We’re kicking off our INTERNATIONAL EEKS triple feature with Andrzej Żuławski’s 1981 cult classic Possession. Sam Neill and Isabelle Adjani’s infamous Berlin breakdown becomes the backdrop for one of cinema’s strangest monsters—a slimy, seductive tentacled being. We dig into the film’s 6 monster reveals, the unforgettable subway scene, the Cold War paranoia beneath the story, and how themes of love, control, and identity feed into the horror. In our conversation on Possession, we found a great balance of serious analysis and our usual off-the-rails banter. From James Bond to human dildos, we explore what makes this monster introduction so disturbing and iconic.
We’re kicking off our INTERNATIONAL EEKS triple feature with Andrzej Żuławski’s 1981 cult classic Possession. Sam Neill and Isabelle Adjani’s infamous Berlin breakdown becomes the backdrop for one of cinema’s strangest monsters—a slimy, seductive tentacled being. We dig into the film’s 6 monster reveals, the unforgettable subway scene, the Cold War paranoia beneath the story, and how themes of love, control, and identity feed into the horror. In our conversation on Possession, we found a great balance of serious analysis and our usual off-the-rails banter. From James Bond to human dildos, we explore what makes this monster introduction so disturbing and iconic.
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Today we kick off our International Eeks triple feature with Andrzej Żuławski’s Maze through the horrors of companionship. The men are possessive. The horror is transgressive, and it turns out that some couples are more divided than the Berlin Wall. As we awkwardly overhear a couple's heated argument at the local cafe about a horny demon squid monster in possession, you're listening to how I Met Your Monster.
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A podcast that explores the introductions to your favorite movie monsters. My name is Zack. I'm Danny and I'm Casey, and together we dive into the world of horror to find out how filmmakers have introduced us to our favorite monsters time and time again. This is how I Met Your Mother. Oh.
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Welcome to how I Met Your Monster. The show where we discuss the introductions to your favorite movie monsters. Today is the start of a brand new triple feature, international X. These are all going to be movies from other parts of the world. Kind of. Kind of. That's how the journey started. Yeah, because I think it's filming takes place in Louisiana.
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Louisiana at least to at least two out of three movies are all spoken in English. Not no in Indiana. Yeah, but that's why it's the only true international League. Yeah. This, today we're talking about possession, which was made by a Polish filmmaker and filmed in Berlin. And this was his first. What we lose in the English, the English language, we make up for multiple different cultures.
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Yeah. Intertwined. Yeah. It's a melting pot. So this is, this is possession, written and directed by Andrzej Żuławski. And this was his first and only, I think, English language film. It's 1981. It's got a really, really young Sam Neill dude who looks. I mean, if I don't introduce, like many of us, if you're introduced to Sam Neill through Jurassic Park, it's kind of, a shock to see if I would have watched this movie first.
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I don't think I would have ever watched another Sam Neill. Oh, really? Oh, my God, I hated him for so many reasons. He looks scary. He's fucking scared. Ill. He's scary. Just is. Ooh, I don't like it. Yeah. His lip is so thin on the top. And the way that it sits on his teeth and is weird, like little smirks that he does.
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Well, I think so many people are used to him from Jurassic Park. Yeah, yeah. This is a guy who's so embedded in horror. Like, between this and Event Horizon. The omen three. Three. Right. Yeah. Three in the mouth of Madness. He's a creepy dude. I bet Spielberg saw this movie while he was casting Jurassic Park and he needed like someone really charming saw Sam Neill and was like him.
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Yeah. No, because he's just he exudes so much charm and and he was serving in this movie and I'll just be like, no, but like very how I like I said, most of us were introduced to him. Most of us of our age were introduced to him through Jurassic Park. And so you think like when you see him in a horror movie, you're like, oh, that's cool.
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The guy from Jurassic Park, Sam Neill, is in a horror movie. That's neat. But then Danny, like you mentioned, he's in so many horror movies, like he's kind of almost like a horror movie staple, and you're just like, you don't think about Sam Neill as a horror movie staple, but he is. And and the irony is that Jurassic Park, we decided, is a horror movie.
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It's just a different flavor. That's true. That's true. Go check out our episode on Jurassic Park. It's a good one. But today we're not talking about Jurassic Park. We're talking about possession from 1981, starring Sam Neill and Isabelle Adjani. Who is basically like the French version of Meryl Streep. She won, she won Best actress at the Cannes that can for this movie.
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And she's also won, I think like 4 or 5, Cesar Awards, which is like the French Oscars essentially for pizza. Yeah. I think, I didn't I thought that she was good in this movie when she was like, going over the top. But her regular acting, I was not hurt. Sam Neill when they were just doing their, like, normal thing.
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Well, not normal things, but like, it was very soap opera, so I was I thought that too. And I was wondering if it was kind of deliberate because she is kind of when we meet her, she's very like numbed, like, I feel like we're not meeting them at the beginning of the end or meeting them at the end.
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And she is so like, I feel like she has to be so kind of cut off so that we understand her kind of really rapid transition into what the version that we see her later where it's like, yeah, she can only hold it in so much. That it ends up like exploding that maybe like it comes off as kind of numbed and no, I just wanted Farrah that was just my like I was trying I was trying to like understand that too because it did feel there was like a melodrama to it.
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Yeah, it was very soap opera. It also didn't help that I didn't know what this movie really was. I only knew her from that. Yeah. That famous scene where she's running. Yeah. I just assumed like, oh, possession. Probably a demon possession movie. So I didn't know where it was going, but, which, you know. Yeah. Like, that's that subway scene where she just loses it, or it's like she's has a miscarriage in that scene.
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But that's like the scene that everybody talks about. And yes, her performance in that bit right there is incredible. Because like something like takes over her right. But I much more enjoyed her performance in the rest of the movie when she was like when they were fighting and she was to me, I mean I'm not an actor, but to me that seems more challenging and like impressive then.
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Yeah. Flailing around in the subway by yourself, by yourself, which you're like, I am not trying to like downplay that, like that to be incredibly hard to like go there, but just like from like a viewer standpoint, like I want to see her. I like watching her in the other scenes. More like I think that's just a testament to the movie and her performance.
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So I think that's actually like a compliment. The fact that, like, that's the thing that everyone remembers from this movie, but the fact that she can she's giving so many different, there's so many layers to her performance that, yeah, those stood out even more to you or like, resonated more. It's just speaks to her performance. Sure, sure.
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Yeah. So you guys had never seen this before, and it's, you know, it's funny because I actually I had only seen it once before this, and I enjoyed it a lot more. On the second viewing that I watched the other night. And so it'd be interesting to see, like if you guys watched it again, you know why you liked it more?
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Because I think I knew what was going to happen and so I could just like because it is just like even like the editing is very jarring. It's almost like, okay, are we over here now or what happened? How much time has passed, like what's going on? And that could be like even the way the movie is filmed is he apparently wanted his cinematographer not.
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Apparently he wanted a cinematographer to shoot everything from a wide angle, so it feels very theater. Okay, then there's also an element to it where there's a lot of like inner dialog and inner feelings and stuff that is expressed vocally. Like there's that scene later on in the movie when she's basically just like talking about her feelings.
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Which reads very much like a novel, like the way a character would express themselves in a book. Right. So we're getting like it's still strange to see that sort of depiction of a character and a story and like a breakdown into madness on film. So I think but I think that was done obviously, like deliberately to kind of make you feel like uncomfortable and to kind of, feel lost on the journey and the way that the journey is being told.
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To which I thought was really cool. So I yeah, to your point, I could see how like seeing this, although it's a hard movie, I'd be it might be a while before I come back to watch this, not because it was bad or I didn't like it, but because it was just so intense. Right? And on top of that, like from watching some of the I watched part of the commentary on the on the Blu ray for this, but, you know, they didn't they had like only like a few weeks to shoot this whole movie.
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And so he had talked about like camera setups and things where it's like they couldn't do a bunch of different angles and a bunch of different things of the same scene. They had to just shoot it to, you know, to make their days and that just to me, talks about how like restraints can make things better. You know, when you have like the freedom to do whatever, sometimes things aren't as good because you just there's no thought into him.
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It's just like, oh, we can shoot this from 12 different angles and then figure it out later. But like to your point, like I think his restraints helped tell that story the way that you just described, where it's like things play out in front of you in like these wide angles and like part of it could be basically what I'm saying is I think they feed into each other like, yeah, the way you can tell the story this way and the restraints is that like, well, we don't have any other choice.
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We have to just like shoot this way. And it it makes for a more compelling story. You say that because there is also there is some drama behind the scenes. When it came to the creation of the monster. Yes. Carlo Rambaldi, who did the creature effects, thought he had more time and money to basically pull off the the creature that we see later on in the movie, and he didn't.
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So there are actually quite a few scenes that ended up cutting out. The monster is supposed to be much more prevalent in the movie. So obviously that they couldn't they they physically were. It was impossible. But I think that also obviously like affected the the tone and the in the style and the feel of the. So it almost kind of works in its favor to have this thing that feels like it should be prominent just showing up here and there and these little moments to kind of it really does kind of show disorient you a little bit because it's like, oh, I thought I was watching this movie and then it takes a turn.
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We are like, oh, she's killing people. Then. Oh, there's a squid demon. Yeah. And I feel like if you saw that too much, maybe I don't want to think it would be bad, but, just like you said, like it. The constraints shaped this movie and in ways that you can't really plan for. Right. Although they said they did say the director never forgave him.
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The creature. Yeah. Rambaldi. Who made it even he designed it. And, Fuck. What else did you, like came to set with? Like, like literally unfinished stuff. Yeah. And the director was like, are you. You're kidding. Right? We have to film this tomorrow. We, you know, like, I think, like, in a few days, he's like, you have two days.
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Yeah. To figure this out. Well, because there's no, like, wiggle room. Yeah. And he did the he did the effects on Close Encounters and I guess he told the director like he was like dude, like on Close Encounters we had like weeks to shoot this alien thing. And Zoosk is like, no, we have to shoot the whole movie in weeks.
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Like, do you do it? That is just insane. But Casey, did you know there was going to be a, squid, octopus, semen, blood squirting semen? Demon fucking onesie that lets semen in the our movies lately. Yeah, I don't know. I don't like it at all. I do not like it. But, Casey, did you know it was going to be in there, so.
