Like don't. Yeah. And then it will be like this movie he's pumping in these references that maybe even go over our head.
00;52;44;01 - 00;53;08;16
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But they do hold some value artistically because of what they represented in this other art form. So it makes it that much more interesting to kind of give it new life here. And you get like Tarantino, who's very famous for like homages in movies where he, like directly pulls from other movies and puts like, basically just like recreates stuff and puts it in his movies and then whatever.
00;53;08;16 - 00;53;28;01
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But then you get a, you get a, you get informed, I guess, of these other things where it's like, yeah, that was the point was like, I was inspired by this. I'm going to recreate it so that you can experience these other things too. And, you know, Scorsese does it with not just Scorsese, you, but in this scene we're talking about a Scorsese.
00;53;28;01 - 00;53;50;20
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Yeah. In this scenario, he does it with artwork where it's like, how many people now have seen that painting, that piece of art because of this? Yeah. He becomes a historian. He's like, yeah, an archeologist of art and art geologist. Oh my God, I see. But there is Martin Scorsese, the Indiana Jones of directors. Oh boy is, but his name is Phil.
00;53;50;21 - 00;54;17;18
How I Met Your Monster
We're gonna have a bone to pick with that. Yeah. Oh, bones to pick. Trees. Park. You said that he's a paleontologist of directors. Yeah, the paint and allergies. You know what? I'm glad we didn't get off course. Okay, well, we're actually in a point in the movie right now where. Danny, I think you just mentioned it, a few minutes ago that we can talk about it.
00;54;17;20 - 00;54;39;14
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It's the, kind of like the interrogations, I guess, in the. They're sitting in the cafeteria and they're talking to these patients. There's a lot that happens in these scenes that. Danny, I think you said, like, kind of fuck with your brain. Mind fuck. If you notice the water scene, the water. Yeah, yeah. Where the cup disappears after so weird sip of it and.
00;54;39;14 - 00;54;54;23
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Yeah, but she holds it up to drink it and then it's not. Yeah. Oh yeah. And then it goes to get her a glass of water. She picks it up to take a sip. When they do the closeup of her, she's not holding the water. And then she sets it down on the table and the cup is there.
00;54;54;26 - 00;55;19;12
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Is that like Teddy kind of blocking out the water because he hates. He doesn't like water. Oh, fucker. That's true. That's a creep, right. Oh that's interesting because then when is it just. Yeah. Is it there to have a purpose or is it there just to be like, hey, because Thelma Schoonmaker. Schoonmaker. Scorsese he's kind of like career long editor.
00;55;19;14 - 00;55;37;23
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Is sort of like the she's at the peak of like when you think of film editors. So she's clearly everything she's doing is like hyper intentional. Yeah. So is she doing it because they're trying to project like a character thing. Or is it just like a sneak these little let's have some fun, like let's kind of like, fuck with people's heads.
00;55;37;23 - 00;55;57;10
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. I rewound that part. Yeah. Me too. I didn't catch it. Admittedly, Cody was like, what the hell was that with the water? And I was like, put it on. And then and the way it's it's like the way the the camera's framed, like when we're looking at her, it's kind of like we're in Teddy's perspective, right? Talking to her.
00;55;57;12 - 00;56;18;12
How I Met Your Monster
And so that's when you don't see the water. And when she puts it down, the camera's like over her shoulder, kind of looking down where it's like where somebody else in the room, like looking, you know, that's when we see the glass. So yeah I think in Wyatt it's like him just like blocking out. Yeah. That could be just as simple as like he's a character who's seeing things that aren't there.
00;56;18;19 - 00;56;47;06
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Yeah. Vice versa. Yeah. It's not just like a very. Yeah. Like it's just like look it's there and then it's out there. Yeah. Do you feel a little nutty. Yeah. That's the. Yep. But at the end did you notice that when it's when there's patients on the screen there's a guard behind them. And so when Teddy's on the screen you see a guard off to over his shoulder in the background when the patient that he's interviewing is on screen, there's a guard behind them.
00;56;47;09 - 00;57;14;05
How I Met Your Monster
When it cuts to Chuck, who's actually doctor in. Yeah, there's no guard because he's doctor. She's. That's fun. That woman is also terrified. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Because she's the thing the most violent. Are the person punished? Yeah. Yeah, I think they're being coached because when Teddy brings up doctor, she. And she has to talk about him and he's right there.
00;57;14;07 - 00;57;33;24
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So she kind of like looks off to the side. She's like, she looks at Chuck. And then the camera cuts to Chuck. And then when it comes back, she's like, I forget what she says, but she talks about Doctor Sheen, because even the point when she says she writes down run on the paper is that just in, you know, when you reflect on it, it doesn't mean anything.
00;57;33;24 - 00;57;59;01
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Or is she kind of talking to him as a patient like something's wrong? Yeah, like patient to patient. Get the fuck out of here. Or was that part of the script? Right. Because he's supposed because he has these delusions that they're doing really bad things on the island. Yeah. Because later when they get just in a little bit, you know, Chuck says when they're outside in the in the storm, Chuck's like, that lady said something to you in that room.
00;57;59;01 - 00;58;25;19
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And Teddy's like, no she didn't. Yeah. He's like, no, she wrote it. And he has her The Notebook and it says, right, you know what I meant. Yeah. You know, we're in a storm. Don't give me your notebook. Just tell me. Please don't. But those characters come back when things are starting. Like Chuck has disappeared, and Teddy comes in and they come out of, like, a room with, like, a bunch of doctors and do you know what scene I'm talking about?
00;58;25;22 - 00;58;47;15
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Is that where we see Robin Bartlett's character, the one with the water? She's, like, really upset. She's kind of crying. She's kind of crying. And then, like, Doctor Callie. Then Kingsley is like, you don't have a partner. You came here to this island alone? Yeah. In that scene, you've got the two interrogated patients who are, like, back there, and they're kind of giggling.
00;58;47;15 - 00;59;06;00
How I Met Your Monster
And the doctors and the orderlies are like, don't look at them. Don't look at them. Did you pick up on that? Now that you're saying and I'm like, fuck, how didn't I pick up on that? Yeah. So they're saying, you know, like, don't look at him like, were the game still going, don't give it up bro. Attention to yourself.
00;59;06;00 - 00;59;32;03
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We're almost done. It's just it's well goddamn. Anyway, this movie gets better on Rewatches. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Watch it again. Now knowing, you know, since I knew the end, but obviously I didn't. But now knowing more. Yeah. So in this show about monster reveals, have we gotten to our first monster reveal? No, we haven't. We? Let's do it.
