In anticipation for SCREAM 7, Zach sits down with two SCREAM super fans (co-host Danny and special guest Laron Chapman) to discuss the original film and it's upcoming sequel. To hear new commentary episodes each month, check out Patreon and become a How I Met Your Monster MENACE for only $3!
In anticipation for SCREAM 7, Zach sits down with two SCREAM super fans (co-host Danny and special guest Laron Chapman) to discuss the original film and it's upcoming sequel. To hear new commentary episodes each month, check out Patreon and become a How I Met Your Monster MENACE for only $3!
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You're listening to how I Met Your Monster. A podcast that explores the introductions to your favorite movie monsters. My name is Zack. I'm Danny and I'm Casey. And together, we dive into the world of horror to find out how filmmakers have introduced us to our favorite monsters time and time again. This is how I met your most.
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Welcome to how I Met Your Monster, the show where we discuss the introductions to your favorite movie monsters. And welcome to our February bonus commentary episode. Now, I've got two people with me tonight to talk about scream, but I've got them gagged and stuffed into the closet just like Sidney's dad, until I'm done with my intro.
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I'll get to. Oh, Jesus. How was it in there? I swore I'd never go back there. You made us go. It was nice to not be alone on that short journey that we were on. That's true. We're not isolated this time. Alienated from our. But now, another thing. I didn't tell you guys. You now have seven minutes exactly to talk about scream seven or whatever you want.
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Before we start the movie. So the timer starts now. Okay. Okay. As you may know, a new scream movie is coming out. This is why we're recording this episode. We're not just doing it because we love scream, though. We love scream. We're doing it because we are part of the unofficial marketing team of scream seven, and we're here to make sure that scream eight and scream nine gets greenlit as soon as possible.
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I thought you said scream, mate. Like scream mate. Like you're my scream, mate. Bloody. What? It's like Postmates, but it's for scream because you can only order one of the scream. It's. Yes. Yeah. I'm excited. I mean, I guess I'm excited for. I mean, they keep feeding these movies to us. I keep saying I will accept going out on a high note.
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I will accept that. I'll secretly wish that they made more no matter what. But if they keep making them, then I'm going to get excited and nervous and anxious all over again. And so that's where I'm at with this one. I'm cautiously optimistic, but also yes, I am. Yeah, Lauren and I have been texting quite a bit about this and the phrase cautious optimism has been popping up quite a bit.
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I am in the same exact boat as Lauren. So excited. I will never not eat these movies up and yet I am always filled with like, you know, a little anxiety I'll never forget when I saw scream four for the first time. I know it sounds like I'm being hyperbolic. I was in such a state of stress every time Sidney was on screen because I'm like, this is the thing that they're going to kill her.
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Oh my God, they're going to kill her. Like hit her first fight after, not who's the friend? But, Kirby, the I'm in the closet scene, not your closet. When she gets disemboweled and Sidney fights Ghostface. Yeah, I remember thinking, oh, they have a really fantastic stunt team. First of all, because their fight is.
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So you can feel it. It feels so aggressive and, like, intense. And I was like, oh, there's got to be a reason. I think they're going to kill Sidney. They're just going to kill her halfway through. That's going to be the twist, and it's going to be about this new group. I built it in scream five. I felt it in scream six, and she's not in the movie.
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I'm like, they killed her off. That's why they're in a box, you know? Yeah, yeah. I just feel like with this new one, there's obviously a lot of backstage scrutiny involving how it came together. There was an original script that got scrapped, and they have a new one. So there's a lot of anxiety about that. Like, what does that mean?
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You know, like what is what is being sacrificed in service of this new story? Do they have a good alternative for it, or was it just like, we got to make something up now or but also like, with I do feel a little bit better knowing that Kevin has at least offered at the very least some, some insight or some some input into the writing, if not actually writing yet.
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To, to guide it in a way that I think he felt comfortable with. I don't think he would have moved forward with it if he didn't think, if he didn't like it, you know. Yeah. But I am nervous about what what it means to bring in old skeletons, you know, if you will. And that's a good point, though, because this is his, you know, the term legacy has been thrown around a lot ever since scream five.
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Did the idea of like, the legacy movies legacy characters? It is his legacy, you know. Sure. You could argue like, no, I'm not even argue that it's not a paycheck. And I can't imagine someone who is as successful as Kevin Williamson would treat this as something where it's like, well, you know, the money was worth it. This might as well grab it.
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I right, that's his name on the line. This is his baby. And for him to not only, like, have his name associate producer, they'll turn on you in a minute. Exactly. And don't we know it? Scream five aka five. Cream. Yeah. So I feel weirdly good. It's it's it's. I don't want to go into it too excited, but it's not because I'm not excited.
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It's because of the cautious optimism. I just I want to be. By the way, I just want to say really quick because this is this happened today. I've been on the fence about going down to Los Angeles to watch scream seven at the Vista Theater, where they filmed the interiors for the opening of scream two, and we just officially made the trip happen.
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I didn't get the tickets yet because they're not available, so I'm going to be talking about cautious. This is so anxious, just like I remember when scream five came out, I just sat. It was after midnight when I knew the tickets would be on sale and I just stayed up for hours, just like reloading pages. I bought tickets for the movie at three different theaters.
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Like, why? Like I'm like, that's insane. That's like, so not healthy. And I knew it as I was doing it. I was like, you're sick, you're sick, you're sick. Follow your bliss as a scroll. Tickets. The world is a dumpster fire. Follow your bliss. It's not the worst thing you did. Most unhealthy thing you famous. Thank you. That's such a good point.
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Yeah. Oh, I love it. Just under seven minutes. Let's see. No, we got a couple. We got, like, a minute left. But I remember just getting excited, just the other day when I saw whatever trailer they. I don't know if they put out a new one or if it was the old one that I just watched again, I don't remember, but, when it comes on the end, it just says scream seven just to like, there's seven like, we're here maybe.
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Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, like, you know, we grew up and there was already like nine Friday the 13th movies when we were kids. Right. So like now to see that like scream is in like that same, you know, it's still feels like a big deal. It's cemented itself as, yeah, one of those movies a long time ago.
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But yeah, to be like, I want them to do the catalog and then cut it off like this. Go to ten. So we have a that's I'm, I like even numbers. Don't I know that 8 or 9. That's weird. Like you know do it. Stop it at ten. Go out on a high. Whatever you got to do. Just like stick to your convictions.
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And then let's let's pitch one. This is one pitch that I had and it just set the other day there in 30s. I thought if they wanted to take the scream franchise and make it last forever, I think they missed the boat a little bit. I had a really good idea. And or maybe it's a bad idea. It was a good idea to me where they do scream five, where they bring the legacy characters back.
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They give them their maybe it's a swan song, not necessarily meaning they all die. We have this new group and obviously the Carpenter sisters are the main focus. It would have been neat if every subsequent subsequent sequel only followed, or at least put the focus on like for example, like scream six would just be about Chad and Mindy going to New York.
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Like they're going to like, Mindy's going to film school. Chad follows her, and then it's about them and their group of friends. And then there's a group, and then there's a new character from that movie. And then the scream seven is about that person. There. I don't know, a way to kind of like keep the connective thread but not feel so beholden to, you know, one of the I don't agree with this, but like some criticisms were like, well, how are we going to keep this focus on Sidney?
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Like, how much more can we pull from her lore? And I think that could have been a great idea. I mean, a freaking relative to she have, you know, mad at her like she's like, I Prescott family reunion is just like, all like, they're all sharpening their knives. Like, everyone wants to kill me for existing. I'm sorry. My mom was a prostitute in that.
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You know, like she. You know me. I'm just a teenager. Leave me alone. You'd get to scream like you get to, like, scream 15. And it would be like Spaceballs. They'd be like Sidney Prescott. And they were like, yeah, she was my father's cousins. Yeah, exactly. Brothers. Sisters. Excuse me. Teammate. I do want to tropical scream. That's one thing I've been wishing for.
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Like, I still love you. They left summer vibes like, let's go to the Bahamas or something. And Ghostface goes to Hawaii in a loop in a in a in L.A. You know, like it it would be. I mean, it would essentially be. I mean, this isn't Hawaii, but of course, think of I still know what you did last summer.
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Yeah. You know, you have to have the tropical. Yeah. Just, Yeah. I'm saying, guys, they need to go supernatural. I know I need to go supernatural. That's my my take. Or. And the last thing I'll say that I've got to go is the we got to start from. Remember scream, scream new, new nightmare is what I want it so badly.
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I want a very meta like. Like I thought we were getting that because it is seven. I said New Nightmare is seven. It just would have made it. This is still honoring West. It's still satirizing like West is canon, you know, like and we would have had like, like Ghostface is chasing Neve Campbell while they're on the set of scream with the whole cast.
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Then you can bring Dewey back, then you can bring Stu back, then you can bring all these people, but they're being hacked down by, who knows, maybe it's Melissa Barrera because she got fired. Whatever. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just saying, like, there's there's. That would have been a cool meta idea. But anyway, guess we can start.
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All right. Yeah, that's that's a good, spot. To wrap up this intro before we get into the original scream, you know, speaking of of being meta. So if for anyone who's mourning their scream seven conversational, I swear to God, it's it's definitely going to be coming back in the next within the next two hours while we talk about this.
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Because I'm going to there is something that Lauren, if he's willing to, has to say, but I'm going to save it for the movie about his. We have theories, okay. If theories and we're not going to bog you down with it, we're not. This isn't a theory podcast. We are going to be offering commentary for this movie. But Lauren has such a great oh my God, it was just a genius.
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And I have a little like thing to tack on to it, so it's almost so good. It's a spoiler, so apologies in advance. Yes. Well, hopefully you've seen scream before watching this commentary episode. So if this is your first how I Met Your Monster commentary, here's what we do. We queue up the movie, we'll find a spot where all of us can pause the movie so we can all be on the same page.
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Then we will do a countdown, and we will start the movie, and then we'll, fucking talk all over it. So, right when this movie starts, the dimensioned logo comes on. And so as soon as you see that, as soon as you see that big D, come on the screen, just just hit pause. And, so we come back to this episode and we'll do a countdown and start to how I Met Your Monster.
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Indeed.
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Okay, so you should have your big D on the screen there. Just I just I just see an outline poking out of the shadows there. Yeah, it's just a bulge. And, we're going to do a countdown. Three, two, one and then play, and then we'll go. So here we go. Three. Oh, shit. I should start this fucking movie,
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What if we start with scream two as three rhymes with scream, scream three, scream two, scream one Danny and three rhymes with scream. Well, I pronounce it three. Oh, okay. Yeah. All right, well, these three lists I say scream. So it to me in my head it makes sense. All right, so we'll go. We'll go scream.
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All right scream it I can't, I can't three okay here we go. Three. Two. Guys, I'm sorry if this is your first commentary. You're. Well, I'm sorry. All right, here we go. Three. Two one. Play. Oh. All right. We do get right into it. That oh oh.
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Oh, oh.
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By the way, that far, I'm sure a lot of scream fans who are listening to this. We're happy to see it show up in that, scream seven TV spot. Yeah, yeah. And I didn't notice it until Lauren said something on social media, and then he, like, I saw you said something and I watched it again. It's like, oh my God, there's.
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Probably my mom, but there's something about that TV spot was that there's a little there's a gunshot when that's when the scream. Yeah thing. And you know, you always hear people talk about. I remember when scream five came out, they were always like, Ghostface doesn't use a gun. When he he was like, had that shotgun in the, in the convenience store.
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And people were like, yeah, he does. Yeah. He always uses a gun, but they like. But I remember seeing, like a big argument. People were like pissed. And it's like, what? But right there in the opening fucking of the original, there's a gunshot that moves offscreen. Yeah. You fired the gun case is like, can you imagine, though?
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Like, if she had said yes to Neptune to the Sidney Prescott roll and not. Yeah, not. I just wonder if it would have gone as far if she would have stayed. Is this Drood blew up like Neb. Campbell's a big star, but Drew's clearly done. More. More? Yeah, right. So I'm glad that she suggested it because it's so brilliant, you know?
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But would we have gotten worse had she not decided to because she was originally cast as supposedly that's what they say, or maybe literally or actually as Sidney. And I was like, no, I think, you know, we should go the there's so many homages in this movie, it's so meta that what is the ultimate surprise in a horror movie is Janet Leigh in Psycho.
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Spoiler alert. So this is very much like to open up with the Janet Leigh moment is. Yeah. And I think it's so funny you know. But it works. Yeah. We're at 30 years like it's literally 30 years since this movie came out. And I think sometimes even I sometimes forget how much of an influence this has had on horror movies.
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It's not to say that this is the first meta, you know, self-referential horror movie you had. Like Jason. I mean, you had literally a couple years before this, you had new nightmare. You had Jason, you have Jason. Six Jason lives, they exist. But this one set such a like an intense precedent for mainstream horror movies. Yeah, that I think we sometimes forget, like, how big of a deal this was.
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Yeah, I yeah, I wrote a paper in college. I'll send it to some. It's probably embarrassing to read now, but like, I love it. I love global horror films class in in college it was an elective and we got we got around to American horror films, and I just read an entire, like, chronological like essay about the the origin of this and the impact it had on movies, a horror movie specifically.
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And I feel like, yeah, we don't we don't talk about it because the first board movie I actually saw was I Know What You Did last Summer when I was seven before scream, before scream. So, so I saw scream slutty sister, sister, cousin, and then went back and started, like, getting into it. But I do feel like reading is such a great gateway horror movie because it lets the viewer like in on the play of it all, you know, whereas other horror movies you're just screaming at people with this one, you actually get to be like, oh, I know the answer to that.
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I know I can do that. But why was it, you know, when was do you remember? So you said you were seven when you saw I Know What You Did last Summer. Do you remember how old you were or where you were when you saw scream? Probably. It was so it would have it kind of happened very shortly before the seventh.
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The second one came on VHS. They were they were just a year apart, you know, like, and I remember, I think you and I had the same experience continue. But I think you and I, I think our origin story is literally exactly the same. It's they were they came out so shortly after each other like I, I definitely saw this one first, but then going to immediately came out on VHS.
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Like when I'm with like, like recording those two movies and rewriting them over and over again, my dad was like, oh my God, what's wrong with you? You know, like there's 7 or 8 and you're like, love this shit. And I'm like, it's like these movies. They really do. Like, my little nephew watches that. He went as Ghostface this Halloween and like, I mean, he loves it, but I'm like, I don't think it's weird.
