We continue our SCARYTALES triple feature with Walter Murch’s wicked trip into live-action nightmare fuel. The Wheelers are rolling, the Ozians are strolling, and electroshock therapy seems like a pretty aggressive substitute for melatonin as we ease on down the yellow brick road to meet Princess Mombi and the Nome King in RETURN TO OZ.
Return to Oz might be marketed as a fantasy sequel—but rewatching it as adults reveals something far darker. From electroshock therapy and abandoned children to the Wheelers, Princess Mombi’s Hall of Heads, and the terrifying Nome King, this Disney film feels more like a full-blown horror movie than a family classic.
In this episode of How I Met Your Monster, we continue our Scarytales triple feature by breaking down Return to Oz through the lens of monster introductions, childhood trauma, and nightmare fuel imagery. We explore why this movie terrified so many of us as kids, how it stays unsettling as adults, and why it might be Disney’s most disturbing film.
We also dive into behind-the-scenes facts, Walter Murch’s direction, the film’s connection to the original Oz books, and how Return to Oz embraces darker fantasy in the tradition of The Dark Crystal and Labyrinth.
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Today, we continue our Scary Tales triple feature with Walter Murch's wicked trip into live action nightmare fuel. The wheelers are wheeling, the oceans are sterling and electroshock therapy seems like a pretty aggressive substitute for melatonin. As we ease on down the yellow brick road to meet Princess Mombi and the Nome King in Return to Oz. You're listening to how I Met Your Monster, a podcast that explores the introductions to your favorite movie monsters.
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My name is Zack. I'm Danny and I'm Casey. And together, we dive into the world of horror to find out how filmmakers have introduced us to our favorite monsters time and time again. This is how I met your most.
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Welcome to how I Met Your Monster, the show where we discuss the introductions to your favorite movie monsters. Today we are continuing our Scary Tales triple feature. With, a movie that is not as scary as I made it out to be. From what I know, when I was a kid, I was terrified. No, this is sure. Yeah, this is Return to Oz, which as a kid.
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Oh my God. It was scary. I mean, the intro says it all. It was like fuckin nightmare fuel. Like, it was like that wall, that Hall of Heads dude, I loved that. But then watching it this time, the beginning was, like, scary. And then once they got to Oz, I was kind of like, okay, but maybe when I was a kid, maybe I didn't make it that far.
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Well, no, I think I mean, even when they're in Oz, man, when I was younger, the so I think that part of it is like because I watched a lot of horror movies when I was way too young to be watcher and nothing really like scared scared me. But this movie used to freak me out, but I'm wondering if it's because I was like her age versus like the adults that are not adults.
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But you know, at the time they seemed much more like adults were really like, you know, like Candyman and like grown up tricks, stuff like that. Yeah. They all seemed so much older. But Nancy was my age.
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Dorothy, I said, Nancy, you. Well, that's funny, because I was just thinking of Nancy in A Nightmare on Elm Street. When she looks, she sees her gray hair and she says, God, I look 20 years old. Well, Nancy is also Facebook's name in the craft. Oh, okay. So that's probably mixing a few singles. Yeah, but, Dorothy was my Dorothy.
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Know she was. I mean, she was good as a little Dorothy to us. And I think that now this movie is scary in different ways now, just because it's about, like, we talked about this a little bit during Dream Warriors, too. Like not believing children. Sure, but also this is kind of about like, crushing children's dreams. Like for real?
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Oh, yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like how she has this imaginary world, but then it's just like, no, you just live on a fucking farm in 1900 Kansas. Yeah, and they're trying to electroshock therapy. The, like, ideas and the like, creativity out of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude, that's fucked up. Yeah, I know someone who has had electroshock therapy.
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Really? Yeah. What, like what happened to her? She's all right now. Okay. Jesus. Like, I wonder how long they were doing that. Like, when did they stop doing that? I mean, she was born in, like, 1950, so I would have probably been in the 60s. Yeah. Jesus. And this, I mean, this takes place, he says in the movie that it's almost it's 1899.
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It's like he said, it was like a couple months from being 1900 or something like that. Well, the ban on shock therapy was in 2020. Jesus. But then they're proposed it in 2024. Oh that's great. Yeah. I mean, maybe there's something to it. I don't think so. I don't know, but no, I was thinking, she says in this movie here, the doctor says in this movie that it's 1899.
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Yes. When I just assumed that the first Wizard of Oz movie, took place, like when it was made in, like, 1939. Yeah. Yeah. So it did. These aren't these aren't connected. These movies aren't connected. So the first one took place when it was filmed. The second one took place in 1899, but it took from the. It's more like better suited to the source material.
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Sure. And the original one. So it took place when the books were made? Oh, okay. Yeah. In the early 1900s, 1904, I think, was the it took from the second the third book. Right. The Marvel I wrote, what is it? The marvelous Land of Oz and Ozma of Oz. Yeah. So they're not related. Okay. Because. Yeah, because he says, like, you know, she hasn't slept for, like, six months since the tornado.
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Yeah. No. Like, do they go back in time for two years or what? Yeah. Okay. Just not. They're just not related. And this is a Disney movie. The first one was MGM. All right. Disney got the. He bought the rights to all the books for. He croaked. We bought the slippers. The rights to the slippers, too, because the in the book, they're silver.
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I think. Oh, and they wanted the Ruby ones because of how popular the first movie was. Oh, that makes sense to connect so people could connect the connect the dots because there's a big old sloppy, sloppy rule. Yeah, I loved it, though. No, it was good. It was good. Like I said at the beginning, it wasn't as scary as I remembered it.
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I mean, obviously it's I'm an adult now, but, But no, I enjoyed it. Directed by Walter Mirch, who? This is the only thing he directed besides a, episode of Star Wars The Clone Wars. But he's like a super famous editor. Oh, okay. And, he edited movies like Apocalypse Now, ghost, The Godfather three, The English Patient, Towns, Ripley, Cold Mountain, and even The Wolf Man 2010.
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I love that movie. We can we can get through a fucking episode of this show anymore without bringing up Larry Talbot. But no. But he. Hey, have you watched that one? I even in I saw in light of that I even am using my wolf man mode. I saw have you watched the 2010 one though? I saw it in the theater, I think, when it came out, but I don't remember it.
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It is so good. I just, I've been meaning to watch it ever since we did our episode on Wolf Man last year, but, or 20, 2010. Wolf man is exactly what I want. Okay, okay. It is perfect, dude. Okay, it. Well, maybe I'll definitely have to give it another watch because I love it. I don't remember my feelings on it when I saw it originally, but I have to watch it.
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But. Yeah, Walter Mertz, edited that. And, he's also he's also like, a super famous sound editor, I guess, in, in Hollywood, The Godfather, American Graffiti, Apocalypse Now, all these things he even invented, system on how to get realistic reverb in movies. And the is he called it world izing. Wow. Because now if you want, like, you can just do reverb digitally now with anything.
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But back then they couldn't they didn't have that technology. So he invented this thing where you like, played the music in the space you were in. Then you actually recorded that recording as it was playing, and then you can like then he did something else to it. And anyways, then they could like manipulate how they wanted it to sound in certain things.