00;59;32;08 - 00;59;53;06
How I Met Your Monster
Oh, we should do it. We're going to do it now. Our first monster reveal finally, in this movie. Teddy and Chuck are in a crypt. The crypt tails. This is this is essentially tales from the crypt. We talked about this in our tales from the crypt episode, where there was going to be another one. I think it was From Dusk till dawn.
00;59;53;06 - 01;00;12;07
How I Met Your Monster
Right. It was planned to be part of, yeah, from dusk till Dawn and death Becomes Her. And, this would know the Shutter Island is actually supposed to be the fifth. Shutter Island is the 67th movie in the tales from the crypt franchise.
01;00;12;09 - 01;00;35;04
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There were 66. This is the 67, Danny. That was it. That Leo impression was spot on. Oh, is that what that was? Yeah. Yeah. Many people don't know this, but Shutter Island is the 60. It was supposed to be the 67th tales from the crypt episode, and Leo did put up a fight, and he he channeled another character.
01;00;35;04 - 01;00;56;07
How I Met Your Monster
He's like, I'm going nowhere. I'm not going anywhere. I don't know what the line is from Wolf of Wall Street, but something to that effect. I was inspired. I will say, Danny, you're 67. You're 67, 67. Impression was a lot better than your Wolf of Wall Street. Your Shutter Island, Leo was better than you were. You're right.
01;00;56;09 - 01;01;07;18
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You know, it's. I think I'm in the Boston headspace now. I'm still in Massachusetts. That's in New York. Character. Yeah. It's wires got crossed.
01;01;07;21 - 01;01;28;13
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This, this storm was a little bit too overdone. It felt performative. It felt it was in on the bit side. Yeah, yeah. But also, like, they wouldn't be able to go outside in that, right. There was a literal tornado in front of them. Like it was literally was it all in his head? That was the storm. I just thought about that.
01;01;28;13 - 01;01;49;18
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I was like, was it a little like, right, maybe there was a storm, but it was actually because they told him the storm was really bad. So it's like he made this storm. So, okay, so just to get back on track for just a minute, this is our first official monster reveal. This is Teddy and Chuck in the crypt in the the graveyard that is out on the island.
01;01;49;21 - 01;02;14;20
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They go into this thing and Teddy kind of reveals what he thinks is going on in this bad hospital and why he's actually there. He talks about this, and he says, like, I'm actually here to to find him, and he's the one who set fire to our. Yeah. And I think this is when also when he talks about like killing all the guards at the concentration camp when he was in the war.
01;02;14;22 - 01;02;34;14
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And he says, like, I'm going to blow the lid off this place. I'm going to expose everybody. So that's where we are in this reveal. Now, back to the storm. There's a good case to be made for that. It is in his head later in just a little bit. When the storm ends, you see all the wreckage in the like the yard, right?
01;02;34;17 - 01;03;03;10
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When him and when him and Chuck are about to go into, they're about to sneak into Ward C and there's like, trees falling down, there's limbs everywhere. And then just the next day, in terms of the story, the next day, everything is pristine. Yeah. In the yard at the very end of the movie, when he's, like about to go off, be lobotomized, be lobotomized, the yard is perfectly all the flowers are there.
01;03;03;10 - 01;03;34;20
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Everything is really well kept up. So that kind of. Yeah, I think it's fair to say all of that destruction from the broken trees and everything, it's just in his head. Storm is in his mind, strong. The storm is in your mind. You know what's interesting about the scene that I didn't think about? When they're in the crypt, Teddy has a moment of kind of, like, grounded self-awareness, where he says, you know, like us shooting those guys was murder.
01;03;34;22 - 01;04;01;04
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He was like, we. That was not the way you're supposed to do things. So it's interesting for a character like him who's so far removed from himself to have such a clear memory and, of, like, such a horrific thing, but then also to know that what he did was wrong. So it's almost like when you rewatch it, you're like, oh, there is space for him to, quote unquote, heal, you know, to come out of this.
01;04;01;06 - 01;04;26;20
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So he's that totally. Well, actually, no. What am I saying like that confirms that ties with the ending, because it's the whole point is that he does come to a point of rationalization so that he can then actively commit himself to this procedure. Oh, shit. God, what a great little movie. Well, because everything up until his what happened to his wife, the tragic stuff that happens at the cabin.
01;04;26;22 - 01;05;01;15
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Like after after all that happened, that's what he would have blocked out and right. Changed everything before that, he would have remembered what I thought I was. Yeah, that's a good point. So I'm sure he had PTSD and stuff. Yeah. Work. But yeah. But yeah, he basically thinks they're doing like mind control experiments and they're working with the communists and even like starts to reference or I guess it's later they referenced that, you know, in the same way that Hitler wanted to control like the Jewish population, Shutter Island or Ash Cliff rather is doing that to its patients.
01;05;01;15 - 01;05;27;11
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It's the same idea of like, a central power using it's or just collecting its victims essentially for personal gain to, to do with it whatever they wish to do with them, whatever they wish. Yeah. That's what he thinks is that is going. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like it's then the movie comes turns from you're so focused on that now you're like, oh, there are fucking with him.
01;05;27;11 - 01;05;48;06
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So it's, it's a great way to because even if you do start to have a suspicion of like, is this like a sixth sense scenario, is it in his head or is it not what we think? He's not who we think. They then just reroute you with like, no, no, no, no, focus on this now. Yeah. Just good storytelling because then well they really sell it with Chuck.
01;05;48;08 - 01;06;08;28
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Who like really buys into it and really starts playing the part where he's like, you think that you just happened to get a call to come here to a case on Shutter Island like they wanted you here. You know he really sells it and you're looking at them. They're looking at you. Yeah. Oh man. And I'm looking at you and you're looking at me.
01;06;08;28 - 01;06;29;19
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A psychologist is trying to make his his patient feel even more bonkers in there. Yeah. Looks like he's he's buying into it. So he's playing into it so much that like, maybe he wanted to maybe Chuck maybe Doctor Sheehan also want it to be an actor. Like when he was a kid. So he, like, he helped write the script for this, like scenario.
01;06;29;19 - 01;06;49;06
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It's my moment. It's just this time he's like, I could have been a contender. It's like, wait, wait, was this movie even out? Yeah. What are you talking about? But, you know, if the storm really is in his mind, there's no, like, wind blowing or rain. And he's just, like, screaming. He's just really, like, really low.
01;06;49;08 - 01;07;18;04
How I Met Your Monster
And then the door busts open and it's Macpherson, but. Or. Oh no, the door burst open. It's the fucking. It's the Crypt Keeper coming up from his thing. Hello? Kitty's. That would be fun. That would be fun. Okay, so now this is where after they get taken back into the the, they go back to the, the ground, the hospital grounds in their wet and, McPherson's like, guys go get cleaned up and so they have to go take showers.