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Okay. Did this measure up to your, No. We all have our flavors on this show. I hated this movie. You have you really? No, I'm just kidding, I loved it. Oh, I mean, it definitely has a it definitely has a Casey ending. Oh, yeah. She's. No, I loved it a lot. Actually. I, it was over two hours and there wasn't a single point that I was.
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And, you know, I had texted you guys and said, like, I'm without a doubt going to fall asleep because I could tell as soon as I turned on that it was a slow burn. And then you'd confirm that with me. But, there still wasn't a single part of it that didn't interest me or keep my attention. Yeah, yeah, it takes enough.
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It just. It takes the right amount of twists and turns. Oh, yeah. Is it? You really don't know where it's going? Yeah. Like you said, this it and it being different at every turn, like, I, I really enjoy it because it kind of had like, you know, I had a lot of different horror aspects in it, you know, from like psychological horror to like, right, or to write thriller, like blood guts like, and then even drama, you know, it at the core of it, it's just a fucking drama, really.
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But. Well, yeah. So this was only the second time I had seen this. And when you text, I was like, yeah, it's a slow burn. And then I turned it on and like, they immediately start fighting, almost like, you know, five minutes. And I was like, oh, okay. Maybe it's not as slow of a burn as I thought it was.
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Yeah, it's kind of the movie, sort of like the, Neapolitan ice cream where you got the chocolate, you got the vanilla, you got the. Yeah, but the only, the only good thing is the vanilla, so. Oh, it's chocolate strawberry. I hate chocolate and strawberry ice cream. I think it's more like, more like a moose. Tracks where you've got the fudge swirled throughout, you know.
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Is that what Moose Tracks is? Yeah, it's got the fudge and the little, the little did the, in bar cuts. Oh, Mike Emmett as most tracks, my favorite ice cream was so good. What in God's name? I know you're trying to be cute by talking about little peanut butter cups, but you almost sounded like Cartman. Like I'm no, no, I wasn't trying to be cute.
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I just love a little paper cup. It. That's funny. Oh my God, no Panda cam! Oh, God. But yeah, speaking about runtimes of this movie, this was released, in 1981, and the US version was released in 1983, and they cut 40 minutes. Yeah. That's why when I said, like, I liked every part of it, what did they take out?
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Yeah. So I don't know. All of it. I know one part. They use a lot of like optical effects on the film to like to cut things out. So for example, in the full version Mark seas and fucking the squid monster, right. And she's like almost almost almost it's like what are you going to fuck. You're about to come and say like he's, he's almost like fully formed but.
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Right after that he goes to like Marge's house and there's like a shootout with the cops and all this stuff, and he gets shot and then he's on his motorbike. You remember all that in the, US version when she's saying, like, almost. And then it looks at him, they like, almost like invert the footage. So it's like a weird it's all like, colored weird.
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And then they zoom in on his eye and then it cuts right to him driving the motorbike and crashing it in the thing. And so like, they just, like, took out that whole chunk. It's just very strange. Is arguably the most like when you think about what you would keep in a movie that studios might think like, this is what an American audience wants.
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They want shoot out, shoot out. Yeah, we love shooting. Wow, did you really miss the mark? But I also edited another score to it to to make it feel more like spooky. Yeah. There was more music added and I like, I like to score a lot in this and I like, oh yeah. Very much of it.
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Yeah. Yeah. One thing that they added in the American version that is not in the original version was during that miscarriage scene in the subway. She, like, shows her hands and there's a, there's a closeup of her hands and there's, like, eyeballs in her hands and, like, it's kind of fun. Yeah. They they added that you're saying.
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Or they took it out. No, they added that in the American version. That is not in the original version. How the hell did you just add? Well, it was it was shot. So there's a production still of, Isabella and Johnny's got, like, her hands up and it's like a behind the scenes photo, and you can see the the eyeballs in her hands.
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I kind of like it, but I guess I would, I would just he just decided to cut that. What piece out? What was the point at what would the point of the eyeballs be? Oh, I don't know. Maybe that's why he cut it out. Yeah, because maybe he filmed it and then he was like, this doesn't make sense.
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So I thought she was like, it's cool. It was like, maybe I misunderstood this movie. You guys. I thought she was birthing the monster that she like. She was, like, miscarrying, like on a symbolic level. Like miscarrying. Like all the shit from her past. Yeah. I didn't know that it was an actual baby, but I still don't know what that would mean.
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What, like, did you see the stuff that came out of her? Yeah, but I don't believe a lot of this was actually real. Okay. Anyway. Okay, that's my believe. So yeah. It's like that where it's like, is this all symbolism? Is it symbolism that is paired with the reality in the story world of the movie, or is it just real and we're overthinking it.
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Their house at one point is a complete disaster. But I think that's all like in them because Margie comes over and doesn't. How do you go to a house like that that's normally clean with a child in it, and not even notice? The poor kid I know, knob Bob. You know what I mean, though? Yeah, yeah. Like, it's like their perception of the situation, like.
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Yeah. The way more messy even when he comes home. I know we're, like, jumping forward, but like, when he comes home, when he sees Bob, like, everything's a mess and he's like, this is what happens when, you know, I leave you alone with your mom, who's clearly not taking care. And she comes home and she's like, okay, I was a little late.
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This isn't that big of a deal. Like, you're totally over, you're making this much bigger than it is. So I think that's a that's a good read. I like that, I tend to maybe it's bad that I kind of default to this whenever I watch a movie where it's like, is it is it a real monster or is it just a representation I tend to like just want it to be real.
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Yeah. But yeah, I think for this particular movie maybe your reading is more makes more sense. Yeah. I don't know just because what it feels like. Well and then and Heinrich did he mentioned the, the demon thing like because he goes and he talks about how she's killing people, but he doesn't say anything about the. Oh yeah.
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Even, the guy, Emanuel's lover, he kind of I mean, obviously he sees Emmanuel's corpse. Like, he kind of doesn't even acknowledge it. Really. Right? You think he's going to acknowledge it, but then he's like Emmanuel. Yeah, that's true. Because Heinrich, you know, he sees the body and he sees the creature in the corner and like, does it.
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How does he see like tentacles on it? It has like a weird long head with like, oh yeah, I on the side of it. Oh. Kind of like a split head. Yes, yes, it is like a squid. Yeah. Because I was thinking like maybe he saw it and like, just thought it was like a dead body, but well he might have it, it did have, like, that weird head, but he doesn't say anything about that.
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Yeah. He just says she's, you know, that's that's interesting because later when Mark we don't when he looks in the fridge and we only see his talking about Jurassic Park and Spielberg, we just see his reaction. We don't see what's in the fridge until later. And you're thinking like, oh, is it the monster? And it's it's the severed body parts.
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So maybe there's there's something there to to be drawn from what Heinrich Heinrich sees. Yeah. Well, when Mark looks in the fridge, we already knew what was in there. Yeah, we did. We saw paying attention this. We. Well, there was a lot. So you're just getting a little. Okay, well, let's let's head to Berlin and meet a squid demon.
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What did you call it? A semen demon. Oh, semen demon, a semen demon. Yeah. But before we do that, if you are not subscribed to our show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or even YouTube now, go ahead and subscribe now so you don't miss, the rest of this triple feature. International X, and also reviews and ratings on Spotify and Apple are just a great way to help us get the word out to new listeners.
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And also, we just want to hear what you think of the show, what works, what doesn't work. Let us know, because we always want to be improving. So I also in your review, I want to hear what you think about my new addition, my elf ears. Oh, yeah. If you're not watching this, if you're not watching this on YouTube and you're just listening to it, Danny, who is, freshly into Dungeons and Dragons, is now an elf.
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Actually, I'm a forest gnome, but, a forest gnome. Okay, he's got the ears. So I think we should start a GoFundMe for my elf. Your surgery. Because, you know, I've been trying to do that for a long time. We all get healthier surgery. Did you not know that? No, I didn't know that. Oh, my God, I've wanted healthier surgeries since I was, like, 18 years old.
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I know that. Dang. Yes. I want to get my ears to surgically look like else. I just cut a triangle out of them and then sew them together. Do people actually get this done? Yes. Are we doing it? This is fascinating. I, I got to go on such a deep dive after this recording and people saying like, oh, like now obviously it's more, I would say accepted.
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But like when I first started talking about it, people were like, oh, people more will hire you if you have elf ears and like, they're going to think I'm fucking deformed. They're not going to say shit about my ears, or they're going to think you're really skilled because you have elf powers. That's right. I'm an elf. They're like, oh my God, is she like, oh, she's very graceful and does things.
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Oh my God, this passes mortal. That's right. Or anyway. Sorry, graceful. Me you're super graceful. And you do stuff like really fast. Yeah, yeah. You're hired. I should have known with the ears. I just didn't want to comment on it. It's a great résumé builder to have those. Elf is. Yeah. See, I did this. I did that, by the way.
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I'm an elf. I'm. All right, anyway, let's go to, let's go to Berlin.
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And I'm.
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A little. Okay, so for possession, we have six official monster reveals. If you're brand new to the show, a monster reveal is any time that the monster in the movie is revealed to a character in the movie, or to us as an audience and position as six of them. Now, this was my pick for our international X triple feature.
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So I'm going to read the synopsis from IMDb. A woman starts exhibiting increasingly disturbing behavior. Disturbing behavior. We talk about that the universe wants us to do that movie, so it does. A woman starts exhibiting increasingly disturbing behavior after asking her husband for a divorce. Suspicions of infidelity soon give way to something much more sinister.
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Okay, I like it because it's it's really big. Yeah. And, the writer director on J. Joel Suki Joshi. Excuse me? This was partially autobiographical. Like his wife, his ex-wife took her their son and left with another man who he describes is somewhat like Heinrich. He said he said, the guy she left him for was not as interesting as Heinrich.
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And his ex-wife is not as intelligent as Anna is. And that's. Well, I would argue that Heinrich is just a caricature of a real person anyway. He's not. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it comes off as kind of like there's like a mystique to him when you hear about him. He's so cool. Interesting. Until little by little he starts to be, like, unpacked and like, you're weird, so.
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But least but like, by his, by his downfall. I've, like, connected with him. And I felt bad because he was, like, the only one with his head on straight. He was like, oh, he was. But then he takes a turn. I'm not a huge, you know, like, I don't know a lot about movies like you guys do.
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And so maybe this is, like, really far off, but this movie felt very, like, very much like a Stanley Kubrick movie to me. Okay. Besides, like, the demon parts of it, but Heinrich, when he first meets Mark, he's very much like part of the Clockwork Orange gang to me. Like in that house. The way that he stays so weird.