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So yeah, he's like, well, this is the only thing he directed. But in Hollywood he's like a heavy hitter. Good. I don't like that this movie flopped, but I'm glad he had plenty of things to fall back on, you know? Yeah, I think it was like, from what I saw, it was like $28 million, and it made, like 11.
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Yeah. So yeah, which is a shame because it's not I mean, it is scary, but it's, it's good. And like you said, like it took it was more closely suited to, like, the source material of these books, like the wheelers are in those books. The fucking desert that kills everybody in those books. The lady with the heads is in those books.
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Mommy. Asma, I, Shit. No, you don't have a butthole, remember? Oh, yeah. You're right. I haven't listened to that episode. It's been a while. And, I can't remember. I was going to say. God damn it. What are we talking about? We were talking about Walter Merch and talking about source material. Yeah, this is more the vibe.
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So when we did The Company of Wolves and the director said that he wanted it to be, like, suited for young girls, like, that's what this is. Sure. You know what I mean? This is much more on that level. Yeah. That the wheelers start pulling their faces off and, yeah, wolves come out of their fucking mouth. I was I was looking some stuff up the other day about about this movie.
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And I came across this YouTube video where this guy is talking just about like ten things you didn't know about the return of or whatever. And one of his points was, the wheelers are such impractical villains. And then he went on about, I'm like, dude, shut up. He's like, because the way they convert you is to run you over, and we got a guy.
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Come on. Okay. Come on. Like, oh, because they don't have hands and feet. Yes. Like but do you know what the wheelers are supposed to be, like, you know how everything represents something or everything the real world is represented as. Oh, sure. Okay, that makes sense. But no, I don't, let me think about the wheelers.
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I mean, this is an assumption on my part, too, but it's a pretty good one, I think. Oh, I mean, like 1900. Was it like cars? No. Like they're like, think about in the hospital. This is something that was in the air. Because when she is sitting in that room and it is squeaking so loud when they're bringing water and then the in the wheelers squeaky to, man will get to it.
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But her in that hospital. I like my heart fucking bro. That is sad. Oh my God, we can get to it now if you want. First of all. Yeah, well, let's, Yeah, let's get into this show. First of all, if you're not following how I Met Your Monster, find us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, anywhere you get your podcasts, and make sure to hit the follow button so that you don't miss episodes.
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I'm going to make a bagel pizza later, and I can't stop thinking about. Yeah.
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Why don't you love being old? Got got plans for today. They're going to make a big pizza.
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Anyways. Bagel pizza. I'm excited. I'm about turkey pepperoni. Oh, okay. So return to us. We have seven official monster reveals for this movie. If you are new to the show, a monster reveals any time that a monster is revealed to the characters in the movie or to us as an audience. And for Return to Oz, we have seven.
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Casey. This is your choice for our Scary Tales triple feature. Yeah, and now I can tell you are not prepared for this. No, I'm so ready. But when you get prepared, could you read the synopsis from IMDb? Dorothy, saved from a psychiatric experiment by a mysterious girl is somehow called back to Oz when a vain witch and the Gnome King destroy everything that makes the magical world beautiful.
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Okay, but you know what bugs me is that he's the gnome king. Yeah, and Noemi and not G. And, Noemi. Well, it's just made up. Oh, I know, but come on, like like the like the. What's the name? The Gump Pamplemousse. It's called a gump. What if it was the gimp from Pulp Fiction? And just like, with, like, if I can.
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Yeah. This leather thing on with, like, a ball gag. They like, they tie them all together. Oh, yeah. He likes being tied up. And then they. They fly him. I love the, the poster for this. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The poster. Good. Super cool. I wonder who did that poster. It seems like it seems like that guy who did all the fucking, good posters back in the day, like all the Indiana Jones posters and Star Wars posters.
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Speaking of which, a lot of the team from the Star Wars movies were brought on to this one. Yeah. Because Gary Kurtz was a producer on Star Wars, A new Hope and Empire Strikes Back and The Dark Crystal. And so he brought a lot of those people on to this movie, including Brian Henson, the son of Jim Henson, who did, Brian Henson was Jack Pumpkinhead.
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Yeah, yeah. Who inspired a character in Tim Burton movie. Would you guess who, Pee-Wee Herman? No, but Pee-Wee Edward Edward Scissorhands? No. Meaning serious Jack Skellington. Jack Skellington. However, Paul Reubens could have been a stop in Wheeler. And this. Oh, yeah, that was that sick dude. The wheelers who I mean, again, we'll get to this when we get to the Wheeler reveal, but they're scarier without their masks on.
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Yes they are. They had those like those masks. They're supposed to be scarier than they pull them up. And it was like, Holy shit. Yeah. The masks are a little cartoony. Yeah. They're laugh. I love their laugh anyway. Yeah. Like that main Wheeler guy, whatever his name was, I think, if I'm not mistaken, he was like the guy on set who was in charge of, like, all the move, like teaching people how to move, like, oh, okay.
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Jack Skellington, how they had, like, the puppeteers. And then they also had a guy in a suit for like certain scenes. And he had to, like, they had to get him to move like a puppet. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because I guess it was easier to get a guy to move like a puppet than to get a puppet.
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Yeah, but, you know, it's wild to me. Speaking of Star Wars and all this stuff and like, you know, R2d2, TikTok. That fucking robot in this movie. There was a fucking guy inside. Yeah. On his hands. Fucking folded over upside down. Yeah. Because his legs are so far apart. Like TikTok's legs are like yeah two feet apart.
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So yeah. Don't have a person standing normally so oh man as well. And he was like tucked in there like with, like his head between his fucking legs. He couldn't see anything. That's wild. I guess I just, I didn't think that. I mean, I also didn't think there was somebody inside R2d2 also. But yeah, yes there is which is just insane.
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I love it. All right, let's jump to our first reveal. This is like Dorothy is in this, hospital, which is kind of like a big house, but it has, like, rooms. Yeah. And she is about to get some electroshock therapy when the power goes out and she escapes with this girl and this mysterious girl who is clearly Ozma.
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Right. And that nurse lady chases them through the woods and they get that nurse lost and that nurse has no business wearing that cool of an outfit. Right. It's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. Well I don't know if it was her in the. It might have just been might have just been a different advertisement. But yeah.
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Because why would she be in that anyways when Uncle Henry. That isn't him. He's like looking at an ad in the paper for this electroshock therapy. Oh yeah. And then there's like a lady on the side of the ad and I was like, oh, she looks like a scary witch person. But it might have just been an ad for clothes I don't see.
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Looks like a scary witch person. No, I know what you're like. The fucking nurse was like, reading the paper where they had that. She was like, checking out the ad they put in the paper and she's like, let's see how the ad turned out. And then she saw that thing. She's like, oh, I'm getting that for sure. She's like that and she's like, Napoleon Dynamite.
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She's like, oh, well, I will, but I won't. That yeah. Her outfit buck sick. Yeah. But this is where we find out that she's like, they're like bad people, right? Yeah. Because like, earlier, you kind of like, you're iffy about the electroshock thing. You're like, oh, this is new stuff, whatever. But, like, clearly they have people locked away that are screaming where they like, yeah, yeah.
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That like, yeah, quote unquote went bad. Yeah. So you're like okay. Yeah. These people are they know it's doctor. Even the doctor, when he's about to put the stuff like the headphones on her or whatever, you can see it on his face. He's like There's like a moment of hesitation where he's like, maybe this isn't working like we thought it would.