01;07;18;04 - 01;07;37;12
How I Met Your Monster
And when they do that, like here, we don't have any more clothes for you. Put on these orderly uniforms and so that's know that's when, you know, he's in there now. Now I can take him seriously. Yep. So now that his clothes, this is where the movie really begins, that his shoulder pads are up to his ears.
01;07;37;14 - 01;07;59;23
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He's like David Byrne in fucking, stop making sense. You know, the Talking Heads video, he's got the bag. So I was gonna say he's like, one of the. What are the creatures called in the Super Mario Brothers movie? Like the Goombas, the Little heads, and like, the big bodies? Oh, yeah. And that's the scene. Yeah. The Goombas in the in the movie with like.
01;07;59;26 - 01;08;17;22
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Yes. Hopper. Yeah. Dennis Hopper I love that movie. It's so stupid. We could do that on the show this time. I really do love that movie. Yeah, we love it. It's just a couple of years ago, we I bought it on DVD because we couldn't find it. So we went to the used DVD store and we bought one so me and Samuel could watch it.
01;08;17;23 - 01;08;39;23
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It's fun. Love it. I always associated that movie with the movie Double Dragons. Yes. Never just go statically like the same absolute. Kind of like the same. Absolutely. That was a weird little what was that, like 93? Something like that. I know Double Dragon has like, that weird like guy who's like, so muscular that he's like, gross. Yeah.
01;08;39;23 - 01;08;58;26
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I mean, he's like, he's like, his head's so small and his muscles are like, huge. Like, just like Teddy in this movie, it's a little head and a big body. So this is where. So they go back, they're in their orderly uniforms, and then they go into Rachel's room and they're like, oh, we found her. We found Rachel.
01;08;58;26 - 01;09;22;02
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She's alive. Here she is. And, you know, like, they look at her, they look at her feet and they're like, clean. Because Chuck earlier was like, oh, she had she left here with no shoes, like how far is she going to get? And so Teddy kind of sees that and he's like, okay, what's going on here? Did you guys set up this giant elaborate rope and realize who I actually am for giving me a lobotomy?
01;09;22;04 - 01;09;30;17
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I just want to stop right here. We're not laughing our way. This is wild. Just want to check before I go any further.
01;09;30;19 - 01;09;49;04
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Yeah. She gives this whole thing about, like, killing her kids, and, you know, does she talk about killing her kids? They say that she killed the kids. Oh, she's talking about him being the husband who should be dead. Like, how are you here? You're dead. Yeah. Now, that mental patient is a great actress. Well, she's a nurse.
01;09;49;04 - 01;10;10;07
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She's a nurse. Oh that's righteous. Yeah. Yeah. She's a great it's funny enough. Yeah. Exactly. No matter how you spin it it's funny she commits that's who. That's who. Mark Russell this character wishes. Yeah. He stormed out of the car. He was like thank you so much Thunder. This is he thought he performance lined up and then he saw her give that and he's like damn it.
01;10;10;12 - 01;10;49;11
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It could have got so much bigger in the crypt. Yeah I want like inside the Actor's Studio. Like off set of this movie where it's just all the employees talking about their performance and, like, inspiration. Like, I just don't believe, the way we interact to it. It doesn't make sense. I don't believe it. Well, they do the the the doctor she and look thing in, in an earlier scene where they're talking to all the orderlies, all the staff were like, in this room, and he's talking to the one nurse and he mentions doctor, she and and she looks off to the side again to where Chuck would be in the room to kind
01;10;49;11 - 01;11;13;17
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of be like, okay, Doctor Sheen's right there. I need to talk about him to this patient who's playing this game. You know, it's kind of weird to talk about somebody while they're in the room sitting there. It's kind of just like talking about your boss basically saying like, okay, what do I say here? To not get him mad at me and also play the thing and play the part that's for this movie.
01;11;13;17 - 01;11;39;04
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So fun actually. Like, yeah, it's such a grim story, but the mechanics of it are really fun. Let's see. He gets a migraine, they give him more pills. This is where he's like. He's like, they lay him down in the on the court and he sees the warden. So this is kind of like we're introduced to the warden, who seems like he's going to be a much bigger character.
01;11;39;07 - 01;12;00;11
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It seems like he's going to come back and he just down to, like, be more of a threat. What's his name? Ted Levine playing him because, as the, Yeah, this movie is. Can somebody say candy cane right now? Candy cane again? Rusty. Thanks. Anyone out there? No. Candy cane. Would you fuck me? Candy cane?
01;12;00;17 - 01;12;19;16
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I'd fuck, I did okay. We definitely did that. Did our tour. And did you fuck me with the candy cane? With the candy cane? Or for that, there was a girl who did that, and it hurt her very badly. She's one of the really big dinner games. One of the really big candy canes. Yeah. You know, they make the candy canes.
01;12;19;16 - 01;12;36;20
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They're like that big around. Like, I mean, to be fair, a candy cane is like, I would consider that pretty big, right? I mean, that's like pretty girthy in the grand scheme of things like, in the regular sense.
01;12;36;22 - 01;12;46;13
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Like, even the shape just feels like. Right? You know, like the big curved, like, there's a line and then there's, like a candy cane.
01;12;46;15 - 01;13;09;27
How I Met Your Monster
Oh my God. Oh, God. Yeah. Ted Levine, he's the warden. Okay. This is where the dream sequence that I mentioned earlier. This this is that we're in it. He sees ladies in front of the fire. That's our second reveal. This is our second monster reveal because we've finally, now seen. Obviously, Teddy is latest. We find out later.
01;13;10;00 - 01;13;28;28
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But in terms of his his imagination, this is the case. He tells Chuck earlier. He's like, actually, I requested this case because I'm here to get this guy, which in itself, like looking back is like, again, it feels I mean, this I don't mean this for the movie. I just mean like for how he's telling the story in his head.
01;13;28;28 - 01;13;43;22
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It's like bad writing. Yeah. You know, it's kind of corny. It's like, oh, you're here for that. But you just so happen to request it because the guy who did the thing just so happens to be there. And then at a it's all this the convenient factor. So it's as the audience, it should be like, what? No, let's.
01;13;43;22 - 01;14;08;19
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There's no way that this is all just happening and there's a disappearance. And he was like, what? Waiting for that moment to present itself. And he's saying that he's saying that in his big jacket. And so it's kind of like this. Every time it cuts away, the jacket gets bigger and bigger. Bigger and bigger is lost in it, which is funny because, you know, I said, like, I didn't take him seriously till he got his orderly outfit on.