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Yeah. And the way that he like Karate Jackson. And I was like, felt like he was part of the gang from A Clockwork Orange. Yeah, well, he's like another. He's like, on another level of something because, like, right when Mark comes in, he like, he's like touching him and he's like. Like, you know Heinrich is like one with the universe or he's like what Cassie said earlier about like kind of like we're seeing the movie as the characters are perceiving their own reality.
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So like Mark is like Heinrich must be this like, yeah. Elevated version of a man, you know. Sure. So fascinating. So when he meets him, he's like, you know, he is karate chopping like, oh, wow, he's even versed in, like, martial arts. Like, yeah, he's stronger than me. Yeah. There's a are so intelligent and worldly. Yeah. Look how interesting he is.
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And confident in his movements and the way he talks. And but then when you really think about it, it's just like this lonely dude who's. I don't know, it's it is. It's just Mark's perception, which then gets broken down until it's whether he kills them. Yeah, yeah, but the toilet. What's it again? It's like, I feel like that is even kind of like a commentary on, like the way Mark sees him, like.
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Yes. So you're going to go, I could kill you anyways. I'm going to kill you with the toilet. It was so gross how he killed them. That was disgusting. Yeah. You. This is exactly what. I just thought about like this. Breaking said. It's disgusting on so many levels. Like the fact that fucking Mark pulls it like a chicken feather or like a bird feather out of the garbage and tickles his throat with it, and then pukes in the toilet and then stuff.
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Heinrichs passed out, face. Oh my God. Hey, you gotta do what you gotta do. Yeah. That's right. Well, the fittest. But you know, in that bathroom scene where Heinrich is like, dude, we have to do something. Anna is killing people, and you're just like, chill about it. I was kind of like, yeah, Heinrich, you tell him, but I think there's something he said.
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I know we're, like, jumping around a lot. He's right. There's something to be said about how, like, Mark and Heinrich are, are. You know, the movie's a lot about, like, I mean, the title possession. It's like this idea of, like, taking possession of another person and like the possessive nature of the men in this movie, as experienced by Anna.
00;27;35;07 - 00;28;03;23
And ultimately, and I'm not saying that this is like a win for Mark, but it does show that, like he is willing to accept her in this new kind of like state that she's in with this monster being and the murders. Whereas Heinrich, who's supposed to be the guy that she's like in love with, he he is the elevated version of Mark and like men and all that stuff can't handle it.
00;28;03;23 - 00;28;29;01
So in a weird way, it's like he's actually not committed to her. He is just a fling writer. But I heart also is committed. I wouldn't say committed. I would say possessed, perhaps. Totally. Yeah I yeah, I should, I should just be clear that I don't mean that like Mark therefore is like the better version. It's just. No, I know it also is highlighting his totally and like is infatuation.
00;28;29;01 - 00;28;53;12
I don't think it is love. I think Mark makes it very clear throughout the movie that it isn't about being in love with Hannah. It's about maintaining, a level of, like, what's the word? I'm looking for stability as dictated by society. You know, he keeps saying we need to keep the family together and keep the family together.
00;28;53;12 - 00;29;09;18
Has nothing to do. He even says, like, they said a couple times. So at the movies where it's like, I'm not. It's when I'm not with you, I want you. And when I'm want you, when and when I'm with you, I don't want, I want something else. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think another part of it isn't just there.
00;29;09;18 - 00;29;31;24
Like, possession over each other, but I think like that they can't even possess themselves because they're so asshole. Yeah. You know, everyone's so reliant on each other. Yeah. They don't have any kind of control over their feelings. And they've completely lost, you know what I mean? And so they want to possess each other, but they can't even themselves.
00;29;31;26 - 00;29;53;29
I don't know of that. Yeah. Which is funny because I know that's so much I was going to say like it's the the era in which this movie was made, you know, it's like Cold War and all that stuff, like literally. Apparently this was filmed about a few blocks away from Checkpoint Charlie, which was the main crossing point between East and West Berlin.
00;29;54;02 - 00;30;19;16
So yeah, you see similar sounds throughout. Yeah. The movie so many times. So it's that idea of like oppression and expectations to conform. And to. Yeah. Literally what we're talking about right now just like on a, on a literal physical level. Yeah. Exactly. What were you laughing about. We need to know is it, was it the serious conversation we're having while he's wearing slippers.
00;30;19;18 - 00;30;38;13
I almost could. I was so looking through my I was just like, scanning my notes to see kind of like, where we were at. And, I wrote, I wrote in my notes. I said, Mark sees the teacher who looks just like Bob.
00;30;38;15 - 00;31;05;17
From one. Eye. So to me, he looks just like Anna. But I wrote Bob, like Mark Lazarus. And the distinction, like little Bob. Yep. With the braid and with a dress is like, you look like. It's it's uncanny. I think that wig off. You're my God. And like, I know it was, like, right in the middle of.
00;31;05;17 - 00;31;14;18
You're like, whole thing. And I just. I'm sorry I was trying so hard to hold it in, but every to calm down, I would picture it again.
00;31;14;20 - 00;31;36;13
Oh my God. Have you guys both seen Marriage Story? No. Yes. That's what, like a big marriage story vibes. Yeah. I was almost guarantee, like, I bet I would put money on the fact that if you asked, like Noah Baumbach or like Adam Driver or Scarlett Johansson, like any inspirations they took for Marriage Story, I bet you one of them would say this.
00;31;36;14 - 00;32;00;05
They were like specifically the character Bob we really drew from Bob, really drew from Bob. When, you know that time when I was eating that, peanut butter and jelly sandwich snapping jelly all over my face, I was taken directly from the 1981 film possession, where the character of Bob is left alone to his own devices, and he smears the smears, the jelly on his face.
00;32;00;07 - 00;32;19;03
I don't know why I'm talking like. No, but it is. It's it's similar. Pretentious. Casey. Without I won't spoil anything. But there is. It's that idea of kind of. It's very much the, the cafe scene in this movie, but it's. Which we don't you meet in public, so you don't do that. Isn't that why you meet in public?
00;32;19;05 - 00;32;36;13
So you don't. It's funny you say that because I was thinking this. Yeah, I was thinking that too. There is. Yeah, I, I was, I guessing my read on it was that they do a lot. There's a lot of fighting in public spaces, whether it's in like outside at the coffee shop, even in, like the hallway of their apartment.
00;32;36;13 - 00;32;54;01
And no one I mean, obviously Mark gets violent and they stop him, but no one really comments on it. And like maybe there's more of a read to it. But I was thinking about how when you were I don't know if you guys have ever been in like a tumultuous relationship or anything or like you're just like or what it shows you having a fight with someone.
00;32;54;04 - 00;33;12;29
It feels sort of like nothing else kind of exists. You're just sort of like tunnel vision to it really is like. No, because if you really take a step back in an argument, it's like, okay, there are other ways to look at this. There's a there's a more civil way to kind of, kind of navigate whatever we're fighting about.
00;33;13;03 - 00;33;30;02
But it never feels like that in the at the time. So my read on it was that it's almost like we're feeling what they are seeing, what they're feeling. Yeah, that makes sense. And aren't they facing away from each other. My misremembering there's no they are like really weird. And he's like sitting on one corner and she's on the other corner.
00;33;30;07 - 00;33;51;12
Yeah. And yeah. So maybe there's something maybe there's some levels there that the most important scene in the movie and we just don't understand it. This is why you come to podcasts. You're like, someone's like, I really want to understand the cafe scene. I bet this podcast about that movie will tell us and we're just like, I don't know, listeners, what do you what do you think?
00;33;51;15 - 00;34;10;01
Leave us a review. Yeah, that's the thing. Don't just leave us a review on Apple Podcasts. Leave us a review with your interpretation of the cafe scene from possession. Yes. Yeah. That's your that's your task. And then we'll we'll take those ideas and for another episode we'll do a mini episode. All right, well, let's jump to our first reveal.
00;34;10;01 - 00;34;47;13
And I know we're going to we're going to be jumping around a lot in this movie, much as the movie seems to do with its editing style. So to set this up, Mark hires, private investigating firm. I guess there's most people to. We're going to talk about that. But he hires a PR firm to follow and, and see, like, what she's doing, and, one of the, I guess they're like detectives, one of the their peers, one of the guys, starts to follow keys, and he is just awful, at tailing somebody.
00;34;47;15 - 00;34;55;25
It is comical. Yeah. So awful that she is, like, running and screaming away from.
00;34;55;27 - 00;35;14;27
She she runs and screams away from him. He chases after her. And then once they get into her, like, apartment building, he just like, walks by, like he's going up the steps. Like he just up here. And then he does the little fake walking thing and he kind of like, looks out as though, like someone's. And he does like the heat phase, like.
00;35;14;29 - 00;35;37;25
Yeah, like. And then she been made, he goes back and knocks on her door. However she does let him in. Yeah. Yeah. So people make some questionable choices. And this is funny, but, but yeah, this is our first reveal where he comes into, like, he's like, has this, this, like, front that he's putting on about, like, checking windows for the landlord or something.
00;35;37;27 - 00;36;01;25
And when he's in there on, offers him a glass of wine and he's like, no, I'm reserve, I have kids, or I'm married or this is another, like, caricature over the top. Like the I don't know, it's so weird to see. So comfortable for. Yeah. Well he's like he's like, why, oh why not for me. This. I have a family at the scene.
00;36;01;26 - 00;36;26;09
No. Why would you offer me this beverage? Literally all he had to say was like, hey, it's not even noon, you know? Thanks. Though. Yeah. But he, he goes and checks the windows and, he sees this creature, which I guess is in a bathtub or in a. Well, he and he insists on checking the windows in the bathroom, and she keeps telling him there aren't any.
00;36;26;11 - 00;36;51;00
Oh, yeah. And he was like, no, I gotta check the windows in the back. Wait, can I just go back to the wine really quick? Yeah, let's go back. Do you think that's something about like again, it's sort of it's telling of a man's perspective during a situation like that where know someone just offering someone a glass of wine, they can't help but think like like they're the male quote unquote, like male urge takes over.
00;36;51;00 - 00;37;09;25
And I mean, like, that must mean she wants to get drunk and wants to fuck. And I, you know, it's like, whoa, dude, she's offering you a drink. She's just being hospitable. Yeah, yeah. But I think in that situation, he was too scared. Yeah, I see, because I think, like, he'd be like, oh, yeah, she wants me. You know, he, he's gay.