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I didn't turn out to be a serial killer. So yeah. Yet I you know it. Well, it's funny, it's even we mentioned New Night, Wes Craven's New Nightmare just a couple of years prior to this, Heather Langham Camps character. Well, she plays herself, and she says how Freddy Krueger is like Santa Claus or King Kong. He's just a household name, even for kids, because they're like, how could you let your son watch that movie?
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And she's like, well, he can't avoid it. And that's sort of like Ghostface in this movie where it's like it's it's less about it being a horror movie. And it it's just sort of like, I don't know. It's just, it's it's it's iconic beyond film. It's more of a cultural zeitgeist. Think. Yeah. You know, it's so there's it makes sense.
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And these movies scream straddles such a nice line of it's not a Terrifier kind of movie where it's just abrupt torture, but it's also not playing it safe. So it's that nice middle. It's such a I always like, like, you know, there's this psychological, but there's also like, there's a, there's a camp factor to it that makes it palatable.
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So it really is. But strikes the perfect balance between, like, intense terror and then like comedic relief, you know, like it has. It's the roller coaster thing, you know, like, roller coasters are scary. And why do you ride a roller coaster? Because you want to feel a rush and know you'll be okay at the end. And that's this.
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Yeah, there's these roller coasters. You hate them. And yet you, like, scream. Interesting. It's not like them anymore. So I feel like I. Something changed. I became more cautious. I saw in the business of a true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what they said. No, I'm sure there's a one in like you changed, man. That just because you didn't go out earlier just for good.
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You know?
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Fun fact about this movie. And this is just for people. Maybe you're such a diehard fan that you know, all the lore. Maybe not. But when Kevin Williamson wrote this, he basically was he was inspired by it was who was it? It was. There was a killer in, oh, the Gainesville Ripper in Florida. And he was housesitting for a friend, I believe, in Palm Springs, somewhere out in the desert.
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And he was kind of just kind of freaked him out. And it was it ended up becoming a nice little cocktail for inspiration. And he supposedly wrote it in a few days, and they sent it around, and there was a bidding war. There were a lot of different directors who were interested in taking it on even. What was it?
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Oliver Stone, his name was in the mix. Was money. No doubt about binder. Yep. John Carpenter almost grabbed it and Wes Craven actually turned it down. Yeah. You just it wasn't in his, I guess, current wheelhouse. Obviously it's his wheelhouse, but he was wanting to do more drama. You know, he did music of the heart after this.
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Or was it before? No, it was after, yeah. And, he cites this kid that he said saw him on the street and he said, hey, you know, whatever happened to, like, when are you going to do, like, a really kick ass horror movie? And he was like, well, shit. And then he goes, this script loved, obviously.
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Meta. There's a story you're alluding to, like, is there was I think it was, the one he did with Eddie Murphy and Angela Bassett, the vampire film. Oh, vampire, Brooklyn Vampire in Brooklyn, where he was like, it's like, yeah, it really sucks. He's like, you're losing your edge. What happened? And they kind of like, put a fire underneath.
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But it was kind of like I was wicked. Do was Vampire in Brooklyn 95.
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Because I can't. Or was it because 93 seems too early? It feels. Well. So I know that would be insane if he did. New nightmare in 94, vampire Brooklyn 95, then this 1990. Hopefully I shall wow Wes Craven the man. Yeah. You know, I always had a soft spot for vampires. No shit on vampire in Brooklyn. Like, you know, like, you know, a fun movie.
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Even I actually, I know, I remember as a kid that, again, I loved horror movies growing up. And, you know, sometimes the only access you had to them at that age was when you would see a trailer for it or a TV spot. And I remember thinking it was so, first of all, like, you love Eddie Murphy. And I remember specifically in the trailer and obviously in the movie, when he, like, picks his teeth and like, throws it out and it's like a full organ or like a heart or something.
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I was like, I was like, sold. I mean, this is everything I. Well, in a movie. Yeah, basically, if a movie makes me uncomfortable, yeah, for whatever reason, that is the rest that I seek in movies, if it's too easy to watch, too easy. And then if you go on to bed like Boy Meets World or whatever, like, but like if I'm the same person, I literally just rewatched the whole seven seasons over the course of like, it took like six months because I only I would fall asleep two episodes in there, like, you know, you you'd rewatch the scream episode over and over again.
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Yes, yes. Oh, there it is. Our monster. Oh, boy. There's no.
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So Drew Barrymore is a, active. I don't know, you'd call it, like, a supporter of just animal safety, animal rights and all that. Yeah. And to get her to evoke this very intense energy through this opening, Wes Craven apparently was like sharing stories, like horror stories about animals that were being, you know, hurt in some way there.
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And it really hit her. She just. Okay, cool. Yeah, he just fuck around. But that's not necessarily. I don't know if I could do a horror movie. I say this all the time because I scare easily, but they always say it's not what you think. It's fun on set. It's not. Doesn't feel like, you know. And I was like, I don't know if I'm waiting for someone to jump out of a closet, I'm going to I'm going.
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I feel like I'm still going to be anxious, even though I know, like Laura was going to be the director and he's going to like, scream before this, like scream. They're like, shut up, it's your movie. You wrote it, you know it's going to happen. It's. That is it's interesting. I am actually directing my first horror movie this year and I'm excited to.
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It's the whole year, the title, it's called to Make the World Quiet, and it is a psychological horror dealing with police brutality. I mean, how timely. Right. But also for supernatural things. And so, you know, for my first, like, you know, it's scary going into, like, spooky territory, like directing it. So I'm excited about that. That's so exciting.
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It's my first proper, like, genre movie to me. You know, that's so exciting because even, like, social comedies and stuff like that. But this is like, no, I'm going to make my version of a horror movie finally. So I'm excited. And that is, you showed me or it was available online. There was a teaser. There was a clip that's from this movie, correct?
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Yes, yes. Is this something that listeners can find for themselves right now? You can find it. Well, one of you follow me on any kind of any of my social media handles. But also, yeah. So we made essentially made a what is it like a, a six minute short film that doubles as a concept trailer?
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Gotcha. For the movie. And so but it includes the actors that I intend to use for it, too. So it does kind of, you know, so I'm excited about that. People got excited about that. And I was like, guys, I made this in eight hours with five friends, no money. So if you give me money, I just wait until you say, yeah, yeah.
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You're, crowdfunding campaign was really successful. Yeah, that's. We're up to about 50,000. That's awesome. And, like, so gradual. It's the four months, so. Yeah. So wait. Okay, so this movie's so meta that we're watching a movie about a movie that talks about the making of movies, and we're commentating on it about a movie, and we're about how we made the movie.
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You gotta love it, guys. I mean, this is why you come to the movies. Yeah. That's why every time I rewatch scream now when this guy comes to the door, I think the guys don't scream. What is he like? You know, the guy all this, like, I know he's alive, so, like, which is by scream seven.
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By scream seven. Like, where is where his daddy. Okay. So got. What's he doing? I was thinking about this two in scream four, there was a deleted scene that tells us he actually passed away, but they cut it. So it is not technically canon. And I wonder if that's why they cut it, because I think they were probably trying to give Sidney just some more emotional turmoil.
00;28;40;23 - 00;29;08;02
Like like she it's like, save that for a sequel. Everyone's dying. Yeah, I've been wondering that too. I would love it if they brought him back. Absolutely. The one thing I really want, I hope that they answer two is the fact that she's married with and has children. Question mark. I don't know if it's one child or two children.
00;29;08;02 - 00;29;42;03
There's kind of a weird discrepancy there. What is she pushing in the carriage and scream five. Right. Carriage. That kid's condition in her wicker old Victorian carriage. But Sydney doesn't strike me as somebody that would have that would get married or would have kids. Given all the trauma she's had and fear of like, you know. So I really hope that there's like, an answer for why she decided to move on and decided to, to try to even changed her name in there.
00;29;42;03 - 00;30;08;03
And the promo stuff, she's she's listed as Sydney Evans, which is interesting. Right? That could be it. More of like, hide my identity thing like she has in the past. Yeah. It's an interesting question because I mean also there's the controversy around Mark. She references. Mark is her husband. Of course every fan thought it was Mark Kincaid because it was and then they was exact.
00;30;08;03 - 00;30;29;28
And notice. So I'm but I didn't say the last name because that would have been awkward because then they would I know, I know because then it would be like a true recasting. So I'm glad he's not playing Mark Kincaid, at least. And I don't like I don't love a recast. It's not always the worst, but have we had a recast in the scream franchise?
00;30;30;00 - 00;30;52;27
I can't think of anything. Not any major ones. I don't think so, because even Maureen, the actress who plays mom, is still the same actor. Yeah, I love, gosh, I mean, I remember having such a huge crush on Billy in this movie, but, and I didn't. I was more of a stew that. Oh, well, that makes sense.
00;30;52;29 - 00;31;27;20
Well, identifying with, everything in her room, I'm like, why does this look like my bedroom? Wait, what are you, Nev Campbell? I think I might be a bit of camp. Thank God I knew it. I thought you loved me, Emilia. And it's the nightgown. But. Yeah, I was speaking of scary movie. The scene. Yes. Listeners, if you've never seen Scary Movie, I'm not saying it's great cinema, but if you love these movies and haven't had the pleasure of watching that movie, it's so fun.
00;31;27;22 - 00;31;50;19
Yeah, it's so stupid. I still am. So, like, I was able to sell these to my kid, my husband, maybe all 3 or 4 years ago, maybe for the first time, and he thought they were all the same thing. Like, he just like scream scary movie, screaming scary movie. And I mean, and he's like, well, aren't they movies?
00;31;50;19 - 00;32;08;05
Making fun of movies? I was like, is this the one with Doctor Phil? No. Right. And I'm like, no, no, no, it's a legit one. That that movie is full of theme, but it also makes me want to movies. I was like, yeah, he's like, that's hilarious. So they they are the same thing. I said, no, no, no, you got you'll see what I mean.
00;32;08;09 - 00;32;32;17
It's what they're silly, but they're not that silly. It's like I tried rewatching Scary Movie like two years ago and I can't get past doofy. It's pretty like when I was a kid, it was funny. But as you get older and I'm just like, this is not it. There's a lot of rooms and I'm too woke to enjoy some things now, and I hate.
00;32;32;18 - 00;32;56;13
Yeah, yeah, I think we all are. Yeah. I'm like, no, this used, I used to laugh at these, transphobic jokes. This is not funny anymore. Yeah, exactly. Like so you see how it's such. And I promise I didn't really mean this to be funny. I was. I say it like low hanging fruit when it comes to, like, those types of jokes, because it's just, it is like, not actually funny.
00;32;56;13 - 00;33;15;04
It's just I mean, it's just kind of and it's not even intended to be. It was just a different room. It was a different time, obviously. What is is it, not Marley is Marlon Wayans. Yeah. Marlon Wayans is obviously a huge supporter of that. I mean, as a daughter or a I can't remember like someone that's trans in his family right now.
00;33;15;04 - 00;33;33;17
Yeah. So he's a huge advocate for that. But clearly there was a it was a different time frame where that was so readily done. You know, so commonplace. But and I didn't think I don't think it was. Yeah. I don't think it was coming from a place of like, let's offend this group. I think it was just like, yeah, we're not trying to offend.
00;33;33;17 - 00;33;54;06
We just don't know we're offending and we don't know what people found funny. Then. Yeah, like I said, I laughed. Now I can't find it funny, you know? So, yeah, I, Sheriff, I'm I'm, Oh, God. Some of the actor. Him right there. Henry. Henry winkler. Oh. Mary winkler. Jesus. The nicest man on the planet.
00;33;54;06 - 00;34;14;17
The wingman. I met him at the Oklahoma airport when I used to work there. It was like 6 a.m. in the morning. And, like, he. I love working at the airport because I would spot celebrities. Like, I think everyone's like, how do you know they're out of makeup? I was like, nothing gets past me like that. Henry was in his leather jacket.
00;34;14;19 - 00;34;31;11
He was like, hey, you like, are you Henry Winkler? Are you? Yeah, exactly. And I was like, I asked my my coworker. I was like, can I leave the till for a minute just to go sprint after that? Man. He's famous. You don't know who they are. I'm not going to explain it. I need to do this or I'm not going to have this moment again.
00;34;31;14 - 00;34;48;17
And I have the photo. I sent it to you later, but I went up to him and he was literally boarding, and I was like, you were like, hey, hey, do you do you know, it's like Ghost Face with the door opens and you just come out with like, your arms in the air. He's like, get over here.
00;34;48;17 - 00;35;06;26
Yeah. No, but he was so sweet. And he did. I had no reason to be because I'm a psychopath and I'm basically assaulting a person at six in the morning. He doesn't. I talked to a stranger and he definitely let me take a photo with. Super sweet. So nicest man on the planet, you know, that's awesome. You're like you.
00;35;06;26 - 00;35;26;10
You did good in screw. You did good, sir. It's like I was in scream. The uncredited in this movie. Uncredited in one. He said he didn't want his name to take away from the younger actors. Yeah, it's just like, they're like, right there with your story right there. Yeah.
00;35;26;13 - 00;35;48;11
I always, I always love this dynamic. How they introduce them here. I feel like it's written so many movies, whether they're teen films or whatever. Like they sometimes take way too long for us. Established who's who and the dynamic of the friend group. And I felt like, this is such a brilliant, like one scene that we know who everyone is, like their characteristics.
00;35;48;14 - 00;36;06;16
It's a borderline, Breakfast Club in terms of like, individuality, but without going too far into like, yeah, strictly jocks, strictly nerd, strictly, you know this, but you get it, you get there. You're totally right. You get that flavor. Yeah.
00;36;06;19 - 00;36;25;20
I love how everyone's saying it. Right, Sydney. That's what everyone is in these movies. They'll have, like, enormous amounts. Yeah, I'm like, oh, I was like, the dad's a cop, right? Or what's. Oh, wait. What's the. Yeah. Oh no. Yeah. We don't know what he does. He's so mysterious. That's really in a way, because he's just always on business trips.
00;36;25;27 - 00;36;54;00
He's always on business. There you go. It's like, got a two story home in Cal in California. It's like Northern California. I did a tour when it came out. Like I did. It's insane actually. It's like, yeah, I feel like if it was me, I would not shoot from that angle because it's almost, I don't know, kind of telegraphing something about Sydney and like the kind of person like, yeah, he's rich.
00;36;54;00 - 00;37;14;09
He's, you know, like, but really has nothing to do with the story. Right. This she's definitely he definitely that home would be like it'd be over $1 million you know like easily right. So like, I mean a couple million. So it's like that's just. Yeah. But I don't know how much it would have went for 1996, but it probably wouldn't be that far off, you know, like so.