01;14;08;21 - 01;14;28;03
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But and, you know, honesty, I think I started taking him seriously in the crypt because the rain has, like, soaked his jacket down. So it's like it's so it's lighter. It looks more fitting when he's in there because it's so weighted down with water. And I'm like, okay, now I get it. I love how this has taken over.
01;14;28;03 - 01;14;57;25
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Like the so like the main focus of this episode is just his wardrobe. I'm sorry. It's funny. Go back and watch the water. It's funny. But Oh, you had said something that, something about. We said something setting up latest. It doesn't matter. It's fine. What about the scar? Well, that's the thing is, like, latest is such a caricature of a villain.
01;14;57;27 - 01;15;19;23
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So that when we meet him, it's like, of course he's the monster. Yeah. You know, it's like his his huge stitches that, like, wouldn't really be. Yeah. And why are they still fresh? And. Yeah, he's got two different colored eyes. He says, and and he's, he's talking about LARPing. He's his character is Robert De Niro from Taxi Driver.
01;15;19;25 - 01;15;47;20
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah, but did you know that he talks about the scar going across his face? And if you look, Teddy has a scar on his, his, on his eyebrow. Like a big scar that you see throughout the movie. That's interesting. So he's like, they're the same taking. They might be. He's taking, like, all these things and, you know, building this character.
01;15;47;22 - 01;16;14;05
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But that's our second reveal in the same dream sequence. We get our third reveal, which is Rachel the the Rachel one, I guess, Emily Mortimer version. Yeah. And she's covered in blood, and she brings in, like, her dead bloody kids and lays him on the, ground. This is, like, the most obvious representation of how he's conflating memory with, like, things these characters he's met.
01;16;14;05 - 01;16;42;01
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Because obviously, like, you go back, it's like, this is a nurse. He's seeing her as his wife who killed the kids. But these kids are kind of also tied to maybe who he's actually talking to is one of the victims that was in his memory from the war. And he's conflating those two. It's a very it's a neat way to to give us context as the audience, without giving anything away to, directly.
01;16;42;03 - 01;16;55;08
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Sure. I guess. Yeah. So little true crime thing here. Oh, yeah. True crime. Well, it true I mean, I love it, but the I love that we need more true crime.
01;16;55;11 - 01;17;18;09
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In 2001, in Texas, there was a woman named Andrea Yates to drown her five children. Oh, Jesus. Is this. Oh, God. I think you mentioned her. I did recently in this in our last in seven. In the seven. Did she do it because God told her to or. Yeah, or something like that, but, yeah. And then so in this movie, obviously.
01;17;18;09 - 01;17;38;13
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Yeah, I guess I'm going to talk about it again. But you know, the drowning her children thing was obviously similar, but she also was found not guilty by reason of insanity. Which also his wife was mentally ill. So yeah, that's all. Oh, God. It's really go into it in this do they. But they don't say like why she did it.
01;17;38;15 - 01;17;58;03
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They say she's mentally ill, but they can say it, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Which is interesting because of course we don't know. We have no context even considering the fact that she had something wrong with her is the fact that she was never given treatment. So there is no no one explored it. I'm sure she never asked about it.
01;17;58;03 - 01;18;17;20
How I Met Your Monster
She never opened up about it. No. Doctors never had a chance to, you know, dig deeper into it. Well, yeah, he just took to the bottle and, like, stayed away. Yep. So of course you see it as like, no matter how you spin it, like she is just a villain because she never added no one helped her. There is no change.
01;18;17;21 - 01;18;45;22
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She's a to she's a victim. No, I just mean like they paint her as a villain, but she is in a sense, like a victim. Oh, I see, okay. But then what she did is so horrific that it's hard to distinguish the two. It's just. Yeah. It's messy. It's just so sad. Yeah. The like, I was watching this and I was just, you know, all this stuff that we're talking about now and seeing it in the movie, the mind is such a fragile thing.
01;18;45;24 - 01;19;14;12
How I Met Your Monster
It's just insane, you know? All it takes is one thing to happen, and you can just, like, you're fucked up for the rest of your life. But what was I watching? It wasn't this movie, was it? There were. But I think know there is this line that I heard recently and it was referring to cancer, and it talks about how like something as small as an acorn can completely destroy or, or even smaller can just like completely destroy the body were so fragile.
01;19;14;15 - 01;19;31;26
How I Met Your Monster
But we're also not. That's true. We're just a wild bird with Will. Only if you have Ben Kingsley in your corner and he's like yeah what if, what if, what if, what if. Well no we laugh I mean seriously because there are a lot of other true crime stories that I see where it's like, that person should fucking be dead.
01;19;31;29 - 01;19;51;15
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah, but somehow they're not, you know. Oh, like a victim of somebody's crime. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Some people are bad. So what if we're all laughing. Well I guess you know that gets into the whole like we're in a simulation thing. So Truman Show we're all watching news like yeah. Don't you know that's, that's why you, it's your show.
01;19;51;15 - 01;20;11;05
How I Met Your Monster
So I don't know. You're the monster. And I watched you being born. Whoa. I didn't really exist after the movie was. I was like, wouldn't it be wild? Because they say people who are. I don't mean to use this in a derogatory term just because this is how it's said. But like when people say like people who are crazy don't realize are crazy.
01;20;11;10 - 01;20;23;24
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah, yeah, I said that to Cody after the movie. I was like, why don't they just be like, wild? And he said, well, you wouldn't know. So like in a sense, and they kind of touch on that in the movie is like, it's sort of like ignorance is bliss. Yeah. I was like, oh my God. I was like, would you tell me if I was?
01;20;23;24 - 01;20;41;01
How I Met Your Monster
And he's like, he's like, oh, Danny, you're fine. Everything's okay. You're okay. Just watch the movie. You're okay. And I was like, oh, I saw it. I was like, you're fucking with me. And he was like, he's like, hey, I love you no matter what, okay? Just relax. And he was like, just totally committed to the bit. I was like, you fucker.
01;20;41;06 - 01;21;07;00
How I Met Your Monster
He's like, doctor shit. And he really went ahead. You know, after I watched The Truman Show, I was like, really scared to masturbate. That's our person. That's on me right now. When I saw The Truman Show, I couldn't wait to masturbate. Yeah. Everybody was like, oh, this is you guys want to show? It's like, why is he turning on the lights?