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Yeah, it's it's wild too because it's like yeah. I think at some point it's just the recognition like, you know, the guy who started lobotomies back in the day just kept doing them, even though clearly they weren't great. But I think it's just the recognition that he was like, hell yeah, people know who I am. Oh, sure.
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That's, you know, because why else would you be doing it if you know that it's not working? You know, you're just trying to convince people that it is working and you want people to know your name. Yeah. And it's like the it's like 1900. So it's like the. That's like the industrial revolution, you know, that's true is not really my thing.
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Well, I think so because that's like when things were getting, yeah, things were. Yeah. You were in with Google. Yeah. When was the industrial revolution? Oh.
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When was it the industrial revolution? According to Google, the start date was 1760. Oh. Oh, wow. Okay. The industrial revolution, primarily the first one started in Great Britain around the 1760s, and trade transitioned manufacturing from hand to machine, ending roughly between the 1830s and 1840s. So, Wow. Okay. Well, okay. Well, they said the first one.
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When was the second one?
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When was the Industrial Revolution? Part two. Part two.
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The. Okay. The second Industrial Revolution called often called part two. See, I'm not an idiot. Okay? You know, generally occurred from 1870 to 1914 leading up to World War one. Perfect. Yeah. Okay. Zach, I didn't know you were a history buff. Dude. I'm. Well, I'm going to get into it now. Apparently, I'm just like a fucking prodigy when it comes to fucking history.
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So now I have to build on that. I have to I can't let that escape. That's right. So, yeah. Part of the, Industrial Revolution. Part two. Part two. Oh. They were really riding on this stuff, you know? Yeah. He was like, I got to submit my name in this. I got, yeah. Even if I fuck up a bunch of kids, like, I gotta get this done.
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How? Earlier you said, like, you felt really sad for her. Would you like to elaborate on it? Oh, yeah. When fucking Aunt Em like they'd take her there, and then she's like, all right, Dorothy, I'm leaving. See you later. Yeah. And I don't know what it was, but I was just like, what? Like my. Just how my heart shattered.
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I was like, why are you dad? And she was like, by herself with these people. And they took away her fucking lunch pail, and they're like, you don't need that. I was like her. Like one thing she could maybe, like, cling to, to be like a piece of home. No, no. Like, you know, and then and she sits in this dark room for like, a long time, and there's a thunderstorm outside, and she hears the people.
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Oh my God, bucket, look at all. There you go. That is she did she did discover electricity while she was in there. You, like, flipped on the light. Oh, she turned on there. She. I guess it was like a knob. She turned it in. It turn the light on, and she was like, oh, no, but God, yeah.
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Like, what were they thinking when they made this movie, like, terrifying, you know, I know, I know, I'm, I'm saying like earlier I said like, it wasn't that scary. But this first section where, like, they're escaping the hospital. Yeah. It was very scary. It was scary. And I think that I think being an adult, too, you understand it a lot more.
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So yeah. You know, it's like scary in a different way. Sure. And though I did not realize was Piper Laurie until she was talking and she said something with an exorcist. And then I just heard her screaming at Carrie in my head. Yeah, that's all.
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You keep talking about this Oz place, and they're all going to laugh at you. They're all going to laugh at you. I should have gotten rid of you. I don't remember exactly what she says. I should have gotten rid of it as soon as I put it at me or something like that. I don't know what happened to Dorothy's parents.
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I guess it was 18, like 1890s. They probably just died somehow. They probably, you know, wasn't.
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It wasn't the Oregon Trail around this.
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They probably died of dysentery, this dysentery on the Oregon Trail, dysentery. Dysentery.
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Or diarrhea or both. Yeah. They didn't have enough cattle, you know. Oh, yeah. But by snake. So. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder how they got to. How she got to live with Aunt Em and Uncle Henry. I don't know, I don't know either. Do you think Emma's short for Emerald? Interesting. Is that why it's the Emerald City when she like.
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Not that for none. The her name was short for Emerald, but, like, is that why she connected those dots? And, like, said Emerald City? No, no, we'll even like. And then like, you know, talking about how, like the things she sees in real life are part of Oz. Her, her, I'm going to say is the made up world.
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Oz is the fucking real thing. So when he brings out the electroshock machine, he's showing it to her and he's like, it's a face, it's got two eyes. Well, this must be his nose. And this is his tongue. I kind of wanted that machine to come to life. Not that well, that's what I'm wondering, is, like, I've been trying to figure out I can't place TikTok exactly in her world, but I think that the electroshock machine, this is way later on in the movie.
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But we're here, so. But at the same time, I think that maybe the electroshock machine is whatever the Nome King is doing at the end. I don't know how to describe it, because the Gnome King clearly is the doctor. Yeah, but he's even used the same guy. Yeah, right. But, like, there's lightning every time that somebody turns into.
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Oh, no, wait. Yeah. So you know what I mean? So is that just what he's doing? Is the machine just, like, an idea of what he's doing at the end of the movie? Yeah, yeah. Like it would make sense if it was TikTok, because just mechanicals, right? Mechanical stuff. But. Right. But TikTok is trying to take because, like, I don't know, is this movie about crushing childhood dreams, perhaps, you know, I mean, that's what it's like if we had to have some sort of underlying thing here, Danny could help us out.
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But yeah, he's good at finding those. I think it maybe it's about crushing childhood dreams. So if it is about that, TikTok isn't doing that. You know what I mean? He's helping her. However, if we are not going with it's crushing childhood dreams and she does need help. Then maybe it is TikTok because, you know, the electroshock therapy would help her.
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Oh, yeah. Feel better. And TikTok is helping her navigate through all. Yeah. Or it's like when you you like, you find something good in a bad situation. Yeah, right. She's in that scary thing with that machine and she's like, well, he does look like he looks cute. Yeah, Priscilla is a TikTok. So she kind of made that up in her head.
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Yeah, I don't know. I also can't place to go. I wonder if she saw something like it. Was there something in Lilly's like, office? Was there like a, a mounted head? Oh, maybe in his office. That's all I could think of, because I guess it was like a house. Part of that hospital. Right? Right. Do you want to go?
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Yeah. Yeah, I bought it. It was on, because I don't have Disney Plus, and it was like, 393. Something to rent or for 99 to buy. And I was like, okay, I'll just fucking buy it. Oh, yeah. So I'll go back and I'll go back and do some research, but no, you want to watch it again?
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I wouldn't mind because like nine, I wants to see it. I thought she had seen it before, but she never has. And so, yeah, I'm kind of glad that I bought it because she's a big fan of Wizard of Oz and Wicked and all that. So, so I know she'll want to watch it. It's a weird one.
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Yeah. Okay. Well, let's jump to our second reveal. This is Dorothy is now in Oz. She was carried away by the water. She woke up in the, What kind of desert was it? It was called something. The desert of death. The, The deadly desert. The deadly desert. There you go. Her in Ballina. The fucking chicken.
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Yeah, I thought so. Like when Toto was, like, running after her. To when they were going to the hospital I was like oh okay. Well how does Toto make it back with her before she goes to us. But he doesn't know. Turn aside. Get on this trip. Yeah which I love. I love the her her sidekick is a talking chicken.