00;37;14;13 - 00;37;49;18
Yeah. By the way, listeners I established or this is not a video formatted show, it is a commentary. We are not even recording video. And yet I my ensemble is a white t shirt with a black button down opened up to evoke a ghost face mask. I don't know if anyone would like it. Put that together and I have an entire shrine behind me of Ghost Face memorabilia, and I just wanted to share that because you're never going to see it.
00;37;49;21 - 00;38;15;03
True, I'm wearing cream ball cap. If it's ball cap, it's technically it's beautiful. Is it? Technically, it's scream big six. But I wear it for all occasions. I work out in it, I do other people's. It's, you know, like, so, it goes with every outfit. So, Well, shit, I was going to wear my.
00;38;15;05 - 00;38;36;04
I've got a hoodie. I'm in this closet recording here, and I've got a hoodie. Wait, you're in the closet? That's Sydney, that's the Ghost Society in it. It's it's, it's, Woodsboro, class of 96. I didn't know you had that. Yeah. Danny, I have to thank you. What? What? And, I was going to wear.
00;38;36;04 - 00;38;57;13
I was like, we're not recording videos. I'm like, if I go away, I love murder. Oh, man, I feel left out. Well, I can feel the energy of it. You know, I do want to ask. Oh, what? Okay. Oh, no, this is going to it's just going to be I basically I was going to say can we try to flag who we think each good killers is?
00;38;57;13 - 00;39;24;09
You read killers and you've seen. Yeah. What are you going to say? I say I always feel bad for it's like Sydney's character. And I think part of the reason why she's such an empathetic and kind of endearing final girl is like, she has so much goodwill or to her perception of her mother and, you know, all these different things, and she's just really in the dark about so much of it.
00;39;24;11 - 00;39;44;15
And then the sad realization that she has to keep coming through that, like, really the origin of so much of her problems kind of came from the conduct that we should condemn, necessarily. Maureen Prescott but I mean, like but she is kind of Sydney's left to deal with it. He's left to deal with the sense of her mother is that of her father in this way.
00;39;44;15 - 00;40;12;09
And I find that, kind of a quiet tragedy about her character throughout this whole process. That's so interesting that such a great point that Sydney would be the focus when if, you know, obviously the motive is psychotic, you know. Yeah. It's one thing to be upset that, yeah, it's one thing to be upset that like, you know, this this person had something to do with an affair and it ruined your parents marriage, yada, yada.
00;40;12;11 - 00;40;32;27
But if you were to pick someone to attack, you would think it would be the husband, because maybe there was something like she said, yeah, nothing to do. There was no direct or spun like, gosh, the less than nothing to do with it. You know, it's crazy. It's like she's just it's like you're just a reflection of the thing that we hate.
00;40;32;27 - 00;40;54;24
That's all it is. It's like it's a projection for all these people. And actually, she didn't actually have any culpability in any of this stuff. So, yeah, if this was a traditional episode, Mr. Prescott would be the real monster. Yeah, but even that would be, like, unfair. We're still, like, pointing blame. We're not like, blaming the killers. Yeah, yeah, we blaming who should be responsible.
00;40;54;24 - 00;41;36;17
Who's going to incite violence? This is who the killers should have gone after. Yeah, well, I have a question. Yes, and spoiler alert, if you are listening to this and you haven't seen this movie, I'm going to spoil who the killers are. So. God, if Billy and Stu were successful at the end of this movie, right, that they killed, Sydney and they survived, would they just be done, or do you think they enjoyed it so much that they would continue and just like, well, Stu says he's like, you know, we're going to carry on for the sequel because these days you got to have a sequel film.
00;41;36;17 - 00;42;02;29
Yeah. However, his whole motive is very separate from Billy. Sure. Yeah. There's a lot of theories about, like, Billy has like a motivation that even Stu is surprised to hear. You know, obviously he he was aware of everything that happened. But Stu is always I mean, he's literally called in part two, Raina calls him his lapdog. And then, of course, there's the rumor that or not even a rumor.
00;42;02;29 - 00;42;24;19
It's more just like, we just love the idea that, like, maybe they were either they were both secretly gay or Stu had a gay crush on Billy. Compared to a straight crush on Billy. But, so, like, if maybe Stu would be interested in that idea or open to it if Billy was, but would Billy be?
00;42;24;22 - 00;42;47;01
It's an interesting, I do think Stu would only do it in tandem with Billy, whereas Billy would have more more of an agenda for it. He's kind of the tagalong. He's kind of. This is kind of the shaggy of this of this movie. Yeah, that is true. It is Billy the Fred of this franchise. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00;42;47;03 - 00;43;24;10
Maybe a definite resourcefulness. Like in every, like, from the very beginning. She's a fighter. He's not the damsel distressed by film. Oh, no. Fight back. You know, like you need, of course, like good decisions. You still like. Yeah. Even in terms of, like, she obviously calls out and this plays into obviously this self-awareness of these movies and like the whole meta, actual ness of it, but, even like the thing of her not going out the front door is only because she can't because she's, what, like with the luck that was being proactive, there wasn't a chance.
00;43;24;12 - 00;43;49;11
Yeah, exactly. By the way, I just want to take a moment. I don't I can't think of anyone that shoots a chase scene better than Wes Craven. Yeah, there's just something about it. He just gets it in a way that I can't articulate. Yeah, and obviously, that's also a testament to the I'm pretty. You get and you get nothing, but you see one that would help make it great.
00;43;49;14 - 00;44;11;20
I heard that there's going to be they're going to really emphasize that. So we'll see. Okay. I'm excited about that. I'm so I'm curious because I don't know, getting teased another trailer and I'm fine if we don't get it or not. But we do. What have you seen the most? Did you see I posted tonight and this is gonna age, like, find milk by the time you listen to this commentary.
00;44;11;22 - 00;44;47;00
But, yeah, I posted, on my Instagram stories. The they just did this kind of, behind the scenes sort of feature. Yeah, I did watch that. Yeah, there were two shots in that that if you again, you're you're going to hear this about a month after this was out. Fair warning. Don't watch it if you don't want spoilers because there are two shots that like basically gave me a pretty clear idea of at least 1 or 1 big set piece will be, I won't repeat it just in case you ever watch.
00;44;47;00 - 00;45;10;17
It doesn't involve how you spend it in here. Yes, yes, I saw yes. I'm very curious about what that or what them. I know I'm like, I don't want to dig into it, but I do. It's it's like it's it's it's tough because my I love when a new scream is coming out because there's so much conjecture and theorizing and discussion.
00;45;10;17 - 00;45;33;18
Nobody does this with any other thinking about other horror franchises. Like even if you're excited for the new Halloween, you're not like, well, how's it going to play out? You know, the and like, you just wait to watch with scream. It's so much like, who's it today? I literally like a lunatic typed into Google as I was like, stopped working, open up a new tab, typed scream seven poster, zoomed in.
00;45;33;18 - 00;46;04;28
It was just like, looking at all the actors. Like, are you a little suspicious just because you saw what he's wearing? His eyes. Yeah. You know, or I'd be like, because I know, I don't know if they must do this for all of them, but I know they at least have done it for the last couple movies where when they audition an actor or at least get them to a place where they're probably going to hire them, they all have to do a ghost face freak out monologue because they want to see, they want to throw people off, but they also want to see, like, if we do change course, can you do this?
00;46;05;00 - 00;46;34;12
Can you do it? Yeah. And okay, like for example, in scream six, the actor who played his name escapes me, but he plays the character Danny. Samantha's boyfriend. Who? The hunk next door. They said they were like, we wish he was the killer because he gave the best Ghostface monologue. They said it was so fun, and it was so sad that we couldn't keep them from.
00;46;34;15 - 00;46;54;03
But I only saw. I only saw scream six once in the theater. That's it. Oh, really? So my memory of that movie is, I think I saw it twice, and then I've watched it twice. Okay. I've seen it a few times, so twice, 2 or 3 times in theaters. And then I watched a few times at home.
00;46;54;04 - 00;47;12;21
I do my little personal screen with. That's the one that's the most fun for me to rewatch is actually three, because I've seen it the least. And so every time I watch the fun, it does kind of feel like I'm rewatching it again. I'm like, oh yeah, I don't have this. It's so stupid and I love it for that.
00;47;12;23 - 00;47;34;27
I don't have, but it's also in my head and my brain is like the other ones. I see frame per frame for frame. I know the lines three is like the one where I'm like, oh yeah, it still kind of feels like, oh, it's been a while since I've seen this scene again, you know, like so for a diehard scream fans, scream three definitely has a lot of, you know, it's I'm gonna I'm not going to say anything that hasn't already said before.
00;47;34;27 - 00;48;08;20
It's it's not hitting all of the, it's not perfect. However where it may not work as of total package, it has so many great moments and details. Sidney is not on screen a lot, but when she is fantastic, her look is great. The the sequence on the studio lot with the Woodsboro house like incredible. Like it gets that Bob cameo, the voice changer with technology that will never exist and couldn't never exist.
00;48;08;23 - 00;48;33;21
Oddly enough, when I showed it to, like I said a couple years ago, I just showed it to my my husband, he his favorite is three. And I was like, really? He's like, yeah, it's very fun. It is the first dude. I mean, he's wrong, but I respect, you know, like, oh yeah, he's so incredibly wrong. Where like where this is like a nice, beef Wellington.
00;48;33;21 - 00;48;53;22
Scream three is a hot dog, you know? Yeah. Like, it's basically the same thing if you wanted to break it down, you know, it's your hot dog. Good. And pay for it was great in the summer. It's great. You know, it goes great with a white hawk. But like, but yeah, there's a time and place for a hot dog.
00;48;53;24 - 00;49;27;05
And sometimes it's all, you know, and it's perfect in those moments. So. Yeah. But I also think when people ask me because I've kind of cooled on or. But I like all of them, obviously I love all of them, but I feel like every on Rewatches as I do them every Halloween, because the one that I can see outside of characters that I adore, like, Kirby and and even, Judy Hicks, oh yeah, it's the one that I see.
00;49;27;05 - 00;49;57;13
Like, if you removed it from everything. Yeah. Outside of losing those characters, which is not nothing but in terms of story and narrative, it doesn't really change anything. It's sort of like the the thing about Indiana Jones, the Raiders of the Lost Ark, where the like, if Indiana Jones is not present in that movie, things would have still played out the same story better, because if he hadn't interfered, they probably, first of all, they would have still opened it and died.
00;49;57;15 - 00;50;17;22
And secondly, if he wasn't present, they probably would have had it. They probably would have waited to open it with Hitler and killed him, but got. But the only real loss would probably be Marion may have died. Yeah, but it's the same idea. Where? But it's still fun. It's like, well, I'm glad he's there because. And then maybe it's about his journey.
00;50;17;25 - 00;50;42;27
Or there are things I love about for I just, I feel like in rewatch it's the one I'm the least emotionally connected to. And I feel like that has something to do with the fact that, like even Gary, with all its problems, has like an in that we need that. It's really integral to Sidney's overall journey throughout the franchise.
00;50;42;29 - 00;51;10;05
Like the whole third act of that is so important to her character, even if there's flimsy things in the movie throughout. It's funny, a fix that if they just gave Maureen's sister, Mary McDonald's character maybe like, give a little bit of juice about the past, you know, say something that changes the story that we're familiar with him or have her as the killer, you know?
00;51;10;05 - 00;51;37;15
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I also way, though, like the openings in all these movies, I feel like for has such a fun opening in terms of, like, the madness of it, but when you think about every other movie like that, has the cold open, the central character, you're invested in what's happening to them emotionally. So tell me, who are the people that die in the opening of for?
00;51;37;18 - 00;51;54;22
We don't really care. We are speaking the same language. I, we don't know this because there's a movie within a movie within a movie. And then by the time you get to the two people that actually die, they barely even referenced the people that got murdered in the top, the top of the movie. It's so funny. It's not even it's not that it's like empty calories because it is fun.
00;51;54;22 - 00;52;19;13
It's a great like you have to remember. And by you, I mean like just the general. You, Yeah. Like when scream four came out, we didn't think we would ever get another scream movie. Like, it really was not even in consideration. So for it to come back with such like a bold opening was so fun and like, yeah, oh, we get it sets the tone very tongue in cheek, but also bloody.
00;52;19;15 - 00;52;43;25
But I agree, I've thought about this recently too. Where there is a there's something not there that's in all of the other ones. That is it's and it's the. Yeah, it's not really setting the stage for anyone. Right. There's no pivotal like necessity. I guess. Yeah. They feel like C or D characters by the time you get to three different tiers of it.
00;52;43;27 - 00;53;04;29
And then it's not like anyone else is grieving their death throughout the rest of the movie, where we even even subsequently feel bad that they die. And it's like, we know the names, you know, like this, you know, where even in five with that opening, which even though that doesn't go exactly the way we think, we still are invested in that particular character in that moment.
00;53;05;01 - 00;53;28;18
You know, like So Hot five is great, though. I think, are we ranking all the openings for you guys to do it? Where does low low key two is? I always say this I get in trouble with scream fans. I get in trouble. People put to some people, some people put two at the bottom. And I'm like, you are far out of reach.
00;53;28;18 - 00;53;56;19
That's insane. Or madam. But I hear it. I see it in the scream threads and all the things. People rank it low and I'm like, I don't get that. I don't understand that. There's it's literally just objectively clever. It's like everything it does again, I think it's so much time has passed. People forget how clever it is that you actually made me like you're watching a sequel about a movie about like, wait, I'm sorry.
00;53;56;20 - 00;54;20;12
You said you were talking. You were about to compliment me. What were you saying? Like you actually said to me, it was. It was in your. I think it was in your guys's, recorded episode of scream two. I like that you were like you were speaking to me. You literally. I literally stole what you said and put it on the podcast that I did later, subsequently on AHS, I did tell you about it.
00;54;20;19 - 00;54;53;02
So just so it was out there, but your insight about how, Maureen Evans, I think it is they're not like Jada Pinkett some or. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I just I just broke my brain because her name is Evans. And Sydney said, yeah, sorry. There's some there's something very, just emotionally, like, tragic and poetic about her death because she is under the impression that her boyfriend murdered her.
00;54;53;05 - 00;55;14;00
She's not. We know that that's not so. But she goes now with just confusion and agony and pain. And her last thought is that the person she loved, like, you know, did this to her. That was her moment. That's her last chance to unveil that it was a killer. There was no there's even no phone call in that opening.