01;21;07;02 - 01;21;31;10
How I Met Your Monster
Then why did you create only fans when The Truman Show, too? Yeah. That's funny. Oh, we're. Are we in our reveals here? Oh, Could see. Yeah. So basically, we could we're jumping again. A lot of the reveals are kind of just like, back to back to some extent. Yeah. This is so our third reveal is there's like a patient in this when they get in there that is loose.
01;21;31;12 - 01;22;08;15
How I Met Your Monster
Okay. Question. They talk about the we say the storm is in his head. Or the severity of the severity of the storm is in his head. There's patients running wild. Is that did they let them out. Did they did the power really go out. And are they really running wild. Basically I'm wondering like is this guy was he let loose to get beat up to get to the dentist to play the part or did like the power really go out and he like has to get them I don't know.
01;22;08;18 - 01;22;36;22
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. Yeah. That's a good question. You know, whether he's a monster or not. We carried him because he is like a threat to Teddy in this. In this scenario. This is also the first time that Teddy gets left alone. Yeah. Is it so that he can have this conversation with, I think, George. Nice. Which is, I hate to say his name because I just I just feel like I said noise.
01;22;36;24 - 01;23;01;23
How I Met Your Monster
Noise? Yeah. I thought his name was George. Nice. George. Nice. And it's just the accent. It's noise. Yeah. It's noise. Noise. Jack. Earl. Haley. Yeah. Great performance in this. He was hitting a stride in that area. He did Little Children, which got him the Oscar nomination. Then he did, my favorite Nightmare on Elm Street movie.
01;23;01;25 - 01;23;27;25
How I Met Your Monster
Oh, yeah. Well, that's the that. You know, Freddy, I think subconsciously I mentioned his performance was so good in this because he does get such a bad rap after he did. Yeah. They were on Elm Street, which was the same year. Oh my God. So in the same year that Leo did a movie about dreams, Jack Haley did a movie the same year about nightmares were which are also dreams, just bad ones.
01;23;27;27 - 01;23;52;07
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. So if you got nightmares on one hand and you got dreams on the other hand, is Shutter Island reality in the middle? No, it's not. Oh wait, there's a Venn diagram. Yeah. Event. Yes, there's a Venn diagram. Yeah. We have dreams, nightmares and then shutter islands in the middle. Yeah. Shutter Island is like the purgatory of your of R.E.M..
01;23;52;09 - 01;24;20;09
How I Met Your Monster
Oh. My perk is R.E.M. have a song called purgatory. No, I just was speculating about if this is purgatory. Yeah, yeah. So George talks to him about, like, basically tells him the truth, and the truth is laid out right there. But you also don't really know if you can believe George, because. Right. We don't know what the truth is, but he's telling you it's like, this is a game.
01;24;20;11 - 01;24;39;06
How I Met Your Monster
You're just running around. I'm in here because you kick the shit out of me or whatever the fuck? He beat him up for some reason. I can't remember what, but, And he says, like, if you don't let her go, you'll never get off the island. And he's talking about like, you got to let this, you got to let it go in there or you're never going to get better.
01;24;39;06 - 01;24;59;25
How I Met Your Monster
You're never going to be, you're never gonna leave. They're gonna lobotomized you in the lighthouse. And what's funny is this is this scene happens right at the movie's midpoint, which is usually kind of consider the point of no return. This is when we kind of set the stage like, this is the movie we're like. And to hit the thesis home pretty hard, and then we're going to, you know, hit the ground running for the second half of the movie.
01;24;59;28 - 01;25;20;06
How I Met Your Monster
So yeah, like if you're watching this the first time, you might be like, maybe we're being we're not getting or we're getting more misinformation. But when you look at it from just a story structure, this wouldn't exist in this space unless it held some considerable weight in terms of like, you know, they wouldn't just be shoving down more bullshit to throw them off.
01;25;20;06 - 01;25;43;16
How I Met Your Monster
It's like, no, this is it. You have to let her go otherwise. Like there's no coming back. Yeah. So it is pretty significant. And it is wild to think that this is the halfway point because so much has happened and it's like, and this movie's two hours and 20 minutes ish and, it's just it's. Man. Yeah. When I found out that it was the midpoint, I was like, Holy shit.
01;25;43;19 - 01;25;59;17
How I Met Your Monster
For like and I was enjoying it, but I was like, oh, wow, there's a lot. Yeah. I, the first like half an hour, this movie I missed because I kept falling asleep. Oh, really? Yeah. I had to turn it off and then turn back on the next day. Well, you know, with that being said, this is the midpoint.
01;25;59;17 - 01;26;17;10
How I Met Your Monster
There's still another half of the movie to go, but our next reveal is The Lighthouse at the end. And while there's a lot that happens, you know, we kind of I mean, obviously we know the ending because we've been talking about it. But he meets back up with Chuck. Chuck is like, I'll go with you to the lighthouse.
01;26;17;10 - 01;26;35;25
How I Met Your Monster
And Teddy's like, you don't fucking. I'm going by myself. Well, then he tells me, like, have you been alone yet? Up to this point? Yeah. Motherfucker. I haven't reached Chuck. Choco is up my ass. There's. Yeah, you should stay alone because he even says, like he's my partner. I trust them, and he's like, well, how long have you known him?
01;26;35;27 - 01;26;56;27
How I Met Your Monster
He's actually known him for a long time. True. The whole second half of this movie leading up to that final or the upcoming reveal that we have is really just like the first half of the movie is they're setting the stage for this experiment. Everyone's kind of like kind of letting him kind of figure it out, get get comfortable and it gets situated.
01;26;56;29 - 01;27;15;14
How I Met Your Monster
Then by the second half, it's everyone is kind of projecting everything out of him. Like it's like, come on, let's go get to the lighthouse. Whatever we need to do to sort of like, root you there and make sure you get there yourself. So it's it starts the movie starts to feel more unhinged, and everyone starts to feel more dangerous because no one's hiding anything anymore.
01;27;15;17 - 01;27;33;15
How I Met Your Monster
It's just even the Ben Kingsley doctor is just sort of like, no, like you're actually wrong. Like, it's like it's getting into your head and they're just. How can we keep escalating it? But the funny thing about it is that they're escalating it to help him, and it's so it's it's just it's it's a very unsafe territory.
01;27;33;17 - 01;27;55;26
How I Met Your Monster
But then it's obviously for the greater good because because Chuck gives him the, the intake form and he's supposed to read it, but he doesn't. And then you think Chuck falls off the fucking cliff. So he goes down the, he climbs down this huge fucking mountain and gets into that cave where he may or may not be talking to someone.