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Do you know what I still can't wrap my head around and it's just a fucking part of nature. But it's wild to me. Chickens or hens create an egg a day. Life a day. Yeah. Their body builds an egg. Yeah, with the shell and everything in a day. Yeah. Isn't that insane? Can you imagine if children or if humans just shove children out every day?
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Oh my God, oh oh my God, this place would be so much worse. Yeah, yeah. Wouldn't be great. Be very messy. However, they do have the option of fertilizing. What, like not every egg is going to turn into a chick, right? How do they. You know what? What will they do that I'm not good at history. Not good at science.
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I can't tell you what I do that nothing. Talking about movies. Maybe.
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I just think it's wild that like, a like their body. Like a chicken's body can. Yeah. Manufacture an egg. Yeah. In one day. Female. It's just. Yeah, yeah. The women doing all the work. No surprise. Yeah. That's true. So the chickens have to fuck to get know I don't know I said that thinking about it now, it's just stupid.
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I don't know, I don't know.
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Well, hey, we're we're here. We're doing it. We're here, we're doing it. Let's see. Do chickens have sex?
00;28;42;02 - 00;28;49;05
Oh, they're pictures. Okay. Yes, yes, chickens have sex. But it's a quick process called a.
00;28;49;07 - 00;29;15;15
Cloak. Cloak. Awaken. Cloak will kiss. This cloaca is their whole. Okay. It's a quick process. Call a cloak. I'll kiss with cumin. Baby, let me give you a black feast. Where the rooster and hen touch their shared and.
00;29;15;17 - 00;29;44;22
Their cloaca is for a few seconds to transfer sperm without penetration to fertilize eggs. Okay, 10 to 30 times a day. This efficient method allows hens to store sperm and lay fertile eggs for days or weeks after a single mating. Okay, so never mind. They're all fertilized well and hens can even mate with other hens. Well that's cool, freaky chickens are free.
00;29;44;25 - 00;30;03;28
Wow. Wait. Oh, I'm kind of glad that we discovered this. I'm more confused now, though. So does that mean they are? If you have a if you have a rooster around, does that mean they're all fertilized? And do they not do they not turn into chicks because we don't think you eat this properly? No. Does mean all the eggs are fertilized?
00;30;04;00 - 00;30;34;13
No, I think, I think from what I know now, a chicken can lay an egg a day, but they're just for omelets and fucking breakfast. Well, if a rooster puts its event on a nest, if a roosters event and a hens then touch for a few seconds, then all the eggs for like, weeks are babies. Yeah. And I guess commercial farms aren't keeping ends.
00;30;34;13 - 00;30;55;25
And, yeah, they're probably just near each other pushing out the breakfast eggs. All right, well, Lina Bellini oh, that's right, I can return to us. Ballina. So her and Dorothy Ballina is now our main character.
00;30;55;27 - 00;31;22;05
They are. Where am I? I'm lost here. Let's see. Oh, the fucking the rocks. They just get to Oz and all the rocks are, like, doing like that claymation. It's like claymation, essentially. It's pretty cool. And you see them here and there, but you don't really know if they're bad or what their whole deal is yet until they, like, go down into the rock core of the, the crust of the earth.
00;31;22;05 - 00;31;28;09
And they say, Your Majesty, she's here. Daddy. He's here.
00;31;28;11 - 00;31;48;11
And she brought a chicken. She brought a chicken? Yeah, which we know. We'll find out later. What? Which they. Honestly, they didn't do too much to try to get rid of the chicken. Yeah. You know. Yeah, they know it's there. They know it could like. Yeah. Dismantle their whole fucking. Yeah. And then and they're just like oh mom, we'll take care of it.
00;31;48;16 - 00;32;11;19
Yeah. All right. Oh, mom, you didn't take your shit. No. Yeah. I love the little clay. The little thing when they're talking to each other. It's funny because they're rocks, but they're so expressive. Yeah, they're so, you know, animated. And I love it. Okay. See other rocks. That's really all they do. They're kind of messengers. They don't really bite or anything.
00;32;11;22 - 00;32;41;12
Knows they did. They don't even make themselves known. Yeah. Right either. Right. They're spies. Our third reveal is the wheelers. Beware the wheelers beware. I like when they screech like birds. Yeah, they're they're really. They are scary screeching and all the laughing and cackling and it's a they're fucking weird. Yeah. Now, don't get me wrong. Like, there were parts of this that I still found scary.
00;32;41;12 - 00;33;00;25
And I was like, oh yeah, as a kid, this is terrifying and scary. Two wheelers, they're scary. You don't have to convince me. No, I know, I just I love this movie, I always have. I feel like it was kind of very formative. And again, because we talked about Nightmare on Elm Street two three and talked about how, like, I loved horror, but also growing up I loved fantasy.
00;33;01;02 - 00;33;19;11
So I think, yeah, this was, another really formative movie for me because of how fantastical it is now. Did you like so we said that Gary Kurtz was on here as a producer who came from Star Wars, but also The Dark Crystal. I loved the dark, the darkness. Okay. I never saw that as a kid. Me a nine.
00;33;19;11 - 00;33;41;17
I watched it a couple of years ago, and I was just, I didn't, I loved it. The Skeksis used to scare the fuck out of me. The sexes, the sexes, sexes were the vulture people like, guess. Okay. They used to scare me after. I love them so much because I liked labyrinth. I was a fan of labyrinth as a kid.
00;33;41;19 - 00;34;04;26
Yeah, but I never saw The Dark Crystal until I was older and, okay. But yeah, the wheelers, they are like. They just, like, come out of nowhere. They're in that city, the Emerald City. That's like fucking broken down and destroyed now because all the emeralds are gone. So sad. And everybody is stone, including the Tin Man and the fucking, Cowardly Lion.
00;34;04;26 - 00;34;30;04
Cowardly lion. Thank you. And those fucking headless girls. Well, yeah, yeah, all their fucking heads are in the mummy casts some shit. What do you think she did? Went and cut their heads off after they turned into stone. Oh, no. No, that's a good point. What came first? The chicken or the egg? What came first? The. The colossal kiss or the or the the colossal kiss is a really good.
00;34;30;04 - 00;34;34;26
That's a bad name for sure.
00;34;34;29 - 00;34;46;00
And like that, like heavy metal font that you can't fucking. Oh, my God, that be so good. That'd be a great t shirt.
00;34;46;02 - 00;34;53;29
Yeah. They come out like, you know, like Gwar wears those big. Oh, yeah. They just come out of. They're fucking chickens. Chickens.
00;34;54;01 - 00;35;03;00
But like, Black Locust. And we're here to fucking fertilize your eggs. And then they're.
00;35;03;02 - 00;35;25;11
Good. Oh, yeah. And this is where Dorothy meets TikTok, who is like, I love. He's just a great character. Like, he's really cool. She's got a fucking wind them up three different places for him to do all these things. And that was cool. But yeah, he comes out. He kind of saves Dorothy from the wheelers because he just like spins around.
00;35;25;13 - 00;35;47;25
Oh dude, what about like, when Dorothy like, they corner her into the hallway back there and then she gets in the in the door, but the fucking Wheeler puts his eye up to the keyhole. Yeah. Oh, God. Okay. Yeah. So apparently the Scarecrow was the king of the Emerald City. He tried to send a message to Dorothy to say, hey, we need help.
