Released just two months before Alfred Hitchcock's "Psycho" and showcasing just as much shock value, 1960's "Peeping Tom" explores fear, voyeurism, and the shame that society puts on our basic human needs. In this episode, we meet our monster MARK LEWIS in London and discuss his upbringing, the appropriate age to enjoy a glass of milk, and the ignorant destruction of Michael Powell's career.
Released just two months before Alfred Hitchcock's "Psycho" and showcasing just as much shock value, 1960's "Peeping Tom" explores fear, voyeurism, and the shame that society puts on our basic human needs. In this episode, we meet our monster MARK LEWIS in London and discuss his upbringing, the appropriate age to enjoy a glass of milk, and the ignorant destruction of Michael Powell's career.
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Today we wrap up our Silver Screen Slashers triple feature series with Michael Powell's 1968 exploration of voyeurism, repression, sex and violence. The cameras are clicking, the compulsions are winning, and self-reflection has never looked so frightening. As we turn the camera from victim to villain to meet a monster with a penchant for pictures and an eye for agony, the one and only Mark Lewis and Peeping Tom, You're listening to How I Met Your Monster, a podcast that explores the introductions to your favorite movie, Monsters.
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How? Yeah, but then this is your pick in our silver screen slash triple feature, and it's I would say it's a nice one to turn around out the other two movies. I was thinking the same thing. I was like, Wow, I forgot because I hadn't seen this movie in a few years. And the fact that we're doing Silver Screen Slashers and then it's a movie that's literally about someone who works on the silver, or at least, yeah, adjacent to the silver screen.
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And like with cameras, I'm like, look at that. It's perfect. He does work on the silver screen. Danny He keeps that fainting actress in focus the whole time. That's a good point. Well, I stand corrected. Okay, Danny, since you picked this, could you go ahead and read the synopsis for Peeping Tom? I sure can, Zack. The synopsis is.
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Thank you, Danny. You're welcome. And Peeping Tom, a young man murders women using a movie camera to film their dying expressions of terror. Wow. So on the nose. Okay, so a young man murders women using a movie camera to film their dying expressions of terror. But if you just put the punctuation differently, a young man murders women using a movie camera to film their dying expressions of terror.
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Because he does. He uses the tripod with the back in with the knife on it is he literally kills them with the tool in which he's using to film them. Yeah, it's pretty cool, which is pretty extraordinary. Yes. So this was the first time watch for me. Danny, you just said you saw it a few years ago. This was my first time watching Casey.
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What about you? I was also a virgin. A Peeping Tom version of. So does that mean you're peeping Tom as a virgin or. I don't know. I haven't seen the movie before at being a peeping Tom. Okay, Gotcha. You popped your. You popped your people. I wonder if people. I wonder if a lot of peeping Toms are virgins because they've got, like, this weird, like thing where it's like, get off from the visual, not the physical.
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Yeah, someone should take a poll. It's funny. I mean, we'll obviously get into it, but this movie's a lot about there's like, you know, sexual repression and shame and all that plays a big part. They don't really at least they don't show it. But they don't really lean into his this being a sexual thing. For him, it's more just like this fascination.
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I mean, we'll break it down like there I have. So much to ask and say and I guess like hypothesize about like why Mark does what Mark Lewis, the monster in this movie, why he does what he does. It's very complex. It's very layered. I'm not even sure if there is one specific reason why he does it. He'd be like, Well, I'll come in with something.
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We all have the right answer. Maybe there really is just one. I don't know, but it is very complex. Yeah, and that's part of I mean, aside from like the esthetics, this movie is beautiful to look at all those colors. And I have a soft spot for the sixties. But yeah, that's why I love this movie. It is.
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There's just a lot to it's great for it has great rewatch value because of what it's trying to say. Okay, okay. One thing that was confusing to me was that his name's not Tom, you know, but his last name was Peeping Mark. But what if that was? What if that was his? What if his name was peeping Per?
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And then the guy looks at his name, like in the list, and it's like Tom peeping Tom Mark And it's like this, you know, in those movies are like the detective, like, figure something out by, like, moving little physical pieces around, like a name, like I and Lord Voldemort, Tom are all over it all. But he just, like, sees his name, like on the call sheet.
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Tom peeping and he, like, moves it around. It's this peeping Tom. It's like. And that's how he knows it's him. It's the big reveal. Just twisting the two names. No, but you know, it's funny. So clearly, Peeping Tom is a term. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, Peeping Tom is a person who derives sexual pleasure from secretly watching people undressing or engaging in sexual activity as voyeurs and voyeurism.
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Yeah. So apparently the origin of the term Peeping Tom is from the mid 18th century. It was supposedly the name of the person who had watched Lady Godiva ride naked through Coventry. And that's where the term Peeping Tom came from. His name must have been Tom. Maybe. I guess so. And he must have been touching his puppy. Or not.
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Or just watching and peeping Tom. Tom, There's a Tom Petty joke in there somewhere. But yeah. So like you said, Danny will get into it. But I think he does. Like in the opening scene, he kind of like gets off because like he kills the lady and then he's at his home watching on the screen and then you see him, like, straightened up, and then he kind of just like, slumped back down in his chair.