01;27;55;29 - 01;28;15;04
How I Met Your Monster
He blows up the car, blows up the car. Yeah. And then he's making his way to the lighthouse because now he's like determined to find Chuck. Yeah. Like that's now like his goal. So now we do see, like, his nature is inherently good. You know, it's not like a bad dude because he's not going there just for answers.
01;28;15;04 - 01;28;32;14
How I Met Your Monster
He's going there to save his buddy. Yeah, yeah. And he he jumps into the water, which is very much like, facing his fears, you know. Yeah. He's he's scared of water. He doesn't like water because all of his past and the drowning. But now he jumps in. This is like, Truman Show. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
01;28;32;16 - 01;28;58;20
How I Met Your Monster
What the hell? Spoiler alerts for Truman Show. Yeah. So he jumps into the water, he gets to the lighthouse, and, it all is revealed that he is. He is latest. He is. Who is 67 Edward Daniels. That's who he made up right. Yeah. His real name is Andrew. Latest. Yeah. So is Teddy just like a nickname of Eddie.
01;28;58;23 - 01;29;25;23
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. Teddy is Teddy is Eddie. Yeah. Okay. Kind of like Peg. It's like the mark. Richard doesn't make any sense. Richard. Okay. Okay. Margaret. Yeah, right. Well, I know most people don't. Isn't a weird. Yeah. And so much is revealed to us here in this. Even like, his guy is gone isn't genuine. He's not real. It's candy. Even, like, even like a guy.
01;29;25;26 - 01;29;44;00
How I Met Your Monster
That would be the scary movie version of the series that bites into it and he's like, it's chocolate. Well, the way that he crumbles that it sounded like chocolate. That's going to be a real fat kid thing, like an Easter Bunny. It sounded like candy when he. Yeah, yeah, when he crumbled. It actually. Is that chocolate? Yeah, but no, it was just cheap plastic, I guess.
01;29;44;01 - 01;30;08;05
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. It's like it's like the. Is it cake? The doctor takes in slices into it. It's been a cake this whole time. Everything. Chuck this cake this year. It's been cake this whole time. Like, you know, like Chuck opens the door and you realize it's doctor C and it's Mikey Day being like, is that Kate? Yeah, that's a fit.
01;30;08;07 - 01;30;32;24
How I Met Your Monster
And, yeah. That's it. I mean, then we get the great, we get the great ending. Well, shit. Oh, God. Then we go and we find out about the real disaster with his wife. You know, it wasn't Rachel. It was his wife, Dolores. Who? Who, to this unspeakable act. And we find out that he killed her afterwards.
01;30;32;26 - 01;30;50;22
How I Met Your Monster
God, this the thing that gets me that scene the most is obviously. I mean, obviously, the kids did all that, but, like, it's when he's in the water and he just, like, lets out this really kind of like, weirdly timed scream, and it feels so real because you think of, like, where your head would be. Your just your body's just kind of like, it's like vomiting.
01;30;50;22 - 01;31;09;03
How I Met Your Monster
It just kind of everything's just kind of like, sprayed down without any control in that. I don't know what it was. Just something about that specific moment. Just said like a chill down my spine because it all of a sudden made it feel real. Like he's not performing. He's actually just discovering this as though it really happened. Man.
01;31;09;06 - 01;31;39;21
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. Leonardo DiCaprio. So good, so good, so good. And then he turns all the flowers and he's fucking collecting the kids from the water, and he's like, trying to carry them all. And then she says how she's like, oh, well, the thing I think that freaks me out in this movie is how specific a lot of the patients are with in terms of their respective, whatever issue that they have to be dealing with, like that one guy who is like, everything kind of comes back to exposing himself.
01;31;39;23 - 01;32;01;15
How I Met Your Monster
It's just like so weird. But it fits. It's like, oh, yeah, it feels so real. And for this particular character and then her coming in and you see her sort of the way she rationalizes it, where she wanted peace, but she didn't necessarily want to get rid of the kids. It's like, no, they'll be like our dolls. Like we just don't have to deal with the reality of, like, their human problems.
01;32;01;15 - 01;32;16;02
How I Met Your Monster
And and you see her just kind of like, there's nothing wrong with that. Like what's wrong? Yeah. I just want to be with you. I love you like I love these kids, but, like, let's, let's just have them also shower them and dress them and bathe them or whatever that she says, and sit them at the table like it's like nothing happened.
01;32;16;05 - 01;32;51;18
How I Met Your Monster
And you're like, oh fuck. Like God it's it's like so upsetting. Yeah. Because the real like the these are things I don't know, it's just it's upsetting. It's very upsetting. I think I'm like kind of speaking, saying the obvious but. Oh no, no I mean you know so so then we get to our so he, so he comes to terms with all this stuff and then we get that great ending that we talked about at the beginning of this episode where, you know, back to the beginning, he's sitting there and, and Chuck comes up and how's it going today?
01;32;51;18 - 01;33;20;19
How I Met Your Monster
And you think everything's good, but then he falls back into character, or does he. You know what I mean? Yeah. Your heart drops. You're like, no. Yeah. Unless you're me. And I'm like, yeah, yeah. And then you're back, baby. He drops the mystery continues. He drops find Danny. I don't know if you said the line at the beginning, but he says, what would be worse to live as a monster or to die as a good man?
01;33;20;22 - 01;33;37;06
How I Met Your Monster
And then he kind of gives us. He gives a look to Chuck, and Chuck's like, wait a second. What? And then, but he he makes his choice, and he goes off and they're even ready. They have a straitjacket. They're ready for him. They're holding the fucking spike. Yeah. Like, why would you carry that. Like you're going to the lake house to do this.
01;33;37;11 - 01;33;58;13
How I Met Your Monster
I the, the like twiddling like there's. Yeah he's, he's carrying these pick on a thing and it's like and you're going to the lighthouse today. So why would you bring it with holding the ice pick how much you guys know about lobotomies. Not much. My first introduction was in Breakfast Club. He says something about getting a lobotomy.
01;33;58;15 - 01;34;20;02
How I Met Your Monster
Oh, he needs a lobotomy and some tapes to be a wrestler. That's a lot of, info. No, I really learned about lobotomies from, Cuckoo's Nest. Oh. Oh, yeah. Well, I don't know what they talk about in that movie, but lobotomies. So it's lobotomy because they're cutting out a part of your frontal lobe. Oh, okay.
01;34;20;02 - 01;34;42;13
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. I never lived together. Yeah. Well, most people, you know, pronounced lobotomy. So, you know, you don't get that with lobotomy. So. Yeah. I you guys know that I do, like ghost hunting and all that kind of stuff that I really love. And so one of the places I've been to a lot is Trans Allegheny lunatic Asylum in West Virginia, and it was famous for the amount of lobotomies that they did there.