00;35;47;27 - 00;36;16;08
Yeah, TikTok stayed there until she didn't come, and he just fucking ran out of power. Yeah. Then the gnome king took all the emeralds back. Yeah. Which he say were stolen from him. Okay, so that's where we're at. And now Dorothy has to come save the day. Yeah. And I just don't want to forget this point, this question that I have I don't know what, what why is Dorothy their savior.
00;36;16;11 - 00;36;40;09
Like what is she going to do. Well did she save the day in the first one? You know, I don't, I can't remember how that plays out at the end. I don't either, so I guess it gets like the. Yeah, they get the they she she leads them to Oz. She meets them all. Well, technically she, she kills the wizard or the witch too with the water because they get to the, the great and powerful Oz first.
00;36;40;09 - 00;36;57;26
Right. And then he says something about killing the witch. Bring me her broomstick or something. Right. So then they go and they kill the witch with the water and they bring the broomstick. I think that's how it works. It's been a long time since I've seen him, so I guess that's just why they're counting on her to save the day.
00;36;57;29 - 00;37;17;26
Yeah. And also yeah that's probably why they were like well she Dorothy helped us last time. We need your help. She's like an outsider. She went back home. She's come back in to this fucking dream. Yeah. Save us. Okay, wait a second. When in this do they talk about the Tin Man had. He was like, cutting off all his fucking limbs.
00;37;17;29 - 00;37;41;14
Yeah, that must be something in the first. That must be how he became the Tin Man in the first one. And I don't know, that's fucked up. He was like, yeah, chopped off all his limbs and he, like, chopped off his head or something. Yeah. But now you are a fan of wicked, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Isn't the guy, you know, spoiler alert for anyone who hasn't seen the wicked, but I haven't seen it either.
00;37;41;14 - 00;38;05;15
But this might be common knowledge. I don't know that dude becomes the Tin Man, right? What? Which dude? A dude becomes the Tin Man. Okay, I do does? Yeah, but not by chopping off his own limbs. No. Okay. All right. Well, good. Now we can. Now I can rest easy. Yeah. I'm not going to give anything else away.
00;38;05;18 - 00;38;25;16
Okay. All right, all right. Well, they have to go. They the wheelers say that the only person who knows where the scarecrow is is Princess Mommy. And they're terrified of Princess Mommy. They don't want to go. But of course, our hero Balina and her sidekick Dorothy are going to go trying to find Princess Mommy. And this is this.
00;38;25;18 - 00;38;44;21
This is a Samwise Gamgee Frodo Baggins deal here. Oh, yeah. With all the m. Balina. Yeah. Sam. Samwise is a real hero, right? That's right, that's right. Yeah, yeah. But this brings us to our fourth reveal. This is Princess mommy. Dorothy. And then we go to see her, and we see she's, like, playing this, like, flute thing.
00;38;44;21 - 00;38;55;21
And she seems nice at first, not flute. Like a little. What's a little guitar? Not a mandolin. Lute, a lute.
00;38;55;23 - 00;39;01;27
Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. We're almost there. But.
00;39;01;29 - 00;39;25;02
She's playing a little lute thing, and she seems nice. But they go up like this hall of, like, this hallway with all these different heads. And then she puts one back on. She says to Dorothy something about, like, you're sort of pretty. You're going to grow up to be, like, sort of good looking. I think it'll chop your head off now and then, you know, she.
00;39;25;05 - 00;39;41;21
Yeah. She said she's going to keep her until she's old enough to chop up. Okay. All right. So then yeah, she's like, oh shit. Princess mommy. Because at first you, you get in there and you're like, oh, what are we scared of? She seems nice. And then you find out that she's fucking. I love this psychotic serial killer.
00;39;41;24 - 00;40;11;00
I love the way they do it. Just. I just think it's so cool. Yeah. And this. I know me as a kid, I would, I'm like, yeah, dude, this is awesome like that. She chopped off all these heads or you want it to be her, like with a different selection of heads. Oh, no. Okay. Just. Yeah, it just is so cool and, like, weird and something that I, you know, I mean, especially when I was ten years old, something that I had never seen before, you know.
00;40;11;00 - 00;40;28;23
Well, now you keep fucking doll heads around your house. I do. Yeah, I love dollhouse. I dismember dolls all the time. Maybe that's where that came from. Maybe return to us. And I love how they did it in the movie too. How they all, you know, it's just like a bunch of people the way that they. And then they just, you know, camouflaged them.
00;40;28;23 - 00;40;47;28
Oh, you mean like how, like in the filmmaking process. Like how they did it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's cool. And they're all like they're like turned to look at her and they all have their own expressions. And then yeah, when they pick up the head, you can like, you can see that it's like a dated form. Oh yeah I think but like it's but it's, it's it works.
00;40;47;28 - 00;41;10;23
You know what I mean. Oh yeah. When I was I don't mean that as a, as a criticism. It's just. Yeah. Love it. But she gets locked up in the, in the tower. And now we meet Jack Pumpkinhead. Which so cool. Probably my favorite character in you like Jack. Yeah. He's just like but I don't like it's fucking weird that he calls her mom.
00;41;10;25 - 00;41;33;22
Well but you know what I mean. Yeah. He's, he's a pumpkin. So what can you say? He's just like a pumpkin. He's a pumpkin? Yeah. He has no idea. He just knows what happened after he was, you know, turned into when she made him alive with the powder. Right? Oh, yeah. The post, the potion of life powder.
00;41;33;25 - 00;41;57;00
And, this brings us, you know. Well, this brings us to our fifth reveal, which is Princess Mommy, take two, because now we're going to secure the potion of life from the cabinet. Where her. Where Jack says her real head is like her. It's the powder of life. Oh, powder of life. Potion of life for some reason. But it's.
00;41;57;03 - 00;42;23;22
This is where we find out who the real princess mom is. And it's the the fucking badass dress and nurse that ass dress and which, it's funny because, you know, she's dressed like a villain, you know, in the hospital. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, and they take the potion of life. The powder of life. I got to stop fucking reading my own notes.
00;42;23;25 - 00;42;47;17
They take your powder of life and, They make Gump. They make they make the gimp out of the fucking. They make a gimpy gump. Which, yeah, it is so weird. I want to go back and find out where the gump is from. And just to backtrack a tad bit, the the pumpkin was given to her by the little girl that came into her hospital room.
00;42;47;20 - 00;43;02;23
Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. You know, we were talking earlier about, like, what? Things in real life were thing. And I was like, where does she see a pumpkin? Maybe that was just, like on the farm or something, but okay. Yeah. Now I remember she's there in the room with the little, little pumpkin. I think it's a pumpkin because it's almost Halloween.
00;43;02;26 - 00;43;14;16
So technically this is a this is a Halloween movie. Yeah. More of a Halloween movie than Flatliners. That's right.
00;43;14;18 - 00;43;26;03
But I was thinking, you know, like they're making Gump and TikTok goes haywire because his thinking thing runs out.
00;43;26;05 - 00;43;41;10
Dirty comes in and fucking and everything's all stray, and she says, the Jack pumpkin. And she's like, are you okay, Jack pumpkin? It says, I'm pretty fucking far from okay.