00;37;09;25 - 00;37;27;24
Like, God, what do I do. Yeah. So he wouldn't be like, oh what is kind of weird that he says, like I have a I have a family. So maybe. Yeah, maybe he's just uncomfortable. Or maybe he doesn't have a family. Yeah, yeah, well, that's the thing, too. God, I feel like you can really pull this apart, and I don't feel like I've thought about it enough.
00;37;27;24 - 00;37;51;28
Yeah. His partner just the other guy. Well, I know, but, like, maybe they don't have children. You know what I mean? Which I can only imagine. In 1981, Berlin probably wasn't. Yeah, it's not right. Yeah. Like. So maybe he's. Maybe it's for about which I don't know how that serves the purpose of the movie, but it's more about him like the anxiety of what a man, quote unquote should do in that situation.
00;37;51;28 - 00;38;18;17
Like, except the glass of wine from a woman. And like, maybe we're going to have sex later. And he's like, oh my God, this is going to get way too far. It can't tell I'm gay because it's not meant that the it's, it's, it's it's just really like he literally got scared straight. Like, oh, she pulls out a bottle of wine and he's like, okay, that's so funny.
00;38;18;19 - 00;38;41;00
Okay. Yeah. Okay. We can move on. I just that was like bothering me. I'm like, I feel like there's something there maybe. And yeah, there is maybe there is it, but okay, so you're not. The wine will end up fucking with them in the end. So yeah, he does get fucked with the wine. And so he goes back to and he sees this, this creature that we've mentioned before, and he just is kind of he's a little baby.
00;38;41;07 - 00;38;59;02
Well, you know, we had talked about like, is this all in her? Like, is this all a fabrication of her mind or is it real? Whatever. Like if it's not real, what is he seeing? I don't know, I didn't say that. It wasn't it. I just said that a lot of it. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying it just.
00;38;59;03 - 00;39;14;05
It just clicked. I was like, oh, because this is presumably the first person she's killed. Yeah. I'm trying to think of like what happened up to this point. Maybe he doesn't really. You know what I mean? Maybe he doesn't really even notice it all that much. And we just think he does because it's in there and we see it.
00;39;14;08 - 00;39;37;24
Yeah I don't know. Well yeah. Because when she kills him, the fact that the fact that we mentioned this earlier that like I even kind of don't remember that happening him noticing it, I just remember him looking out the window. He does seem scared. But like if it isn't her, like if it isn't like a real thing, it's just him going back there and being like realizing there aren't any windows in the bathroom.
00;39;37;26 - 00;40;00;10
It's like, she was right. Oh my god, maybe it's because he's gay, I don't know. And he's like, I told you there wasn't any windows. And she's like, I know what to do. Yeah. But, okay, maybe it's just the state of the apartment. Maybe he's just like, yeah, he sees, like, dirty towels on the floor and, like, not hung up on their acts.
00;40;00;10 - 00;40;06;09
And he's like, oh, like.
00;40;06;11 - 00;40;30;22
But yeah, this guy, like, violent really quickly. Like the amount of blood. Yeah. That was, this is what the movie was. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, oh, because up until that point, I mean, other than like Heinrich karate chopping mark, there hasn't been any blood or violence. It's all just been verbal arguments. And then that just comes like, you see the creature and then she stabs him and there's a lot of blood, and it's just like, Holy shit.
00;40;30;22 - 00;40;54;06
Okay, here we are. And I love that her on his victims are only men who are inserting themselves into her life. You know, without her consent, you know, and trying to control her narrative and sort of like, like, literally, at the end of the day, all Anna wants to do is live independently. She just wants to end a relationship.
00;40;54;13 - 00;41;24;11
She's very honest. She's like, this is not working out. I'm sorry. I know we have a family. It sucks. You know, breakups are hard. We're going to cry. We're going to maybe have some fights. You have to let me go. And the fact that Mark can't just give her that which I get it. You know, breakups hurt, but you can't turn into a fucking psychopath or control someone's life just because it's giving you your perceived idea of what happiness and stability is.
00;41;24;16 - 00;41;41;02
Yeah, it's like there was part of me that felt bad for a second when, like, we're jumping ahead, but like when Emmanuel's partner gets killed, I was like, oh, maybe it's just because I'm like, oh, poor little gay couple. They're struggling. But also it's like, okay, just because you get it doesn't mean you're off the hook. Like you guys are being freaks.
00;41;41;02 - 00;42;02;24
Like, leave this poor woman alone. Yeah. So there is a weird and maybe this is an obvious read, but there is like a catharsis to the murders in this movie. Brianna is getting relief. It's unfortunate that she has to be put in that position. But like, there is this like sense of control that she gets where it's like, I'm removing you from this, from this narrative you're creating for me.
00;42;02;26 - 00;42;35;10
You basically like, did this to yourself. I would almost I would push back a little bit on Emmanuel's love. I don't even know his name. Like the the detective, the I call like the desk guy. The police guy, the desk guy, the desk p.I. Because he was just coming looking for Emmanuel. Like, at that point, he wasn't even concerned, like, with tailing her or doing it, but he was like, I sent Emmanuel out to check on you, you know, to be what we were hired to do, which that is not a good thing.
00;42;35;14 - 00;42;56;03
That's the thing. Maybe that's the thing. It's the broader idea. Okay. He should have been running that organization in the first place. Okay, that makes sense. This is kind of like a for profit, like a, at oh do good things to oh, do they. Yeah. Puppies aren't bad. They're not bad people. I'm not saying that. But it's that idea of like help.
00;42;56;04 - 00;43;14;09
Fine. No questions asked. Yeah. They help, you know what I mean? It's not just about following alone, following someone that you think is cheating on you or something. They help. Yeah, they help get answers. For a lot of people. Yeah. When, when when police force won't do it. Yeah. That that. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Good. But maybe the fact that they do have that element to it.
00;43;14;09 - 00;43;31;03
Yeah. I'm just talking about it in that moment when he goes to the apartment, he's like, I'm just looking for my husband or boyfriend or whatever. Like, I know the last time I sent him out, he was telling you and now no one can find him. So, like, what's that? Maybe that was done deliberately because it didn't have to be like a lover.
00;43;31;05 - 00;43;53;12
So maybe they did that deliberately to kind of. It's not this movie isn't black and white, you know, with on a it's she's not totally innocent in this either. I think this there is a lot of, No, she murders people. Yeah. It's complicated. Yeah. It's like, it's unfortunate that she was driven to a point in her life where whether it's literally it's a Pam Voorhees situation.
00;43;53;14 - 00;44;21;17
So I love Anna, and I support her. No, but, yeah, like, it's unfortunate she had to be driven there. That wasn't her fault. However, that doesn't give her the right. Just like it didn't just like there is like this idea like this you said about possession and control. It's like Marc has no right to possess her. She has no right to like, basically control the fate of the people who get involved in her life and try to control it.
00;44;21;23 - 00;44;48;23
It's very messy, you know? Yeah. Heinrich does say I'm the only one who has any rights to you, because I don't claim any. Oh. What a quote. That's a great quote. Those are chilling. It's also. So, you can see it says so much about his character. Tells you everything. It's like you can see how he can rationalize away to have like, I don't know, like, oh, yeah, it's kind of fucked up.
00;44;48;25 - 00;45;08;13
Very fucked up. Yeah. That says a lot about guys like that where it's like, oh no, I'm a good dude. Oh my God, good guys. Just because you say you're a good dude doesn't mean you're a good dude. You know, like a good dude doesn't have to say he's a good dude. Yeah. Yeah. The guys that call themselves golden retrievers normally.
00;45;08;15 - 00;45;33;14
What's scary? Yeah. What about Golden? Oh, I guess you're not, because you don't date men. You've never heard of the golden retriever like boyfriend? No. Yeah, Golden retriever boyfriend. They're all too two to ones. But. But like, he's not a self-obsessed golden retriever. Yeah. Guys are like, oh, yeah, I'm a gold golden retriever. Guys put that on their dating profile and turn up any fucking sex shit like you're.
00;45;33;17 - 00;45;52;17
Oh, what can you imagine? I would say I've gone to them. Spend crazy. I mean, I love golden retriever dogs. They're my favorite kind of dogs. But I bet you some of them are sex shit. Oh, I'm sure some of them are. Yeah, but I not, though. Not as many men. Not as many that are like men that are.
00;45;52;19 - 00;46;12;03
Yeah, yeah. What kind of dogs do you guys think you are? I'm. You had to. You're a black cat. Okay. Yeah, I don't know. Jack. What do you got back? Well, I can't say golden retriever now, even though that's my favorite dog. Even though I may going. Wow, Zach over here calling himself a golden retriever. This is like you set me up for that, then, is it?
00;46;12;05 - 00;46;36;17
I said golden retrievers are my favorite dog. And then you're like, what kind of dog would you be? Oh, that's true, I like that. That's a, I'm like a Chihuahua. No, I don't think so. Sorry. With those. Yeah, sure. Let's let's dog each other. What kind of dog would Zach be? Yeah. Guys, tell me string, you're like some sort.
00;46;36;19 - 00;47;11;23
Yeah. You're definitely a lab. What? No, but that's good. You're kindly. Everyone likes very good temperament. Okay, okay. You're loyal. You're nice. Yeah, yeah. Oh but I'm Casey. Definitely. You're a black cat. Yeah, yeah. Let's dance. Everybody thinks you're a black cat. Danny, maybe you are a Chihuahua. Oh, no. What about your spaniel? I'm sorry, I don't mean like cock or because I like Zach.
00;47;11;29 - 00;47;35;27
I'm trying to think, like, classy. And please don't take this the wrong way, I probably will. I'm trying to think of a more anxious dog. Oh, that makes sense. Maybe a Chihuahua, but Chihuahua doesn't mean the shit all the time. So, like, you need, there's some, like, a dog that's, like, anxious, but very nice still. Yeah, that literally just describes me.
00;47;36;02 - 00;48;08;07
Maybe you're anxious because you're trying to be too nice. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. What dog is that pleaser. Yeah, well that's it. People pleasing anxious dogs. You guys know we're talking about possession, right? The possession of dogs eventually. Okay, guys, enough about the fucking dogs. Okay. Possession. This. We've we've actually already jumped into our second reveal, and we didn't even know it.
00;48;08;07 - 00;48;16;03
This movie is kind of octopus thing all over us.
