The DEVILS & DICKS triple feature continues with David Fincher’s rain-soaked race against a one-man judge, jury, and executioner. Sinners are being hunted, a perfect crime’s constructed, and we can’t help but ask “WHAT’S IN THE BOX?!” as we count down a septet of deadly sins to meet the serial killer, John Doe, in SE7EN.
The DEVILS & DICKS triple feature continues with David Fincher’s rain-soaked race against a one-man judge, jury, and executioner. Sinners are being hunted, a perfect crime’s constructed, and we can’t help but ask “WHAT’S IN THE BOX?!” as we count down a septet of deadly sins to meet the serial killer, John Doe, in SE7EN.
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How I Met Your Monster
Today we continue our Devil's and Dicks triple feature with David Fincher's rain soaked race against a one man judge, jury and executioner. Sinners are being hunted a perfect crime is constructed, and we can't help but ask what's in the box? As we count down a septet of deadly sins to meet the serial killer John Doe in Se7en. You're listening to how I Met Your Monster, a podcast that explores the introductions to your favorite movie monsters.
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How I Met Your Monster
My name is Zack. I'm Danny, and I'm Casey. And together, we dive into the world of horror to find out how filmmakers have introduced us to our favorite monsters time and time again. This is how I met your most.
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Welcome to how I Met Your Monster. The sure, we discussed introductions to your favorite movie monsters. It is episode 150. Whoa! Oh, dude, that is not episode seven 100.
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157. 157. Yeah. No, it's. You don't count, like, 143 of our episodes. It technically is our seventh episode, which is fitting because we're talking about Se7en. Oh, yes. Oh, and speaking of numbers, give us $3 a month.
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Well, seven plus three is ten, and ten is kind of like a marker for excellence. So if you consider us to be a ten, give us $3 while we're recording the episode for seven. Yeah. Our Patreon just dropped to $3. Just a three. Just $2. That's it. $3. Three. Three G, but believe was our first president.
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Yeah, that's exactly right. Pretty wild. Yeah. So, something to think about. Patreon.com slash how I Met Your Monster $3 a month. Commentaries, old episodes, fun stuff. And helping us keep the lights on. The satisfaction of helping the Mike. Fellow horror fan. Yeah. The mike. Yeah. We really. No, I don't have any lights right now, but my mic is on.
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Yeah, a lot of people don't know this, but we turn all the lights off right before we record. It apparently gives Mike some more juice. We don't know for sure, but we do it anyway. That's what the guy at the Mike store said when he was selling me this. That you turn off all the lights juices up this bad boy.
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Really he's just hiding in the dark alone. He thinks he's talking to his friend Mike. But it's just a microphone. I was literally going to try to make it. I was going to try to make a joke about Zach buying a man named Mike from the monster, but I couldn't. Yeah, that's another.
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If you watch or like, videos, like if you ever watch any footage, it's Casey is talking into a mike. I'm talking to Mike, but Zach's talking into a guy. That into a man. His name? Mike. We have never confirmed it, but he's just. He's, like, talking into it, into his mouth. That's what I hear. I guess that's the input.
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Yeah. And then to mute him, I just like, closes, closes up and then it does a table go into his butthole. So, guys, this is off the fucking rails. We're talking about seven. What's new? And which is also off the rails. Dude, this movies is insanely good. Yeah, right. And I have to say that I watched it yesterday twice.
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Wow. Because you like it so much or because you fell asleep or. No, I watched it in the daytime. And then at night, I watched it again. Wow. Yeah. I mean, it was it was because it was so good that I was, like, not taking notes because, oh, same, I did the same thing. I was like, oh, shit, I had to rewind it.
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Yeah, I've seen it so many times. But like, I've watched and we're watching it and I'm like, oh, I need to catch up on what's happening. And then like in my notes and then, later like nine. Oh, it was like interested in watching it. I was like, oh, I'll watch it again because I can take more detailed notes the next time.
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Because whatever. And again, I don't think I took a single note the second time to watch. I was just sucked in, and, it's just it's so good. I will say, but it's very, like the darkness of it all, the heaviness of it. Two times in one day was a little bit much, but, it's the first time you watch it.
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When you watch the first one, you were like, Mills, you're an optimist. When you watched it for the second time, you. It devolves completely into Somerset. Yeah. Yeah. So how many times did you guys watch this? Seven times. Seven times? Just once yesterday. But, yeah, it's one of those movies where every single detail is so intentional that you can pick something up, even if you've seen it 100 fucking times.
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Yeah. So, yeah. So have you guys seen it fairly recently? Yeah, I watched it. Well, so when I say I watched it like over Halloween in October, I just had horror movies playing constantly on my phone while I was at work. And so, yeah, it was playing on my phone while I was at work one day. But other than that, it's been a few years.
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But yeah, I'd say probably 3 or 4 years since I saw it last. Okay. Yeah, it's been a hot minute since I've seen this. Okay. And when that ending comes up, it's such like, we all know, you know, you've seen the movie. It's also just, again, like, there's make memes about it in 30 years, like, everyone knows it.
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But when that not everyone starts to rev up, Holy shit. I was literally like, oh, I'm like witnessing something here. Like, this is a great fucking. And it's been just the reveal. It's just everything. Just the just the whole craft of this movie is so well done. And I was obviously I've seen it probably ten like it's like, you know, we say like, oh, I saw this movie 100 times.
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I've legit probably seen it 10 or 12 times in my lifetime. And so like, you know, what's happening, like you said, we are very aware of the ending, but like, my heart was racing. Yeah. As he's, like, opening the box and doing like I was beating and then I was beating. I was over in the box and I was just beat up.
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You should not know, because that's going to give you a really bad connection there with death. And let that be like, yeah, let's not do that. Oh God. No, no. But anyways, my heart was beating. And then that was the first viewing yesterday and I was like, oh, I've seen this many times, but it's still getting me. And then even at night when I watched it with nine, it was like, dude, this scene is so good that like, my heart's is racing.
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It just happens because it's so well made. Yeah, so I wasn't beating off. Thank you. Yes. I watched this movie with Chris. No shame. If you want to watch seven, it beat off. No, there is no, that's that's there. If ever there was a place to not have shame, it's that specific situation.
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That's the template for that kind of situation. I watch this with Griff who has never seen any movies. And also unfortunately doesn't have any reactions to anything. So he, he literally didn't the the movie ended and I was like, do you like it? And yeah, I was good. And that was it. Casey, just pull the knife out.
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There was no switchblade that's cutting off her fingerprints. Yeah. And, you know, he had no idea what was going on. He even. Oh, my God, it was so I. I was crying, laughing. The scene where where? Somerset. She meets with Somerset to talk to him about being pregnant. She's there in the diner and he goes she looks familiar.
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Who is that. And I was like drew, she is incredibly famous. That's the founder of goop. It's like that's Gwyneth Paltrow. And he's like I don't know. And then he was like, oh she's in shallow house. Yeah. Shallow house. Oh she's not super. Well, you, you know, like she's also Pepper Potts in every Ironman movie and every Avengers movie.
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And he's like, oh yeah, that's so funny. It was. But oh, so I can see, Hal from Shallow Hal being a victim of John Doe. Yeah. So I guess one thing I wanted to ask you guys is, which scene would you guys be? Which probably I yeah, if you was, if you were being murdered for by John Doe, what sin would you be?
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Probably gluttony. Because I love snacking. Yeah, but you're not. You remember how he described the guy who was gluttony? You're nowhere near that. You describe him as someone so disgusting that you would not be able to eat if you were looking at him, or something like that. Yeah, yeah, that's a good question. I never thought I had to choose.
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I would say gluttony just because I like snacking. Because I'm not really like, all right, let's go down the list. There's gluttony, greed. I don't think of myself as a particularly greedy person. Sloth. I'm too hard on myself to. For sloth. Anytime I sit down, I'm like, you fucking lazy piece of shit. Yeah. Yeah. Of lust.
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I'm pretty lustful. I'm a I'm a little cornball. Pride. A little bit of pride. Kind of a cocky little asshole sometimes. Envy. Then a year since the big one. It's like, oh, the seven deadly sins. Am I John Doe's masterpiece? He's like, well, I didn't have to. I just found this one guy in, Oh, wrath.
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Maybe wrath, but only in a situation that Mills finds himself in. If someone were to hurt someone close to me, I could see myself kind of like becoming, like, just not being human anymore. But he sat us through the whole movie, though. It's not just. Yeah, nothing. Yeah, yeah, he's a dick. That's not just a detective dick. Just in general.
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There's some deleted scenes that, shed some more light on his character and Somerset's character, too. Kind of. Do you think it was right for them to cut it, or do you think we needed it? Yeah. No, there was really there was only one scene that I thought would have been cool to have in there, but the rest of them are where okay, there's like a hole, and I'll talk about it as we get to the scenes, but like, there's a whole like, homophobia thing going through.
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This, that some of it was cut out, and just, I mean, with, with with Mills. Really, because he dropped where he drops a homophobic slur to. So. Yeah. Well, and in, in the an extended scene, Gwyneth Paltrow does, too. Oh, okay. But she's talking. What is she's talking about Mills. So his hatred is there.
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And, you know, because I don't see any like, gay subtext in this movie. Is there something like like I say, I say that some of it is still in there, but like, you know, he's talking about like, it's really maybe the only one that's still in there is when he is, there at the pizza place.
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And he's like, well, you said to me, I don't want people thinking we're dating. Yeah. Okay. And maybe the rest of it is just in the now that I'm thinking about it, maybe the rest is just in the deleted scenes. But okay. I mean, it doesn't. You know, that deleted scene didn't need to be in there for you to know that he's just a hateful person, right?
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You know? Yeah, but we'll get into it. So, do you do you guys answer? What would your. Oh, no. Oh, I would be lost for sure. Be lost. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, God. I was thinking about how it would have died. You know. Oh, dear. That's that's, that's gonna be a hard one to get through, but we'll do.
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Oh. Oh, that was not a pun. There was like, there was moments when I was, like, watching with night night. And I was like, okay, is this the scene where she's going to be like, I can't watch this anymore? Yeah. And we got, you know, we made it all the way to that scene. And I was like, oh, this is the one that's going to do it.
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She's going to be like, nope, I can't. But she made it through. So did you like it? Oh yeah. Absolutely right. Yeah. No. She specifically she really did she you know you know it's good. Like when the credits roll and you just sit in silence for a while. Yeah. Before you look at each other. And then she looks at me and she was like, damn.
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And I was like, I was just sitting in silence because I was like, are the credits going backwards? Or is it just me? And then you find out that you watched the movie Upside Down? You're hanging like a fucking. It was weird. I wondered why they were all on the side of creative choices. And this. They all can walk on the ceiling.
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That was a weirdest detail. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe, like you said, Danny. Gluttony. Maybe. Like, I like to just fucking go to food. That. Or maybe I don't know what the irony is. I lust after food, and I'm a glutton for snacks. I mean, envy, like, there are definitely points in my life that I have been very envious of people.
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But I would say overall, the lust part would probably be stronger. Ironically, I'm envious of Brad Pitt's body. And fight Club? He did this right after legends of the fall. Wow, I love it. If he had the same hair. Yeah, right. She did just long hair. Guys, this was David Fincher's second movie. Why? Yeah I'm honestly surprised that he came back after alien three.
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Yeah I mean he had been directing music videos for ten years before this, which makes sense because you can see it like in the yeah style in the opening credits and whatnot. But and he does have like such a defined look already, and I guess I didn't think of that as him having so much experience. Yeah. So it wasn't just like his like second movie, just boom bam.
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But he had been in the business for a long time. The opening credits are. That was another funny thing. I was like, as soon as I turned the movie, I was like, Griff, these opening credits are like iconic. They're. Yeah. And then he's just so like.
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He's like, oh, wait, there's another version of them where it's a lot less. It's mostly like text, right? And this is like, I mean, it, it really it's they're probably my favorite opening credits ever. We talked about them before. Yeah. Well, that's I think it set such a precedent. Everyone literally just kind of like tried to copy it.
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It just sets the entire tone for the movie. Yeah, perfectly. Yeah. Just gritty and gross. And he doesn't get in, Fight Club. He is a similar type of opening. Very stylized, very music video ish, kind of to the point that by the. Have you guys seen his girl with the Dragon Tattoo? Yes, but I don't remember. Oh, Zack, you got to watch it.
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It's one of my. It might be my favorite David Fincher movie. Really? Yeah. Okay. I've watched it so much. I've actually literally in the middle of, like, rewatching it right now. Okay. Have you seen the Swedish version? Never seen the Swedish version. And I don't know if I can now because I'm so hooked on they're both here. I'm just obsessed with.
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Is it okay? Yeah. The opening titles for his version. I won't spoil anything, but he takes that. It's so good. And so insane. And you're like, this is a movie. Like, what the fuck are we? It almost feels, I don't know, like, like a James Bond opening. Like where it's sort of just. You're getting credits, but you're kind of like getting the movie with these weird effects and.
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Okay. Oh, oh, it's like inception. They're telling the story of, you know what I mean? Yeah, too. I'm showing him writing his manifestos and cutting off his. Yeah. I almost counted the opening credits as a reveal. Yeah. Like an honorable mention because, yeah. You see his notebooks in his fingertips and I mean, that's an honorable mention I little mention it's official, but,
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Yeah. Andrew, Kevin Walker wrote this movie. He's got a new movie coming out. Psycho killer this month. Psycho killer is out now in theaters. Written by Andrew Kevin Walker, who wrote seven. So go check it out. I apologize if I've told this story already. I'm sure I told you guys. I don't know if I said on the pod, but I met Andrew, Kevin Walker just a few months ago.