00;55;14;00 - 00;55;35;13
So cruel. The only one in all of them. There's no phone call. You know? And so I. Yeah, from her perspective, there's not even, like, tension. You just get stabbed by or just murdered. And so that, to me, carries like an added weight. I think the opening in the first one is like panic, obviously, and it's probably objectively the best.
00;55;35;15 - 00;56;08;25
Yeah. But I find myself more, more pulled into the second one's opening and then than any of the other. So clever. It's so dark. I also like what it's saying about audiences is it's so on the nose, like sometimes you can kind of ruin a point by being too overt, but it works so well because it's like, yeah, look, the audience is relishing in this violence on screen, but also she's up there and it's really happening.
00;56;08;25 - 00;56;31;28
And look at you audience, you're watching them relish and you're just as excited. And so there is like this commentary about which is kind of bringing you back to the first movie of, you know, movies don't great psychos all that. Yeah. And then and also kind of telling it to Mickey's motive of like, you know, the pushing coalition will be, you know, funding my legal bills and.
00;56;32;00 - 00;57;02;25
I, I find that one is objectively the best, but two is my favorite. Just run every time you say something, I'm like, I'm like, we have the same exact taste. It's insane. I think that two is my favorite because there's so much there's something I love. The college dynamic. I love the diversification of the cats. I love the integrates in, African American characters that were not present in the first one is not present in this movie.
00;57;02;27 - 00;57;22;18
Like they just don't exist in the movie. Really. No one there, you know, you got Joel, you got Halley, you got, you know, Jada Pinkett and Maureen is commenting on it like, yeah, which is so perfect. Literally that literal. Yeah. And I find that very obviously very personally, you know, and like, yes, she's right. Yes. I see you movie.
00;57;22;18 - 00;57;56;09
I agree with all these points. I also just love the set pieces. There's incredible set pieces in that. When you think of this first one, there's the it's all the ending. Yeah, there's the opening opening. But yeah, maybe 1 or 2 little things in between. But in terms of like all of the action, just as like one major set piece at the end where there's several, many set pieces and to the cars, to the soundstage, you know, the, the Sisi Cooper, the there's just, oh my God, yes.
00;57;56;09 - 00;58;16;07
There's so many like, like moments I look forward to every time I'm watching it. And so just objectively, I think the first one, as I say, is the best in terms of setting the foundation. But in terms of my favorite, it's probably too, you know, so, but two doesn't exist for that one. So it's kind of like whatever.
00;58;16;07 - 00;58;35;23
Because give them both the same. Great. I love them both. But you know, I know it's tough though, because I think it just also works because it's a testament to one. It's the characters are so good in some of them, you know, is only a few who survived, but the ones who did were so memorable that it's like revisiting friends not to be confused.
00;58;35;23 - 00;58;55;04
Yeah, the series friends, which they're pretty characters on. Yeah. Zach, you missed so much. Zach had to step away because the movie, it's a little too scary because he's go the faith. You went to go kill him like bro. Like you're nearing. Oh, yeah. Do you have a motive? Yeah. I was recording a podcast for scream.
00;58;55;06 - 00;59;15;27
Oh, interesting for him. And he went rogue for a whole three minutes with this. Yeah, it's the name. It's like in scream four. It's like I'll have just enough time to. To get. What does he say? Like he's like, there are two cops outside. It's like, that'll give me just enough time to get you. Well yeah, I had to step away but I want to step back.
00;59;15;27 - 00;59;35;08
I don't know what you guys were fucking talking about, but I want to say, believe it or not, it really was about scream. And I want to rank my, openings. Okay. That's actually we were just talking about the scream two openings, like, you know, so we are. We are. No, we did not. Okay. Here. Yours first.
00;59;35;11 - 00;59;57;29
Now, I know you guys obviously are more of the diehard scream fan. Yeah. Like, our whatever we pick is going to be correct. So yeah, basically you're setting yourself a yeah. So here's what I got. I would go one okay. Two. Yeah.
00;59;58;01 - 01;00;23;13
Four. Sorry. Okay. One okay. 1245. God, I have to keep track. 1245. You need six and three now. Oh. That's it right. Yeah, yeah. And then three and six.
01;00;23;15 - 01;00;47;03
Oh wow. That is I like I, I only saw scream six once, but I remember the opening. I was like I don't know, I just didn't I'll say that. You say it's unique. I wish they'd done more with what they set up in that than they. That is such a great point. It's such a great set up with the pay off.
01;00;47;04 - 01;01;18;07
And that might have been higher, you know, like but they don't really. So it's kind of like you did something really cool and we did I think would be like, so yeah. Yeah. Where. Yeah. So I mean we spoiled that or should we not spoil that I don't know, I mean, we kind of went there. I mean, it's kind of, I don't know, scream six is I feel like if you're listening to our scream commentary, probably, you know, the phrase I'll say spoiler alert, but yes, they reveal a Ghostface to us in the opening.
01;01;18;07 - 01;01;50;06
We're like, wait, wait, wait wait, what do we wait? It's not the end. Yeah, you hear? That's weird. Are we going to be like, follow? Are we going to. No space is the whole movie and we're just going to see them triggering throughout the. That would have been really cool. They had. That was I had an idea. I promise I will not get into fan film stuff, but I had I had outlined my own scream movie years ago and yeah, part of it was you find out he on after does the opening kill the killer takes his mask off and we see this cop sirens come out and we see him get out and you
01;01;50;06 - 01;02;11;07
follow him. But you find out that there's another killer. Yeah, it's separate from him. And he starts to realize, like, oh, shit. But I thought it would be a great idea just to have him or her or whomever to see, like staging a mapping out a chase sequence, you know, because there is so much the concept of directing.
01;02;11;07 - 01;02;32;03
I feel like you could have fun with that, but I digress. Yeah. Who's the killer? Who's this person right here? I've always wondered who this is because I think it's. Oh, you don't think it's Billy? It's not. You just ran from Billy to go to the bathroom away from him. They just had an argument in the hallway. So I wouldn't have time to go past her and go in there.
01;02;32;06 - 01;02;53;24
So I'm like, so it's gone. And they just. I can't remember where Stu was at this moment, but every time I go back, this I'm always remembering. I was like, they just said he was here and so-and-so is here. So who is this? You know, like in this bathroom? So. Yeah. So I meant to we were talking about this earlier, like, a person who, so it's not actually the killer, like one of them.
01;02;53;26 - 01;03;11;02
It's the prankster, one of the pranksters doing this. And that would make more sense to me. And it would take a little logic out of the the whole. Yeah. Because why would the killer be there? Yeah. And the girl, you know, to like, why why screw them. So why screw it up and make it harder for them if they don't need to?
01;03;11;05 - 01;03;36;02
And how would they know he was going to go to the she would be alone. What was the intention? Yeah. That's like I like that. That would make more sense. I'm fine. Honestly. I would sign off on that rank, do her. But it's basically like maybe that wasn't Billy or Stu. It was just someone fucking like one of the, you know, like the kids that were fucking around.
01;03;36;05 - 01;03;52;02
Yeah, because it would be weird. And then they kind of would wait. Zach, do you think it's one of the cast members from the show kids in the Hall? Yeah. What's the name, like, Kevin McDonald or something? Yeah.
01;03;52;05 - 01;04;12;16
So. All right, I'm sorry to cut you off. I didn't think it was at all. Reference. What is your what is your ranking? I'm still thinking of mine, but I'm. This is very tough for me. I almost want to put one into. But that's cheating all together.
01;04;12;18 - 01;04;16;09
It's so tough. Okay. For.
01;04;16;11 - 01;04;22;09
I'll say one is number one, one, two.
01;04;22;11 - 01;04;49;18
And then it's going to either be. Was that incredibly loud? That's funny that you're talking about this about Courtney Cox is on the screen because in that episode of friends where she's talking about, like, the female erogenous zones and she's like one, two, three, 41212, 1777. That's great. Also, yeah, listeners, just a fun fact. Again, when this movie was made, Courtney Cox was not.
01;04;49;20 - 01;05;08;15
No one saw her as this sort of character. And it was very deliberate in terms of like where she wanted her career to go. She was, you know, friends was just really like taking off. And if you're familiar with her character, Monica Geller is nothing like, Gail Weathers. And she wanted a challenge and they didn't think that she could do it.
01;05;08;15 - 01;05;33;01
And she obviously proved them wrong. And, yeah, yeah. I mean, my favorite character, it's kind of a nasty group was kind of a magic trick in terms of like the way that the cast has been so close to the franchise for 30 years with, like, so many years. Yeah. You get like one person, like Jamie Lee Curtis, like, okay, let's get her to come back.
01;05;33;06 - 01;06;00;13
Like they got her to do that. But like in terms of like, like multiple living characters, they're still like, okay, well, anytime there's a scream movie, we'll do it, you know, that sort of thing. Yeah. Like, obviously we lost, Patrick Dempsey, but that's like, yeah, you know, it's a small, small, a small person within it. But, but the core has always stuck true to it throughout, and they always seem to be like down hard for this franchise no matter what.
01;06;00;14 - 01;06;26;26
And with sustained continuity to, you know, like what franchise has really done that this successfully, it's kind of wild. Yeah. Like you could argue like they they diverge a bit with the Carpenter sisters, but it's still the same universe. Still, it's just a detour and it still includes the legacy characters. Right? Right. But to answer your question, oh, yeah, to rank.
01;06;26;28 - 01;06;48;08
Oh, yeah. I have a little cameo. Wes Craven, Wes Craven. Will you go? I like to think I made a stupid comment. I think it was like, blue Sky or something where it was like, it's not. He's actually not, it's not a it's not a like a nod. It's not a reference. He actually is dressing up as Freddy Krueger.
01;06;48;10 - 01;07;08;24
He just goes to work just as Freddy figures. But oh. Also, this scene did not exist for a while. The studio said, we need we need a kill scene. And he's like, it's been too long since some of you know, we need someone. Henry Winkler was just a quick cameo, and he was game to do this big jet.
01;07;08;25 - 01;07;39;22
Okay, just again, another testament. This this episode's dedicated to Henry Winkler, so I'm gonna raise my glass to him in restricted blood was. Cheers. Mr. Winkler. Oh, there's Lorraine meeting him for the first time on running down the halls of the airport with a nice. Enjoy your flight. No. Oh, that's a good, like, final line. Enjoy your flight.
01;07;39;24 - 01;08;00;10
Oh, this, I know. God, it's. I love this movie. I think it's. See, like, Lorraine, just like you're just, like, walking down the hallway in the airport, but then, like, this is so stupid. You were, like, eating at a restaurant, and you had your knife, and you're like, just forget it. No, the stupider, the better.
01;08;00;13 - 01;08;17;24
You're, like, going down the thing and you got your knife, and then, like, you slip on like there's like a wet floor sign. You slip. And so your arms go up and then you, like, go through like a caution tape and like it just gets crazier and crazier until you were like, we just see inflection. And then every Winkler's on, there's like a movie, Mary.
01;08;17;27 - 01;08;40;09
And he looks back very like, empathetically at me on the ground, not knowing how often. Yeah. Yes, exactly. I am a celebrity stalker. I have so many celebrity photos in my in my in my phone for me, like, getting the phone. I'm the person, you know, just for bread. That's so great. I love it so much.
01;08;40;11 - 01;08;56;03
I think you truly are a great Ghostface killer. I think I might be a good Ghostface Killah. I think I would probably be good at it. I would just, I don't know, like thanks, I think, but I know it was it. Lauren. Was it you? Yeah, it was you. I was talking to you. Right? Like, I wish I could be the Ghostface killer, but without having to kill anyone.
01;08;56;03 - 01;09;14;23
Like, I just might call people anybody scare them to test them on, like, trivia, chase them in a costume. But, like, everyone's my shift over return guy, dude, they're like, I want the whole town to be, like, trying to figure out who is this guy. But, like, I didn't have to hurt anyone in the process. It's just for some reason, I'm a threat.
01;09;14;26 - 01;09;44;09
Exact more of a nuisance. Needless Belgic the things video stores always. You know, I was just going to take a moment to just, like, appreciate. Zach and I both worked in a video store. Did you also work? I, I applied to blockbuster multiple times. I did not get hired. Either time that I applied, but every time I was there, I mind you, listeners, it was right after scream came out.
01;09;44;09 - 01;10;07;28
So Lauren was seven years old. I was like, please, please hire me. And they're like, maybe in ten years or, but I would go in there and they were really bad at their jobs because people would be asking for movies. And I'm like, it's right down the aisle. We like for you. And I'm just like, the guy you didn't hire for this job, you know?
01;10;07;28 - 01;10;26;06
Whatever. It's fine. I got yelled at at work once because the sound it's. I must have been so annoying. It's like this, like 17 year old high school film. They're, like, trying to be like, I know so much about movies, but I really would, like, talk people out of renting movies. I would be like restocking the shelves. I was like, you don't know, watch that.
01;10;26;08 - 01;10;44;05
And I'm like, oh, really terrible. Like, no, no, everyone's. And my boss came up to me. He's like, Danny, you have to stop. Please stop talking people out of renting movies. Well, I would, I would talk them out of them renting a movie, and then I would make a more like an exemplary, like. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like this.
01;10;44;05 - 01;11;01;13
Once you like this, you might like if, you know, if you want what? This movie was trying to go for this one over here, that's maybe two years old, but it's way better. But you know, this movie wouldn't exist with this one, so you may as well watch the original. May as well watch film first. Yeah, exactly. Okay.
01;11;01;13 - 01;11;15;10
I'm sorry, I am delaying my ranking of the openings. I would go one, two. I'm split between 5 and 6.
01;11;15;12 - 01;11;37;26
Five is much simpler. But I love, love, love, love, love the way that they reveal Ghostface over the single phone call where you don't realize it's Ghostface, but you kind of think it is, and then you hear his voice kind of change a little bit because he's it's basically Roger Jackson playing Ghostface. Yeah, disguising his voice as someone else.
01;11;37;28 - 01;12;02;22
Yeah. And then in that same conversation, becoming the traditional Ghostface voice, scream five, I'm going to say right now has the best Roger Jackson voice performance and all the praise. It is. That's fantastic. Like even the delivery with Judy Hicks, when he's like, they are seeing the movie psycho, and then it cuts to like just like little. Oh, you can just you know that he was he was reacting.
01;12;02;29 - 01;12;28;14
He was really delivering performance. Yeah for sure. Oh I love it so much. Okay. So for that I'm going to pick five. Yeah I talked myself into it then six because I love the twists. And then, I'll go for three. Okay. Three. I like that it's again, I should just preface I love all of these movies.