00;48;16;05 - 00;48;41;13
Spreading its demons, even tentacles, and so. But. Yeah, but the second reveal is the, the the desk. Desk boy, would we call him desk? Desk? Yeah. Is that what private investigators say when they come to your house? They're like, yeah. Hi. Mr. Desk, front desk. Desk, front desk. I'm sure he's got a in.
00;48;41;18 - 00;49;09;00
Oh, it's just detective and detective desk. But anyways, he, you know, this desk, this is him going to, and his apartment to look for a manual. And, you know, we've kind of we've kind of discussed this already, but this is where we find out that Anna is sleeping with this thing. She says to him, he made love to me all night.
00;49;09;02 - 00;49;31;22
And that got me thinking earlier in the movie, you know a lot of times she's saying oh I'm with him or Marcus saying are you with him. Like is she talking about this thing. Because a lot of times Heinrich is like they're like the mom is like Heinrich's in fucking wherever he goes. Well. And she's like, oh, I'm with him.
00;49;31;22 - 00;49;55;22
But the mom's like, is not here. So she's going to be talking about this Octopussy. Yeah, I guess, but I saw I don't think that it did. But like dusty, the front desk, Octopussy, it's a very James Bond episode. And we did this. The devil seven movie. It is, Berlin. Oh my God. Okay. Casey. What? Oh.
00;49;55;22 - 00;50;13;08
What? What's on your mind? What's on your mind? I just see that this thing isn't like, this thing. Isn't it really small at first? Yeah. I mean, it's not the size of the boat. It's the motion in the ocean, as they say, it's not the size of the ship. Telling yourself this octopus. I. That's the size of the audience.
00;50;13;11 - 00;50;35;05
That's what I tell people when I take my pants off and they're disappointed, I'm like, haven't you ever seen possession? It's not about the size. Okay? They're saying what's weird? Perhaps because I didn't think this thing was growing until sure to kill people. Oh my God. Is the squid demon turned on by I think she's feeding it.
00;50;35;08 - 00;51;01;04
Yeah. Where did it come from. Yeah. No, no I get it like an erection. Like a dick. Oh yeah. So is Marx doppelganger at the end. Just like a human dildo. A human dildo is a dick. Is. Yeah. Human. The monster turns into a clone. A willy of Sam Neill. What's a clone? Oh, is that where. I mean, I just saw you together where you can.
00;51;01;04 - 00;51;21;22
Yeah. Like a thing around your penis and it hardens. And then you create a dildo made out of your own penis mold that you make a mold of your. Penis. They do that in a movie with Zac Efron. And it's about all these college guys. Is that the neighbors? Yeah. And they all do it together, and then it gets stuck.
00;51;21;24 - 00;51;47;05
Yeah. Oh my God. With, like, Dave Franco and, Yeah, I remember that. I think that movie was pretty funny if I remember it right. Yeah. But so in this scene, I thought that, front desk said, that's detective front desk. Detective front desk. I thought that he shoots Anna. He does, but he shoots at her.
00;51;47;08 - 00;52;05;02
He shoots at her, and then she does this thing with her mouth, and she's like. Like it looks like she's going to throw up something and then she, like, beats him with a milkshake or something. I don't know, she has a lot of milk randomly in this movie. Yeah. There's something where it's like the oozy, milky, bloody will get there.
00;52;05;02 - 00;52;26;00
I don't think it has to do with, I think maybe has to do with like, mom stuff or something. I she feeding the squid demon milk. Maybe. Maybe there's this weird like maternal like nature, like kind of get a pool thing going on. Yeah, maybe. Or it's like it's a creation. It's a manifestation of her. And then she also nurtures it.
00;52;26;02 - 00;52;52;06
But also they fuck. Yeah. Yeah. She got milk in this movie. Yeah, yeah, we need it. You're feeding a squid demon? Yes. Like, Okay, well, let's jump to our third reveal. This is when Heinrich sees the creature. And, again, we've talked about this a little bit. You know, we've been jumping around, but it definitely the creature definitely looks more human at this point.
00;52;52;08 - 00;53;15;29
And. Oh, this. Oh. Oh, she stabbed him. She stabs Heinrich. Yeah. And like, where Jesus get stabbed. Oh. Like in the side. Yeah. Oh, is that supposed to mean something? Oh, no. I mean, I know because there's a point before, her famous the famous subway scene where she goes to church and she kind of, like, looks to Jesus for help, and she doesn't really get, I think maybe what?
00;53;15;29 - 00;53;43;23
She thinks she's just this. I mean, the Jesus statue doesn't help. Anna. What? It just shows her where to stab Heinrich. Yeah. Literally, though, like, that's. I think there's something telling, though about, like, that's what she gets from that, that like, quote unquote religious experience is like how to hurt someone. Okay. Which is interesting. Yeah. Well, right after she, you know, is looking at the statue, that's where she goes into the subway.
00;53;43;26 - 00;54;11;02
And, just, while just the whole scene, it is kind of a religious experience in a way, because. Yeah, it's like what she took from that was, you know, obviously people we're not here to judge. People turn to religion for certain types of value emotionally, spiritually. But there is, you know, an element of religion just in, like historically of violence and persecution.
00;54;11;04 - 00;54;34;20
And it kind of connects to that theme of the movie where it's like the expectation of family life or like what a woman is supposed to be and how a man is expected to act and all that kind of conflated into this, into like the craziness of this movie. So the fact that she takes that and it's like so overwhelming to her and that's where she kind of hits her, her her breaking point.
00;54;34;22 - 00;54;57;19
Yeah. Crazy. I, I do want to really quickly just backtrack to the scene where we see on, as, ballet instructor. Oh yeah. During like the movie that Heinrich was making. Yeah. And one of my favorite quotes from this movie is where she looks at the screen and she's like, that's because I'm with you. Because you say I.
00;54;57;20 - 00;55;27;01
For me, and I just thought that was like one of the most haunting things I'd ever heard. It forces you to have such a perspective shift of what it is to be a companion and how easy it is to, for for a relationship to be toxic. And that, I think, kind of like, is a perfect example and representation of, like what a toxic relationship is because you say I for me and it's like, like, I don't know, I got like a chill down my spine when I watch that.
00;55;27;01 - 00;55;58;06
And just her performance in that and the buildup to it and then obviously, like what follows, you just, you know, you want to create sympathy around a certain character. And in this case, it's Anna. And I feel like that does all the heavy lifting right there in that one line. And the way she delivers the line. Yeah. And that was how they opened the US version of this in 1983 with that quote, with her looking at the camera and saying, oh, that quote interesting.
00;55;58;08 - 00;56;19;27
Yeah. Like that's like the opening. That's like the first thing you see. That's funny because it does allow the audience to, get there, get there. Yeah, yeah. It just gives it it puts it in your place right. It. Yeah, it's very interesting. They're like, Americans are dumb. We should probably go stupid. Yeah, Americans are dumb. We should probably just, get over it.
00;56;20;01 - 00;56;28;14
Right. Here's the theme. It just says theme. Yeah.
00;56;28;17 - 00;56;54;28
Let's see. Where are we at? Here. We got, she stabbed Heinrich, stabbed Heinrich. Und Heinrich kills fucking Mark, and Mark's, like, just hang out and bleed for a while, and I'll be there in a little bit. Yeah. This is a but I think. Oh, yeah. Before he even goes to see Heinrich. And I guess this is our kind of our fourth official reveal where he where Mark sees the body parts in the in the refrigerator.
00;56;55;01 - 00;57;19;07
He, like, blows up the fucking apartment. Oh yeah. Right. Or maybe he like. Oh I think he like sets up what he's going to do. Then he goes and sees Heinrich kills him and then he goes back and because he had turned the gas on. Right. And then he goes back and blows it up. And then he takes Heinrich spike and fucks off down the street.
00;57;19;09 - 00;57;40;22
This is all after the fourth video. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. The fourth reveal. I mean, it's it's an official reveal for us because Mark finds out that Anna is killing people because he sees body parts in her fridge. But, there's really not much to it because it's so Guido Rossi. We just know what he's seeing because we've seen it earlier, but.
00;57;40;24 - 00;58;05;19
Yeah. Yeah, but, like, it's gross that, like, that's what he decides is his way to show commitment in love. Yeah. He's covering up all these other opportunities. Yeah. You know, it's like what do they say. It's like, you know, what's the quote? It's like, if you like love someone enough, you're willing to let them go. Because if you truly love someone, you want them to be happy.
00;58;05;21 - 00;58;23;29
Yeah. You know, and this one is all about like, how can I be happy in the fact that the one thing he's willing to do that actually could be helpful for her in a way, is like, hide the body kind of thing? Yeah. Yeah. Like that's the thing he commits to is just like very telling of, well, not only that, but he blows up her apartment.
00;58;23;29 - 00;58;54;20
So where is she going to go? Yeah. Like there's collateral damage and, I guess you'll have to stay with me. You still have keys right to my place and say, yeah. And so he tells, Ana to take the, the motorcycle and go to Marge's house because she fucking killed Marge. Margie. Yeah. Marge. Margie, listen, I'm not saying anyone deserves to die, but we have a real monster thing coming up.
00;58;54;24 - 00;59;27;11
We'll talk about that later, okay? Yeah. I don't understand what Marge was all about. Like, there was, she was a good. I don't know if she was real either, so it's it's very strange. But, again, you know, probably not her true self and just how other people were. That's true. Seeing her. Yeah. Well, I mean, Marx tells us his thoughts on the movie, which it feels like just from what I've heard about the the director of this movie, he says at one point he says, I'm at war against women.
00;59;27;11 - 00;59;52;00
They're dangerous. So I feel like anyone who's like a woman like his, you know, his wife's friend, like she knows she has all the information, all the dirt and she's, she's also lying to me like everyone's against him. Well yeah. And then so this is like not exactly on the same thing, but going back to like them, seeing people like how they want to perceive them or whatever.
00;59;52;02 - 01;00;13;28
Yeah. That goes along with like, the teacher being his wife. Totally. Because she's like that super like caring, like, you know, he sees his wife in that. That's what he wants his wife to be. Oh, that's a good point. Yeah. She nurtures. Yeah. She, she comes in and she starts like doing the dishes while he's not home. And like all this, she even gets into bed naked and she's like, we don't have to fuck.
01;00;13;29 - 01;00;32;29
Yeah, yeah. If you need it. Yeah. It's like, well, no, that's a great point because I was, you know, I wanted to bring this up at some point during this episode where it's like, what was that all about? Like, why does she look just like her? And I mean, it's probably your read on that is probably spot on that, like, it's just what he was seeing this.