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Danny, this story literally ended our last episode. Yeah. So let's let's. But now is the moment where I break it down. Yes, exactly. So tell us again. All right, the origins of the word Andrew. So that dates back to death? No. Go ahead. Tell us, for anyone who didn't listen to the last episode, I was. Which, by the way, if you didn't, shame on you.
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I met, Andrew. Kevin Walker at the Austin Film Festival. He did a. Yeah, they do a lot of panels. His panel was in credible. So. Great. And then I just so happened to kind of, like, bump into him at this. They have like a gathering of people and they were at a bar and I somehow got, like, wrangled into talking to someone.
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And that guy was talking. He was with Andrew. And we're just I call manager, by the way, and, Andy I comedy I can't, we're just. Yeah, I call him, I call him Walker. I got Texas Ranger. Oh what's up Chuck? I'm like inside jokes.
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And I don't know how we were talking. And he leans over and just, like, such a sweetheart. And he just looks at me. He's like, what are you drinking? And I was like, oh, oh no, no, no, no, I'm okay. It's fine. He's like, what are you drinking? Okay. And my go to drink is, full of bourbon.
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So I was like, can I have a bottle of bourbon on the rocks? So to be handed my, like, go to drink by one of, like, the great screenwriters of our time, it's like, yeah. I was like, oh, I'm going to go home now. That's it. I that's the high that I've. Anything that happens after this is going to be significantly less interesting for sure.
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But but no, I just I had to share because it's just such a, I'm still like, fan boying over and then you and then you, met and had a conversation with Shane Black, and you were like Andy, who texts who something about I'm in Texas. I was what is awesome? Why do I have this badge on my shirt?
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What do I smell of? Bourbon? No. He's an incredible screenwriter, like you said. And he played the, the dead guy in that first opening scene. Oh, that was so funny. I said he's in it, but I didn't. Yeah, so is he. He's just playing. No, no, the guy who was killed by his wife. Yeah. And like when when Mills is introduced.
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Yeah. He's just like he's just he's laying face down in a puddle of blood. Gotcha. But that's him. So, so that his name is Walker. I guess it's more like layer. Layer. Because he was like.
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Oh, and, this movie was shot by Darius Kanji, I believe is how you pronounce his name. Was the director of photography. He most recently shot Marty Supreme, but, he also did Alien Resurrection, Honey Games, and the ruins. He's done it. He's done a ton more. But, like, these are just ones that, you know, we did the ruins on the show.
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We did, It's funny games. Did we do the American Funny Games or do we do the original? We did the American one. Okay, I can't remember. And then we didn't do resurrection, but we've done aliens. Aliens. Yeah. And then yet. So weird that he did Alien Resurrection and Fincher did alien three. And it just kind of is funny.
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I there's an actor in the movie that's also in Alien Resurrection who, hold on, hold on, hold on. It's not the guy who works at the sex booth. No. What, what movie is a seven? It's not the doctor. No, I think it's. I mean, Charles Dutton is uncredited, and he in part three, Charles Dutton is. In which one seven.
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It's in. No he's not. Yeah. And I IMDb it says uncredited. Who is he? He's a cop. I did not see Charles Dutton in this movie. I didn't either, it just as Charles Dutton cop uncredited. No, he's the guy. Sorry. Casey. The guy who fucked the the passenger. Oh, he's he's he's an electrician. Yes, he plays Granny Weaver.
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It's unrecognizable. That guy's wild. I remember him from very bad things. He plays Purvis. Oh, I've never seen Christian Slater and Purvis. Oh, okay. He's one of the. Is he like, One of the scientists? Yeah. He's got the little glasses on. Okay. Stick around. Glasses on. Okay. Yeah. He's he's, you know, in this in this movie when he's in his being interrogated.
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Oh, he's so good. It just it just makes my anxiety just go nuts because the way he's, like, hyperventilating, I'm like, oh my God, he's so good. You know, it's one of those things where it's like, how could you possibly understand, like the weight of that experience? And that's just like a testament to good acting because it's like, oh, but yeah, it's like that's oh, no, he's.
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Yeah. He really does such a great job conveying that. Oh my god. Yeah. I'm looking and and we're gonna IMDb this didn't. How did this movie not win like, every award I don't understand, I feel like, was it nominated? Oh, it was nominated for an Oscar. I'm sorry. Okay. Now, who's the asshole for what? Editing.
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Well, that's it, but I feel like me. I mean, I'm a tography. I mean, maybe it was just a little bit too dark for the times. Could be like the, You know what I mean. Back to the future. What's he say? It's like, I guess you kids aren't ready for that yet. Oh, yeah. All right. You ready for what?
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Your kids are going to love it. Yeah. Horror is just now getting, like, the recognition that it deserves to. I mean, so this was 30 years ago. Yeah. Like respect. Yeah. Yeah. And the special effects RGB routine. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And the music. Howard. Sure. Howard. Sure. So good. It's like wow wow wow wow wow. Has it. What's in the box, you guys?
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Whatever it was, John Doe. Oh, no. No. Oh, it would have been. I wonder if he was cast him in Christopher Walken and Andrew Kevin Walker. I bet they would have something to talk about. And then they got, walking. Who else said the last name with walking in it? Luke Skywalker? Oh, yeah. Who played Superman?
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Christopher Reeves? No one. Did you say that because he was in a wheelchair and couldn't walk, be. That's why. Fucked up Casey. No, I just there's no. I think maybe there's a Christopher Walken Christopher Reeves joke that I was crossing in my brain thinking that. Yeah, probably because he couldn't walk, okay, I didn't I wouldn't intentionally. No, it's not.
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It was an accident. My brain was mixed up. Oh, God. Now, can we please go to New York City? Okay. Is it New York City? Yeah, which I love to think that it's like, just kind of like its own made up world because. Yeah, you want, you know, at one point you think New York City because then she talks about upstate.
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And so you're kind of just like, okay. But then at the end they're in like the desert. Yeah. And it's so like they have been driving for a long time. Marx didn't go and fucking New York to LA. So what if they did? But if like the whole second half of this movie was like a road trip movie holiday for 7 to 14.
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So, okay, so how about let's go to this unnamed location? All right. We go to 14. All right. We're going to an unnamed. An unnamed location. Yeah. Okay. Because Andrew, Kevin was living in New York City when he wrote this, and he was kind of turned off by some of the kind of like, maybe to a lesser degree of what Somerset is turned off by in the movie, where it's sort of like a lot of crime and crime and all that nasty stuff.
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It's definitely New York City of Jason, because I think they filmed in LA, right? Yes, they filmed in L.A. They film in L.A. That was down to. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Because that diner. So that diner scene where he. Where Somerset and Tracy meet, that was the same diner that they filmed training day in. Oh, okay. Anyway, all right, let's go to rainy Town.
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A little.
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Let's go to Wet World. Maybe that's where the movie's set. Maybe this is Waterworld. This is the rain that creates Waterworld. This is a prequel.
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And now. Oh my God. Wait, is it time? Is it time? Because I don't know. Because I also have. One, two. Oh. Oh my God, it's time for the how I Met Your Monster conspiracy theory of the week. Hit it.
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Is seven a prequel to the film Waterworld? We have John Doe and he wants to cleanse. Like, maybe he does this whole, like, religious, like, murder spree. And then God is like, okay, now I'm going to send I'm going to do the second Noah's Ark and I flood the world. Yeah, because John Doe did my deeds from and the movie ends.
00;27;32;17 - 00;27;57;23
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We don't see what happens after. It's all implied, but it does rain quite torrential throughout the whole movie. So yeah, it's worth considering that that rain never stopped. And if anything got more big, I got more. That rain got big. God got bigger. And flooded the world. And that's the city. I mean, God, even the city in Waterworld, I think.
00;27;57;23 - 00;28;17;23
How I Met Your Monster
Is it undisclosed? Maybe it's not. Even since I was a kid. Yeah. When they took, when they took John Doe out, they were actually just driving uphill the whole time. Yeah. So why does it get. It rains the whole movie? Until the scene where John Doe turns himself in until the end. Then it's. Then the rain has stopped and the sun is out.
00;28;17;23 - 00;28;42;18
How I Met Your Monster
It's complete. That's a really good. So. Okay, let's let's think about it. So the idea is that he's kind of cleansing this city of filth. Yes. And you could also argue, like no matter how much rain, how much it rains, it doesn't cleanse anything. So I guess there's different ways you could look at it. And then to end in like a barren, dry area.
00;28;42;21 - 00;29;09;27
How I Met Your Monster
But the sun is a, you know, kind of a yeah, but implying that like, even with the sun, like, no, life can kind of bloom like it's kind of Death Valley. Maybe that's. Yeah, I was kind of taking a different approach and seeing it as like from Somerset's point of view, because at the same time that the sun comes out and John Doe turns himself in, Somerset, agrees to stay on and close, try to close the case.
00;29;09;29 - 00;29;31;03
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So maybe he's seeing some light. Well, we've seen earlier that like it's implied that he doesn't finish cases sometimes. He says that our goal here is just to pick up the pieces and just tidy things up and that's it. But now at this point, he's like, okay, I'm going to stay on and I'm going to help you finish this.
00;29;31;06 - 00;30;03;15
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And that's when the sun comes out. I don't know, maybe. Yeah, it could just be that we're kind of we're reaching what the audience is preconception of like a resolution would be. So everything is kind of the rain's cleared. We've caught the killer. Everything's coming up. Daisies. It's also the darkest time in the movie, though. Yeah. There's a, there's like a contrast element to it where we're sort of like told one thing or shown one thing and then told another.
00;30;03;17 - 00;30;22;08
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And maybe it's has some kind of like representation of like the way these characters view the world where it's like it could be both maybe, maybe it's sort of like you have to like he says, like the, you know, the end of the movie is sort of like, yeah, the world sucks, but it's worth fighting for. It's this idea of like, it isn't all just black and white, right?
00;30;22;10 - 00;30;47;21
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It isn't. Yeah. And that's when he when he realizes that he's going to start fighting for it again. Right. Yeah. The sun comes out. Yeah. Now I think it's really interesting that Morgan Freeman plays a man who it's 1995 and he's retiring. And 30 years later, Morgan Freeman is still acting I know, yeah, he's 88 years old man.
00;30;47;24 - 00;31;09;11
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No he's not. Yes he is. Yeah. So he was like 50 something like. Yeah 50 probably 56 when they were filming this movie. Okay. Wow. That's awesome. Good for him. Good for him. And I don't think he started until later in his life. Yeah I know he's like he's like the whole Angela Lansbury thing. He's always just been like.
00;31;09;14 - 00;31;35;06
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But okay, Danny, your conspiracy theory pretty solid. Thank you. But. Okay, guys, we gotta get back on track here. We have, we have some reveals to count, seven. Oddly enough, we counted eight. Official monster reveals. We did, and a couple honorable mentions. If you're new to the show, monster reveals any time that the monsters are revealed to us as the audience or to the characters in the movie.
00;31;35;09 - 00;31;52;19
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Since we really don't get, John Doe later in the movie, but there's so much that happens. We did kind of count each deadly sin as a reveal in this movie. Every time we see a new crime scene or something happens. So I was going to say, because it's sort of like he has his fingerprints on everything, literally.
00;31;52;20 - 00;32;16;22
How I Met Your Monster
He doesn't all cases. He specifically does it. God damn it. Casey, this was your pick for our Devils and Dick's triple feature. Could you read the synopsis from IMDb? Two detectives, a rookie and a veteran. Hunt. A serial killer who uses the seven deadly sins as his motives. Pretty much. Right. One of the best ones we've had.
00;32;16;23 - 00;32;25;06
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Yeah. Doesn't give too much away. Tells you that. Usually it'd be like. And then and now.
00;32;25;09 - 00;32;50;12
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And then Somerset wants to buy a house upstate to move. Yeah. Be allowed. But before he can do that, he must finish the question for you. Yeah. Is this movie, to your knowledge, just based on what you know about, like, real like true crime? Is there anything kind of like this or is it just sort of reminiscent of, like, a Zodiac or something?
00;32;50;15 - 00;33;16;06
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No. Yeah. I mean, there are religious crimes for sure, but nothing to my knowledge that has, you know, there are men. I say men not not even just men. Actually not, people who commit crimes because God has told them to, because they're, you know, they're cleansing the world of sinners. Yes, but no one that's specifically done the seven deadly sins like this.
00;33;16;08 - 00;33;33;01
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They do mention a couple of true crime things in this movie, too, though. Yeah. Like, you know, I don't know if this is what you're talking about, but when they're waiting for the fingerprints to match. And Mills is like talking about why people do it, it's like, oh, my dog told me to do it. Or which is, son of Sam.
00;33;33;01 - 00;33;53;06
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Sam. Son of Sam. Yeah. And then Jodie Foster said something else to Jodie Foster, which is not a real thing. Yes. I mean, you know, Jodie Foster's a real person. Yeah, yeah. She exists. Yeah, yeah. What was his name? The man who tried to assassinate one of the presidents because he wanted Jodie Foster to notice him.
00;33;53;09 - 00;34;19;04
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Yeah. You guys know about that? John Hinckley, junior, John Hinckley jr. So I think let me name starts. I should have looked this up beforehand. My bad guys. John Hinckley Jr, American who attempted, to assassinate Ronald Reagan. Yes, because he wanted Jodie Foster. He wanted to do something grand so that Jodie Foster would notice him.