01;12;28;17 - 01;12;59;17
So when I rank them, I'm like, ranking them. They're all number one. Scream three six of except for you hate the opening. Yeah, except for fucking. No kidding. Scream three. I love that it starts in a car. I love that we have car and I. But there is something that feels very undercooked in three. So opening like I even heard, like they had cut a bunch of stuff out of scream three, his opening where, you know, his girlfriend's name is Christine.
01;12;59;17 - 01;13;20;14
They were going to do a whole conversation referencing John Carpenter's Christine and the fact he's in a car. I was like, why would you cut that? Like, I felt like substance was cut out of the opening. Like, do you see movie nerdiness was cut out? And I think to its detriment. Yeah. So I'm sorry, screw your fun. But yeah.
01;13;20;16 - 01;13;53;20
All right, let's hear it. Okay, so, like I said, hot take not for Danielle or maybe for Zach. I actually prefer who's opening. One I think is unique because they don't they don't use to call it all. And I also find it more emotionally, tragic because the Jada Pinkett character, you know, is going through a sea of emotions when she's murdered because she doesn't she's didn't get a phone call.
01;13;53;20 - 01;14;10;16
She has no context for why she's being stabbed. She just doesn't want to be there. She doesn't even want to be there. She didn't want to see this movie. She wanted to watch the Sandra Bullock movie. Julia Roberts is playing on straight. Exactly. I know that Julia Roberts. Sandra Bullock. Yeah, there's a scene under her for her last dying.
01;14;10;17 - 01;14;38;02
Her last thought is that her boyfriend just took her to this scary movie that she didn't want to go to, and he just murdered her in front of everybody. Right? I find that to be particularly, like, like a double layer of tragedy there. And I just find it more unique as a set piece, but, but that being said, I'm talking about, like, a nose hair more than the other one, so I'll say two, one and a younger person's nose hair before they've started outgrowing any of the stuff.
01;14;38;06 - 01;15;08;23
Baby hair for baby here will curl. Yeah. So I say two one. I'm going to go. I'm going to go five for third place. I'm not. I'm like, yep, correct. And then you'll like, how many is that? So that's two. One. And we don't judge here. I think I'm going to go.
01;15;08;25 - 01;15;36;02
I'm going to go. I know it's time to go fix that. You think it's very unique. It's it's a interesting take. We get there from the elements added to it. That this make across the other one, you almost get two openings in one in a way, which is really fun. Yes. Is still and then I think three, three and honestly, Zach, I'm sorry, I feel like four is objectively the one that we just don't care about the people that are in it.
01;15;36;04 - 01;16;02;21
So I know I, I totally get where you guys are coming from. It's cool, but I think like, when I was like, starting my ranking by saying that, like, you guys are like hardcore hardcore scream fans. I love the series, but it's just like fun for me. Like. And so I don't think about it that much, but, like, it makes sense why you guys just take on it.
01;16;02;24 - 01;16;19;16
I just like, I'm not a fucking nerd like you, just like, oh, I will say, when you saw for in theaters, like it was like, oh, this is so fun and so cool and so clever. And it is and it still is. I just think it's the one that doesn't doesn't play that way. Every time you watch it.
01;16;19;16 - 01;16;39;21
It played it that way, because it was cool, but it was different and unique. But but then on rewatch, I'm like, okay, now I know what's going to happen. So I'm not an administrator, really not invested in anybody now because I know where this is going to go. And then these people are real and this is just, you know, it really only and really hits it only really only hits.
01;16;39;21 - 01;17;09;03
Again, if you show it to somebody who's never seen it or who's never you're watching if you're watching it with them, because then you can watch their reaction. I think what they missed was, and I'm I'm stealing part of this from a podcast I listened to recently on with Gurley and Russ. They made a similar comment, but I'm going to kind of just slightly build on it, I guess where they were like the ordering is a little off because you start off watching two not s, but they're lesser known TV actors at the time.
01;17;09;05 - 01;17;32;02
And then it's like, okay. And then we go to, Kristen Bell and Anna Paquin and you're like, oh, that's the big well, you need like the big. Yeah. And then it goes back to two actors who again, are more or less or known. I almost feel like that ordering or they said this and I was like, totally agree with like the ordering was off, but I would have gone even bigger on the main, the real world.
01;17;32;02 - 01;17;51;06
Yeah. In the story, kill like throw a big name in there. Yeah. That's just to like, yeah, yeah like elevate elevate, elevate. It does feel a little bit like it elevates and then it just kind of dips and you're like, oh where are we? Who are they. What is the it's it's a cool device. The cool. Yeah. The framing device.
01;17;51;13 - 01;18;13;08
And with the reboot it makes sense like the referencing that. So it's not it's not. There's nothing bad about it. I just I find that what I love about scream cold open is the steak and the, the emotional terror that's happening. And you just don't get it there. It's more just fun for play and not like, yeah, it's not intense or scary.
01;18;13;08 - 01;18;33;28
And the other ones have like tension throughout that process. There's a build to it. And here it's just kind of like, okay, gimmick after gimmick after gimmick, like wink wink. The satire is there. But terrorism, they could have they could have honestly fixed that so easily and kept everything the same. If it was just that either Marnie or Trudy was in the friend group.
01;18;34;00 - 01;19;00;16
Yeah. So then it's like, yeah, well, guys, someone just killed our close friend and oh my God, like, we may be in the mix. It just feel a little left field and it's fine. It's not. Again, like it's. So Tatum is about to get get to stay there. And I'm curious because is there a basement in this house I don't think there is.
01;19;00;16 - 01;19;34;00
Or is there. No there is because in scream five they introduce it okay. So so it's around five. They go down to the basement. Oh okay. You're right. Because there was a moment where when, when Matthew Lillard when Stu says he's going to go get beers and this is, this is after this scene. So and I was like, wait, is this a moment where they kind of told you because he would have seen her, you know, like so he would have he was like, I'll right, I'm going to go get more beers.
01;19;34;03 - 01;19;57;07
He would have seen the body. Yeah. All gory on the which is such good. That is good writing because I feel like a great whodunit is never lying to the audience or like denying them information. They're just maybe focusing on a different character. So he's never like, avoiding like, oh, we can't know because that's such, oh, that is so smart.
01;19;57;07 - 01;20;14;15
I never, ever thought about it. It's like, if he would have gone into the garage and he would have seen, he would have seen this bloody work right there. And of course, we're not in the making. It's not about it has an audience. Yeah, yeah. But so smart.
01;20;14;18 - 01;20;25;22
So this has to be Billy. Right. Because Stu's hosting. Billy shows up later. That's right. We showed up later.
01;20;25;25 - 01;20;31;29
And there is something that I noticed,
01;20;32;02 - 01;20;37;20
Oh now I'm starting to question.
01;20;37;23 - 01;20;58;10
It's funny, I've been talking so much I'm not like focusing on like the details. I, I remember thinking that it's, it's Billy does the single arm in the air when he stabs where Stu does the two hands in the air. So Stu, I think, is the one who kills him. Hembree. Because he does the two arms and then.
01;20;58;12 - 01;21;27;08
Yeah, I think it's at Sydney's house earlier. It's the two arms. Yeah. Because that would open up the. That would clear up Billy. Yeah. To say like no he really wasn't there. Maybe he made a phone call but it was not him there also Scream Queens I wish we had more of because I felt like Sarah Michelle Gellar was like top tier, like probably more interesting than Julie thing.
01;21;27;11 - 01;22;01;28
And I noticed it last summer and 100% I know no shade to yeah no journal. Yeah you it but and then she so good in her one scene on screen two I was like why didn't she like what needs to get more screen point of you was really good. But it's probably just Buffy. She's probably literally just so busy with Buffy that again, like listeners, if you're maybe you weren't around in the 90s, I don't know, like but at the time when Buffy came out a year later, I guess.
01;22;01;28 - 01;22;30;05
No. I'm sorry. Yeah. A year later, we get I. I Know What You Did Last Summer and scream two, both starring SMG, who was also starring in, I Want to Say, season 2 or 3 of Buffy. So she was at such a height in her career. I mean, it's like hard to describe. Like it was crazy. I love her and some, like, even Cruel Intentions, like, that's another one that I just watched it for the first time since I was a kid the other day, and oh really?
01;22;30;05 - 01;23;06;16
She's. Oh goodness. I have probably seen that 80 times. Like it's oh my god. Incredible. Yeah. Really good. And also like wild. It's like, wait, oh it's darker than I thought it would be. You want to see what your sister has to do, right. Or something like okay. Speaking of spoof movies, in Not Another Teen movie, they spoof Cruel Intentions and in Cruel Intentions they're they're siblings, but through marriage, like, they're, you know, in that movie, he's like, if, you know, if you lose the bet, you have to sleep with me.
01;23;06;16 - 01;23;27;26
It's like, I'm your brother. And she's like, only my blood. Only my blood is like, well, yeah, that was a wild that was a wild time. So crazy. The that was 99, right? That was a year before scream three. It was either 99 or 2000. But yes, it was right there in that era like that, the tail in the 90s or early.
01;23;27;28 - 01;23;53;00
Yeah. Yeah. You could have never made that movie after 2000. There was something very end of a decade era, remember, we were so deprived as kids because everything was suggested. You know, there's so much like explicit innuendo in like, spicy language, but not a lot of it. Is nudity really. Because you think of that, like Cruel Intentions was like, a lot.
01;23;53;00 - 01;24;21;16
It made a lot of, young gay men gay, you know, like, because the same I, I forgot that it was my gay awakening because Ryan Philippe was just like, wait. Oh, I remember the exact moment I was like, I get it. Okay. So I think that that I will say, I think we can, but maybe you can also also attest to this, that we were sort of warmed up to him being the sexual awakening from, yeah, his shower scene.
01;24;21;16 - 01;24;43;23
And I know you did less. Yeah. Yeah. Well right. Because you, you get. Yeah. You get it's like oh yeah. You get teased in I know what you did last summer, but then you get the meal and Cruel Intentions and you're like, oh, okay. So I feel like, yeah, there was a but the, the idea though, like there was that movie was so irreverent at the time or provocative at the time.
01;24;43;26 - 01;25;03;28
Like when Sarah Michelle Gellar kisses Selma Blair and you're like, like we were. It was such a big deal, like culturally, culturally. And now that is so tame by comparison to, like, Eat It rivalry or whatever else is like, yeah, but it's have now. It's like kids. You have no idea how deprived we were as kids. No we don't we don't have the things you have.
01;25;03;28 - 01;25;36;00
We thought it was juicier than it was. Than it was. You watch it, they're like, yeah, this is which are losing your mind over. And I'm like, it was. She just looked at her. Yeah, but it was greasy. Do you see how she looked at her? Exactly. Yeah. I don't know how she could trust. And you could trust anyone ever again after this, because truly, the way he emotionally manipulated her in, like, especially in the scene, like she's finally doing this, she's finally comfortable with the idea of doing this.
01;25;36;00 - 01;26;04;24
He's gotten her to let her guard down and be vulnerable and be open and whatever. And all the while, it's all just a play. I'm very curious what? Yeah, Mark's personality's going to be in scream seven. That's what I really is. What is it? What is it about him? That's. Yeah. I was like, I hope they're like botched that I hope there's good like dynamic between them because I don't want him to just be there because they're like, well, we have to make you a character because we said they can't just be like, oh, he's a cop.
01;26;04;24 - 01;26;19;16
Because Sydney would never just settle on that. She'd be like, no way. He could be a dirty cop. He could be this. You know, it also be interesting if he doesn't, she doesn't trust him. That much. It'd be kind of interesting if there's still, like, a station, like they like. She loves him like. Babe, when are you going to let me in?
01;26;19;21 - 01;26;45;19
Like, when are you going to let me? Yeah, like it's me. It's me, your husband. Like, you know, like, however, I could argue, I could see an argument made for the fact of what Derek's influence had on her from scream two because she didn't trust him. And then he ended up having to pay the price for it. So maybe there is this sort of like she juggles that emotional kind of weight.
01;26;45;21 - 01;27;10;09
Yeah. Like, you know, in not trusting Derek. Oh God, I'm not going a victim blame Sidney Prescott here. You, me. But like in not trusting him, Mickey was going to kill him regardless, you know? Yeah, but it's unfortunate that the tragedy was she didn't trust him until it was too late. So maybe that also holds because in scream three, she literally she still has the Greek letters that Derek gave her.
01;27;10;09 - 01;27;38;00
So like that still holds some residents. That's true. But you gotta allow yourself to trust again. If someone's here, baby, maybe there's they're not a psycho killer. It's maybe, I have a good feeling, but I hope they really dig into that with her and pay him 2.0. The new Tatum, her daughter, in scream seven. Because, I mean, I think this is like not being talked about enough.
01;27;38;02 - 01;27;59;25
Maybe it is. Maybe it's just me in my head, but like, Sidney's a mom. That's a big the whole point of this franchise is about the sins of her mother. And yeah, like, that's the whole precedent for everything that happens. And now Sidney is that type of character. This is going to be my I hope they go, oh, I hope they just swing for the fences.
01;27;59;25 - 01;28;38;24
I hope that lands. I hope stream seven is so fucking weird. I hope the I hope they're supernatural. Make it one that would be like, I'm just so tired of it being like some person that a random process. But I think the thing is, is like scream three kind of played with the concept of supernatural. Like, I feel like that's the only place the scream franchise will go in terms of supernatural, where it's like, again, very meta and it's ghosts, but it's not literally ghosts, it's the ghosts of the past and yada yada yada.
01;28;38;26 - 01;29;01;12
Oh yeah. Okay, read the theory. Yeah, I think this is the moment it's Lauren and I literally the same thoughts we have. This is a great opportunity. So this is where you were. This is what you were setting at the beginning. It should also be said really quickly, just to kind of tie it into scream seven specifically, if you notice Gayle's outfit here with the red little shirt.
01;29;01;12 - 01;29;27;17
Yeah, the leopard print. That's her outfit, at least in the promo materials for scream seven. So yeah, a little like she has like, a leopard, like. Yes, red blazer with their leopard kind of interior, brown tan things that. Okay. So. Yeah. So. All right, so I had an idea you were referring to the T TCM. Yeah. The TCM.
01;29;27;23 - 01;29;48;14
Okay. Yes. Do we want to preface why that's relevant, or is that all part of your. Yeah. What do you got? I will say, okay. Zack, this is this is, like, specifically for you, and everyone listening to. Of course, but, but mostly for me is Danny. We already. Lauren like, eat out of it. We were like, oh, my God.