01;00;33;04 - 01;00;53;18
Yeah. Oh God. I hate Mark so much. I just remembered this quote he says earlier. Weird that sets him up how like selfish he is and is so just oblivious to his who he really is as a person. And like there's that point where they're lying in bed and, they're just like split up and they're getting back together.
01;00;53;20 - 01;01;24;14
And she asks him if he was unfaithful. And he's like, the truth is not really. Yeah. What the fuck does that mean? Yeah, yeah. Not really. I will give some, some pushback here because she had been the entire time and didn't tell him when he asked, but then that now she's lying. She tells him, but she. But eventually, like, eventually, she I don't know, I guess I agree, but like, I think like her journey is like coming to terms with the fact that I know she's not I know he's he's the bad guy.
01;01;24;15 - 01;01;44;05
I know that, yeah. It's just the way he says it. It's the it's almost like he actually doesn't view if you were to like do something maybe he didn't, like have sex like, yeah, he doesn't penetrated. So a lot of people don't understand emotional cheating or you know what I mean? Like a lot of people don't get that.
01;01;44;08 - 01;02;05;12
So gross grossness. And then he says he doesn't want her now. Now that he's back he's just like a disgusting. Yeah. Yeah he's gross. He's horrible. So weird. Oh can we talk for a second about like so he is like a, you know Danny Jesus. We talked about front desk. We talked about Octopussy. We talked about Berlin.
01;02;05;15 - 01;02;24;15
He is. We can talk about pink socks. Well, yeah, because Mark's job, he is like a secret agent. Oh, yeah, I'm actually very. So I was a little confused over his job. Was he is James Bond. This is a James. This is an unofficial James. Wait a minute. Is it time we don't wait a minute. Is it. We don't have time.
01;02;24;15 - 01;02;50;05
Oh, it's time, it's time. It is time for the how I Met Your Monster conspiracy theory of the week hit. Because Danny wasn't going to say it. I don't know what he's waiting for. Oh, there's. I was saying, hit it in. What? Oh, German. Oh, was. Oh, there's.
01;02;50;07 - 01;03;19;28
Yeah. So this is an unofficial James Bond movie. Even more so. It's a direct sequel to a entry in the movie. It's Octopussy two. Okay. Yeah. So you're Danny Octopus, you're our resident James Bond man. Here's some pussy to call in. Demon semen. Demon semen. David. Semen deeds. Semen demon semen demon. Squid games.
01;03;20;01 - 01;03;50;27
Squid game. Squid games. Squid. Come. Oh, that's what it is. Seven. Squid. Okay, so Sam Neill is a James, and he's about seven. Yeah, but no, like I'm saying, like Sam Neill, like, has to be included now. Like, would 100% be like a henchman or like the villain? Hopefully a little weird. Oh, he would know Heinrich is the main villain because he needs like a direct like he is the mirror of him.
01;03;50;27 - 01;04;18;02
He's the other guy. Okay, find out that he created like a weapon that then took over and became the true villain, which was the squid demon. But I guess the twist would be James is actually evil. Well, he's like, okay, so correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't James Bond like a womanizer, a womanizer? Yeah. So maybe this is so I where he is at.
01;04;18;03 - 01;04;41;02
Marcus womanizing ways are turned against him and weaponized, I guess. Yeah, against him. And yeah, this movie just kind of focuses on one of the women that he screwed up emotionally. Well, I think also, this is finally a point where the quote unquote bond girls are finally fed up with being labeled as the quote unquote bond girls. Yeah.
01;04;41;02 - 01;05;04;16
And this is what happens as a result. This is like James Bond. James Bond did this like this movie as a result of everything that James Bond stands for? Yeah. They're like, fuck you, James. We're going to sleep with the person that you're trying to, what is James Bond destroy, destroy. Stop bad guys. Oh my God, dude.
01;05;04;18 - 01;05;26;07
So, Danny, 1981, where does this fall in? Well, you said Octopussy. When was Octopussy made? That that was definitely bond. Guys, you gotta look it all up. But 81, I don't know now. Well, because there was a 80s was weird for, there are a lot of gaps in the late. Like from the mid you thought they were.
01;05;26;08 - 01;05;47;10
You thought they were. Oh, no, it was big. What am I talking about? You thought there was gaps, but they were really making sequence like he was 81. Was you shooting holes in my conspiracy theory? You say for your ties only, dude, I you didn't. I just want to know when Octopussy came out, that's all I asked.
01;05;47;12 - 01;06;06;23
Oh, I just want to see what they can wear on me. For Your Eyes Only was set. I wanted to see if there is anything with, Berlin. Nope. Nope. Just Octopussy. Octopussy. What came out a year later. Oh, okay. So it's a prequel. For your Eyes Only was 1981. Octopussy was 1983. So this is the pre 92.
01;06;06;23 - 01;06;24;24
There was a gap year. Oh, well, let me just say one. This was it was going to be. But this was going to be released in 82. Are you making things up now. Well yeah. This is the only thing. The only thing is different is that it's not a sequel to Octopussy. It's a prequel. It's a prequel. Yes.
01;06;24;24 - 01;06;59;19
They're creating. Octopussy is creating Octopussy. What they're doing in Octopussy is in the movie like a very dominant, strong woman. So there it is, because how it was, she's a teacher. We don't know what happens to the teacher at the end, after the doppelgangers that forms, squad of assassins and moves to India, and thus Octopussy and her band of Mary women is created and set.
01;06;59;22 - 01;07;16;20
All right, now we can move on. All right, about time. Good job, James Bond job, guys. Awesome. How do we come up with an official title for it? Well, we did when it was a sequel. No, I don't know what it is when it's a prequel. I mean, I feel like it's just be demon semen. Semen demon.
01;07;16;23 - 01;07;41;28
All right. Okay, okay. Casey, Casey's almost done with us. Let's jump to our fifth reveal. This is, you know, speaking of just, you know, the topic at hand. This is where Mark sees on a fucking the octopus creature. He loves it. What a fucking cock, dude. I wrote that says Mark cook. What a cook. He's like, cut, cut, cut the cook chapter.
01;07;41;29 - 01;07;59;26
We, I wish she was in a coke chair. He's in a Coke, by the way, listeners, you would understand what that means if you joined our watch alongs. Texas Chainsaw Massacre. That's where you came up with the cut chair. Yeah. Follow us on Instagram for information on watch logs. And you can be in on the joke. But, I mean, not if we if we make it again.
01;07;59;28 - 01;08;26;00
Yeah. Duly. Let's do it every time now. But, Mark is, he's a cook, I would say. Yeah. And she's like, I don't know, is like, she's not being held against her will. Right? She's like, oh, so she likes it. She's enjoying some a good time. Yeah. So all right. So that comes to an understanding of what this monster is.
01;08;26;03 - 01;08;47;23
It's interesting that the next time spoiler alert that we see the monster it becomes a doppelganger of Mark. So it's almost like when Mark comes in and sees it, he's not like as jealous as he was when it was Heinrich. It's not some guy that's like someone he sees as a, what is the word? I'm looking for a competition.
01;08;47;25 - 01;09;08;01
Yeah, like a threat. He sees himself in it. That was my read on it. Especially by the end of the movie, because I was seeing, like, what the monster represents is like all of the things that on a wants, it's her desires. It's the it's her being able to escape from this possessiveness that has been kind of attacking her.
01;09;08;01 - 01;09;34;29
This whole movie and something it grows with her. Every person she kills, it grows. So yeah. And it takes the parts that she wants in a, in a partner, in a companion like he's doing with the teacher. Exactly. Yeah. Yes. But it's in this case it's compounded with whereas like Mark sees himself as like hot shit and everything along here, everything is perfect, honest.
01;09;35;03 - 01;09;59;19
He's the reality of it. So the thing that she is sleeping with is compounded with her rage and her disgust with with partners. And it's done obviously like kind of in a, in a, in a physical manifestation of it. Yeah, yeah. I'm just, I'm, I'm trying to think of like how that ties then to Mark and his doppelganger because when we well, I guess we'll get to that.
01;09;59;19 - 01;10;28;07
But yeah, I just think like it ends up being his doppelganger because it's all the parts of him that she wants to. Hundred percent like yeah. Yeah totally. Yeah. Like he is. He's there for her. He's supportive. Yeah. It's kind of like how when we, when we fall in love with people, we love parts of them. There are parts of them that drive us crazy or that bother us.
01;10;28;07 - 01;10;55;09
But you, you make a decision like you love that I don't know, like I'm now like more love is, Because I think everyone else with your elvers on. Yeah. I'm up on them. I've. But a lot of times my husband loves me. No, but, like, the part that ends up surviving with Mark in the doppelganger is this.
01;10;55;09 - 01;11;20;16
It's it's more of, like a guy's, you know, it's it's it's it's all surface level. It's just he's warm and attractive, but then we see him, like, later. Like, Bob is terrified of him, you know, whereas the version of Mark that's dying is like, gross and fucked up, and but he's the one that's willing to do to, like, die for her and to cover up her tracks.
01;11;20;18 - 01;11;41;13
Yeah. So, yeah. But, but she chooses him in the end, essentially that version of it where it's like the quote unquote beautiful version doesn't mean anything. It's all superficial. And I mean, she would have been better off if she loved him entirely, but like, she chooses, like, the lesser of two evils, in a way. I guess it's like, I love this part of you.
01;11;41;20 - 01;12;07;21
Why can't you why can't you have this part that would die for me, but not be a fucking controlling psychopath? That made her seem like everything was perfect? Yeah, a lot of, toxic stuff. Yeah, well, I'm trying to think, like when. Because Anna and the real Mark die together. Essentially, he doesn't fully die, but he ends up throwing himself off the, railing.
01;12;07;23 - 01;12;33;06
Weird. But the doppelganger goes and gives the gun to, like this girl and tells him to shoot the cops, and then she, like, hoists him up over the fucking thing, and he, like, gets out. Then he goes to the teacher's house. Right. And well, well one thing like if the teacher doesn't, if that, if her looking like Anna is just a thing in Mark's head, then she probably does really look like Bob.
01;12;33;08 - 01;12;57;26
So that's one thing. But I lost and I was going to fucking what was goddamn it, Bob, the idea of his influence on women. Well, he's not like he's evil. He's not like this thing that she created. That's like all the good part. Like he's a fucking monster, like I think. Yeah I think they were, I think that those parts of them were separated.