00;43;41;13 - 00;44;03;16
What is that? So it's making things up. Let's look at pop. Fix it. Oh okay. Okay, okay. Anyways, so is this Pulp Fiction? Is that what you're, No, I'm not going to make that connection. Okay? Okay. Too much. This is, this is the. This is the great escape, actually, because they put gum together, they sprinkle the powder of life on them, and then it's nothing's working.
00;44;03;16 - 00;44;22;28
And they're like, oh, put it on his heads. They put on that and the fucking moose comes alive. The moose is fucking funny. He's like, I don't want any part of this. Hang me on a fucking wall. Just leave me, right. I agree, yeah, but we'll talk about that later then. Mommy is fucking pissed. Yeah, because she got Dorothy.
00;44;23;01 - 00;44;45;20
Oh she let Dorothy escape. And she tells the wheelers to go to go get her and they chase her. And then I really like what I love her like chariot and using the wheelers as her. Like oh yeah. It's like yeah. Yeah. Like a dog sled. Yeah. Yeah. But what was really scary? The wheelers going through the fucking woods, like at night.
00;44;45;22 - 00;45;14;22
That was scary. And then they reached the fucking death desert and they a couple of them turn into sand and I there's like a deleted scene of this where mommy is whipping the fucking wheelers because she's so pissed at them that she's like, yeah, like, not like, not when she's riding them to the thing, but like, she's mad and she's whipping them and telling them to go get Dorothy and they're like, cowering away and scared and Jesus am.
00;45;14;25 - 00;45;21;12
Yeah. Mommy. Or like mommy.
00;45;21;14 - 00;45;50;00
Jack's good. Jack Pumpkinhead keeps calling Dorothy mom, but he really just got, like, a thing for fucking princess. Mommy, Princess, mommy! Princess. Mommy. But, yeah, they're on their way to the fucking Nome King Mountain. And this is our sixth reveal. Where the fucking Gump mobile. Okay. That's right. The gimp mobile falls apart and Jack's head's going everywhere. The beds are falling apart, and they land on the side of this mountain, which happens to be their destination.
00;45;50;02 - 00;46;11;09
Lucky. And, this is our sixth reveal. This is where Dorothy and her friends meet. The gnome King. He comes out of the fucking, Well, he is rocks. So he doesn't come out of the Roxy. Just up in the mountains. Yeah. And he kind of gives them, like, this, like a game, I guess. He was like, you know, guess where your fucking scarecrow is.
00;46;11;12 - 00;46;42;11
And, yeah, she sees Scarecrow for a second when she comes in, but she knows he's alive and he's there. Something real quick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which, you know, I was so like. So they're like, go in by yourself and find it. Your scarecrow. I turned him into an ornament somewhere in my fucking thing. Go in there and if you guess, you get them, I'm thinking to myself, how hard can it be?
00;46;42;13 - 00;47;03;07
He's going to look like a rock version of a scarecrow now. And so I was like, well, I guess, okay. He sends in Jack first and then TikTok or whatever, and he's like, they don't know what the scarecrow fucking looks like, so maybe it will be hard. But then when Dorothy gets in there, I was like, okay, I'm the asshole.
00;47;03;10 - 00;47;05;16
Yeah.
00;47;05;18 - 00;47;27;02
Yeah. This is another hard this is another thing that I love about this movie. I love knickknacks, you know? Oh, I love that kind of stuff. So when she goes into that room and then they, like, pull out and show everything, I'm like, oh, yeah, love that. If I can want the wall of heads and the little Gnome King's ornament collection, I do, I love it.
00;47;27;05 - 00;47;46;15
Yeah, yeah, but fucking TikTok, man. That was cool. When they said he stopped moving, I was like, he's up to something, I know what he's doing. And she came in there and he was like, be quiet. I did this on purpose. That was just, oh, but then he cries like the fucking like, oh, he's like, I can't feel anything because I'm fucking a machine.
00;47;46;15 - 00;48;11;26
But he does. Can't hide your feelings. TikTok. But yeah. So he's, turn all her friends into ornaments, which again, I don't know if, this would be the machine in their little allegorical. All right, that's what I'm going to say. It is because there is, like you said, there's lightning. Every time that someone changes and every time someone changes, he becomes more lifelike.
00;48;11;28 - 00;48;29;14
So what's that about. There are some things in this like you know I get like the, the, you know moving things from the outside world into the fantasy world is one thing. But there are I love this movie but there are some definite, you know, things that don't come together all the way. Maybe there's more about it in the books, but we don't.
00;48;29;16 - 00;48;49;27
We're not reading those for that's true. There's like 14 books ish or something. Some maybe that's the wrong number, but there's like a ton of them. Better start reading them to figure out what's going on with the whole game. Yeah, but now I'm thinking, like, lightning strikes. What if she's like, what if Dorothy's like, waking up, like, every time lightning strikes?
00;48;49;29 - 00;49;11;18
Oh, because she's in the middle. She's in the middle of a storm. Yeah, but he's not there because I'm saying, like, every time lightning strikes, she starts to like, snap towards reality a little bit more. Yeah. And like, he's that doctor. Well and so could be. Yeah. Maybe. But then when she finds the things from Oz. Oh yeah.
00;49;11;18 - 00;49;39;01
Oz is when every time she finds a new ornament, Oz is like pulling her back to the dream world, and he starts to turn back into a rock. Man. Okay. But then he becomes like, then he becomes like monster gnome king like. Yeah. Eating people. And he's going to eat Jack. And that's when they find Balina. Our hero of the story is our this is our seventh reveal.
00;49;39;04 - 00;49;58;01
Yeah. This is the, thank you. This is the like the gnome king as a monster and all his, like, gnomes. There's no minions. There's little minions coming out of the rocks in the walls and stuff, and it's like, fucking hell. It's like fire and it is all that shit. And, we find out that he's allergic to eggs.
00;49;58;03 - 00;50;24;20
I love it. We just I love it. There was no justice. There's no he he picks up, doesn't he? Pick up? Gimp dumped him, and it wasn't even on purpose. Oh, yeah, he eats gimp. I think he eats the gimp. He eats the couch. Part. Oh, okay. Okay. And then. And then picks up Jack and then. Yeah. Balina that I love it because there's no, like, big.
00;50;24;22 - 00;50;42;23
They're not fighting him. You know what I mean, right. He does no self. Yeah. There's no big like battle kind of thing where they're trying to figure out what to do and they're, you know. No he just accidentally it's an egg I love it I love it. It's like someone eats a cookie. Are there peanuts in this?
00;50;42;25 - 00;51;08;14
Yeah. That's nuts in this server. God, yeah. He just, like, he got too much for his own good. And if I can, it's got salmonella. Yeah. Okay. Like, what a weird, like I don't. Yeah, it's just. But I know, and there's no explanation or anything. It's like maybe like Dorothy, like heard like she's. Well, no, she's she's outside.
00;51;08;14 - 00;51;31;09
I was gonna say she heard, like, subconsciously. Like her brain heard. Like him fighting in the hospital about, like his dinner. You know, I'm allergic to eggs. Why would you make me this omelet? You know I'm allergic to eggs if I can. Is trying to take over his job by feeding him an omelet. No, we got to go back and watch, because maybe in the, in his office, there's a big sign that says caution.