00;34;19;07 - 00;34;41;27
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Wow. Wow. She did specific. I mean, yeah, she must have heard about it. Yeah. And then he actually pled insanity to. And so he got off. He's really. Well, he spent a long time in an asylum, but he's been released. Well, yeah. I wonder what his favorite Jodie Foster movie is. I don't know, Panic Room? No. Oh, it was actually, it was actually after Taxi Driver.
00;34;41;29 - 00;35;07;26
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Oh. So she was. Well, yeah. Oh, yes. She would have been in a sense. Yeah. Yep. Wow. Yeah. Weird. Yeah. Okay. So there. Oh guys. Interesting. Yeah. Everyone's committing acts of violence in the name of God. Why not commit acts of kindness. Hey that's it. Sometimes they do sometimes too. But yeah, most of the time they don't.
00;35;07;29 - 00;35;37;03
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Just son of a bitch hugged ten people. I mean, he donated to at least 17 charity. Some of it really like some that's really like. Do you guys know who the injury haters know who Andrea and Yates. She was a woman who murdered her five children because she was she obviously she suffered from mental illness, but she legitimately thought that she was saving them because she was afraid they were going to go to hell.
00;35;37;05 - 00;35;52;29
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Oh God. Yeah. Dude, that's fucked up. Yep. You know, I always, I always tell myself the world's a fine place and worth fighting for. I agree with the second part.
00;35;53;01 - 00;36;24;11
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Yeah. All right, well, let's jump to our first reveal, which is gluttony. Gluttony. Well, honey. Oh, God. There's something I want to talk about. Seth, before we get to Glenn. Hold on. We're not getting litany. I know there is just this. There is so much good movie. Yeah, I agree, I agree. So later in the movie or not later, a little bit into the movie, Somerset's talking about maybe he'll work on a farm and fix his house.
00;36;24;14 - 00;36;50;12
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And I was always like, okay, what are you talking about, guy? Yeah. Deleted scene that opened that originally opened the movie was Somerset at an old house. Like looking through an old house, and there's a realtor there, and he's, like, walking through this really quiet farmhouse, and, he peels a piece of wallpaper off the wall with his switchblade and he puts in his pocket.
00;36;50;14 - 00;37;12;14
How I Met Your Monster
Then we cut to opening credits, I believe, and then there's an extended scene of him, like getting ready, and you see the which you do see in the theatrical cut. You see the wallpaper sitting next to his switchblade and everything is he's getting a little flower. Yeah, a little flower. Oh, it was a piece of wallpaper. And that will come into play a little bit later in another deleted scene.
00;37;12;17 - 00;37;30;20
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So they kind of just cut that whole that out. But I thought it was it would have been nice to see that farmhouse scene at the beginning. I instead we cut right to the movie. Just opens with him in the kitchen, which I think is, I do think is a great way to open the movie. Yeah. But yeah I get it.
00;37;30;20 - 00;37;57;15
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But it's also like it's interesting because they show so many they, they discuss so many. How do you say this. Because because Mills and Somerset are clearly like yin and yang, right. They're the opposites. And so that even goes to like how quickly he moved to the city. Mills moved to the city and like, was with that realtor that showed them the place for less than five minutes at a time.
00;37;57;15 - 00;38;20;20
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Five minutes. And how they didn't he didn't care about that. He just wanted to go and he just wanted to get there. And then there's the juxtaposition of Somerset looking through this house and taking his time, and even taking a piece of the wallpaper to do what with who knows. But he's clearly thinking more about this. Yeah, so I get that, but I but the movie is already two hours and seven minutes long, and you know that I get that I like a 90 minute runtime.
00;38;20;20 - 00;38;44;08
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Is it really? It is. And I know it does not feel that way because like like I said earlier, every part of this movie is so intentional. There's not any piece of it that doesn't matter. You know what I mean? So I can understand why they cut it for that reason. You know, it's interesting just talking about Mills and Somerset, one movie that came to mind that I hadn't thought about, and I believe I could be wrong, that the book was already out.
00;38;44;08 - 00;39;10;03
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So I don't know if there was inspiration directly, but, no country for Old Men, Because it's sort of like the too old for this shit detective meets the hot shot rookie, obviously. And you also, you also could have said Lethal Weapon, but whatever. That's fair, man. No country for old men. What a flick, Right. And it's it's very much like the world is changing and it's like it's less.
00;39;10;03 - 00;39;41;21
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It's not just about how we contend with the horrors of the world, but the seemingly increasing, I don't know, not quantity, but, what's the word like? Concentration of evil? And, how it just kind of keeps just becoming more and more untethered and uncontrollable. Yeah, it's it's both sad and, exhilarating. Exhilarating. Yeah. Exhilarating. It gets my blood pumping.
00;39;41;24 - 00;40;04;14
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No. And then one more thing before they get to this opening. This opening reveal, this opening crime scene here. I saw somebody do a great, like, analysis of some of these the way since you're, like, stages his and, like, blocks his scenes. And when Mills is first introduced to Somerset and they come down and they're walking down the, sidewalk.
00;40;04;14 - 00;40;24;08
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Right. And Somerset is just walking straight, straight and steady. And Mills is always trying to keep up ahead of him. Yeah, they go fast and he keeps he keeps getting into running into obstacles. Yeah. He's got a lot of walking by him and he's got to keep moving and dodging and he's just like fumbling along. But he's still trying to keep up.
00;40;24;11 - 00;40;48;12
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And Somerset is just walking straight and steady and nothing gets in his way. And that's fun. Just like the impulsivity of of Mills. And instead of word impulsivity, it is impulsiveness, impulsive and, impulsiveness, you know what I mean? Impulsive? Yes. We get it. Oh, I thought that was pretty cool. Yeah, that is cool. And,
00;40;48;14 - 00;41;03;14
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Yeah. Then we get to. Okay, now, guys, we're here. Don't worry. Don't worry about it. I hope you guys like spaghetti. Oh, I'm making spaghetti tonight. Okay. Hello. This movie got me really angry.
00;41;03;17 - 00;41;30;19
How I Met Your Monster
For spaghetti? You think every, like, noodle he ate? They kind of. John Doe treated it like the lady and the tramp scene where, like, they would, like, kiss after and no string of spaghetti. That's simple. That's love. That's absolutely. That's true. Yeah. This. I mean, it's gross. It is, you know. Yeah. What a way to open up. Because, like, it's such a high concept movie, you know, so it's very fun.
00;41;30;19 - 00;41;55;13
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So you, you have to lead with like, what is the most bold visual representation of what this movie is? And that shot, when it's just the camera's pushing in, the victim is just, like, baked into my memory. It's so disturbing. Yeah. And just like, the way it like the fact that he's, like, forced to eat to death, like it's so fucked up.
00;41;55;16 - 00;42;16;14
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And, you know, just the, the way Mills, you see the difference between the way Mills is like kind of I don't say joking around, but he's kind of just like hey look at this meatball for his, his heart's got to be the size of a canned ham. Yeah. He can't because he acts like kind of like the things don't bother him.
00;42;16;16 - 00;42;36;11
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Like, he's kind of like too cool for school a little bit, but he is immediately bothered by it. Just like. Yeah, the visual, like the, the vomit. Whereas Somerset is just sort of like, well, yeah. I mean like, I'm not like don't play the part if you can't commit to the bit because yeah, I at least recognize how fucked up this situation is.
00;42;36;14 - 00;42;57;16
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Well, just like set the world and Mills is the opposite. I think that Mills I think that Mills also like you get this. They made it so that you get the sense that he also doesn't like these people. Do you know what I mean? Like, he probably was disgusted by that man, you know, and so like him and him and John Doe aren't really that much different.
00;42;57;16 - 00;43;17;26
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I mean, he's not killing these people, but, you know, you were talking about the homophobic stuff and, you know, he's always angry about something. So, you know, like, I think he would be disgusted by this human being and, you know, the other ones there that follow. So, okay, because I was trying to figure out his character, it's like at first I thought he was naive.
00;43;17;29 - 00;43;50;26
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And then I remembered, like the whole point of the movie, it's sort of there is like more optimism. But then I'm like, is it optimism or is it denial? You know, like where Somerset maybe could, you know, he is trying to seek out like some positive value in a world that he thinks is like too far gone, whereas like Mills is like so dead set on, like making things work, you know, like I was just he was an interesting character because ultimately obviously becomes the final target.
00;43;51;00 - 00;44;10;01
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Right. And I mean, it's it's that like hot shot, hot shot oddness of him that kind of puts the spotlight on him. Yeah. He's just a that's very interesting. Yeah. You know there's like you have like vocal versus vocal stems or something that you hear in a movie. And then you just like you always say it for the rest of your life.
00;44;10;01 - 00;44;35;06
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Yeah, this is one for me. It was like, I don't say it often, but like, I hear it sometimes, like when he says fucking vomit, it's. Just like, damn. It's, Yeah. He thinks he's, you know, because he's been doing it for five years or whatever that he's like he talks about, but he's still like talks a big game.
00;44;35;06 - 00;44;57;15
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He's still like really disturbed by all these things and can't stomach half the stuff. And. Yeah, well it's like and then Mills even kind of like sets him up like he's trying to prepare him and it's that, Somerset. I'm sorry. Yes. Because I can remember. Because Somerset sets him up. Somerset. Oh, that's the Somerset. And that's why in that for this specific.
00;44;57;20 - 00;45;20;08
How I Met Your Monster
His real name is just summer. But, when summer sets him up, that's his Nick Somerset, his nickname, because he's always setting people up. So, like, just like, some of, damn it. No, but, where was I? Sorry. I lost my train of thought. Somerset. Sorry. I know it's not your fault. All I do is just.
00;45;20;10 - 00;45;43;03
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Oh, yeah. About, like, moving to the city. Like, how many times does he have to say, like, this is fucking different. And he's just. There's too much hubris in Mills to accept that. Yeah. You know, what's funny is this is probably, maybe one of the dumbest, takeaways. But I was thinking initially of, like, when I was saying that I was imagining him, like, working, obviously.
00;45;43;03 - 00;46;03;18
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Like when you work with crime and death, it's bad no matter what. But it's sort of like he entered the inner circle of hell, and I was like, oh, there's seven circles of hell. So he's sort of like the worst version. And they talk about Dante's Inferno and be, yeah, there's a cool visual when he's in and, investigating the greed murder, which we'll get to.
00;46;03;20 - 00;46;23;02
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And he like, he's walking to the crime scene and you see him go. He enters through an exit door. Yeah. And just like the word exit is really big, and it's very prominent. And I was just thinking, maybe I was thinking too much into it, but, like, it's like telling him to, like, go back to, like, everything, like the city and everything is being like, stay out.
00;46;23;02 - 00;46;43;28
How I Met Your Monster
And he's just, like, going through it. He's like, well, I mean, I like drew so. Well, yeah, it's, it's. Yeah, I don't know if I'm a genius or if, well, to that point. Right. That's our second reveal is greed, right. So in between these two, they both have a chance to get out of this, right?
00;46;43;29 - 00;47;07;20
How I Met Your Monster
They meet with the captain, and he's trying. He's trying to get them to not do this case anymore. So, you know, Mills is too stubborn, and his wife could have perhaps lived if he wouldn't have, if he would have put his ego aside. And just which is there's so many ways to read this movie because it's what's disturbing and fucked up about that.
00;47;07;20 - 00;47;33;04
How I Met Your Monster
And I'm sure it's intentional, because that's the whole point of the movie is very there's a nihilism to it is like they're not trying to stay on it. Their intention is so good. No, it's like they want to solve it. Evil. Yeah. You know, so, you know, you want to root for them. But the whole point of the movie is like John Doe winning and being like, no, like there is sin everywhere.
00;47;33;04 - 00;47;59;08
How I Met Your Monster
I need to highlight that. And I need to show you that it's unavoidable. Like there's nothing you can do. So it's such a this movie, like, just messes with your head. Yeah. Because you by rooting for them to do the right thing, they're playing into the trap of showing, of proving a point. Right? Because he he knows what they're going to do because he knows the sinful nature of humans and and what you know, Somerset didn't want to do it.
00;47;59;10 - 00;48;22;12
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And he ended up after Mills wouldn't leave the case because of his ego and and knowing that he could solve it and stuff like that, which again, John Doe knew would happen. Yeah, I was going back and forth thinking about like, he doesn't know these. He's not out to get like Somerset and Mills. Yeah. Like specifically maybe. You think so.
00;48;22;15 - 00;48;46;26
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I mean I think it was probably Mills rather quickly. He said that he, you know, it's easy to pay people to get information, which I mean I do. I, I mentioned this earlier, I do have another conspiracy theory which we'll get to later, but which is the murders happened before Mills enters the case. Okay. Maybe now's the time for my second conspiracy theory.
00;48;46;26 - 00;48;58;29
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I thought it was later. Soon I thought it was later. Maybe it's going to be now. It is time for this second. How I Met your Monster. Conspiracy theory of the week. Hit it.
00;48;59;02 - 00;49;05;18
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I think that Somerset absolutely.
00;49;05;20 - 00;49;25;23
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I think that Somerset is secretly working with John. No, I when I said absolutely, I meant it. He's the one who said it's very easy to get info from people when they kill him. At the end he looks at him and he says, oh, he didn't know about him being pregnant. Who did he get that info from about her being pregnant?
00;49;26;00 - 00;49;42;06
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Who did? Who did John Doe get that info from? Oh, she probably my I was like because he said she begged for her life and for the life of the baby. Insider oh, maybe. But still, I think I thought that, yeah, if you wanted to play into that, you play into that. And because he's, he always like know who got the information.