01;12;57;28 - 01;13;15;21
Yeah. What is that. That's, that's where the movie is, is losing me a little bit because the squid demon is supposed to be. Oh, that's what you what she accepts as like, but like, that's why you were saying that, like, all the goodness goes into the real Mark, and then all his evilness goes into the doppelganger, even goodness.
01;13;15;21 - 01;13;33;26
It's like, I think it's more complicated than that. It's like it's just different parts of them, different flavors, like Neapolitan. And yeah, it's like it's the yeah, it is. I'm not going to lie. Like I'm not going to pretend to like come out of this being like, oh, I get it. I get that this is what the movie is.
01;13;33;26 - 01;13;53;02
Because the whole thing, what you were saying with and I guess we're talking about the six reveal now officially. Oh, yeah, I think we. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Surprise. Six reveal doppelganger I did I'm sorry. I kind of, like, launched us into that without set up. Because the thing is, is like, it's like he's very parasitic, too.
01;13;53;03 - 01;14;18;07
There's something contagious about his quote unquote charm where he meets the girl, but then he, like, destroys her life. Like she's clearly either going to get shot or arrested, and now she's pulled into their drama and their shootout. It's a it's upsetting. You see the influence that that type of guy can have on someone, you know, obviously that's done in like a really extreme way.
01;14;18;07 - 01;14;34;08
Like within seconds she's willing to give up everything and save him at her expense. Yeah. What about when Marge's body falls out of the trunk in that plastic bag? You know, just like.
01;14;34;10 - 01;14;55;18
It's like it was like a very, like, house that Jack built moment where he, like, dragging the body. Yes. That's funny. Yeah, I like this movie. Is so, like. I think I've been thinking about this lately. It's like a lot of the best. Like, art is contradictory, but, and that's just like. Because that's human nature.
01;14;55;20 - 01;15;13;13
Like. Yeah, everything's like a constant push and pull, like a struggle, you know, you listen to lyrics on these like some of the best songs of all time, and it's just people saying contradictory things. And it's like this movie is everything is just like, I want you, I hate you, I need you, I don't want you, I need you.
01;15;13;14 - 01;15;35;02
It's just like, that's just, you know, it's a great way of putting you in the shoes of someone who is dealing with that contradictory, like that contradiction, like with themselves, with, like whatever situate in this case, a relationship. It's like, oh, I know I should leave. I know this is not good for me. But here's why I should stay.
01;15;35;04 - 01;15;56;04
You know, it's like it's, it's like you know what it is, it all comes down to the, the poem that Julia Stiles, this character reads and ten things I Hate About you. Oh yeah, she does ten things. These are all the things I hate. But ultimately it reveals why she loves them so. Oh, no, that's not I know, I know what a what a 90s way to look at love.
01;15;56;04 - 01;16;26;20
Oh, yeah. It's like you're so bad for me. We've learned it's so hot. Learn so much I know. All right, well, you guys, that is possession away really quick, before we jump ship. Bob. Bob sees the duck kill at home and kills himself. Drowns himself in the tub. When then does he? We don't see, because we've established earlier that, like, Bob likes to go into the water and, like, hold his breath.
01;16;26;23 - 01;16;44;25
Set up. Now I'm serious. Like, did we really? I think he's killing them. I think he killed them because, like, there's, like multiple scenes with Bob in the tub and he was like, do like, comes up from the water. And I think earlier he had like a snorkel on. Yeah. He's not using a snorkel now. You guys think I'm fucking with you?
01;16;44;26 - 01;17;01;25
No, I'm just trying to think now. I'm trying to think of, like, what it's supposed to symbolize because he I don't know, he tells us like, do not open the door. Don't let him in. See, I thought he was just, like, threw the flat into the bathroom where he submerges into the bathtub face down, drowning himself. Oh, do you think there's some.
01;17;01;25 - 01;17;17;26
Okay, this is a. I thought he was just, like, hiding because we've seen, like, the bathtub is kind of like a place that he likes. Like, it was like a safe space. Right? So I agree. So I thought he was, like, holding his breath and just. I think that's 100. I think it is a safety thing. But it's again, like you talk about contradiction.
01;17;17;26 - 01;17;38;10
The contradiction is that he's finding a safe haven in a form of suicide in a way like, you know, it's like, but then, okay, this is a read. I don't even know where I'm going with this. But because there have been a lot of we've seen, like birth and all that, like the idea of, like creation. And he is like the son, the child character that's supposed to be nurtured.
01;17;38;10 - 01;17;57;13
And he returns to like this, like when we're born, we're born in, oh, like, fluid, you know? And he goes into the safe space where where we see that's the place where his parents take care of him. Like even earlier. He says something I can't remember. It's. Mark says it's or vice versa, but they're like, go basically be nurturing.
01;17;57;13 - 01;18;15;11
And it's always in the bathroom. It's like, go be nurturing. It's in the space where he's cleaned, he's taken care of, you know, he's vulnerable. He's, you know, like he's completely vulnerable. Yeah. When Heinrich comes to the house and the teacher's over and he's like, hey, like Mark, like hands a teacher a bar of soap in a towel, and he's like, help me out.
01;18;15;12 - 01;18;38;18
It's like a form of, like, just nurture taking care of someone. Yeah. And the fact that he returns to that space. Yeah. Like, grounding himself isn't about like, I want to hurt myself. It's like, in a weird way, like, compared to what is out there in the world, this is actually the safest space for me. Jesus. And then also, I mean, it makes sense because at the end we hear like, the world is ending.
01;18;38;20 - 01;18;54;23
Yeah. What was your guys's read on that? Yeah. There was like, there's, like things exploding and bombs and airplanes. I don't know, the Cold War now, maybe, but like, that's I think that's why it was wasn't that way. It was called the Cold War because there was no fighting. Yeah. No, I don't know. I don't, I don't I don't know too much about that.
01;18;54;23 - 01;19;12;27
But, because then the teacher also is kind of like possessed by the end. You know what I wish this movie did? I wish it did that thing where it's like, you know, like some movies will end with, like, a punk rock song and it's. Oh, it feels like, contradictory. This is where they could have done, they didn't do that part.
01;19;12;29 - 01;19;28;09
Level two has the fight like, no no no no no no no no no no no no no. Like just say and then it like cuts to like yeah that it's this movie definitely wasn't that kind of the battle.
01;19;28;11 - 01;19;49;26
Okay. All right. That's possession. Let's go into our, Hey, can we can we talk about the guy with the prolapsed apple? Oh. What is what is that what they call. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. We were going to talk about pink socks, and then we got, you know, prolapse. Asshole. That's so fucking gross.
01;19;50;02 - 01;20;11;26
Makes it like, I mean, we're not here to kink shame, but I don't like it. Okay, we we're going to talk about pink socks, and then we got sidetracked with James Bond, but, Yeah. So at the beginning, there's the, where Mark's in the meeting with the his employers and. Yeah. And they say, like, our guy is the guy with the pink socks that you're like, does does he still wear pink socks?
01;20;11;26 - 01;20;31;08
So, like the guy they're after? Right. Later. There's this whole thing about, like, dead dogs, and, the people are trying to get Mark back to his job, and then you see the guy with the pink socks. Yeah. That guy who's wearing the pink socks. If you go back and watch it, he's sitting at the table with.
01;20;31;08 - 01;20;56;04
Oh, the people who are debriefing him. Oh, yeah. Okay. So, like, there's this whole agent espionage thing. It is such a fucking movie. Interesting. Yeah, because I went back and I turned it on with the commentary to here's some information. And I saw him at the desk. I was like, oh, there's a whole other thing going on here that I guess the double agent thing makes sense with, like, doppelgangers is like, we are different versions.
01;20;56;04 - 01;21;22;02
We don't know the truth of everyone, even if they're, you know, because work is also an intimate setting to an extent. Yeah. You know, like, you know, people especially, like, on that level, like with what his work is. Yeah, that totally makes sense. Okay. Well, that is possession. Now let's go over our favorite reveals in, possession.
01;21;22;04 - 01;21;48;05
Okay. So for possession, we have six official reveals. And we do have some alternate titles for these reveals, so choose them accordingly. Speed round recap number one. The Pi goes to check the windows. And he sees the creature. This is also known as. I've come to wash the windows because, talking about the device through the window wiper.
01;21;48;07 - 01;22;13;10
Number two is the Pi, boss, goes to find out where Emmanuel is, and he sees the creature. Two. And there's a whole thing also known as my milkshake. Brings detective desk to the out. That's really good. Number three, Heinrich sees the creature, also known as Heinrich. Needs the Heimlich.
01;22;13;13 - 01;22;35;00
Or so is it. Because he's, He's he's he's gasping for, number four. Mark sees the body parts in the refrigerator, also known as honey. The leftovers turned into a human head again.
01;22;35;03 - 01;22;45;20
Then you're my. You know, it's really funny. Back to yellow.
01;22;45;22 - 01;23;09;09
This is theater. You guys, this is Peter. Yep. Just like it was just like the way this movie was shot. Number five, Mark sees Anna and the creature having sex. Also known as Mark's a cook. And, number six, our final reveal. This is the doppelganger, also known as seven is a human dildo. A human dildo is a big.
01;23;09;15 - 01;23;31;22
But you need so much got for these. Well, they've listen to the whole episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hopefully you didn't jump forward to this. You missed a lot. Casey, let's start with you. What is your favorite reveal in possession? My favorite reveal is I've come to wash the windows. Is that what it was? Yeah, but just because,
01;23;31;24 - 01;23;46;28
Yeah, because it was the unexpected turn. I turned this movie off to go to sleep right before this part. And then I turn it back on the next night to finish it. Yeah. And then this happened, and it just was not, you know, it was just a turn that I wasn't expecting it to take. Right. But I was very happy about it.
01;23;47;00 - 01;24;08;19
Okay. Yeah, it definitely is a like, you know, like you said, just like a holy a holy shit shifting point in the movie. It is. Holy shit. Danny, what do you got? Mine is the same one I was it. I want to wash your windows. I'm sorry I came to wash you. I came to wash the windows. I came and then wash the windows because I was coming all over them.
01;24;08;27 - 01;24;12;15
So I said.
01;24;12;17 - 01;24;32;22
I came, oops, al-Bashir van. How much money do you have? It's just my beer makes per hour. What's the gizmo it got? It cleans out the nudie boots that each guy jerks off nudie booth. Yeah, nudie booth. Never been a notable. Guess not. Oh, man. It's great. You go into this booth, and there's this glass between you and these chicks.