01;34;42;15 - 01;35;01;12
How I Met Your Monster
The first, like regular lobotomy, was in the 30s. And then I think in the 40s, they started doing the trans or lobotomy. The first a bottom is a bottom is the first the bottom. Now, first of all, out of me, I've had one. No, the the first lobotomies they actually drilled into your head, okay. To cut out parts of your frontal lobe.
01;35;01;19 - 01;35;22;05
How I Met Your Monster
But then the trans orbital lobotomy, was invented by Walter Freeman and in the 40s. And they take an ice pick and they go in through your orbital socket and they melt them. You use a mallet, and they break the bones and stuff, and the, you know, the humans suck. I'm sorry. I'm going to say it like, oh, yeah, you were so fucking gross.
01;35;22;08 - 01;35;37;11
How I Met Your Monster
The anesthesia that they used was actually electroshock therapy, so they would shock. Yeah. So they would shock you first, and then they would do the little bits. Like when I was a kid, my brother would like, if I, like, stubbed my toe, maybe like, oh, my toe. And he would punch me in the arm. But you know, your toe doesn't hurt.
01;35;37;18 - 01;36;03;19
How I Met Your Monster
It's the same. Yeah. And they were done for a lot of reasons. You know, just horniness, trans are like any. They were done a lot just because there was so much overcrowding. And so people were getting wild. So they were just like, we gotta show some of these people out. Wow. They did, there there were about like 50,000 of them done in the United States.
01;36;03;19 - 01;36;25;20
How I Met Your Monster
And, 14% of patients died afterwards, which is, I think roughly seven. Yeah. Like, yeah. Yeah. So. Wow. Okay, so they do mention something now that you say that they mentioned something in this movie about like going to the eye. With the thing. And I was like oh yeah they're doing the trans orbital. Well has there been a movie where they show a lobotomy.
01;36;25;22 - 01;36;45;08
How I Met Your Monster
I've seen them. It was like don't recommend. Oh my god. But like you can look them up on YouTube and horror story Asylum I would imagine has but maybe not. Well I want to see it though. Yeah. I mean, I watched a live one, not live live because I don't do them anymore. They quit doing them in the 60s.
01;36;45;10 - 01;37;09;02
How I Met Your Monster
But live stream. But I watched one at Trans Allegheny. They have a museum, and one of the rooms in the museum is all dedicated to lobotomies. And they have a TV that just shows one on one. Oh, God. Yeah, I don't recommend. Well, so crazy. But that's Shutter Island. That's, Man, it's so good. Definitely rewatchable.
01;37;09;04 - 01;37;16;19
How I Met Your Monster
Now it's time to choose our favorite reveals in Shutter Island.
01;37;16;22 - 01;37;45;09
How I Met Your Monster
So we only have five. We've got. The first one is the tales from the crypt. Literally. It says he's telling a tale and it's in a crypto. Tales from the crypt two is, latest Casey Jones in front of the fireplace. Three is, Rachel Selden. Oh, y'all with her dead kids? Four is that these are just wild.
01;37;45;09 - 01;38;10;29
How I Met Your Monster
If you just switch it there. We've laughed a lot. I don't really dark movie. So number four is the random patient in Ward C who attacks Teddy and number five is the. It's kind of a group. It's the lighthouse. It's, it's the big reveal scene where you find out everything. It's the the truth about, Dolores. And it's the lighthouse itself where they do lobotomies.
01;38;11;01 - 01;38;35;19
How I Met Your Monster
I got to go with the lighthouse. Right? Yeah. I'm with you. Yeah. Spoiler alert, because it's not really the only one, you know? Yeah. Technically, yeah. For the sake of the show, we added a few, but. Yeah. Which which is actually ironic. I guess, because this reveal shows that the monsters that we all saw in the movie are not actually monsters.
01;38;35;21 - 01;39;04;00
How I Met Your Monster
Right. That's true. The good guys. That's true. And so it's kind of it's, it's like the most mind fuckery of our monster reveals the mind. Yeah. You know my runner up would be the the crypts where they, he kind of explains everything. And Chuck does his best performance. Tony I would say my runner up would probably be the latest reveal where he sees Bobby Dee in the chair because it's sort of like he's seeing himself.
01;39;04;03 - 01;39;30;12
How I Met Your Monster
That's his. We are seeing how he sees himself without realizing it's the way he's seeing himself. It's okay. The monster he's created for himself. Oh good point. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well guys now it's time for a segment that we like to call the real monster. I've got two real monsters. Number one is probably obvious. It's the Holocaust slash.
01;39;30;15 - 01;39;55;17
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. Nazis. Yep. Pretty terrible. Pretty terrible. And remember folks, if you meet a Nazi in real life, do not run away. Make a fist and you hit him, punch him in the dick. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Oh, they don't have any balls. So that would be pretty wild. My second real monster is the ocean. Oh, I love the ocean.
01;39;55;19 - 01;40;17;18
How I Met Your Monster
It's. Do you know there's fighting. Yeah. Right. Yes. Like I, you will never find me on a cruise ship. Oh. Oh you're like really scared of the ocean if I mean. Yeah I didn't mean it like put blast like that. Oh no. Like I mean like, I mean because I know everyone has different fears, like I don't, I don't prefer the beach, but, like, you know, if we're on the, if you go to the beach, like, I'll go.
01;40;17;18 - 01;40;37;15
How I Met Your Monster
I've been in the ocean before, but like, you won't find me like out on the ocean. Open water. Yeah. You know what I mean. No fucking way. If I could go back and redo my life, I would be a marine biologist. Oh, yeah. Interesting. Oh, yeah. I almost did it instead of going to art school. What is it about war that that, like.
01;40;37;17 - 01;40;56;16
How I Met Your Monster
Oh, because life is terrifying. See, it's so weird. And there's so much stuff that we don't know. And, like, I don't know. Do you watch a lot of nature documentaries? Cody does. So I kind of deep sea stuff is wild when there's no light down there. The shit that happens, like the shit that like things are clear because they don't have any light, you know what I mean?
01;40;56;16 - 01;41;23;07
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Like, it's wild. I know it's it's insane that there is, like, such a massive part of our entire planet. We know less about the ocean than we do space. Yeah. It's so nutty. It's nutty. It's crazy. Like wild. Yeah. And there's, like, you know, squids that are 30ft long and, you know, that's cool. I, what do you guys got for monsters?
01;41;23;09 - 01;41;46;17
How I Met Your Monster
Oh, 34 likes go in, shaped like a candy cane or candy cane. Good. Perfect shape. Candy canes. I just have one. It's, But I have there's a I have a something to say after, green screens in movies while someone's driving, when it's, like, very clearly like a fake background. Okay. Which I noticed once, I think it's when he's with.