00;49;42;09 - 00;50;06;18
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Yep. And when John Doe turns himself in in the police station the lines are cut. I don't know if it's just like I can't imagine David Fincher screwing up an eyeline, but it looks like John Doe is looking at Somerset and he says oh I know you, And yep, I think in the movie he's supposed to be talking to Somerset Mills, right?
00;50;06;18 - 00;50;40;03
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But I'm like, okay, well, that's weird. And then, there's all this stuff that plays out way too conveniently, like Victor finding him on the, the, the one year anniversary of when he started. He's like, he wanted us to find a this day. Mills doesn't really find any of the clues. It's all Somerset. He finds the fucking, he he convinces, he pushes Mills to question the wife to find something in the scene that's different.
00;50;40;10 - 00;51;03;04
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And it's the upside down painting. Somerset is the one that finds the fingerprints on the walls. Somerset is the one that finds the stuff behind the fucking refrigerator. Somerset's the one that finds all this stuff. I think. I think part doing it on purpose. Part of that could be just his experience. But I do agree with you. I thought that too, and also to the point of the pregnancy thing.
00;51;03;06 - 00;51;23;14
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We don't know where the opening credits fit into in this movie, but he is already looking up. There's a part in the opening credits where he's looking up facts about pregnancy, like it shows a newspaper article, it shows articles that he's reading about pregnancy. So. He couldn't have done that after he murdered her. He went right to the precinct.
00;51;23;20 - 00;51;50;09
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Okay. So assuming that this theory is correct, do you think there's a way in which because he's retiring because of his outlook on the world, that it's less about him like being in on it with John Doe, but that he is sort of like feeding, secretly feeding him information to catch him? No. But isn't. Oh yeah. Because oh well, I think like, I don't know.
00;51;50;09 - 00;52;15;09
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Is he surprised to see the head in the box? Like maybe he doesn't understand the whole plan, but he also doesn't see any harm in like killing quote unquote bad people. I don't think it's purposeful. I think that when they see him as the photographer in the hallway, he. Somerset says that they pay good money to get information from officers and it's very easy for them to get.
00;52;15;11 - 00;52;40;24
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So I think I think that Somerset unknowingly was giving him information and being paid for it. That was helping him, do these things. Yeah. So he could afford the farmhouse so that he could hire him. And, well, he was all of the seven deadly sins. He was going to get the farmhouse so that him and John Doe could use it and, like, hide the bodies there.
00;52;40;26 - 00;52;44;19
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Okay? Like, okay.
00;52;44;21 - 00;53;06;04
How I Met Your Monster
No, this this is this is great. I will say that I really don't think that Somerset was working with John Doe. I think. But it is a fascinating. But it is a fun thing to think about. Yeah. And it fits it really. You know, a lot of the points Casey made like it really. It works if you think about it that way.
00;53;06;07 - 00;53;10;28
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Yeah, that's fun. Fuck you. Morgan.
00;53;11;00 - 00;53;24;21
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Well, yeah. Because he like, you know, he's he's sick of all the things in the world. And so he also is like, I don't want to I don't want to do the killing. But I want to get rid of this shit. So yeah. Or I'm not going to turn a blind eye like I might give him a few tips.
00;53;24;21 - 00;53;43;23
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You know, if ever there was a killer to not want to stop, it's the guy ridding the city I that I hate of Zinn. Because, you know, he's all about informants because of the pizza parlor guy we seen with the pizza parlor when they came to get the guy the money to go get the names from the FBI library library card list.
00;53;43;23 - 00;54;10;07
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But Morgan Freeman, Somerset may be the a sin with apathy. Like, oh, yeah, Casey, I think we talked about this off mike. Oh, what was this you discovered? There's an eight deadly sin. Oh, this is like the end of 13 ghosts. He's like, you're the 13th ghost. It's like, oh, there you are, the eighth sin theta. Listen, I don't know how to pronounce it.
00;54;10;07 - 00;54;38;08
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It's acedia. So acedia. Acedia. Okay. It is often described as a form of spiritual sloth, apathy or profound boredom with God. I don't know, maybe he's that eighth kind of is until the end when he is, you know, he sees the light. I guess after all that rain, a refusal to embrace joy in divine matters. Yeah, I think it's sort of like he's given up on he.
00;54;38;08 - 00;54;56;06
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It's like someone who's like, well, God turned his back on me, so I'm going to turn my back on, you know. Yeah, that's really interesting because there is that scene where they're and they're in the bar later and he's like, you're saying that like you're better than all this apathy stuff. And Simon says like, no, I'm not better than it.
00;54;56;06 - 00;55;22;28
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I'm I'm part of it. But it still sucks. You guys are we also reading here? Some consider deceit to be the eighth sin, and if that's true, he would be the most deceptive. If he is working with dough. There's just a part of me like I know, I know, I presented this theory, but there's a part of me that just like, I think it's like how we're conditioned as, like millennials.
00;55;23;00 - 00;55;48;28
How I Met Your Monster
They're just like Morgan Freeman cannot do, can't do wrong. Something wrong. He's gone. Yeah that's right. Yeah. Like he's you can't you know I don't want to believe that he would be an evil character. But that would be the ultimate twist is like yeah, yeah, a quiet killer, you know, well, I like dude. Okay, so I second reveal.
00;55;49;01 - 00;56;11;16
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The most profound reveal of all time. And moving on. No, it's. Well, you know, we were talking earlier about the yin and yang thing between him and between Mills and Somerset, and especially you see it in this second crime scene, greed, where Mills just comes in and he busts open the door to the crime scene. He throws his jacket on the floor.
00;56;11;16 - 00;56;32;22
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He plops down in the chair. He's fucking watching TV walk, almost walking over the fucking blood on the floor. He's just so careless. And this is where I noticed that, like his shirts throughout the movie are always wrinkled. And he looks disheveled. He looks disheveled. His his shirts are always wrinkled. He's always says like he's got the tie.
00;56;32;22 - 00;56;52;22
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That's always tied already. He needs tightens it up, and then you get Mills, who is like his shirts are pressed. He's very you know, his bed's made very nice. He's got his thing. He's even got the ultimate Somerset. I mean, I think I said Mills, but, in this scene particularly, it bothers me how fucked up his like, gun thing is.
00;56;52;24 - 00;56;57;15
How I Met Your Monster
Oh my God. I'm like twisted. Yes.
00;56;57;17 - 00;57;17;00
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He is, one of the, you know, I was talking about, like the the weird, like, homophobia stuff that got cut out after the first scene where he tells Mills to go question the neighbors. They're driving back in the car and he's like, just don't jerk me off. That's all I'm asking you to do is don't jerk me off.
00;57;17;03 - 00;57;37;19
How I Met Your Monster
And they cut out a thing where Somerset is like, we're going to see him against me jerking you off as well. No, it's interesting because he's like, you know, from here on out for the next seven days, we're going to spend every waking moment together. If I start jerking you off, that's going to be weird. Basically, we're going to start bickering about everything.
00;57;37;19 - 00;57;56;12
How I Met Your Monster
He's like, I think it's best if you jerk yourself off and it's just like, oh, it's sweet. It's almost like out of character from what we know. So like that scene, I'm like, okay, I understand why that was cut because it just doesn't. Yeah. Weird with the character. I think that it's interesting because I never heard people use that phrase as that jerk.
00;57;56;12 - 00;58;21;00
How I Met Your Monster
My chain. No, but older people that the boomers that I work with use that as a like, oh, you're jerking me off. And I was like, don't say that. It's jerking me. All that mean. Yeah, do not say that to me. Quit masturbating me. That's what it means.
00;58;21;02 - 00;58;29;11
How I Met Your Monster
Quit pulling on my penis.
00;58;29;13 - 00;59;02;07
How I Met Your Monster
Pulling on my penis. Yeah. Dude, that's all I'm asking you to do. Just don't pull on my penis, okay? Somerset's like, okay, I won't. Pull on your own penis. Anyway, greed. The. I do love how after they establish like that, you see greed written and then he goes back to the crime scene and then finds gluttony and it's like, oh, and you had that great moment with Morgan Freeman listing off the seven deadly sins.
00;59;02;10 - 00;59;29;24
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And I love that. There's no, like, resistance. You know, sometimes in a movie, it's sort of like, we gotta defy the boss's odds. It's like, oh no, this. Yeah. Checks out. I think this is exactly what's happening. This reminds me of maybe not related at all, but as much as I love the scream movies, there's a line in scream three that always bothers me because these two detectives show up and they're like, yeah, there's two victims.
00;59;29;24 - 00;59;55;15
How I Met Your Monster
He's like, ten more and there'll be a calendar, or we can make it a calendar. And I'm like, sure, what? It's not like if I could see if it was like ten killings and it's like two more, two more calendar. It's like, what you missing about that. Yeah. I mean it's the optimistic moment or that's like the bad version of this, of how this plays out.
00;59;55;17 - 01;00;24;18
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But yeah, we're we're in it now. It's the, the high concept that we mentioned is in full effect. This killer is killing people based on the seven deadly sins. Danny, you should have wrote the IMDb synopsis. And then they move up north. Nevertheless, that's his dream. And then by the end of act two, that, let's see, before we get to our third reveal, which is sloth, we have to talk about the dinner scene.
01;00;24;20 - 01;00;48;21
How I Met Your Monster
Right. Well, I I'm still talking about the greed. Oh. Let's do it. What do you got? It's nothing major. It's just that, there's this that I haven't even started the movies. They keep showing that there's a headless statue. Oh, there's a head. It's true. Yeah. It's like, While later they. When they flip the painting, it's on that little table that's in front of the painting.
01;00;48;24 - 01;01;09;22
How I Met Your Monster
Oh, yeah. Wow. Yeah. I did not catch that. That's pretty cool. That's cool. And they show it when again, like when they are just showing all the stuff in the room they show. Oh, that's the I do remember because there's the, there's the headless bust and then there's a jar of some like hand cream from goop, Gwyneth Paltrow's company.
01;01;09;25 - 01;01;31;10
How I Met Your Monster
So it's like, oh, they're telling us what's happening. If you're paying attention, you will figure out the ending of this movie. Well, they also show. Did you guys notice how often they just show Gwyneth Paltrow said, I'm not lying about this by the head. Oh, that's interesting. Like they show her just her head all the time. The framing of it.
01;01;31;10 - 01;01;54;14
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. And every time she says something, it's always a punch. She's like, Matt, heads are going to roll up what is. So how is that relevant to this? And she's like, hey, heads up that hey decapitation. Am I right? Yeah. And she starts running out of them. She's like, decapitation. Like, what's your favorite movie? Oh my God, I just put it together.
01;01;54;14 - 01;02;22;17
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Andrew Kevin Walker, who wrote this, also wrote Sleepy Hollow, Sleepy Hollow. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's got a thing. Son of a bitch. Son of a bitch. There's our Christopher. He also wrote fucking eight millimeter. Oh, it's like brain, though. You meant like eight millimeter. Millimeter. What? I don't even understand the sentence he wrote eight millimeter, which I have not seen.
01;02;22;20 - 01;02;47;06
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Yeah. And I don't know 20 years, but I remember it being so good. It's like another like I've never seen it really dark sexual kind of thing going on. It's got Nicolas Cage and Joaquin Phoenix. I remember it being really fucking good, but also very much like seven. Just very, very dark. And he wrote Brain Scan, which is I fucking really with Edward Furlong.
01;02;47;09 - 01;03;10;26
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He wrote, the 2010 Wolfman screenplay. Anyways, also has a great decapitation in that movie. Okay, guys, favorite movies with numbers in them? One for the money, two for the serious oh three to get ready, two for the show, four to go for, three. Isn't there a movie called, like, it Takes Three to tango or something like that?
01;03;11;02 - 01;03;37;04
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Three Musketeers to tango, three to tango. Three to tango. Oh, three musketeers. Four. Is there a four brothers? Does speed four proves to be obsessed with four brothers? Anything? It's two. Four brothers. Five. We need four. Oh, Five nights at Freddy's. Oh, it's. Thank you. You're killing it. He's, you know, six, eight, six. I don't know, you got me.
01;03;37;06 - 01;03;58;20
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She was too nice to me about it. And, six, six Feet under is a show. Six six on the counts for counting it. Okay. It's. So it was this. It was the beginning of peak television that was so cinematic. It may as well be a a prolonged movie. Seven, of course, seven eight millimeter. Eight millimeter.
01;03;58;22 - 01;04;19;24
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Because my head's in a duffel bag just for movie nine. That's good to the movie. Nine. Yep. Ten. The ten by, David Wayne. And I think we could probably camp it there. Oh, okay. What is that, nine? We keep going. Nine. It's not about nine yards. Ocean's 11, Ocean's 12. What's the fucking. I'm thinking about 11 or something.
01;04;19;25 - 01;04;43;26
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah, I'm thinking of, like, Bruce Willis and Matthew Perry. What's that movie? Oh, the whole nine yards. And then the whole ten yards. Okay. Yeah. Because how did we get here? What are we talking about? Danny just randomly started asking. But, guys, can we talk about the dinner scene? Yeah, yeah, let's talk about it. Yeah. So,
01;04;43;28 - 01;05;03;26
How I Met Your Monster
Come on. Jack. Oh, we really wanted to talk about it. I can't fucking remember it. No, there's two things I want to say. One thing is, about a cut, a cut part of it. And another part is after the dinner scene. But they're still in the apartment. So, what's his name? This reveals a little bit more about Mills's character.