01;24;32;25 - 01;24;48;14
They put on a show for you for, like, ten bucks. What kind of a show? Think of the weirdest, craziest shit you like to see chicks do mini stick, do it all. Insert things into any opening on their body, any opening. Can we not talk about this now? That is my first job is to clean it up and each guy shoots a load spread.
01;24;48;19 - 01;25;12;16
Everybody does it right on the window. I don't know if you noticed enough to leave streaks. If you don't clean it right away. So gross. Okay. He's a shooter. Yeah, I everything Casey said I love that is, shocking. The using a wine bottle to stab in the throat. Yeah, she does it twice, right? Yeah. She stabs him and then she's like, oh, shit.
01;25;12;16 - 01;25;28;01
And then she stabbed me again. I think it was kind of like, oh, what did I just do now? I got to go through a better finish kind of thing. Yeah. It's a good thing it was a red wine and not a white, because at least you could say like you could if there were stains. And you have a broken wine bottle, but two and two together.
01;25;28;03 - 01;25;50;14
Yeah. Yeah. For sure. I think mine is the second reveal. My milkshake brings detective desk to the yard. Just because, like, in that scene, like, I agree with you that the first one is just like, Holy shit, what's going on? But this one is like, you see the creature more and like, there's the tentacles and they're, like, slithering around.
01;25;50;14 - 01;26;08;27
And I guess there was, like, people under that bed, like, moving that thing. And the thing was made out of, like, film stock and glue. Like they just like, put it together. But, but I love seeing that the of course it's going to say testicles. I love seeing the tentacles. Like, moving around. I think to me, the probably it's testicles.
01;26;09;00 - 01;26;28;13
It's true. I didn't see a sack. You know, they say if you don't see a sack, the tentacles are the testicles. That's what they. Oh, that was the. Yeah they do. They were going to have that quote in the US version. And then we went with the other one. That's the tagline. That's like the logline on that or the tagline on the sack on the tentacles of the testicles.
01;26;28;15 - 01;26;35;13
All right. Well, now it's time for a segment that we like to call the real monster.
01;26;35;15 - 01;26;59;28
I'll start us off. I just have to, I've got the, Emanuel's tailing skills, which we've talked about, like it was so wild and they just kept getting worse, like, as it went on, and, just insane. And then I have Heinrich, for being rapey because he was like, in that scene where he sees the monster like, before.
01;26;59;28 - 01;27;25;03
He's like, making out with Uno, and they're like each other. And he says, don't resist me. You know, I'm stronger than you. And I was like, right after that is when he says, I'm the only one who has any. Right, because I don't claim it. Right, right. But I was like, oh, shit. Okay. That's just like, I mean, it's just a scary situation in general, but like to have someone say that, it's like, yeah.
01;27;25;04 - 01;27;50;16
Just to hear the words. And he knows it. Yeah. Terrifying. Okay. What do you guys got? Well, I have, five. Damn. Yeah. So I'll just start off and say I do have I also have Emmanuel's, skills because it's horrible. I also have the bathwater in the beginning because it was an alarmingly not clear. Yeah.
01;27;50;16 - 01;28;11;00
Okay. It was a very yellow brown brown. Oh, yeah. It was gross. I have the electric knife that they were using to cut themselves because it was not working very well, at all. She was like, sitting there cutting up meat, and it was nice. I forgot about that. Yeah. I mean, she's gone. I'm like, what is going to happen on it?
01;28;11;04 - 01;28;36;26
Oh right away. Yeah. So it wasn't really doing a great job. I also have her, doing, what I'm calling Milk Angels in the subway. After the milk gets dumped everywhere and she starts rolling around, and I had making milk. Milk angels. Milk angels. Yeah. You know, like snow angels. That happens at the end of every orgy.
01;28;36;26 - 01;28;58;08
By the way, a lot of people I. I didn't ask. We don't, you know, we're not Zach and I are part of that lifestyle. So we you keep that to yourself. I which another another thing you might know a lot about. Also, my fifth one is pink socks. So. So. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Pink socks and milk angels.
01;28;58;10 - 01;29;19;05
Okay, Danny, my stomach can't take any more, so please take over and tell us your room sure has so much better. I have, I forget, and I don't even care that I forgot her name. Margie. Yeah. Margie. Just. Friend Margie is a real monster for selling her friend out. Yeah, like, if you have a friend. Okay, I am not condoning cheating.
01;29;19;05 - 01;29;42;15
I'm not condoning any of that stuff. But I also understand that everyone has their own reasons for what they're sharing, and if you have a friend who confides in you, unless they have done something truly reprehensible and or illegal. Yeah, and the partner calls asking you just say, I don't know. I'm sorry. No, you talk to your friend, you say, hey, your partner called to ask a question, blah, blah, blah.
01;29;42;16 - 01;30;01;19
You deal with it. It is not my I'm not there to do that. Yeah. The fact that she just, she not only does it once, there's another scene and she does it again so. Well I think she kind of is into Mark. Because she was like undressing him in the courtyard and which was very strange. So that's also another like, oh, so even worse.
01;30;01;21 - 01;30;21;27
So she gets another place now she's possessed by Mark. And then, I just have one more and I feel like it is the strongest one that I have is just the patriarchy in general. You know, there is. That's not to say all men are, everyone's all like, men don't have a fair shot these days. Fuck off.
01;30;22;04 - 01;30;45;23
And that's what he was saying. There is a patriarchal system. Like many systems. It just so happens that we're talking about the patriarchy here, because that's what the theme of the movie is. Any a lot of systems, if not all systems, are typically corrupt. They're broken from the inside out. They have rotted. And that's usually because they were formed many years ago when people were fucking stupider than they are these days.
01;30;45;25 - 01;31;10;03
And we have now just we're still living by standards that were set up by people who were fucking, you know, pooping in rivers. You know what I mean? Like, it just doesn't make any sense. There are pooping in rivers and pooping on the river, and they're making the rules. It's the patriarchy. So just like the patriarchy pooping in the river, now they're making the rules.
01;31;10;06 - 01;31;32;05
It's just there's don't be a, a schmuck. You know, we say, Peg, the patriarchy. That's what I say, Peg. The patriarchy, 100%. You know, a little empathy, a little sympathy, a little love and tenderness in your heart goes a long way. And not thinking that your shit don't stink. And that's all we have in the river of people in this world.
01;31;32;05 - 01;31;48;21
You know what I mean? Yeah. Down with the patriarchy. All right. Well, well, now it's time for our last segment. Would you survive the demon semen? Octopussy in possession.
01;31;48;24 - 01;32;10;15
Okay, so this may go against everything we just said about, like, self, you know, calling yourself a golden retriever. Danny's like, I'm a golden retriever, I survive. No, but I would never make Anna mad. What my thing was like, I was like, I like to think I'm not the kind of person who is. That would be. So would you be in that situation?
01;32;10;15 - 01;32;28;25
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I think we're all safe for that reason. Yeah. So I think. Yeah, exactly. I think if I were like Mark and I did that, then I feel like there's just no escape. So it all just comes down to like who you are as a person. Like if you're a bad person, you are in this. You're doomed one way or another.
01;32;28;28 - 01;32;45;28
It came for Bob. It clearly it seems to have come for the whole world at the end of the movie off screen. So I like yeah, that's where I stand. Well, it's kind of wild because like Sam Neill at the end, he, you know, he comes to the door, he's like fully formed and like the world is ending seemingly outside.
01;32;46;00 - 01;33;08;11
And then even, like you mentioned at the beginning of this episode, how he's in The Omen three, where he plays like this world leader who like, wants to, you know, invite in the world for like, time of conflict. Yeah, kind of crazy. The Sam I want to improve. He's like, I only do movies. He was offered, double seven, by the way, and he was like, does he want to end the world?
01;33;08;16 - 01;33;27;04
No, he's trying to stop the end of the world. Then he got a script for possession. He was like, sign me up. Sign me up. Yeah. No, that's. I mean, that's a great answer. I think that kind of some things up where it's like, if you are, you're a good person, you'll probably be okay. Okay. You guys, that was possession.
01;33;27;04 - 01;33;53;00
That was our first movie in our international X triple feature. Casey, what are we doing next? I saw the devil. So the devil. Oh. I'm excited. I haven't seen this. It's, I am very excited. On our last episode, I said that this had been on my watch list for a long time. And while I have seen this this image of this, you know, the poster image for this, and I was like, okay, I do know what you're talking about.
01;33;53;03 - 01;34;13;29
The one that's been on my watch list for a long time is I trapped the devil. Which I don't even know again, I've never seen, but, I got him confused. I almost nominated that for our Christmas watch. Last year's Christmas movie. Okay, well, yeah, either one I haven't seen. So. Well, sorry. It's okay. Okay. Maybe a trilogy for me.
01;34;13;29 - 01;34;32;09
When I saw the devil, I trap the devil. I freed the devil. I could not kill my party with the devil. Shades freed. Well, that's cool. I'm excited for it. I saw the devil. I have no idea what it's about. Don't. I want you to. Okay, I'll go in blind. I'll just watch it. Just because it's more fun that way.
01;34;32;12 - 01;34;48;16
Okay? Yeah, same. I'll do the same. Well, that's good. That's good to know. Okay. Well that's it. Where can our listeners find you guys on social media if they want to follow along with your crazy social media stuff?
01;34;48;19 - 01;35;13;05
I am on Instagram at Wolf Mother Casey. Awesome. Danny. I'm on Instagram, blue Sky and Letterboxd. My name Danny Slim. That's de NY Sally me two M's like the candy melt in your butt down your hands. Nice. Do you think that Octopussy put Eminem's in on? But, so I thought, I just assume that's what it was.
01;35;13;05 - 01;35;29;12
Do it. I was actually confused when you're like, that's my thing. Yeah. Like, were you guys not, like, kind of eagle eyed, like, looking like for rappers. Like Eminem rappers? Because I didn't see any. So then I was like, oh, I think I misunderstood the movie. Yeah. So then you put it in, you're about. Yeah. Well, they were already in there.
01;35;29;12 - 01;35;48;15
Oh, okay. Oh they're always, always, they're always just kind of stored there. And you can find me on social media at Zeke when sick. Make sure to follow our show. Instagram. TikTok, Facebook, all over the place. Patreon. You can join our Patreon for free at how I Met Your Monster. And just check it out and be a part of the community.
01;35;48;15 - 01;38;54;05
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