01;29;48;14 - 01;30;12;24
Perfect. Like just texting each other like, this is it, this isn't it. What else is it going to be like? Well, it kind of like, further confirms my idea that whoever do, whoever the killer is, whoever the killers are, whether it's definitively Stu or not, I don't think I. I lean towards it not being, but their teasing that is clearly in the marketing.
01;30;12;24 - 01;30;37;03
It's part of it. He's he's doing the campaigning and everything, but they've started using, Texas Chainsaw references to kind of like, you know, they made that new poster where it's in the form of text. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's playing on the marquee in the town, in the trailers, playing in the marquee on the thing. And I'm like, I feel like there's a weird tie here and if it's loose, you know.
01;30;37;05 - 01;31;18;12
But the idea that, like, if you think about Leatherface, like, he kills his victims, but then he wears their high like their face. Yeah, they like he, you know, he goes around masquerading as the victims, killing other people with the face of the, like the boyfriend of the person that they just killed. You know, like. Sure. And if you think about that in a symbolic sense, if whoever this is is pretending to be you, it's kind of like you're taking the ghost of the past and you, you're, you know, you're kind of, in that way, using all of the people that they're bringing back, that we're using the a, I yeah, that's the theory
01;31;18;12 - 01;31;37;26
is, like a lot of people are saying, like, I seem like, what is what are we commenting on now? What is the think. Yeah. No. He said we are killers, you know, as a, as a, as a decoy with Sydney, with Sydney like you got, you got the oh the, the killer in the third one. Sorry. Roman.
01;31;37;28 - 01;32;08;05
Roman Roman's coming back. Stu's coming back. All these people do. He's coming back. Do. He's coming back. Who are they? And they could be using Dewey just to, like, go against Gail. Like, maybe when they talk to Gail, that's what. That's what they use in this. Just to totally break them down. Like, imagine Gail getting a call from Dewey, which means, again, it's kind of like elevating and evolving the technology from three in a way that actually makes sense, because we've seen what I like this technology can do.
01;32;08;05 - 01;32;26;15
And and, even then, you won't believe what they're seeing. It's not you know, it's kind of like it's all it's all made up. I can't tell you how many times people share AI things with me. I'm like, this is not real. And I can say, you don't know this. Yeah, that's Harry's meme. You know, I can see it a mile away like him sometimes it's a little bit harder.
01;32;26;16 - 01;32;51;17
They are getting better at it. But I will say if I look at it closely enough, I'm like, this is fake, you know, like so yeah, we but we also consume. We have a little bit more media literacy than the general public. But so I feel like that's a cool, a clever way to tie in, like the way that techno terror has kind of been, you know, you know, even in our it's like Ghostface wearing these masks, but he's wearing like colors.
01;32;51;21 - 01;33;15;19
So I can see them using skew, like maybe in the phone, like he's calling in, there's the face of Matthew Lillard. So he is in the movie. But he they're using you know what I mean. Like yeah. So this is where I built on this theory. There's obviously been a lot of conversations about is Stu coming back like to the point that scream fans are like give it up.
01;33;15;19 - 01;33;40;20
Like stop. You can't start every movie saying baby, survive. Yeah, yeah. A couple things. Correct me if I'm wrong. Well, I guess Charlie is. Yeah. He's one of like the few Ghostface who was like, first of all was not shot in the head. And that's such like a talking point in this franchise. Like shoot them in the head and he's not definitively dead.
01;33;40;22 - 01;34;08;10
You know, you never see the body, so to speak. You do see him get crushed by the TV, but okay, but it's just a TV, you know what I mean? Like, we've seen Chad Meeks. Yeah, it was Chad Meeks. Martin get stabbed 72,000 times in a single scene. Like, what's twice? People forget the like he gets stabbed by two Ghostface simultaneously, and it's so.
01;34;08;10 - 01;34;30;17
And it's, like, upsetting because you're watching someone die. How many times to find out that they're not. Yeah. So he gives like, the look like, let me go. I was so, so dying. There's no way this is I think they missed a really a moment to make that a moment. Because it is a moment. It's an emotional moment that you don't want to see him go.
01;34;30;17 - 01;34;50;18
Chad's such a great. Just talk about finally should have done it because it would hurt. It would sting. That would have been the deal of that one. So I feel like I could not agree more with you. Yeah, I would have. He does kind of have the Dewey mantle now of like he will never die. But Mindy also does.
01;34;50;20 - 01;35;24;13
Which is great. So Ghostface in this scene I definitely think it's Billy. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's really, Billy behind. No, but yeah, it's during skeet. I gotta ask you that. Talk about the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Yes. No, but I was thinking if they do decide. Okay, we are going to have Stu Macher alive in this, if only to finally tell the audience.
01;35;24;13 - 01;35;46;29
Okay, fine. He was alive. We're going to kill him definitively. We'll make this the Stu movie. And maybe, who knows? He's got a cult following. Whatever. Whatever the reveal is. Because I would assume he's not working alone. It did make me think another Texas Chainsaw Massacre reference could be that they treat him almost like the grandpa character, where he is kind of an invalid.
01;35;47;01 - 01;36;12;22
And then in the end, after the killers are revealed, there's another reveal and it's Stu and he's like, he's on hold. Yeah, he can't do like a modern version, not literal interpretation, but a modern version of the grandpa scene where he's like, trying to kill maybe either Sidney or Tatum, and it's like he just. Maybe it's Sydney, like he does, like sucking on her finger.
01;36;12;22 - 01;36;34;07
Fucking. Yeah. Like it's just gross. Like he just wants to fucking kill Sidney. After 30 years, he's finally going to be able to. They finally, he finally accrued this cult following to allow him to do it. And it's like, oh, but it's also a Texas Chainsaw Massacre reference. Like, yeah, almost perfectly. And he's in a wheelchair and he's like, maybe nonverbal.
01;36;34;09 - 01;36;52;23
I think. I feel like there's something there that is a bold idea and I do love it. Yeah. It's that's the thing I want it to be. It's so easy to shoot some people are Earnhardt Jr. Some people are injured, but. Oh, and he's a ghost also, he's a ghost. Yeah. He's like, wait, why is my ghost in a wheelchair?
01;36;52;23 - 01;37;14;10
I can't talk, what do you mean? And I also see them it being very similar to, like, the the crazy fan theory that he is alive, you know, the fan base that they're commenting on, they're keeping still alive in that way, you know what I mean? I kind of like zooming him by constantly coming up with a reason for why he didn't survive and what have you.
01;37;14;10 - 01;37;32;26
And that could be how to kill you, like, spiritually. Yeah, something like that. There's, there's there's things there. I don't just want it to be stupid. That would be stupid if it was. Just do it. He's just running around. If it is, it has. Yeah, exactly. There has to be some layer to it. That is so. Yeah. My.
01;37;32;26 - 01;37;51;26
Okay. We always say in the podcast, like we're not here to criticize. Movies are hard to make. There's a million people making decisions. I totally get it. There is so much about scream six I love even when it comes to the reveal. Like, there I again, I'm obsessed with these movies. It's so sad. Like, I just I can't have anything bad to say.
01;37;51;28 - 01;38;16;07
My only real criticism is that the finale, the reveal, leaves me wanting you know, I want it felt a little like, okay, I get it. It's kind of you could argue it's like it's the scream to reveal of the new era. I guess. Revenge. Yeah. Okay, I get it. Yeah, but it does. You know, there's a promise. Like you mentioned Lauren earlier.
01;38;16;07 - 01;38;38;05
Like that opening scene promises something so wild and then that it is inevitably steals a little. Yeah. What? Why didn't you do that? Why did you introduce this idea? And then. Yeah, do that because otherwise. So I hope this one takes a swing. I hope just go for the fences. Commit to the bit. Yeah. You know, like even scream five.
01;38;38;06 - 01;39;05;10
You could argue like their motive is so weird and specific, but I that's why I love it. You know, it's just so, like you hate these people, but they commit to it and it makes it so fun. And then of course, you have Mikey Madison, and, it is insane. The news that Mikey Madison is an Oscar winner and Laurie Metcalf is not great like she's a nominee, though, right?
01;39;05;12 - 01;39;22;17
There's. Yes, that's what I'm saying. You should have won that year. But I'm just saying, like, that's it is bizarre. Oh, yeah. Lady. Lady. No, not the one said Lady Hawk. You know Lady Hawks, if you were like, if we never if we, if we were just from a time loop, we came here and into this time from the past or something.
01;39;22;17 - 01;39;41;28
And I'm like, here are in a sea of Ghostface killers. Who do you think has an Oscar between them? You would not pick Mikey Madison, but I'm not saying it didn't deserve it for Nora. I'm just saying it's. No, it's bizarre. It's Laurie fucking Metcalf. Yes. Yeah, it's Laurie Metcalf, but, you know, I was just thinking about this recently.
01;39;41;28 - 01;40;13;24
I think I mentioned it in my, like, letter box reviews or something where I'm happy with all of the Ghostface reveals. It all is great. But imagine if you're watching part three and Lance Henriksen is revealed as Ghostface or in scream two. David Warner is revealed as Ghostface working with Laurie Metcalf. It's a little moments where, yeah, cool, it'll never be, but it's pretty cool.
01;40;13;26 - 01;41;00;27
It's pretty cool. We should use AI technology to know. Yeah, exactly. But it makes sense. AI is definitely a talking point. People have strong feelings one way or the other, so and it just seems like a natural fit to weave into the story this time around, especially with the technology. The thing is, is these movies are so great when they're commenting on the current culture and the benefit of one, two and three and even four maybe is that they're commenting on very specific movie and genre things like the obviously scream is this kind of general horror if sequels, trilogies, remakes, scream five works because time passed, because of the whole reboot.
01;41;01;00 - 01;41;19;23
Like I'm sorry prequel like legacy sequel thing. Scream six, I think is where we're like, wait, what are we talking about here? Like, what is the commentary? They, you know, they mentioned franchises, but I'm like, I don't know if it lands. So these movies do benefit from time passing a little bit. Yeah. They so then it makes you wonder.
01;41;20;00 - 01;41;42;16
But I think scream seven can benefit from that conversation I think yeah. If it's not for time it's for relevancy. And I think the most relevant thing that people are sort of specifically with, like in the film industry, is artificial intelligence, you know. Yeah, I think the biggest draw too, though, for seven just is probably the return of the gamble.
01;41;42;16 - 01;42;00;24
I guess, forgetting she's gone for a whole one whole movie, you know, like that's so crazy. It's like, oh, you didn't get to see that much, but it is going to be fun. You do miss her, though. You do. Mr. Green. Six is a blast, but it is hard. Not being there does change the vibe of it in general.
01;42;00;24 - 01;42;21;01
They are they. They compensate for it in ways you like the for for more fleshed out. They have more time to do so. And Gale is great in it. Somehow, even though she has so much to do, she is underutilized, I think. But yeah, she is glad that she gets that. Makes it worth the whole the whole. Yeah, yeah.
01;42;21;03 - 01;42;40;14
And she does. And we were talking earlier about, scream. What's the one where oh scream four where you were like, oh, you were on your seat because you were like, this is where they're going to kill Sidney. Yes. And you were just like, oh my God, that's. You feel that way in six. Yeah. Which is like, you're like, this is it.
01;42;40;14 - 01;43;07;06
She's got it. I was like, oh shit. They're just they kill Dewey in five. They're going to kill Gail in this one. Yeah. And then we're probably going to they're they're probably going to cut a deal with Neve Campbell for seven and the like. What does that mean. Are they going to kill her there? I feel like they're going to have a hard time because I've talked about this at length with so many forms, and they're like, the reason they don't kill Gail is because she's such an integral part of the investigative aspect of scream.
01;43;07;09 - 01;43;26;14
In terms of why? Because if you think about it like police like Dewey and and now like got rid of doing so like it's like. And they haven't established a substitute for her. No. Like there's no sassy queen like, you mean somebody who's like, you can't just introduce them in the movie. Then she dies in and then they take over as her.
01;43;26;16 - 01;43;55;05
But he's like, yeah. Who's who's gonna do the, you know, who's going to get the the little tidbit Parker post if and what is it? It's Jennifer Tilly. Jolie Tilly. Yeah. Oh yeah. Angelina is the Sydney and that they love Danish Lina Jolie and script. The two characters are named Yeah. First of all, again, she could be alive because she only got stabbed a few times.
01;43;55;05 - 01;44;15;18
Was thrown through a window. I would die if they brought. Yes. Why are people hiding? I would be like, yeah. No, we know they're. They're all the same. Like hospital that Susan, it's the same scream. Yeah. We go there and it's just a sea of all of the people we theorized about being alive is like, you know, we have this faculty.
01;44;15;21 - 01;44;35;11
That's funny. I do worry, like, who's going to, like, who's the emotional pill in I mean, this to or can I say why? This isn't a spoiler? Because this is just, like a real life thing, and it. I don't think it holds much weight, but can I tell you, I think almost. No. Sydney will never die.
01;44;35;11 - 01;45;01;07
It's not like something was spoiled to me, I promise. Yeah, it's just something that Campbell said. Yeah, she said she, you know, she kind of. When she was younger, she wasn't as she didn't appreciate sort of how significant these movies are and the character and whatnot. And she said when she started going to conventions and meetups, she would meet people who would be like, you know, Sydney, the survivor.
01;45;01;09 - 01;45;23;17
Yeah, the the spirit of Sydney, like, got me through this and this. And she said it really like changed my perspective. And like she takes it very seriously now because she's like I acknowledge that this movie has a weight and an importance for people in ways that I maybe don't understand. And she said, and I wish I could find the interview, but she said, I won't do these movies if they kill Sydney.
01;45;23;19 - 01;45;47;13
Yeah. She's like, I basically. So I was like, oh, concert? Is that kind of like confirmation? Like again, like anything can change. She can even survive. I can't die, I want to do the movie is killer. Yeah. She's good. She said if I die, that's it. But however, if ever there was a movie to kill Sydney, it would be because she's protecting her daughter.
01;45;47;16 - 01;46;08;17
Yeah, that would make scares me because it's still a survivor element. It's like it's still a hero moment, I think, though. Maybe. Do we got the hero moment? No more hero moments like that feel like we could lose. I think three things I think we could lose and I would. I would say we're going to lose either a mixed twin I lean towards.
01;46;08;19 - 01;46;37;20
I lean towards Chad as I think towards Mindy. We'll see that. Yeah, I feel like Chad, his has done the. Do we think he's gotten stabbed in times in like, Just kidding. I'm not dead. This is the third one. So now it's time to like off him. You know, he's finally, you know, kicks it in. Then that would leave Mindy, who obviously serves more of a like as she's more useful in that regard in terms of like, knowing more.