01;05;03;28 - 01;05;24;10
How I Met Your Monster
Somerset takes off his jacket after, and they're talking about, like, the gun, and they're like, guns make me uncomfortable. He's like, I won't wear it to the dinner table. He puts his jacket on the couch and his the little piece of wallpaper falls out. And Tracy's like, oh, you dropped something. And she's like, very nosy. She's like, what is it?
01;05;24;12 - 01;05;30;21
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And, like, who would do that? But it's my fucking hemorrhoid medication. Leave me alone.
01;05;30;23 - 01;05;49;00
How I Met Your Monster
She's like. He like, she's like, is that wallpaper? And she's like, you're such a strange man. And he's like, he kind of like, takes this. And she's like, I don't mean any offense to it. It's just nice to see somebody. And she kind of stops and she says, this is different than David, because if David saw that wallpaper, he would call you a, fag.
01;05;49;01 - 01;06;11;28
How I Met Your Monster
Eating what? Wow. White and Somerset goes, well, I won't show it to him then. And he kind of smiles and puts it back in his pocket. Oh, here. And it's you know, Mills is just like, you know, we've kind of talked to death about it already, but it reinforces that, like, he's just like this. You know, they talk about being high school sweethearts and you can see he's very much just like a high school.
01;06;11;28 - 01;06;29;00
How I Met Your Monster
Like which he's ready to go. Give me a fucking badge and a gun. Let's do this. So that's what I was saying. Like, there's all this, like, homophobia stuff that's in there. That was cut out, that if I are getting this so into it. Yeah. Yeah. Which is just, you know, it's kind of nice because it's not like I don't like is.
01;06;29;02 - 01;07;00;28
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. Reveal like I'm thinking of a, you know, just like another 90s thriller is and we talked about this on the show is silence of the lambs, where they start to make correlations between, you know, someone who is trans or, you know, and she specifically calls it out because there is this thing where the audience, especially then might, you know, there was a lot of they would vilify a lot of people who were part of the LGBTQ community.
01;07;01;00 - 01;07;30;25
How I Met Your Monster
Sure. And the movie was very bold in that she comes out and says there is no correlation between you know, violence and someone who is trans or queer or anything. So it at least has a perspective on it. And there's there's a reason to address it. Whereas in this movie I don't understand, like maybe there's something with like masculinity and like two men working, but it doesn't really go anywhere with that.
01;07;30;25 - 01;07;50;12
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Like, yeah, yeah, it's a cop movie. Like we don't no one's questioning that. I think it's just an easy it was an easy way. I think in the mid 90s to make like an easy jab to take, I guess. But also to still make him to be a hater, if that makes sense. Do you know what I mean?
01;07;50;12 - 01;08;23;23
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Yeah. Like it was an easy thing to showcase that he's a hateful person. Yeah. It's weirdly, I think we sometimes forget how much the world has changed for the good in terms of like, the way the queer community is treated. Obviously there are a lot of problems, but just considering like how like we always joke more, we don't joke, but like we talk about how or at least I've mentioned how like when you're a kid, like you say words that were so offensive, but it was just kind of like part of the lexicon, you know, you can say it to be mean.
01;08;23;23 - 01;08;56;28
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You said it because it was just universally said, so back then, maybe that idea of like, I don't know. Yeah. Like just maybe it's just like how gross the world is even in, like, small little subsets of our language. Right. Well, in good, real world news at the time of this recording, we were recording this on February 15th, earlier this week, the Trump administration ordered the pride flag in front of Stonewall to be lowered.
01;08;57;00 - 01;09;23;24
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And the people just. I think yesterday or the day before, just fucking put it back up like you, they were like, fuck you, we're raising it back up. And I thought that was just fucking awesome. Yeah. But, okay, at the end of this dinner scene where Somerset stays and they are going over the photos, this detail that I never picked up on until this time, watching it, Mills says, I'm going to go get another beer.
01;09;23;24 - 01;09;47;09
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Do you want one? And Somerset wine, please? He pours him a full pint glass full of wine, and he brings it to him, and Somerset just takes it and whatever. It's a throwaway moment, whatever. But then when the train comes by again and everything starts shaking, Somerset picks up his glass so that it doesn't, you know, fall over and you see him do a double take.
01;09;47;09 - 01;10;09;16
How I Met Your Monster
He's like, what the fuck? Like basically being like, why do I have so much wine here? Like, what is this? So it's just another little character thing for Mills. Like he doesn't like anyone with him being disheveled. Like there's no etiquette. Yeah, yeah. Disheveled. Yeah. He's just like, oh yeah, he doesn't. I guess it's like a, like a cultured thing where, like, he's still a kid.
01;10;09;16 - 01;10;26;20
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He doesn't know that, right? He's like, oh yeah, I'm going to fill up a glass of wine. Here you go. I wonder if this goes to like the gay thing too, because wine could be less manly than beer. And so he puts it in a pint glass. Yeah. For it. Yeah. To seem a little bit more masculine. Oh, yeah.
01;10;26;20 - 01;10;51;16
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It's a full glass of. Yeah, yeah. Like. Oh, that's interesting, I like that. And just seeing Somerset's like double take on it is so funny because. Yeah, he picks it up. Oh, shit. Okay, guys, do you want to talk about our third reveal? Wow. Number three, it's only about a half. The number three is sloughed.
01;10;51;19 - 01;11;13;15
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Yeah, that's a good one. Not to be confused with you guys. The topia, the Goonies. Either one is sloth. Hollywood's favorite word. It's an exo. So, Yeah, this is, this is, this is a good one. They're all good ones. Who am I kidding? They're all good. It's just so gross. It is gross. It's for me.
01;11;13;15 - 01;11;41;29
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It's the bedsores. Yeah. So they didn't get me. They didn't know that that guy was an actor. They thought that was just a prop. And so when he's like, yeah. Oh yeah, they were all actually fucking terrified. Bullshit. That's what I read, several little things. But do you guys I did not notice. And I don't know if you guys know who he is or if you care, but I didn't notice until this time that I watched it.
01;11;41;29 - 01;12;05;17
How I Met Your Monster
That that's what later guy is. John C McGinley. Yeah, yeah, I had no idea. And I was like, wait, you talk to Cox? And I. Oh, yeah, I, I tend to, I tend to notice him whenever he pops up in something. Because when I was younger, he was in, surviving the game, which is a really good fucking movie.
01;12;05;19 - 01;12;23;03
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And I always just, like, thought he was a really good actor. And so, like, he always, he always stands out to me, but. Well, I first I noticed him when he was in that, that it was so dark in there and I could, like, barely see his face. I could just make out like, his cheekbones. And I was like, yeah, yeah, such distinct cheekbones.
01;12;23;05 - 01;12;49;07
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Yeah. And he ends up I didn't put him on my official list of real monsters, but he he has the line right where he says, you got what you deserved. God, just I, I know why it's there, because the movie's making a point, but, like. Yeah, damn it. It's like, that's one of the biggest problems I would argue with this world is like that empathy and.
01;12;49;09 - 01;13;14;14
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Yeah. Empathy. Yeah. Just understanding someone and like, trying to, like, walking. Well, here, you know, I keep going on about these fucking deleted scenes, but when they're about to do that raid, the captain has to, like, tell him to be chill. Yeah. Basically, like, don't go in there and shoot up the place. Yeah. Because the press will be there in like ten minutes or something.
01;13;14;19 - 01;13;36;03
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And. Yeah, his name's, his name is California in the, in the movie in California says, what did you say, make headlines. Not obituaries. Right, captain? Oh, gosh. And he's like, yeah, that's right. It's so fucked up. How like again, we don't have to get into it, but like, just how relevant that is. I know I was like, I'm gonna say any people who have.
01;13;36;08 - 01;13;58;04
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Yeah. Like, there's that joke is a meme. It's like I was, you know, a troubled teen, and I couldn't get like, you know, nothing worked out for me. I'm going to join the police force. Yeah. Yeah. Basically the vibe you get from a guy like that. Oh, of course, I mean, a lot of cops, or it's just disgruntled.
01;13;58;06 - 01;14;16;00
How I Met Your Monster
Masculine. Yeah, yeah, that's what you get that with Mills, too? Like, you know, they're saying that he's just like he wants to play the part and just be. Yeah, play the part is a great way to. It's just a it's cosplay. No Somerset calls him out later when they're at the bar and he says like you. But of course you want to be the hero.
01;14;16;00 - 01;14;24;23
How I Met Your Monster
You want to be a champion. Yeah. All right. Well, this fucking movie's breaking me down quite a bit.
01;14;24;26 - 01;14;45;00
How I Met Your Monster
Why? I'm with you, Somerset. Yeah. So we get, Victor is his name. What's your bond, Victor? What's the first part of that? He said, Roger. Roger, what's your victor? But you. Yeah. Roger. Roger. What's your what's your victor? Victor.
01;14;45;02 - 01;15;08;15
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So funny. That was that was cut from this. Yeah. Casey, you had an honorable mention of the, photographer in the hallway. Yeah. Which turns out to be John Doe, which we don't know that at the time. If you're watching this for the first time, you don't know that's John Doe. But. Oh, they also mentioned not to get too hung up on it, but we were talking about Somerset that your conspiracy theory and he mentions it.
01;15;08;18 - 01;15;35;18
How I Met Your Monster
Did you already say this? Maybe I'm being an idiot, but when he mentions how, like, the FBI is secretly keeping tabs on people based on, like, the books they take out of the library. Yeah. And even Mills is like, what? That's fucking crazy. Like the FBI really was doing that. Yeah, yeah. But then Somerset will make such a big stink about like protocol with breaking the door down later.
01;15;35;21 - 01;15;57;26
How I Met Your Monster
Is that just a ruse? Well, yeah. Well, because this is. Well, you know, he says we need a reason to knock on this door. Yeah, later, before he breaks it down. Will cause. But earlier, before the shootout happened, they were going to go knock on the door just to talk to him. So, okay, so if they were going to go talk to him.
01;15;57;29 - 01;16;13;03
How I Met Your Monster
So when he says we need a reason to knock on the door the second time, he's he really means break the door down, because if they go talk to him, that's one thing. But anything if they were to break in their anything that they were to find without a warrant is admissible in court and cannot be used.
01;16;13;06 - 01;16;34;08
How I Met Your Monster
No, I understand that. So I guess the difference. But earlier he's like, we're just going to talk to him, right? Like he would still say like how did they get his name? Well, yes and no. But that's the thing is they can't they still they just want to talk to him for their own gain. They don't think that there's going to be anything necessarily that they can use at that point.
01;16;34;11 - 01;16;52;10
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But after the whole chase scene, they know that whatever they find in there is going to be able to. Yeah, put this man away. Isn't the law weird when he thinks if they open the door on their own, then they can't? Yeah, right, I get it. I get why these laws, why it all works? Because you don't want people just breaking down doors right over assumptions.
01;16;52;17 - 01;17;12;24
How I Met Your Monster
That's like. That's. This is a killer's lair. It's all like it. We found the layer. Yeah, but that. But the thing is that it, you know, like, it does have to all be done the correct way for everybody. You know, you know, talking about our current. Yeah. Landscape. Yeah. I use knocking on door to door on.
01;17;12;27 - 01;17;22;23
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Can open the door. Yeah yeah yeah. Oh yeah I can't I'm like why can't we just break down for something.
01;17;22;25 - 01;17;33;17
How I Met Your Monster
So it's good that they don't just do that Sandy okay. Where do you become. We're slowly losing Danny.
01;17;33;20 - 01;17;58;27
How I Met Your Monster
Oh no. Oh. Yeah. But this is our. This is our fourth reveal. This is the shootout. Really intense scene. It's it's, you know, there's a whole thing throughout this movie about guns, and, you know, they talk about, you know, Tracy talks about how guns make her uncomfortable. Somerset agrees. They talk about have you ever pulled your weapon, Somerset?
01;17;58;28 - 01;18;13;04
How I Met Your Monster
I says, I've only drawn it three times with and I've never shot it. And showed her three pictures of his guns that he drew.
01;18;13;06 - 01;18;27;12
How I Met Your Monster
I thought he was, like taking off his shirt, his, like, his arms. And he's like, I've only pulled these guns out, right? Okay. It shows his biceps. It's just a clips of him flexing.
01;18;27;14 - 01;18;45;15
How I Met Your Monster
No. But, you know, he says he's only pulled his gun out three times, never fired it. And then after that, we start to see him pull his gun more and more. When they're going through the apartment, once they, you know, break down the door and he's like, he sees even see something suspicious. And he pulls his gun out.
01;18;45;17 - 01;19;06;18
How I Met Your Monster
And then at the end, he fires it up into the sky like a warning shot to that delivery driver. So, yeah, there's something there where he's never fired it in the line of duty. But then he does it. He does fire it up into the air. And maybe it's just kind of like playing into the idea that this is bigger and worse than anything.
01;19;06;18 - 01;19;31;05
How I Met Your Monster
Even Somerset, who we've established is so, like, burnt out by the world, like it's worse than anything he's ever witnessed. And even, Mills says to me at one point he's like, have you ever seen anything like this? And he's like, no. Yeah. So this is where we find out when they break into the apartment, we obviously establish this is John Doe's lair.
01;19;31;07 - 01;19;57;18
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And we also see that it was they had just met him. He was a photographer. So like everything kind of starts to, like, connect. All the dots are starting to connect. Yeah. And he Mills even he even calls them. They're even talk on the phone. Yeah. There's a thing that frustrates me so much in this when he's like he finds the photos in the tub and then he's like yelling for Somerset to come in there.