00;51;31;09 - 00;51;43;06
Doctor is allergic to eggs. Don't feed the doctor eggs? No eggs allowed. Like a circle with a line through it.
00;51;43;08 - 00;52;05;26
It's like the buster symbol is like that. But it's like an egg. It's an egg. A sunny side up. Oh, God. That's funny. Think like, Yeah. And then they destroy the Gnome King by just. Well, he destroys himself, and, she gets her. That was cool. When he's got the fucking ruby slippers on. Oh, yeah. What a drag moment,
00;52;05;28 - 00;52;28;16
Did I come expecting that? I said, yeah. In that moment he's the gnome queen. Yes. He like, he like, he like he knows letters of letters, pulls them back under is real. But she, she gets him back in. And I wonder why you see this a why hasn't he just asked to become a person. Not the slippers.
00;52;28;16 - 00;52;47;21
They can do anything. They can grant and wishes. Oh, he could just feel the slippers. Can. Yeah, yeah. Like, hey, I'd like to be a person though, because wasn't like, oh, okay. The great and powerful eyes turn out to be like a hoax right. In the first one he was like it was just like the guy behind the screen.
00;52;47;21 - 00;53;08;02
And he was just because I was going to say where's where's Oz and all this. But now, now I'm remembering that he was just, it was all an illusion. It was okay. Yeah. The slippers can grant the wishes. Yeah. Why didn't he just click them together and wish to be a human? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Oh.
00;53;08;02 - 00;53;31;19
The scarecrow, the scarecrow. Yeah. I'm thinking, like, he looks so, like, silly. Oh, like, why would they make him like that? But then I found out that, like, all of these characters are, like, really close to the way they were drawn in the the books. Yeah, I think TikTok had, like, a actual, like, beard, but. Yeah, let me in this, his little his little mustache was cool.
00;53;31;19 - 00;53;50;28
But yeah. So I was like, Scarecrow looks kind of silly, but that's why they that's why they did it. It's funny because a lot of people actually think that Scarecrow is, like, scary because he's so fucking like, he just looks unhinged. I guess in this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, that's that's, that's the return to Oz.
00;53;50;28 - 00;54;15;19
Dorothy gets their slippers. They go back to, like, the, I guess it's mommy's castle, which she's locked away now. Yeah. And, they're all telling Dorothy that they want her to be the Queen of Oz, which I guess in another deleted scene, the scarecrow. They're asking her to be queen because Scarecrow, like, takes the crown off, and he's like, I never wanted to be the king of Oz.
00;54;15;20 - 00;54;31;22
Like, I don't really want to do it. You do it. She's like, no, I want to go home and then like, okay, go home. And she's like, oh, do we go home yet? Yeah. And then goes, who's come out somewhere? Which is another little thing that we could have gone probably a little bit more information about. Yeah.
00;54;31;22 - 00;54;51;25
She comes out of the fucking mirror, which. So she drowned, right. The girl, I mean, in the escape, she'll. Oh, she did get into that room awfully quick with the pumpkin. Yeah. And she left off a quick two without opening the door. She didn't open the door when she left. No. Wow. She just turned around. Dorothy just turned around.
00;54;51;25 - 00;55;16;23
She was gone. Okay. Yeah. She's Batman. Yeah. She's clearly. I mean, that's clearly Ozma. Like. Yeah. And I don't know if if we go back and watch it too, you'd have to see us like when they're running away. If the nurse like acknowledges her at all. Oh yeah. You know what I mean. So yeah. You know I wasn't paying attention when we first watched it, but I don't know if the nurse is a nurse trying to help that other girl at all.
00;55;16;23 - 00;55;36;12
I don't know if she is. That's a good point. You know, to see even. Is it just a figment of her imagination? Right. But. Well, no. I mean, everything else is brought from the real world into Oz. Oh, I see, unless Oz was, like, coming out into the real world to, like, bring her back. Yeah, to get her back.
00;55;36;12 - 00;56;06;22
Because to save them. Yeah, yeah. So then Oz is real or not. Maybe Dorothy is just psychotic, I don't know. Yeah, she might just be a psychotic child. Child? Yeah, yeah. But anyways, we get back to the real world. Henry, uncle Henry finds her, and, we see that the nurse is being hauled away by the police in a carriage with a little prison carriage, isn't carriage?
00;56;06;22 - 00;56;41;01
Yeah, and that's it. That's. They go back home. Dorothy sees Ozma in the fucking mirror again. But she's like, don't tell anybody, you crazy psycho. You know for sure that hospital burned down. Okay. That's right. Yeah, but they'll find another one. Have lobotomies been invented yet? I don't know, I don't know. Let's see, when we're lobotomies invented or on our website, I don't word I don't think they were lobotomies invented.
00;56;41;03 - 00;57;02;06
The first modern lobotomy was performed by a Portuguese neurologist, Antonio Moniz, in November 1935. Yeah. I was gonna say in Lisbon. So not quite, but they'll just keep her in a room until the 30s, and then, you know, she'll be in her 40s and they'll be like, all right, we're just going to get rid of a little piece of your brain.
00;57;02;06 - 00;57;05;17
No.
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Yeah. That's it. That's returned to us. Let's now go over our favorite reveals and return to us.
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All right. We're going to do a speed round recap of all the reveals and return to Oz. Now, unfortunately, I don't have alternate titles to these, so it's going to be a sad day for all our listeners out there. Yeah, I'm sure. All right. Number one is the storm and the experiment that like, sets all this into motion.
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Number two is the rocks that Dorothy, sees. Or actually, she doesn't see them. They just say, wait, wait. Okay, so storm of the century. Okay, okay, okay, we got to do an alternate title. Okay? Also known as storm of the century. Number two is the, the rocks that see Dorothy. And they go tell the Nome King that she's there, also known as.
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So it can be like Dwayne Johnson or something like, do you smell what the rock is like, Narcan or like, you know, is there talent on them? Okay. Yeah, yeah. Also known as do you smell it? The rock is Narcan.
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All right. Number three is, beware the wheelers. Also known as impractical villains. Impractical. Let me just also known as. Why are you scared that they were just. All they can do is run you over, and they probably can't. Number four is Princess mommy. And, Hall of Heads. Okay. Also known as, Princess mom. Be more like Princess Zombie with all these fucking fake ass heads she's wearing, I don't know, no.
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That's good. Yeah. She doesn't have a head. She doesn't. The headless horseman, the headless. She uses the wheelers as her horses. The headless Wheeler woman. She gets. Up the headless Wheeler woman I don't know. I'm not good at this. Okay. Yeah, let's go with that. Let's go with number four. Princess. Mom, be in the hall. Heads. Also known as the headless Wheeler.
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Woman number five, Princess mommy, take two during the Powder of Life scene. And this is also known as Princess mommy, Princess mommy and the. I don't know, because she gave him the powder live. So he she woke him up. So she says, mommy, I don't know, we'll just go with Princess mommy. Okay, Princess. Mommy. Yeah. We don't I don't know to expect you to explain.
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Shit. Number six is Dorothy and her army. Meet the gnome king, also known as. This is pure snow. Do you know the street value of this mountain is you? And what army? The kiss army.