01;46;37;22 - 01;46;53;04
But I agree with you. It could be Mindy. That would be that could do a little. I also like not to cut you off, but I almost feel like because she is that. But maybe again, maybe they already did that because they did it with Randy where he was the. Yeah, he had all the information and then they killed him.
01;46;53;07 - 01;47;20;15
So maybe by doing Mindy just sort of repeating it. My thing with Chad is he's such a subversive character. He's literally named Chad. He's a jock, but he's so sweet and he's, like, such a softie. Yeah, that I could see him kind of trying to live up to Mindy's potential, like. Yeah, and scream five. He's like, yeah, I forget what he says, but he's kind of agreeing with Mindy and he's like, you know, she makes a good point.
01;47;20;17 - 01;47;40;12
So it's like he understands that he just doesn't know it as well as she does. Yeah. Again, I digress. Yeah. And then I think Gail is again, like I said, she's such an integral part to the like the like the investigative aspect. Like it's still all these are murder mystery. They're all Scooby Doo for adults. Yeah. You know what I mean?
01;47;40;12 - 01;47;58;25
Like, so there's that aspect of it. And the other ones aren't normally the ones finding these clues. It's Gail, bring it to them and then them going along with her and Cindy's not just, but she's the emotional center of it. All right. So I feel like you kind of need Gail still, but it would be interesting if she was gone.
01;47;59;02 - 01;48;29;11
But then, like you said, I like I agree with you about the Sidney and John thing is they say they have greenlit remade. So what does that mean? But what does that make? Yeah, it's like who's in it? I also am curious if the scene we're seeing in the trailer with the flames or the fire in the house and the whatever, if that's actually the closing scene and not the opening scene, that would be kind of cool, because then you go, space burns the house down.
01;48;29;11 - 01;48;58;16
Close credits leave us on a cliffhanger for the first time, you know? And then we're all excited and giddy about what happened. And like, we don't know. You know, that would be kind of it might piss people off, but I think it would be cool because it would not be expected. I know that's the thing is, like, you know, in scream two, Randy says something about like, the difference between a trilogy and a sequel, and it's that it was planned like it's not technically a sequel because it's a planned trilogy.
01;48;58;18 - 01;49;23;23
So they really do have something planned for this. I can see it would be really fun to get a legit, what did you say? Where? It's like an open ended ending. Yeah. Like we are continuing this story. Or will one go space or two go space? Or however many there are. And then we want to leave. I want to give them like one of them that we didn't unmask.
01;49;23;23 - 01;49;48;13
Yes. You know, that would be kind of hard. That'd be kind of fun. It would be so fun to find out that, like, I mean, this is a bad example, but like in this one where it's like, who is in the bathroom? And then obviously it's too late now. But like if in scream two you found out, oh, like, hey, I was the guy in the bathroom that wasn't being used to had I thought I turned off my I have my whenever I'm gonna lose everything here.
01;49;48;14 - 01;50;16;09
Yeah. If I do like a peace sign, it does like, oh, fireworks and oh, does it. Oh, it's really annoying. Fun. But yeah. Oh, yeah. There it is. Now I'm in a concert. Oh, let's see this. This is terrible commentary conversation. Yeah. Oh, I feel like I have sequel. It's also interesting that Stu is the one everyone wants to exhume from the grave, because I'm like, there's so many people that also you could make a case for not.
01;50;16;12 - 01;50;43;25
But that's the one. Everyone's like putting all their eggs in. It's like I'm like, okay, well what about like you said, what about Roman? What about, Mickey the Mickey or the Mickey has one of the dumbest, but also one of my favorite motives. It's one of the most original and, relevant, I guess. Like, again, we talked about, like, these movies being very zeitgeisty.
01;50;43;28 - 01;51;08;07
Yeah, the early to mid 90s were all about the trial. Like, that really was a thing. Like people like the O.J. Simpson trial, like that changed everything in terms of, like how we watch television and how we consume reality, and then we add this drama element to it in the media. It was definitely a commentary on, like, how we consume violence and in media and all of that.
01;51;08;07 - 01;51;31;15
So which is kind of been lost a little bit over the years, you know, and, and now we're so desensitized to it. There should be something about that. The way that people that would be literally getting murdered on the news now and kids and seeing people get murdered on on screen, and world I just drugs to I like scream when it's saying something because it's okay to say something.
01;51;31;18 - 01;51;53;29
It's it doesn't have to be totally like it doesn't have to commit totally. And like, have this serious take away at the end of it. But because it's funny, so many horror movies are criticized for being and not criticized, but they're just acknowledged, or there's an awareness that they are very much locked in a time period. And some people like to make movies that feel timeless.
01;51;54;01 - 01;52;27;05
Scream movies, in my opinion, are at their best when they are not timeless. Like, this is 1996. Yeah. You know, oh. Scream three is 2000. That is so post Columbine horror movie. Bloodless, kind of silly. We're sort of. We haven't quite hit 2001 yet. The World Trade Center is still there. We're not totally broken, but we are a little we're definitely not desensitized because yeah, we can it's a non handle at these that these are.
01;52;27;06 - 01;52;59;02
Yeah that lack of a particular moment in time. Yeah. And it's it's fun to go back and think about what was going on at that point in time by watching it rather than constantly trying to like you said, I wonder too, like, I mean, now in this in this current climate, I'm trying to think what what's happening in horror movies specifically that we haven't touched ground on in terms of, if anything, I would argue like there being, again, this might be empty calories of comment.
01;52;59;09 - 01;53;17;06
And I don't mean to be like phishing for something, but because horror movies have had a place in like the Oscars, just not that much, you know? But like this year we have how many movies and best picture that are we have a Dracula, merlot, Dracula, but vampire movie and a Frankenstein movie in Best Picture in the same year.
01;53;17;08 - 01;53;38;01
There is like no an appreciation for it. However, they did kind of touch on elevated horror, which that's not to say it's the same thing, but like, there's something of like how general audiences consume horror compared to how horror was sort of also, you know, you, you know, like not thinking about I don't know if you really touched roots about like, oh, it's important.
01;53;38;01 - 01;54;00;24
Now we're talking about real interviews like Get Out's about, you know, cultural appropriation and, and racism. Like, you know, the substance is about objectification of women, you know, like we're actually, like, making message movies through it. And I feel like even centers, I think it will be very cool. And I think it has the momentum right now, even though one battles that to sweep.
01;54;00;27 - 01;54;22;20
I really think the Oscars, if they meet the moment right now, the way they did with like moonlight, where La La Land was probably what was going to win. And then Trump politics happened in Hollywood, kind of, you know, I know we want to be on the right side of history and have a moment to talk about a subject that, you know what I mean?
01;54;22;20 - 01;54;51;10
That this administration never will. And so moonlight became important because of that. That win becomes important in 2016. Right. That was yeah. The year like the year. Yeah. So and now I feel like if that won that, that's cool. That's if you're winner because it's a horror film directed by a black director, written by a black man, starring in almost all black stars.
01;54;51;12 - 01;55;14;29
Like that would just be a cool cultural touchstone and Oscar history for all the cool stuff. Yeah, but also it being a horror movie, you know, would say, because when you give let PTA get his Oscar, he deserves it. Yeah, yeah. Director centers could I was thinking about this recently too, because we're like, yeah, I mean centers I think is still going to get screenplay.
01;55;14;29 - 01;55;34;01
It's going to get. Yeah. Score. Yeah. It's going to get maybe it was a production design or maybe costume like something kind of technical just to give it because they're gonna want it to walk home with awards because it's just one of those movies that is so of the time, like, yeah, in five years it'll be like, how?
01;55;34;06 - 01;55;49;23
Like, the first movie that like Goodfellas, like it only won like one Oscar. And you look back, you're like, how do we not give it? I think we're becoming the academy voters are becoming a little bit more, aware of that. Yeah. Of, like, you didn't even win Best Picture. What do you mean? It don't win Best Picture.
01;55;49;24 - 01;56;12;16
Like, it's it's like. And it came out at the time that it came out and like. Yeah, it's just it's insane. The idea of, like, monsters infiltrating this space and destroying it. And people like, rising up against the horror, like it's so relevant. And I feel like directors in the bad, like it's definitely PETA's time. He's overdue for it in many ways.
01;56;12;16 - 01;56;39;12
And I'm not mad at that. It would be cool if Ryan were there because he would be very first. He'd be the first. He's only seven black actor, black directors who've ever been nominated. He would be the first. So he'd be the Halle Berry of directors. Where the oh, the only black person to ever win Best Director. And that would be the a worthy candidate for it, you know, like, but do you have a preference for which picture versus director?
01;56;39;12 - 01;57;09;28
If it had to be split? I think director would mean more, but I think that the way it's going to go is it I if by the way, that's more likely, I should say is that it will probably win Best Picture on a as an upset like a surprise upset and then he yeah. And then and then he's there in a lot of the other craft departments will probably go there too, with the exception of like, you know, centers could really surprise because it had such a horrible midterms and and then one battle.
01;57;10;01 - 01;57;28;23
Yeah, one battle kind of like took the heat, but then also like it kept winning a bunch. So maybe people are a little like okay, I want to. Yeah. We kind of Borda wasn't centers pretty great. Yeah. Like and then they rereleased Cintas recently and and here's that song. Here's that, here's that Moby song.
01;57;28;25 - 01;57;54;04
Moby Dick, Moby Dick. That's not what we think. So thank you for letting us indulge. Thank you so much of the audio. I, I can't believe already at the end of the movie, I feel like we just started this conversation. Yeah. Yeah. This is been our official scream seven commentary.
01;57;54;07 - 01;58;13;29
To be fair, I don't think we said one thing about this movie. We we we made some exactly three things about it. But over in the Food Network, our conversation would not exist without this movie if it's sunny. But it's the catalyst for all conversations about the amount of times I was almost like I should probably take a bathroom break here.
01;58;13;29 - 01;58;48;02
And now it's like, oh, we're in the credits. Yeah, you guys, that was scream seven. Okay, so since we're those scream seven, okay. We've ranked the openings. Now you need to. And we don't have much time after the closing. Yeah, character cards, the character, and they, they the, you know, not just the character cards, but the with the song, so.
01;58;48;02 - 01;58;51;01
Okay.
01;58;51;03 - 01;59;03;28
Okay. For me, I'm just gonna let's just, let's just do our top three, one five.
01;59;04;00 - 01;59;06;20
Two.
01;59;06;22 - 01;59;35;03
Okay. Yeah. I'm right there with you. Yeah, I agree five five. It's so it's so close to one for me in terms like it's so close to overtaking. Six is Demi Lovato, which is not a bad, like, modern song, but I'm going to go ahead. No. Yeah. It's not bad. And I'm glad you I'm glad. For example, like, I don't know, my hope.
01;59;35;05 - 02;00;02;03
I'm not a fan. I don't I'm not, not a fan. I just don't know them that well. But like there's that band Ice nine Kills that's been heavily mentioned in a lot of specific scream marketing. And I know there's a huge fan base that loves that band, and it's very like hard, heavy, like rock metal. Yeah, I hope they have a song in this in the credits to give that part of the fan base, that type of style, because scream six had that type of and this one had.
02;00;02;03 - 02;00;30;24
I hope we cover all of it. So I'm going to say one one, two five. They're my three. But what I'm curious about is do you think the new thing that these the writers and the filmmakers that go into this, like, obviously the scream fandom is insane. Obviously we are we are clinically and saying that testament that the way that we are obsessed about this clinic and the trailer for scream seven, yeah, we're patients.
02;00;30;24 - 02;00;48;27
They're dressed. Do you think, though, that they think about all this shit that we think about, or do you think it's like they're like, whatever, it's just another scream movie? Or do you think they should be like, the fans want this and we got to do the credits thing because we did it all the other. What do you think?
02;00;48;27 - 02;01;12;13
They, they think about all these things that have to be like scream hallmarks and they say like the like staples of these movies that have to do they integrate that into the decision making, or is it just like we get lucky and or whatever, if it was any other franchise or any other movie, I would say no. I honestly, genuinely do think that there is like an intentionality in terms of these very niche decisions.
02;01;12;16 - 02;01;35;12
Maybe it's not so much that it's like a hill anyone will die on, you know, where they're like, we have to have this and some studio head or exec is like, well, no, we're not. And they're like, right, fine. Well, you know, I tried. Yeah. But I do think the fact that we still do like the title card or the, the face, you know, like there's, there's, there is like an awareness like this is what it is like.
02;01;35;12 - 02;01;59;17
Yeah. Let's try maybe we do. Yeah. Like me saying, I hope they do this because it's feeding into this. I don't know. Yeah. But the fact that we're having the conversation and they're on the writers room, we're like, okay, I'm going to let you guys write it, but I'm going to give you all the ideas I would have to include in all the things you're going to remove.
02;01;59;17 - 02;02;08;06
And, you know, like that sort of thing. Like, I would love to be that person. I don't think that that role doesn't. But that's what I was.
02;02;08;08 - 02;02;32;26
Yeah, I don't know. I think it'll be it'll be I think in general DS I, I can't think of a franchise, a horror franchise that has as much conversation of leading up to it as any other. Because I really think what scream does take what it this first one established is basically that. Why? Because someone's asked like why is scream like the one?
02;02;32;28 - 02;02;55;29
Why is that the one they endure and they're just genuinely asking. Not because like they don't like it, but they just don't either. Like it seems to just exist. Like it has its own like mega fan base. And I think what differentiate because we don't really talk about, the characters say in Nightmare on Elm Street, you know, you might talk about Heather Heather Legging Camp, but you won't.
02;02;56;01 - 02;03;18;13
You can't really talk about like, oh, that one character in five, but you might yourself. But like as a collective you don't, you know like so I feel like would scream. It's like they've, they've created characters first. And I think that's the thing is they've fleshed out these people enough that we're invested in what happens to them. We're thinking about them.
02;03;18;13 - 02;03;48;02
And I think that's they just started, I mean, adding characterization that was not really a strong thing. That was incorporated into horror movies prior to. And so we care about what these people are doing. We have theories about the lives they're living off screen. You know, in, in other movies, you're like, okay, yeah, Michael's chasing whoever or so we're just like, you know, you're not really if you're invested in the moment for the movie, but not necessarily post movie.
02;03;48;04 - 02;04;17;15
And yeah, I think that's what's different. And then also, of course, the fact that Ghostface is always somewhat different and well, you said it earlier like it's the Scooby-Doo element. You are so spoiled with this franchise. You get the Scooby Doo element and then you have the return on investment where you are like, oh, well, now I want to rewatch it to pick up on these things, and you always get something new and you have these characters who have been who have sustained, you know.