01;19;57;20 - 01;20;21;25
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And he sits down and Somerset comes in and he just looks at them and Somerset. Somerset is like, what? And he's like, we had him. Okay. What are you talking about? Yeah. Like that's like one of my pet peeves where people like they want to tell you something but they like make you ask totally. And I'm like, like if somebody like, laughs at something and it's clear they want to share it with you.
01;20;21;28 - 01;20;53;20
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Yeah. Oh, you're like, what's funny? Or they're like, tell me. Yeah. What's the matter? What's what's wrong? Oh he's like somebody said he comes in, he's like, what? Just fucking tell me what he's doing. Yeah. You know, I'm a little bit upset about the fact that my apartment resembles this man's apartment. I was thinking, I said I was thinking Kate Price, all the killer stuff.
01;20;53;20 - 01;21;16;02
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I was like, Casey would love to live here. Yeah, 100%. Everything was painted black. There was just religious paraphernalia everywhere and weird shit in jars. Oh, and a bunch of books I don't read, but I love the esthetic of, like, Spacey. Yeah. Love it. So, that's that's so funny. Because I was watching it. I was like, oh my God, Casey would love this.
01;21;16;02 - 01;21;36;25
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Yeah, that's not that's what it lit. Yeah. Oh, I love the neon cross above his bed. Fucking bad ass dudes. I love that. I might do that. Casey just wants to sleep on, like, a little the court with, like. No, I still need my king size bed. No, I need my king size bed for me. My task?
01;21;36;28 - 01;21;40;09
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Yeah.
01;21;40;12 - 01;22;16;08
How I Met Your Monster
There's one corner of the room. Looks like a pure one catalog. It's just that. And then everything else is just like crazy. I love it. They find the, the receipt for Wild Bill's leather shop. Not Buffalo Bill's leather shop. Wow. Funny that is. Yeah. I subconsciously kept drawing it connections to sell something because even in sounds of the lambs, when she kind of discovers she starts discovering Buffalo Bill's identity, she, they find the head in the jar in the in that little storage place.
01;22;16;10 - 01;22;41;20
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Yeah. And this was like the hand in the jar. Yeah. And, Buffalo Bill, like, was like the skin. It's the kind of like leather. This is Wild Bill's leather, then. Yeah. Anyways, it's funny leather and. Oh, my gosh, it's funny. The amount that we talked about in last episode, the connections between Exorcist three and this police procedural thing and the sounds of the lambs.
01;22;41;20 - 01;23;03;26
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Now we're talking about seven and Sounds of the lambs and anyways, is the name of the Rose going to have a clear connection to science? Well, if if the name of the rose, our next episode coming up, if somebody bleeds to death in that movie, that'll be three movies in a row. And then this triple feature where someone is bled to death.
01;23;03;28 - 01;23;22;28
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Because the captain mentions the, the that is it. Eli Gould, the defense attorney for the greed in second reveal was that he was bled to death. Oh I'm going to clock that. Oh, God, I know that we're past that, but can you imagine having to cut a pound your flesh, dude, with one hand to say the other?
01;23;22;29 - 01;23;57;04
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The other hand was bound, and he had a knife with one hand, and he had. What do we have saw without seven? Yeah. No, I thought about that a lot. It's very, very similar. Okay. Yeah. Also the punishment, like people deserving these things to happen to them and also the opportunity to get out of them, like the games kind of idea of it, the pound of flesh, the the guy who I enter next reveal doesn't necessarily have to have sex with this woman and kill her, you know, I mean, so, yeah, I was thinking about that, like when he's like, he put the gun in my mouth and he was telling me to
01;23;57;07 - 01;24;18;07
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fuck or whatever this is. Well, this is our fifth reveal. This is bust. No. It's okay. This is number five. But, like, dude, there's no way I just fucking kill. Yeah, I can't physically just kill Madison myself. Oh, my God, that's so fucked up. It's so fucked up. And it's it's usually the work is. What would you.
01;24;18;08 - 01;24;40;20
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What would your fucking life be? Two words. Yep. He does a great job of. You're just just dumb. That fucking kill me. You know what I mean? That's insane. Yeah. And this, this one I actually like, almost forget about this one in between each watch. Just because it's less showcased. I mean, then then. Yeah, they don't show the victim.
01;24;40;20 - 01;25;03;11
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Yeah. Because of the nature of the crime. They don't. Yeah. Show it. Yeah. Yeah, I hate it. I love it for. It's a great performance. Yeah. It sets the stakes. It elevates things. But man oh man it is truly depraved. And it's so upsetting. It's like hard to put into words. Yeah I think it's the, you know, they're all, all these crimes are really gross.
01;25;03;11 - 01;25;25;03
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But it's this one. Whenever I watch it, I'm just like, oh, my God, this is so because you. This makes me. Yeah. Because that one woman didn't just die. That guy's life is also fucking ruined. Yeah. And just like the fucking, brutality of it and, but, I saw a guy make an interesting point on.
01;25;25;05 - 01;25;51;27
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He was on Instagram. I saw it on a real somewhere. He was talking about Fincher staging, like, when they're walking down the stairs and it's basically a descent into hell because there's the red lighting. And then he separates the red lighting with bright lighting because subconsciously, like when there's a separation in the light, like you're going to think it's deeper than it is.
01;25;52;00 - 01;26;06;17
How I Met Your Monster
That's funny. So like they just go down two flights of stairs but it seems like they're going down really far. God he's because you get the red light and then there's like a blue light when they turn the corner. And then it gets to that deep red again. And it's just that's fun. It's like a descent into hell.
01;26;06;17 - 01;26;31;12
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It's fucking terrifying. And and for this skill, like we had talked about he's a he has that appendage made it Wild Bill's leather shop. So do you guys do you guys see the man peering in the window while they're in there. Oh is John Doe looking in the fucking window. Yeah. What I was curious to think like knowing that he was the photographer.
01;26;31;19 - 01;26;52;09
How I Met Your Monster
You know, going into this I was like, oh, I wonder if he shows up in other spots now. You just felt no funny and I, I didn't see him. I thought about can't see who it is, but there's somebody that limps up to the the window. Oh, yeah. He's got a limp. Earlier they kind of like, hint at that when Somerset is getting his name scraped off the wall.
01;26;52;12 - 01;27;12;26
How I Met Your Monster
Because obviously that guy is not anyone. At least unless I'm totally incorrect. Because later, when the police captain is talking with him, they're just like, at the door. If you look over his shoulder, the guy, he's obviously just waiting because the guy told him to not do that. But it almost looks like if he were to be revealed to be the killer, it'd be like, oh, he was there.
01;27;12;26 - 01;27;38;09
How I Met Your Monster
He was actually listening. Yeah, he is kind of just like looking over. So they kind of play it to other people. Yeah, yeah. Let's go. Maybe that's a way to kind of subconsciously tell the audience to be aware of like always like what you said, like the peeping Tom. Yeah. Do you think that the, the Bdsm shop owner is complicit in any way for creating, knife, dildo.
01;27;38;09 - 01;28;02;00
How I Met Your Monster
Like he had to have some idea of what. Well, he's going to be used. He said he thought he was a stage performer. Yeah. But what would you like. Who maybe he's going through in the air and cutting it with the stick. Who knows. Yeah. It's like that fucking because it is that game. Like the cock chopper pops out like ten years ago where you would like slice of bread for a ninja.
01;28;02;03 - 01;28;27;22
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Oh yeah. Yeah. This was a fucking new strap on the show. So now know go shake you. We, we genuinely we could be sick of toys. It means your butt. Is it. It means you're playing with yourself. But if you shake it twice, it means you're stabbing someone. I don't know, it's stupid.
01;28;27;25 - 01;28;57;03
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah, this is fucked. And then, you know, they're interrogating the the guy who, like, runs the place, and he's like, do you like your job? Like, do you like your job? Like what you do? And the guy was like, no, absolutely not. But like, that's life. Yeah. Like, here we are. Ouch. Dude. The realism, the realism, the, let's jump to our sixth reveal, which is pride.
01;28;57;06 - 01;29;22;11
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There is a, the, a little piece that was cut before this scene starts. Well, you know, they start in the side through her nose. Yeah. Aside from the nose, there's, words on the wall written in blood. Much like our previous movie, Exorcist three. Or words on the wall. Written in blood. That says I did not kill her.
01;29;22;11 - 01;29;57;11
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She made a choice. Oh, yeah, there was some other stuff there. And we find out that, like, yeah, she's got the sleeping pills in one hand, the phone in the other, and she had another saw type. This is the most scary, type of villain, because I feel like they still exist. And I'm not saying that anyone who's, like, self-righteous or judgmental of someone else's lifestyle is necessarily a savage murderer, but it scares me how easily someone can justify a crime or, like, hurting someone because it's like like you mentioned earlier, I don't want to.
01;29;57;18 - 01;30;21;15
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It's dark, so I don't bring it up. But like killing someone because you think you're helping them. Once you've established that role within your chosen community, you have set yourself up for, that is just so scary to me because you can't argue it with them. They are already convinced that, like you arguing, it is like proving to them like, see, look at them.
01;30;21;15 - 01;30;45;00
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Like I knew that. It's like they were doing like the witch, you know, Salem witch trials. Yeah. They would use anything you said against. There's nothing you could do. It's so fucking dark and disturbing. Fuck. I just hate it. Well, even before we're even, you know, even, like, not even getting to that point, but a lot of religious people in general.
01;30;45;02 - 01;31;06;22
How I Met Your Monster
If you think about, like, their hatred, they think comes from a good place. They think that they're helping everybody, you know, they're not killing people, but they think that what they're doing is coming from a good place and that they're doing the right thing. So, yes. How do you tell somebody that that's. Yeah. I mean, God, his whole fucking M.O. is smiting sinners.
01;31;06;24 - 01;31;26;12
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Like, who are you? Like, what world are? Oh, it's so crazy. Yeah. It's so fucked up. I hate it. Do we live in a wet world? Do you live it? Yeah. It's like, what are we calling this wet world or. Yeah, we're calling this a wet world. Okay. I think you walked away when we met. Yeah, the Sabbath set.
01;31;26;12 - 01;31;50;11
How I Met Your Monster
But I say, you know, I wish we were living. Was cool world. All the world. Yeah. Animation. Fucking, Yeah, yeah. That's where you need to go. Yeah. Dex, even Somerset says something about along the lines of, like, he's less disturbed that John Doe might be the devil than he is, that John Doe is a man.
01;31;50;15 - 01;32;16;15
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah, because, of course, the devil is like that is scary because, yeah, people entitle themselves to these ridiculous ideals and then will justify whatever they want based on that. In the name of like, righteousness. Go fuck yourself, you fucking asshole. So tired of people. I can't handle it anymore. I'm so sorry. Back to the movies. God, just. I can't even.
01;32;16;15 - 01;32;41;23
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I have no words anymore. Yeah. We just. Yeah. Education is the most important thing in our country. Anyone who wants to defund it is evil. All right, let's see. Oh, number seven, this is where the sun is coming out. No, the rain is stopping. The killers are turning themselves in with bloody handprints. Things are looking good.
01;32;41;25 - 01;33;03;28
How I Met Your Monster
Things are looking good. Yeah. So this is the police department lobby. This is where, John Doe turns himself in and they start to make a deal, which he says, you need to come with me to find these bodies. If you don't come with me, these bodies won't be found. Which is true. One of them won't be found.
01;33;03;28 - 01;33;27;12
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One of them. It's frustrating. They even say that. Like assuming there is a body, which I guess. Yeah, to your point, there was. But he would have found out that his wife was killed anyways. Yeah, I came home and everything could have been there. But her head, there's goop everywhere. Which is a deal that is often made with criminals, is a goop.
01;33;27;15 - 01;33;36;13
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Yes. Good. Look, how much goop are you willing? No. They give them outright. Makes deals with criminals.
01;33;36;15 - 01;33;52;24
How I Met Your Monster
In exchange for a vagina. If you lay some goop on the ground, it'll catch the killers. I'm telling you, it's so goopy. I don't know what goop is. I know it's the name of the company. I don't know what they do. I don't either. I know they make a candle that smells like a vagina, but what? Are you kidding?
01;33;52;24 - 01;34;22;03
How I Met Your Monster
You guys don't know about that? Get the fuck? No. Google. This candle smells like my vagina. That is the name of the candle sold by goop. What is that? Okay, so the right way to say it. Okay. I want a candle that smells like balls. I want that scent. Do you know, like, if you go, you see, you see, like, can't, you know, Danny, I think you said you had a candle that someone got you.
01;34;22;03 - 01;34;36;13
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That's like Stephen King's writing room or something, right? Or like, there's, like, video I saw one on, like, a video store. Like, what is that scent? Yeah. Let's see if it has a description.
01;34;36;16 - 01;35;18;09
How I Met Your Monster
I it better not say musky. So various musky pubes, killer woody florals. Sultry scent was a woody, woody floral for dick, floral for vagina, and sultry sexy sultry. I think they means sardines with notes of with notes of geranium, citrusy bergamot, cider, damask, rose and amber seed. That's what vaginas smell it only it only costs $85. It's okay, but it's like when mom says we've got vagina candles.
01;35;18;09 - 01;35;37;24
How I Met Your Monster
I know, but it's just like, I wish that they were cheaper because I honestly would get them for you guys for Christmas or something here, but I that's so $5. I'm like, I could have gotten you guys something way cooler for $85. No one living. None of my friends would, would be familiar with the smell because they're all gay right there.