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Yeah. You and what army? The kiss army number seven is, the Gnome Kings. Gnomes, also known as a gnome named Norm. Don't eat those eggs. Oh, so this one is a better one for these men with the rockets cooking because of the egg? Yeah. Elina. Oh, Balina drops a deuce. Lena. But, Lena, I hate positively myself. It's so fucking gross.
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I can't believe I said drop to do I hate that, I hate that Lena kills with her close school kiss. The colossal kiss of death. But like a kiss of death.
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All right. Number seven is the Gnome Kings. Gnomes, also known as the colossal kiss of death. This is terrible. Sorry. Okay. I'm glad we got to that. Now, what is your, favorite reveal in return to us? Well, if I could remember the name. Oh, okay. We'll get there. Just you, you pointed out, and we'll get there.
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My favorite reveal is, Princess mom, be in the Hall of Heads, aka the headless Wheeler woman. Okay, because I just love that. Like I said, it's like, just. I just thought it was so cool, and I just I love it. This is something that's never that I've never seen in a movie. And I think it's. I think it's neat.
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Yeah. Yeah. Scary. It was definitely like, this is one of the things that I remember about this movie is that as soon as she walked into, like, mommy's Castle and like, it was all like, mirrors and gold, I was like, oh, shit, I remember this, okay? I know how vain, you know, because I'm just thinking about the mirror thing now.
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But she obviously is, like, so vain to, like, just wants to look at herself all the time. Yeah. You know. Yeah. I'm going to go with I want to say so. Okay. So I'm going to go with beware the Wheelers, also known as Impractical Villains. Just because when I think of Return to Oz, this is what has just stuck with me forever is the wheelers.
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But I think that's, for most children our age, you know, most adults our age who had seen this when they were kids, probably wheelers stick with them because they're, I think. Sorry, but if I was just seeing this for the first time as an adult, I would definitely pick the storm of the century. The first reveal which like the the scary hospital and like the chase through there and the fucking gurneys and she's like strapped down, which is scary.
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And then there to escape and then the storm outside. And that would be my favorite as a new viewer. But yeah, that is a good one. But, I'm going to have to go with beware the wheelers impractical villains. Beware the weirdos. Okay. Yeah. And like, where do they get spray paint?
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Israel I don't know, I don't know. This conversation has made me question a few things. Yeah. All right. Well, that was interesting, too, because I'm thinking about, like, The Chronicles of Narnia and how similar these stories are. Okay, I'm not so familiar with that. I know, like, she goes into I mean, it's the same, but yeah, they go into a fantasy world and have to try to save it, essentially.
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Okay, which came first? Let's find out. Oh yeah. We're on our research game today. That's right. Oh, no. Definitely. Was your loss. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. The books originally published between 50 and 56 of Narnia. Yeah. Narnia books were 58. That is okay. Yeah. Gotcha. RIP. All right, well, now it's time for a segment that we like to call the real monster.
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I just have one. I've got aunt M for leaving Dorothy at the doctor. Oh, yeah, at the strange doctor. Like, that was just awful. I couldn't believe she did it. I did hear that in the original script. We find out that and M feels bad for leaving Dorothy at the doctors. So she goes home and she gets Uncle Henry, and they go back to get Dorothy to pick her up.
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And that's why they are there looking for her. When I mean, it makes sense. They're searching for her because they because they came back. It's only been an hour and a half. Yeah. So. Yeah. Yeah. That's true.
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So. Yeah. So, like, I kind of get like. And M is my real monster for doing that, but I kind of like, okay, she did feel bad. It doesn't excuse the fact that she did it, but she felt bad. And they went back to get her and and, Yeah. So. But I'm sticking with them. You suck.
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Yeah. Well, you got, so mine is, I don't know, I guess the kiss army minus Gump because, it would be when they bring him back to life, because, you know, he's upset about the fact that he is now alive again without a body. And I agree with that. You brought this thing to life with a sofa as a body, with little couch legs that are, like, three inches tall.
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And then he loses the sofa, and now he's got nothing, and he's just a head on a board. Imagine living like that. Well, they should stick him in the. They should stick him in the Pirates cove at Waldameer. Yeah. Maybe he's a nobody. I ain't got nobody. Do. Yeah. The Pirates Cove is is like a walk through funhouse haunted house kind of thing at an amusement park in Erie Pennsylvania.
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That's pretty sweet. Yeah, I love that dude. I remember I begged my mom when I was a kid to take me in there to Pirates Cove. I said, please, can we go? Please come? And she's like, no, you're gonna be scared. I said, no, I won't, I won't, I won't, I won't. And I came out of that place bawling.
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I was crying so hard. Yeah. Oh my God. It's funny because we recently talked about the wacky shark too. So this is kind of very similar to the wacky shark but it's a walk through instead of. Yeah. And when you're at wall to me it's like it's like they're right next to each other 20ft away. It's like it's like the scary corner of Waldameer.
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Yeah. Scary for.
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And now for our last segment, would you survive a return to arts?
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Everybody survived except much so I think so. That's fucked up. Yeah. So I think I'd be fun. Yeah. I mean, nobody, you know, unless you fell into the deadly desert or which that's a very, you know, a very strong case. So you could have very easily touched sand. It's true. And fell in there. That's true, I guess. Really.
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That's it. Like everybody, you know, nobody can turn to stone anymore. Yeah. A ten year old girl was able to survive. I think a book. That's true. Unless you picked the wrong ornament, then you'd also get fucking turned into. Then you'd be stuck there. As I was real.
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Well, that makes. Yeah. I'm curious. Like, I wonder what would happen if Dorothy chose the wrong ornament. Like, what? Did she just wake up and be like, oh, that sucked. Yeah. Damn. I don't know. I want to say I'd survived, but. But you've made a case against yourself, so. Yeah, I'm kind of scared that I would pick the wrong.
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There's a lot of fucking ornaments in there. I don't think I would be smart enough to be like, oh, look at this green thing. Although Dorothy didn't really look around. No she didn't. She just disappeared. And then, like, she touched, like the next thing. Well, because she didn't see where he went. Yeah. I mean, okay, I think they were trying to see, like, where he was placed as an ornament, but there was too much stuff.
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Yeah, yeah. Oh, good. All right, well, that's returned to Oz. That is our second movie in our Scary Tales triple feature. Danny's not here to introduce his next movie, so I'll do it for him. Our next movie coming up to round out our Scary Tales triple feature is Guillermo del Toro's Pan's Labyrinth, which is really fucking good.
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I haven't watched it since it came out. Okay. See, I didn't see it when it came out, but I saw it. Maybe, I don't know, I'm bad. I'm bad about this. But maybe, like, six years ago, I saw it, for the first time, and, it's good. It's really good. Not sure how scary it is, but, I mean, this was very, like, the subject matter is scary, I guess.
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Oh, yeah. But, it's what I remember in terms of, like, monsters and stuff, but it's it's beautiful. It's it's really well made. I'm excited to watch it again. So I am too. That's going to be our next movie and scary Tales. Make sure to follow how I Met Your Monster on Instagram TikTok. Oh, TikTok. Just like the fucking robot.
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Make sure to join us for Pan's Labyrinth. And until then, thank you all for listening. Now go meet some monsters.