02;04;17;17 - 02;04;36;20
Yeah, but God, even the dead ones like Stu is still in the conversation as well. Just thinking about do like ideas. Oh, wait, really quick. I just want to say that, you know, there's a there's a thing coming up that I want people to notice. No threats whatsoever to the Santa Rosa City School District governing board. That is so funny.
02;04;36;20 - 02;04;53;12
I have a friend who, I just only met a few years ago who lives in San Francisco. He grew up in Santa Rosa, went to that high school that was around when this happened. I think he said he had never seen these movies, but he remembers this being a big deal. And he was like, oh yeah, it was in town.
02;04;53;12 - 02;05;07;09
It was crazy. Everyone was so nuts about it. I'm like, I don't think you understand, like what this meant to me, right? But I'm talking to you, Mr. Moore. You're more important to me as a person. Yeah. I was like, oh my God. I was like, we're now best friends. I just think there's the D again. There you go.
02;05;07;09 - 02;05;30;17
Do you feel that the gusto is just don't get into the d. What? We started the D and with the D. This was this was a blast. I know that it was historic. And the conversation went 85 different directions, but I don't think I think there was some rich commentary, maybe not specifically about scream 1996, but I do think there was some good.
02;05;30;17 - 02;06;02;19
There was there's good commentary about scream 96, 97, 2000 2011 and 2022 2023, and now 2026. Yeah. And when does, scream seven come out? February 27th, 27th 27th. Okay. But I'm going to see it on the 26th with a group of people for the early screening. They have. Like, this is what's messing me up is I mean, we fly into LA.
02;06;02;21 - 02;06;27;07
So I don't know that I mentioned this already. We're going to go to see it at the theater. Okay. We're going to be flying in early on the 26th, so I still even got tickets. I can still get tickets for that night because the thought of me, I have to text you guys at, like, on the like, as we all see it, it would be insane to go 24 hours without being able to have all of what happened.
02;06;27;07 - 02;06;42;23
Yeah, it's what what everyone else is already like. Like the truth about this. So in the world. Yeah, yeah, for sure. It's living breathing and I, I have a similar issue where the only reason I'm not going to be in that same theater with you, because you did preface this as an idea, that that would have been cool.
02;06;42;23 - 02;07;01;23
The two biggest fans of scream, who we've never met personally, which is so crazy to me. Okay, well, I don't know who you are, who are like this man you met in person. He is okay to talk to him for an hour in the lobby randomly because we went to a theater at the same time is damn like, what are the odds you don't even live there?
02;07;01;23 - 02;07;20;13
You just stop there and there's Danny, and he's like, look who I met and look who you haven't met. And I'm like, that blows my mind. And really, I didn't. But it actually makes me so jealous. And I'm like, low key, like, not over it yet because I still haven't met Danny. I just think I know it's because we've done this, you know?
02;07;20;13 - 02;07;43;01
So I, I'm not really this you're not real because like Matthew Lillard. Exactly. He's actually Matthew Lillard. But yeah. So I'm seeing I can't go see it that we can because I'm going to Texas to see Lady Gaga for her mayhem tour Sydney Wood and I was and I was like, so I was like like, look at that.
02;07;43;01 - 02;08;03;17
This exact dialog. I was like, I need to go early because I'm not waiting till Monday to watch it. There's no way I'm going to see it Thursday night before we leave Friday to go there for the weekend to see that. And then the concert's not all weekend. I know it's like that's going to be a pretty big deal for me.
02;08;03;17 - 02;08;25;28
So I am trying to find I want to dress up as Sydney without dressing up as Sydney. So I want to find like a cute, like purple t shirt and a jean jacket and some black slacks. You don't want to wear her nightgown from the opening or like, that's a button. I have that ready. I already bought that just in case.
02;08;26;01 - 02;08;45;04
Yeah, yeah, but I wish I had a hairy chest. I'm scared. I like this scary movie reference, but yeah, yeah. So I'm excited. But I'll probably see it Thursday so I will have it all things will be running in my brain. And then when you finally see it Friday or Saturday, I will, we'll we'll be engaging. Yes.
02;08;45;04 - 02;09;03;05
For sure. Man, hopefully about how much we love it and not how disappointed we are personally, I'm gonna love it. I've not been disappointed yet. Really? You know, like, three was a, like a slight disappointment at the time, but it's appreciated over time. So three was good because I saw it at the right age in theaters.
02;09;03;05 - 02;09;23;29
My mom took me to see it and I was like, wait, so 2000. So it'd been like 11 ish. 12, 11. Yeah, I loved it. I ate it up, you know? Yeah. So I feel like they would have to do a really good job at effing this up if. Yeah, yeah yeah yeah, right. Like it isn't going to reach the heights we wanted to.
02;09;24;00 - 02;09;51;09
Maybe not, but as long as we like the film and we still and it's not Ethan Embry. Ethan Embry is making like a huge mainstream cinema on the poster. I didn't know that Ethan Embry was in this movie. Oh so fun fact that's amazing. The Mark Embry all over the place. Like go ahead. No no no no. Ethan Embry auditioned for Stu Mocker, and I always thought Ethan Embry looked like Matthew Lillard, so I don't know if they did that.
02;09;51;09 - 02;10;12;14
And again, how intentional are these filmmakers, right. Is you related? Are they going to do that again after scream six? Is that too much that's related to the time ever. If I'm ever like at one of these Q and A's or one of those like whatever premieres or something like that, that's going to be my question is like, we're crazy, we're psychopaths, but are you guys crazy?
02;10;12;14 - 02;10;35;09
If I can pass and listen to. Yeah, like, are you did you hear one of us to figure this out? Like, do you watch because you can find any of us. And literally we'll sit here and help you flesh this out. Now, what makes sense? What? I've just heard the onset. Yeah. Yes. We just got. We wish you wouldn't do that because you picked that guy, the script supervisor, that's like, didn't that doesn't actually supervise the script.
02;10;35;09 - 02;10;56;08
Yeah, the script supervisor. Supervisor is was the role. Exactly. Yes. But did you get that? You get that? Yes, I got that. But yeah. So yeah I'm excited. We'll see. We'll see where where thing goes. The one thing I'm sad about and I read that Paramount doesn't do the, they made it. There was an article written about it.
02;10;56;08 - 02;11;18;19
Why there's been so they've been so scarce with marketing just in general. It's kind of like in general for marketing, not just for scream, but scream is the first one we're concerned about. But basically they're like, we can't gamble. We've lost so much funding at this point. We have to, like, be very intentional about when and how we market it.
02;11;18;19 - 02;11;39;11
Now, maybe that's a benefit. You know, maybe they'll avoid too much spoilers by much. You know, too much that is revealed. Yeah for sure. So that's one thing. But has I've already seen one thing that I'm like, oh no. And it's not even again, it's it's only because we're out of our fucking minds. Yeah. Notice things that don't even make sense.
02;11;39;13 - 02;11;57;08
Like I ain't noticing a thing that is like evocative of other things I've seen that I'm like, yeah, does that mean this? Or just I did? I was like, we're overanalyzing. Maybe they planted that there because we know that's what we would think and it's the opposite. So then it is exactly where did they go even further knowing you would think that.
02;11;57;08 - 02;12;17;02
So then it is like, oh Daniel. And then literally right. We didn't even think about that. But we were yeah. We didn't know. Yeah. Like because I'm like because something we haven't seen or even talked about was the fact that we haven't seen any, any clips of Anna Camp. We've seen. No, there's so many like, characters that are on.
02;12;17;02 - 02;12;35;27
Who are the supporting characters, who are these people like? You're like keeping them at arm's like, we are not close to the big, like, names too. Yeah. I'm like Anna Camp, like you're going to you don't put Anna camp in there and don't know or who's. Now I feel bad I'm forgetting her name, but, McKenna, she's a young.
02;12;35;27 - 02;12;52;19
I worked with Marina Grace. I worked with her. She was, I was on a movie that shot here last year, and she had. She had just got off of the set of. She had just wrapped on scream seven. I was like, I was like, you don't. You're like, looking for, like, fake blood that she forgot to wipe off.
02;12;52;22 - 02;13;11;26
Like, I was like, you don't understand who you're standing in front of right now. I have three and a half weeks. You're like, I'm kind of a celebrity. Every time you go to crafty, we are going to be talking about scream. I need you to understand. I know you find him in the I love it. Tell me anything, but I need.
02;13;11;28 - 02;13;34;18
She was so cagey. She was so good. Like twice if blink twice if you're the killer, blink twice if you're the opening kill. Blink twice. All these things. And she was like. But a lot of the things she alluded to, I was like, I won't share it because I want to spoil them with you guys. But I will say, like, I have a theory also about that one, too, because of what she admitted and what she what, you know, what have you saw?
02;13;34;18 - 02;13;55;21
I'm like, I'm curious about that too. She was like, I have I have a very strong theory. She's like, I have you scenes with Neve Campbell. And I got to watch her do her thing and all this stuff, like, it was like, very like, And I was like, so you aren't on screen very much, but, you see, you have a few scenes with Neve Campbell.
02;13;55;21 - 02;14;14;00
I'm like, that's interesting to me. Why would you have a scene with Neve Campbell? You're a very character unless you aren't, you know, like so I'm just saying. But she is. Tatum is BFF, apparently, or at least one. So I'm very curious if that's just whatever she could even throw me off to. So it's like, you never know.
02;14;14;00 - 02;14;34;15
But it was it was a fun, fun three weeks know. I'm so excited, you guys. I couldn't like random with that because she's dating Mason. Themes from the, the Black Phone movies. The lead actor in that, you know, how to train your Dragon. They also did some really bad rom com last year. Oh, so she's definitely not the killer because he's.
02;14;34;16 - 02;14;49;27
She was. You would never go in his last year, like, Five Nights at Freddy's. She was shot scream. She did the movie that we did in Oklahoma. Then she was she's going to be in The Hunger Games pretty soon. The new reboot for that. That's like cheese. Which makes you wonder maybe she doesn't have the energy to be a ghost face.
02;14;49;29 - 02;15;12;07
So I mean, she's like, I, I'll do a cameo. I can't do this whole song and dance not work. But yes, I know we're keeping you guys, especially Zach. So I will say, like, even me, I'll just I so I could just walk away and you guys could just go, but, Yeah, I'll be, Thanks for thanks for having me.
02;15;12;09 - 02;15;42;00
I absolutely. Oh, yeah. We're still recording this episode. I'm just like. I like this one exactly as I expected it to. Danny, I texted you. I did warn Zach, I texted you, I would be I would exercise some self-control. That was a lie. And you, you failed miserably. I've never seen someone not do that or not. You didn't think it's like it wasn't even in my mind as soon as we started talking, like, oh, yeah, I said I wouldn't do that.
02;15;42;02 - 02;16;01;19
Well, every time we're doing it right now. So when I bring up something and I'm like, wait, there's five things I need to say, this just landed my and I know I just said, I gave this up and I just it was out of hand. I get this hunting knife. It's like this scene in Scary Movie when like, the mask and the phone and the knife fall out of his pocket.
02;16;01;21 - 02;16;26;27
Yes, that's a scary movie. Six, two. This year. I'm excited for that. Like, that's very like undersell or underselling that. I'm like, that's a big deal scary movie. And we're bringing back the Wayne brothers and Brenda and all that. Yeah. That's what oh yeah, it was huge. I just want to tell listeners that Lauren and I somehow I don't know how we got to it, but we decided that we are we are Brad, Brant, Brandon and Cindy.
02;16;26;29 - 02;16;48;11
We are. I'm Cindy Campbell and Brenda. I really think we're more Randy and Randy and Mindy. But yes, we also Mindy is Mindy and Brenda, our mixes, which is funny. That's true. That is true. And we're oh and Randy, that's true. Yeah. They're all all they're all there. Oh, this is the if this is our podcast. That's not that's what happened.
02;16;48;11 - 02;17;15;25
But yeah. So he's in my mode is conspiracy theory Danny aka Cindy Miller. That's so funny. But, well, I don't hear from you for a year. Zack, I understand, but you'll have to refill. Sabrina, we're going to do a regular episode at any point in time. In the future, if you guys find one that you think I'd be good for, that's not scary.
02;17;15;25 - 02;17;39;22
It'll probably be a screamer. It'll probably be the next scream. Yeah, well, yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure we'll talk, sometime later this month. Once we've once we've all seen the movie, I'm sure. I'm for sure. Oh, are we just sprinkle in a little something into the conversation. Oh, yeah, I don't, I don't know, so sorry. I could not be sorry for that so much as I talked over you.
02;17;39;24 - 02;18;01;26
And Danny, I think, or at least Danny, he might have already shared that. Like, he's going to be on our, scream seven. Oh, yeah. Did I even mention that episode? I think you're doing? Oh, we you know, we do all the new. We do all the new movies. So it's kind of like. Yeah. So we, I have assembled, a team of scream Avengers, and that's awesome.
02;18;01;27 - 02;18;23;17
They like like, yeah, you know, he's Iron Man in that regard. So it's like, so I'm guess I was alone. That's all right. I just, like, conjured up. Well, Caleb is going to be the you in that scenario where he is a fan of scream. He thinks that's fun, but he is not. You go past the everyone else is sure you're on.
02;18;23;17 - 02;18;44;01
There is a psychopath. So he's like, this is for you, Lauren. Invite whoever you want to. I'm just going to scream. Movies don't create psychos and scream movies make psychos. Write more creative in podcasts about scream. Yeah, exactly. So it's sounds appropriate. It felt appropriate to invite him to the scream seven episode because Danny would be like, why was I not invited to this?
02;18;44;01 - 02;19;10;11
Like, oh, I would have that one motive killer. Yeah, that was the last podcast Lauren ever recorded. That's a modern motive. That's podcast. Oh, yeah. Yeah, exactly. But, well, it is lame. I will let you guys go. I know we're on different time zones. So, Danny, you're probably. It's only like 740. Oh, yeah, I'm about to. I'm literally like, am I watching?
02;19;10;14 - 02;19;36;03
Yeah, we're like 10:00 or so. I have to. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Right. All right. Well, thank you, Lauren, for coming. That was. Who's this? Was that voice that you're here? Yeah. There's a third person here. That's okay. Sorry. All right, well, listeners, I hope you enjoyed our scream seven commentary on scream. Morgan. And, let us know what you think of scream seven.
02;19;36;05 - 02;19;47;26
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