01;35;37;24 - 01;35;48;10
How I Met Your Monster
Okay, so for me, like, what is this? So we're. It doesn't cover news. Woody and sultry.
01;35;48;13 - 01;36;18;15
How I Met Your Monster
It turns off all straight. I'm just going to say I kind of like it. Yeah. Speaking of, speaking of vagina candles, I want to talk about the scene where they're shaving their chest to get this very confused. Oh, really? He just was like, why are they just shaving their chests together? I know my, But, you know, there's a, good line where John Doe are not John Doe.
01;36;18;15 - 01;36;51;21
How I Met Your Monster
Somerset says if John Doe's head is to open up and a UFO flies out, I want you to have expected it. It's a job just trying to prepare him for this, and but I wanted to be there when they were getting dressed. I wanted to see what the conversation was like when Somerset puts his vest on his bulletproof vest and then his shirt, and then his tie and his coat, and then Mills just fucking throws a shirt on and then puts his vest on over top of his shirt, being like, it's like he's like making a style choice.
01;36;51;21 - 01;37;01;26
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And I just wanted to be there. That'd be like. Like I'm gonna, you know, like fucking in Friday. And he's like, I'm just going to tuck mine in.
01;37;01;29 - 01;37;21;21
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But it's like, what are you doing? He's like, oh, I like it better. On the outside. It looks cooler on the outside. Like, why? Yeah, it's like very much, I want to be the cool guy. Put my fucking. Yeah, that's everything he does kind of comes off as just like, is is like, devil may care. It's all the liver he's intentionally being.
01;37;21;21 - 01;37;46;17
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He's playing this. I said earlier, like, I gotta I gotta get dressed up for the for the formal event, but I'm still going to wear sneakers. Yeah it's cosplay. It's it's all intentional. Yeah. Anyone who says otherwise we're all putting on, you know, it's like Ben Stein said, it will wear masks, metaphorically speaking, you know. And some masks are shoes and some are vests, you know.
01;37;46;19 - 01;38;11;23
How I Met Your Monster
Anyways, I thought that was funny. That's really good that he did that, guys. Okay, I hate to reveal the ending. Jesus Christ, but a fucking dark ending. Which is ironic because it takes place in the brightest part of the fucking movie. Yeah. So I should say, like a great villain. I'm not set, obviously. I'm not saying I agree with him, but a great villain can have, like.
01;38;11;26 - 01;38;38;29
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Like he makes a point. Obviously, he takes it too far. That goes without saying, but he says something about how, like, we all tolerate so much and we turn an eye to things like darkness in the world. Obviously Somerset and Mills can't because their job forces them to witness it. But I always love like a good villain who can like, isn't just twisting his mustache like he'll say something, he'll make like a point and you kind of like, are like, oh, I hate that.
01;38;38;29 - 01;39;00;02
How I Met Your Monster
I'm. I get what he's saying, you know? Oh, totally. And I think that's very the way that Fincher frames it. And this is just my take. This could be completely wrong. But a lot of that scene or not, you know, maybe not the majority of it, but good portions of it. You see, we're looking at John Doe through the rearview mirror.
01;39;00;04 - 01;39;24;17
How I Met Your Monster
Right. And he's behind the cage. So it's like we're looking at ourselves, we're looking in the mirror, but then there's like a cage where, like, some of these thoughts are kind of maybe just, like, locked up in our brain where it's like, damn sick. But it's like to your point where it's like it makes such a good villain, where you can see kind of where he's coming from, you know, in certain in little bits.
01;39;24;20 - 01;39;50;10
How I Met Your Monster
You know, all of us might have these, like, thoughts in our head where it's like, okay, I see where he's saying, but you would never act on it because you're just the thing is, like me, it's the direction he takes it and then the execution of his actions. Yeah, it's what sets us apart. It's like in, I love in Black Panther, I think, Michael B Jordan plays a fantastic villain because you spend so much of the movie like.
01;39;50;12 - 01;40;12;08
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. Yeah, I get it. I'm with you. But the second you push it too far and you become like, you start hurting people because of it, it's like, oh, you lost me. It's not you. Well, there's got to be, right? Yeah. Listen to I don't, you know, I haven't seen the Black Panther movies and I haven't seen a lot of the Marvel movies, but, isn't that, you know, kind of like that.
01;40;12;10 - 01;40;32;23
How I Met Your Monster
Thanos isn't wrong, Dennis. The thing I think with Thanos that's wrong is that someone made a point. I hadn't thought about it where they were like, you know, he's going to wipe off half of, you know, the people so that, well, if you have that ability, couldn't you just double make them out of resources that are available? Yeah.
01;40;32;23 - 01;40;56;25
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Yeah, yeah. So he's choosing that. Right. So there is like what do they call them. They call like the Mad Titan or something like he is, you know out of his mind. I love that we're walking out of this episode. I am pro Ice. You are John Doe. No kidding. I think he is pro Thanos. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.
01;40;56;27 - 01;41;17;02
How I Met Your Monster
Well I was like anti goop I yeah I like anti vagina candles I, I, I side with villains, not side with me. I just say I was anti vagina candle I did. No I didn't know what it smelled like. Fall on I'm down 85 bucks plus shipping and handle. And then we get I wish there was a better.
01;41;17;08 - 01;41;40;21
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I wish this movie ended on like a big like moment. Yeah. We took my notes. Oh. It does. Okay. I thought you were saying, like, there's, like, an explosion, and then. Yeah, well, that's the thing is, when they get the box, I can't imagine that is how that situation would be handled. Like, if you get a box from a bad guy, like, that's bomb squad territory.
01;41;40;21 - 01;42;06;03
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. And that comes from the bomb squad. Yeah, but I think. Oh, did I miss Somerset has an idea of of what might maybe because he's in on it going on because he's in on it. Yeah. But maybe he goes in on it. Yeah. California says we got a box call the bomb squad, but that's and then Somerset is like, oh, he's you know, he says he's like, I don't know.
01;42;06;05 - 01;42;24;19
How I Met Your Monster
I'm going to open it because I think he knows that John Doe, given his track record. Yeah. He's not going to put a bomb in a box like he's not that kind of person. So I think he's kind of like, I'm going to what if the seven Deadly Sin was explosions? He's like, I should have. Maybe that would have been different.
01;42;24;21 - 01;42;46;09
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But yeah. So like in Curb Your Enthusiasm, usually he just like he opens the box. He was like the bomb kind of goes off in freeze frames then and he's like, he's breaking the fourth wall. He's looking at the camera like, bam, what are you going to do? And I guess I blew this one.
01;42;46;12 - 01;43;09;05
How I Met Your Monster
It is funny you were talking a lot about you've been talking a lot about Fincher style, and Fincher is kind of famously known for locking his camera down and having these really beautiful, beautifully like, framed shots. And every so often you will go handheld, and it's this ending, right? When Somerset's kind of like puts it all together and he's chasing him, that it becomes true chaos.
01;43;09;07 - 01;43;28;17
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And again, like just like do it during the other chase scene to do they. Yeah. Okay. So the great I don't know like that's just good. I love being in the hands of a good filmmaker. I mean it leads to the chaos. Yeah. Yeah. Makes you really feel it. So this is our so we get to. Oh.
01;43;28;17 - 01;43;49;20
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Did you ever reduce that. Were in the last. Oh I don't know. This is well this is our eighth reveal. Yeah. This is the okay. This is envy and wrath. Envy because John Doe is you know he which is interesting that he takes on one of the sins himself and he owns up to it. I was going to say at least he acknowledges it, which makes him God.
01;43;49;20 - 01;44;12;27
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He's such an interesting character because a few times they mentioned the idea of like a self-awareness, like when he says that he was he he was it threw up on the guy who, like, couldn't stand listening to the guy. But he was like aware that it was bothering him because he was trying to, like, lean into the pleasantries and then just couldn't.
01;44;13;00 - 01;44;38;14
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And then even Mills asks, and he's like, do you know you're insane? Like when you're like, doing all this crazy shit? Like, is there a a voice in your head that's like, what the fuck? And then for him at the end, just kind of say, yeah, like I am very aware of what I am and who I am, to the point that, like, he would kind of like to be a regular Joe, like Brad Pitt or a John Doe.
01;44;38;14 - 01;45;15;03
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. Oh, I'm regular doe. Yeah. And Brad Pitt's performance in this is in this scene is incredible. Yeah, yeah. But wait, what was I feel like in the 90s album? Oh, bom bom bom bom. I feel like Brad Pitt. I think this happens with a lot of younger actors and actresses. Like everyone. I'm just focusing on him specifically, where he wasn't really taken seriously because he was just sort of like, you know, the next big stud.
01;45;15;03 - 01;45;37;17
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But Brad Pitt is such a good actor. I just want to take a moment to say thanks, Mr. Pitt. Thanks. So yeah, I was thinking about that in this too. And they were, it was during the bar scene where he was in him in Somerset sitting at the bar. And I'm like, yeah, I mean he, you know, he's blockbuster star, right?
01;45;37;18 - 01;45;56;23
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He's an A-list actor. But, you know, do people consider Brad Pitt to be one of like, the best actors ever? Yeah, I think Brad Pitt is easily considered one. I think he's respected and acknowledged as one of the greats. You know, good man. And like I said, like I said, this was right after legends of the fall and interview with the vampire.
01;45;56;25 - 01;46;23;01
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God, this guy is great. This is good. You. That's good. Funny enough, if they ever if they ever make, Mr. and Mrs. Smith movie, he should be in it. Would he play Mr. or Mrs. Smith? Both. Yeah. Note that speaking of the Oscar, and working with David Fincher, Fincher is directing the new Cliff Booth movie with Brad.
01;46;23;01 - 01;46;48;02
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Oh yeah. She won the Oscar for Pretty Cool. That would be what they did seven Fight Club Benjamin Button. And then this is am I missing Benjamin Buttons seven Fight Club. Yes. Because he aged backwards. And so he would have time to establish seven fight clubs. He was seven when he, and he was right when he was when he wrote it he looked seven.
01;46;48;02 - 01;47;11;18
How I Met Your Monster
But because he went in reverse he was actually an old man. Yeah. Yeah. So and that's how you wrap up a podcast at episode. Oh we're not. Yeah. That's. Yeah. That's seven. We didn't even talk about how we fucking shoot them, but I guess. Yeah, he does. You're gonna kill him. Yeah, yeah, I know, but he get them and you get the,
01;47;11;21 - 01;47;37;28
How I Met Your Monster
Ultimately, John Doe wins. Yeah. Got it. Sucks because, like, what would you do in his shoes? You can't. Well it's great. I just need these fighting it. And then he's fighting it. And then they. Fincher puts that one frame of Where's Paltrow in there? And then that's when he shoots him in. Yeah, probably would not shoot him. I mean, I would be devastated, but I don't want to spend the rest of my life in prison, even if I'm like, well, that's what I was thinking.
01;47;38;05 - 01;48;01;09
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I was like, oh. Actually, God, this just ties into your theory. Well, I always thought that he went to jail afterwards, but I don't think that he would. He's the police captain literally says, it's like, well, we'll take care. We'll take care of him. And he says anything, anything that he needs in Morgan Freeman, and he does it play into your thing of him being kind of a dirty, secretly a dirty cop.
01;48;01;12 - 01;48;19;21
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He's like, hey, like he kind of says, like, take what? He's good. Like, right? Like there's like a weird. Yeah, like we take care of our own kind of thing, which is, yeah, we have context. It's nice because he is a victim in this scenario because their husband, we've seen throughout the movie that they'll pay people off like he.
01;48;19;21 - 01;48;47;29
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah, he pays the witness to like to give like a witness statement so that they can break him the door. He paid for the stuff. It's like maybe we'll just pay some people in, this goes away. I'm trying to look it up because I don't know exactly what the, the terms of this are, but there are certain states now we don't know where this is set and we don't know blah, blah, blah, but when they're Westworld, there are certain states where you can claim emotional distress in defense of a crime.
01;48;48;02 - 01;49;06;03
How I Met Your Monster
Who's going to who's going to convict him? Right. Well, that's what I'm saying. Everything is like, got the microphones. Everything is recorded, right? No, everything, I think I don't think he goes to prison. He may know. He may somehow get, convicted of something that would be like lesser, you know? So he's on fucking probation. He's going to.
01;49;06;05 - 01;49;26;08
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. Probation. But there's going to be a there's me books about that. Everything John Doe says will happen. Will happen. Yeah. I mean movies about it. We do believe in the right mind. Yeah. Yeah. But. And no one's going to be like, Mills was the villain in this scenario. Oh, it clearly fucking wasn't like. Yeah, no. Yeah, yeah, I think it's fine.
01;49;26;10 - 01;49;44;21
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I think he's going to live a fine life. I yeah, I'm fine. Like with all that he's saying he's going to Somerset's going to invite him to come live on the farm with them. Yeah. Maybe they move in together. Oh, the real twist is they end up becoming a gay couple. Yeah. Yes. Well he's trying he's trying so hard to fight it.
01;49;44;23 - 01;50;16;06
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Yeah. Or it's like a kind of a Golden Girls inspired sitcom situation where they're like, we got no one but each other. Or like, what's the one with, odd couple pointers? Oh, okay. Man. Oh, yeah. Perfect strangers. Yeah. That's funny. Okay. Well, guys, that's seven. That's it. That's, that's our first David Fincher movie.