01;41;46;18 - 01;42;06;21
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah, when he's with the warden. However. See, I noticed it on the boat, at the beginning. That's when I noticed, but, but go ahead. Sorry. I will say maybe it was done, and maybe I'm just giving, like. Okay, we love Scorsese is a great director. Gassed him up all, you know, this whole episode.
01;42;06;23 - 01;42;24;19
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There is part of that. Wondered if, like, maybe it was intentional because this I was saying how this movie does feel like a really direct throwback to a lot of heyday movies from like, the 50s and 40s, and that's kind of a thing, you know, where like because the technology existed nowadays, you could also just driving a car like like the real.
01;42;24;22 - 01;42;36;23
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah, yeah, rear projection. Thank you. And back then it's like so obviously fake. But you accept it because of the time that it was made. And then this one being sort of like a throwback.
01;42;36;25 - 01;42;58;23
How I Met Your Monster
Maybe I've given too much credit, but it's also like, what if we hyper realize it just a little bit so that it's like, yeah, we're in one of those movies. I don't know. Now that's fun. Casey, what do you have for real? Monster. Oh, lobotomies. Yeah, yeah. How do you not see that? Yeah, dude, it's fucked up.
01;42;58;25 - 01;43;20;17
How I Met Your Monster
Ego's moon is created. The the regular lobotomy. Oh, that's a pretty original lobotomy. And then Walter Freeman for making the trans orbital lobotomy and just doing them all willy nilly. Imagine being in the board room where they're like, hey, does anyone have any ideas to, like, solve these problems and like, okay, hear me out. And he just, like, pulled out an ice pick and they're like, wait, what?
01;43;20;20 - 01;43;41;18
How I Met Your Monster
No, I don't think that there's no way that's the answer to this. It is a little bit. Yeah. I mean, it's wild to think about because it was the 40s. This is like something that. Yeah. Like we have really like medieval shit. Yeah. Yeah yeah. Well they did them until up until the 60s. That's true. Yeah. Like I know my mom could have had a fucking label.
01;43;41;20 - 01;44;03;18
How I Met Your Monster
Wow. You know like like I don't even want to think about it like okay I don't know. Well it's like I'm thinking with the drill be better. No, I don't want fucking an ice pick like it's right here is what you're talking about. Dude. But either way afterwards you don't remember. That's true whether you had the drill or the ice pick.
01;44;03;20 - 01;44;25;16
How I Met Your Monster
Well yeah. But when it's happening you're going to know. Yeah. Then you want, then you, then you'll just be a zombie. That said there's a story. This kid what was his name when something he got a lobotomy when he was like eight years old and he is still alive. I wrote a book about it and stuff is about so.
01;44;25;18 - 01;44;50;19
How I Met Your Monster
Oh, God. So there's like, Lord, humanity. Just like, take a little peek in a mirror and just, like, look at themselves. Howard Dully, poor guy. What's his name? Oh, he's two years old. What? He was 12 years old. Even still. Like, what would you know? What can't you fucking. How can you get to such a point where you are so beyond helping someone that that's the option that feels like it's the only available one?
01;44;50;22 - 01;45;24;10
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Yeah. When you're 12, like, just like she claimed he was defiant, difficult and pre delinquent defiant and difficult. Okay. Sounds like a kid to snap. Mom did it. Wait his stepmom did it. Well no she but she had him. She arranged it. I was like oh my God I mean that guess that kind of we did earlier this year we did, Return to Oz, which the whole first part of the movie is electroshock therapy for a kid.
01;45;24;13 - 01;45;40;00
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Yeah, maybe the real ones. Well, would you survive? Nobody died. So. Yeah, it's our last segment. Would you survive? Shutter Island?
01;45;40;03 - 01;46;05;00
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Would you survive the truth and lives of Shutter Village? I all right. Just in terms of, like, would I be a good liar, per? Probably not. I think I would break character. So if I survived you, you mean, like, would I, would I be able to commit to the bit? Probably not. Eventually I'd feel bad. You always commit to the better,
01;46;05;03 - 01;46;22;04
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Okay, I would survive. Yeah. I think the would say you do just. He's a writer, Danny. They're having you write that shit. Yeah, I feel like it would be. You would write it so good that Teddy would never get out of his. Yeah, it would just be. There's just keep going. It just. He doubles down on. They would be.
01;46;22;04 - 01;46;39;11
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It would be going so long that they would get so tired. And then the way he got to that cliff edge, they were just like fuck push them. Somebody fucking question them. They the hospital was like their budget. They're running out of money. They can't even like take care of the patients just for this like scenario. Yeah.
01;46;39;11 - 01;46;59;03
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I mean, I guess I would survive because. Yeah, yeah. People looking out for us at this hospital. Ben, the fact that Ben Kingsley's character is the head of it, I'm like, I feel like I'm roughly in good hands. Yeah, well, nobody dies. Yeah, so. Except the kids, right? And I'm not dollars as child, so. Yeah. That's true. All right.
01;46;59;03 - 01;47;22;29
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Yeah. So in the context of us being in Teddy's shoes, I think we'd be okay. All right, you guys, that's our first movie in mind. Fucks shutter Island. It's funny, I ended this episode with a headache, so it's like, fuck with my mind a little bit. Oh, wait until you watch Eraserhead. Okay. Yeah, that's our number. That's our second movie coming.
01;47;23;02 - 01;47;42;09
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Eraserhead. David Mercer to David Lynch movies. Yeah, I'm excited for that. Like, you know, we were talking. I don't know if this was off mic or not, but we were talking, and I think I've only seen, like, the first, maybe 20 minutes of Eraserhead. I haven't really seen the whole thing. So I don't really know what I'm in for.
01;47;42;12 - 01;48;02;27
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All right. Yeah. Make sure to follow how I Met Your Monster on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, anywhere you get your podcasts. Where there YouTube even, follow us on social media. Tell us what you think of Shutter Island. Tell us what you. If there's some things that you picked up on in Shutter Island that, maybe we didn't talk about or, just let us know.
01;48;02;29 - 01;48;27;26
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Where can our listeners find you guys on social media? I am on Instagram at Wolf mother. Casey. Danny, right now you can just find me on Letterboxd and Instagram at my name, Danny Salem. It's just Danny. Sally, me. Two names like the candy melt in your butt, not in your hands. Wonderful. You can find me on social media at Zack Quintic and until Eraserhead.
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Thank you all for listening. Now go meet some monsters.