01;50;16;08 - 01;50;45;01
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Well, really? So we're doing Benjamin Button next. Benjamin Buttons seventh Fight club. Yeah, yeah, I think there's a world in which we could work Fight Club into our. For sure. Absolutely right. Yeah, maybe. I think it's turtle all the way. I think we did do Jingle All the Way. All right, now it's time to go over our favorite reveals in David Fincher's Seven.
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Speed round recap. Here we go. We've got eight reveals. This is going to be real easy. Glutton. Oh, yeah. Greed. Sloth. John Doe in the hallway. Damn it! We're.
01;50;59;15 - 01;51;29;27
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Lust, pride, the police department lobby and envy and wrath. So no alternative titles? No, it's so. It was too dark. I was thinking either I do the. It's in the sack, but, Okay. Let's see. I'm just, That's a big bitch.
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Oh my God. Yes. Yes. That's kind of. Anyways.
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I've heard of fast food, the blast food. Gluttony. Also known as honey. You barely touched just spaghetti, sir. Stupid. That's, that's a fatal meatball.
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Fucking vomit. I guess that's it. Yeah. Back then. Vomit. Number two is greed. Also known as bleed. I don't know that. Hey, variant's not great, but it was also known as bleed to Death. Bleed to death?
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Number three is sloth, also known as Zootopia. Hey, you guys, I'm still alive. Hey. Yeah. So. Oh. That's great. That's good. Number four, John Doe shoots, in the hallway, also known as, Shoot, that's the guy.
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Oh, some with, like, he's a photographer, but he's also shooting. I've heard of shooting a picture, but shooting Brad Pitt.
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Five is, Oh, God, I can't even do one for less. Is that is that a knife? Is that a knife in your pocket? Oh, my gosh, are you just happy to kill me? Fuck! It's so fucked. It's so dark. And you, we're laughing. Okay, we got that. A knife in your pocket. You just happy to kill me?
01;53;38;16 - 01;54;06;20
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Six is pride also known as Pride and Prejudice. And so this is very anti pride with all the, things Nils says. Yeah. Nailed it. Moving us. Yeah, yeah, these are good. Once we hit five, I was just like, oh, God, this is so. Yeah. So yeah. So I say we cancel, then I say we cap it there.
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Okay, okay. Which is made for us. You just. I just. Oh, God. We started talking about the last one again, and I just got real fucking bummed out. To be honest. All right, Danny, you know, Casey, what is your. Yeah, this is your pick for our triple feature, so. Yeah. You go first. What's your favorite reveal?
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Oh, you know, I'm really sorry. You guys, but it's the last one. I think mostly because of the performance of, of the guy who committed the act and, it just surprises me every time. And it's just, you know, I like really fucked up shit. That'll do it. That'll do it. Danny, what do you got? Mine's got to be envy.
01;55;03;14 - 01;55;33;11
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What's in the box? It's just, the whole scene is just incredible. Well, I guess envy and wrath. Yeah. It's so dark. It's so dark, and yet it's one of those movies that I can rewatch. Oh, yeah. And, like, you know, it's. There's something about this movie that just works. And maybe it is because you just have a perfect storm of fantastic actors, a great original story, impeccable direction, like it just sometimes you just can't deny perfection.
01;55;33;13 - 01;55;55;29
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Yeah, I do, I use like I think ultimately I would go with our final reveal, Envy and Wrath. It was a toss up between that and our first one, gluttony. Just because it sets the tone for what is, you know, Dan, like you said, that that push in on the victim and the thing and the they they go to each side of the frame and then he's right in the center.
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And it's such a great way to basically just set up establish it. Yeah. Establish it. Yeah. But it's really hard to beat that last that finale. It's this I mean, it's such a classic. There's a reason that people still talk about this movie 30 years later. 12 so yeah. Am I going to go crazy? Yeah, I miss something.
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They don't show her head right now. So that's like one of those Mandela effects, because I remember seeing the head. I've seen that in the box. Yeah. I've never thought that out. Yeah. I mean, they show her flash, like, maybe that's it. Maybe you're just brain puts it all together. I mean, it's part of the purpose, but I mean, obviously that's what he's saying.
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But know it's it's meant to like, evoke an emotion from him. But really it's for the audience. Like he probably just in case you're wondering, it's yeah, it's Gwyneth Paltrow. Is that All right. Well, now it's time for a segment that we like to call the real monster.
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Who wants to go first? I'll go. I have at number one Somerset judging the security guards for playing cards instead of reading. Okay, I'm with you, man. You're in a room with a bunch of books there at your full disposal. Do it. Give the guys a freaking break. Okay, now everybody likes to read. Yeah, just let him just play cards and enjoy themselves.
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And that guy, that security guard who lets him in and turns the music on is probably fucking tired from driving a bus all day. Yeah, and you just got shot, and he just kind of steals the stage and, for those of you who don't know, he was the bus driver in speed. My second and final real monster.
01;57;42;04 - 01;58;09;23
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Just in case there is any confusion during our conversation. Fuck. Ice. Oh, fuck. Ice. Yeah. Fuck case. Fuck you fucking fucking Gestapo motherfuckers! Fuck you! Fuck you! On being a record for the rest of my life. Fuck you. That's it. Yeah. Casey, what do you got? I have I only have one. Technically two, I guess.
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I don't think that Tracy deserves to be beheaded for her crimes, but, and I and I. And I don't believe that Detective Mills had to go through such turmoil. However, they are my real monsters for keeping three big dogs locked in a small room in their apartment. But the floor is covered in newspaper. I did not even fucking put that together.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, those are big dogs. They need those dogs need places. Yes. Yeah. Run! They weren't puppies that were being. How strange. Do you think Somerset will adopt them? And the farm to the farm? Yeah. I like to believe that. Yeah, yeah, even if you. Yeah. You acknowledge the dogs and, So. Yeah. That's it. Maybe he names them after the seven deadly sins.
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So these are my top three favorite sets. See, I don't I don't want to remember this part of my life. I forget if I get fucked up. Okay. I've got three, and they're all Detective Mills. So this this first one is like, could be you could push back on this, but the fact that mill, Mills and his wife Tracy don't have a sheet on their mattress.
01;59;31;26 - 01;59;57;18
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Yeah. Now, I will say in a close shot when he's first getting up for the day in the very beginning of the movie, it looks like he does not have a sheet on his mattress. Yeah, in the wide shot, they do have a sheet on the mattress. I don't know what the deal is there. I think, I just assumed it was some sort of, like, weird mattress pad thing, because I was also disgusted that somebody wouldn't have a sheet of.
01;59;57;20 - 02;00;15;09
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Yeah, so maybe they're into, like, water, but they just moved, so they had to remove the sheet. We forgot to get our special sheets. I think that if they don't have a sheet, it's probably because they moved and they just don't have their shit sorted out, is what my guess would be. But also still gross. Find your fucking sheets.
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Yeah, you're going to be goofing around. Going to do you got a goofing around group. Everyone a sheet on their snail trails. We got vagina candles, goop newspaper. What if they put the nude? They should put the newspaper on the bed. Yeah. There you go. Has their sheets really? Keep on the sheets. Guess we got to put the newspaper down.
02;00;35;28 - 02;01;06;12
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I just do that in, like in Big Daddy. Yeah, the kids. So he just puts them on newspaper. Yeah. I've got mils for being a litter bug twice. He just throws a cup of coffee. Well, when he puts it on the. It's like the thing by the stairs, the cement thing. And then there's one where he's like, when they're about to go down into the sex pit thing, he like, tosses a cup of coffee over the fucking railing, and I'm like, shit, but that's your deadly sin, you fucking litter bug.
02;01;06;14 - 02;01;15;17
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Put me in high school. High school? So we're nicknamed school.
02;01;15;19 - 02;01;53;17
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Litter bug sex. Sex pit sex bit. Okay, and then I also, finally have mils for using the r word and the f word. Yeah, I miss the r one. Definitely. Yeah. That's when they're, like, about to knock on his door on John Doe door and he says this is whatever. And then for using the F-word when he's talking about Dante and the poetry I think it's using, I think it's interesting because in the 90s, it probably wasn't meant to showcase.
02;01;53;19 - 02;02;09;02
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Yeah, a shitty character, but it definitely helps. There's just like, there is just. Yeah, one of the guys. Yeah, but but you know, like we know that his character is supposed to kind of be at shed. And so 30 years later, the way that it is aged like Gwyneth or whichever. And that says a lot about her. Yeah.
02;02;09;03 - 02;02;20;24
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Yeah. All right. Yeah. Those are some good real monsters. Now it's time for our final segment. Would you survive?
02;02;20;27 - 02;02;40;06
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We're all sinners. I wrote this, I was like, I was like, saying I'd survive implies that I've never sinned. Well, it's not that, but think about the extremism of all of them. Yeah. Scream and any of them, like, yes, lust would be mine, but I'm not a sex worker. You know what I mean? So, yeah, I think we'd be fine, to be honest.
02;02;40;09 - 02;03;09;20
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Which I mean, he calls her is John Doe. Specifically calls her a disease spreading whore. Yes. Yeah. And I would think that sex workers today are a lot. Would probably be more cautious, right. No, no, no, I mean maybe not some of them. If you work for a brothel or you're, you know what I mean? But if you're like a sex worker who is addicted to drugs and like, oh, yeah, like that kind of stuff, you don't care about that.
02;03;09;23 - 02;03;29;12
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But then you have to like, consider like the definition of a sex worker, you know, someone who, you know, like only fans has become a prostitute. Yeah, but like that sex work. And it's kind of like, I'm not saying it's respected, but I don't think it's disrespected either. Oh, I don't think of culture. Sex work is real work.
02;03;29;12 - 02;03;52;29
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I don't all of it. I don't yeah. Legalized prostitution. No. Exactly. But in his eyes, yeah I guess context I guess context and scenario and. Yeah. And what he knows about the specific person. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, guys, we don't live in Wet World. We don't. Oh I no we go world for getting there. But right now it's raining here is melting all the snow finally.
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Yeah. Who knows what you know. Who knows how things go down in wet world. Maybe John Doe's the hero in this scenario. It is raining here today. It's the sad world that's fun. It rained last night. Oh, and the night before. Is this movie based on a true story?
02;04;12;08 - 02;04;37;00
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Because it's raining. All right, you guys, that's seven. That's our second movie in our Devil's and Dicks triple feature in this movie, they did say dicks. John McKinley. Yeah, Dick. Yeah, because it's really mean. Dicks. Get in here. Yeah. And then they say that in our next movie, they're like you dicks. Yeah. This one guy who's, like, about to, like, bust the door down.
02;04;37;00 - 02;04;57;14
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He's like swat before dicks. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And then, so the Swat team says it's like you're swatting dicks. Yeah. That's Mills he swatted away Dick city. So homophobic. Danny, what is our, You were just mentioning that hopefully they say dicks in our next movie. I hope, their haircuts in the next movie look like penis dicks.
02;04;57;17 - 02;05;28;27
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Heads. Oh, yeah. There's, like, little, like. Yeah. Eggheads or eggheads. Danny, what is the next movie that we're going to cover? We're watching the classic, iconic procedural, demonic thriller that everybody has heard of. Sorry. Everyone has heard of and everyone talks about it like to the point where really, we may as well do, no, this one was I was between a few movies for my choice, and this one just I think I've mentioned it.
02;05;28;27 - 02;05;53;13
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It's it's it's the same formula of these movies, but it's just it's set in the medieval times, which I thought would be a nice little change of, you know, scenery and pace. But it stars Sean Connery. And, there's, there's death, there's dicks, there's religion, there's evil. I've never seen it. So all of that wrong. Will I be able to take it?
02;05;53;16 - 02;06;21;10
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Will I be able to take Sean Connery and Christian Slater seriously as medieval ones? Oh, yeah, that's what a pairing. What do you think Sean Connery said when he on set, he's like, oh, we got Slater. I can't wait Slater to hear his Christian Slater. What? I can't wait to hear his accent in this movie. I know the devil is, Satan.
02;06;21;12 - 02;06;47;28
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Satan, Satan, God save us from a Shaitan. Well, hey, you guys, I was just thinking about, Christian Slater in Robin Hood Prince of Thieves. And also Sean Connery is in Robin Hood Prince of Thieves. At the very end, he makes a cameo as the king. Maybe that's where they met. And he's like, I gotta work with this guy again.
02;06;48;00 - 02;07;08;08
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I tell you. So it looks like this, this Rose movie with this kid Slater. Have you seen the name of the roach? His character is William of Baskerville. And there is a character named shell. The shell of a. He seems to have it, too. I guess that's right. Person instead of Sian Calloway. William Baskerville. So shall we.
02;07;08;15 - 02;07;37;01
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Let's shove this guy. God. Jesus. All right, well, that'll be fun. The name of the rose. Make sure to follow us on the Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, anywhere you get your podcasts. We're also on social media today. Spotify. Where can I find you guys? Sure. Media I am on Instagram at. Or mother Casey Oke.
02;07;37;03 - 02;07;45;00
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I know you mean I know you got me to do it. PJ any bleach casualty?
02;07;45;02 - 02;08;16;01
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Danny, I'm on Letterboxd. Blue sky and Instagram. At my name. Danny. Slim. That's DEA and NY elite enemy. Two names like a candy melt in your but not in your hands. Inch. You did that whole thing. And then the very last thing, and he and, Awesome. And you can find me on social media at Quinn sick.
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Make sure to join us for The Name of the Rose. And, until then, thank you all for listening. Now go meet some monsters.