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After it's over, I'm having one. It's like I need tissues. And he just clean up. That's a rookie move. I'm having one. Yeah. my God, I. I like this movie. I was very tired, so some of it will probably be probably be lost on me, but I didn't do it. Why are you laughing like that? It was funny.
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there was one part that I. I think I wrote it down and we'll get to it. Or I was maybe toward the end or I was specifically thinking of Yuki because I was like, I feel like they're obviously like serial killers. But they mentioned something that was very specific to like getting into the mind of a serial killer.
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So we'll get to. Okay. I just. yeah, Yeah. Have you guys seen that uncanny valley makeup that people have been doing on social media? Uncanny valley makeup? So it's like people on like TikTok and Instagram are doing their makeup. I can't describe it if you haven't seen it, but basically, like, is it like to look like someone to look human but almost not human?
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Yeah, it looks smart. Looks like that makeup. He fucking freaks me out. my. Do you see what I'm saying? He looks like that. And that is creepy. Yeah, that's what he looks like. Danny, Google uncanny Valley makeup. And then look at the first images. yeah, Yeah. Okay. I could see that. I don't like his.
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He's pretty creepy. He's one of the creepiest people. I think I've ever seen in a movie. I it's also real weird. Like, his voice changes a lot, his inflection and his, like, I don't know if it's purposeful or he's just not good, but his accent changes a lot. Like, is he British? I don't know, because sometimes it's German.
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He's German, he's German. Austrian. Okay, maybe it has something to do with him trying to, like, fit in. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. It's like, aware of the fact that he's an outsider. I don't. I don't know if it's. I don't even. Maybe it's just because I'm not used to hearing those accents. Yeah, but, yeah, you know, it just, you know, he did say that he grew up in that building, so he grew up in London.
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Yeah. And yet, obviously. So they just from, you know, his native origins are, you know, the U.K. So maybe it maybe that was on purpose. We're supposed to be like I think they just didn't do a great job casting. Yeah, well, they did because he did it. He is creepy. But yeah. Yeah. So he was friends with Michael Powell.
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And after after Michael Powell couldn't get the person that he wanted, the studio said no. They ended up casting Karl-Heinz Boehm in the role. Interesting. He actually had a similar upbringing as his character. Mark Lewis. really? Where his let me see here I'm reading off of you get like a wasn't thrown on him I don't think but so this is from Wikipedia and they are referencing the DVD of peeping Tom where Karl-Heinz Barnes said he saw Lewis as a sympathetic character whom he felt great pity for in a 2008 interview, Böhm stated that he could identify with the character because he also stood for a long time in the shadow of his famous father,
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conductor Karl Bohm, and had a difficult relationship with him, but also stated that he interpreted his character as being traumatized by growing up under the Nazi regime. And so he actually did have a father who was pretty famous and probably difficult. So he kind of was perfect for the role that that reminds me of. Have you guys ever seen the Michael Haneke movie The White Ribbon?
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No. It's all about this village where strange in Germany. And I believe it's Germany and yeah, Germany. And these strange things start happening, like these really sadistic things around town. And you find out that it's the children who are committing these crimes, and then you find out later that these children in a few years will be the generation that grows up to be like Nazi leaders.
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so you're kind of seeing, like how they were influenced to do what they did. So that's interesting to see, like how he kind of took a similar route to kind of say like him just being like around that kind of influenced it. I don't know. It's like the, fuck my dick, What the hell was I trying to say it?
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I don't know. It's like this, this cycle of violence, basically. I never heard of an expression like that kind of so literally, that kind of frustration, so literal. Yeah. Yeah. Because normally don't be like, Fuck my fucking dumb beetle or something. Just fucking, I think also literal. Yeah, I know I was fucking dumb, but yeah, you're stupid fucking brain.
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But I was just trying to make there was just like, I don't know, it reminded me of that movie because it was just like that idea of like a cycle of violence and, you know, like, is it taught? Is it natural? Is it, you know, Yeah, circumstantial and all that, you know, which I just find really fascinating with, especially with characters like this.
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And obviously character, there's another character is very similar to Mark Lewis, who is in a movie that was released literally the same year, which was Norman Bates, Psycho, which I'm sure is probably going to pop up a lot in our conversation inevitably. Yeah. Released two months after this one. That's crazy. Yeah, it's actually really depressing because this you know, you're talking about Michael Powell.
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This movie essentially ended his career. Right. Right. And it's ironic because Alfred Hitchcock's career soared after Psycho. Yeah. So it's like, is it was it I think a lot of I mean, it was the critical response to this movie where they were just like, this is awful. This is disgusting. Nobody wants to meet you. And basically what we have now right now, it's funny because Michael Powell and Alfred Hitchcock were apparently somewhat friends.
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They had known each other. And after seeing their response, the critical response to peeping Tom, Hitchcock decided to release Psycho without a press screening. And so it was the critics that bashed this movie. And basically, when you release a movie like that or, you know, it used to be the case, it sort of still is now it's like Rotten Tomatoes where it's like if the critics bash it, then nobody you know, it doesn't matter.
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You can't go there. Now you've got like the sour taste in your mouth. Yeah. And people are like, you know, just like fucking rotten tomatoes. God, I hate rotten tomatoes. But it's like, yeah, people will be like, it got to fucking 17%. I'm not going to see that movie because like three fucking critics reviewed it and gave it bad reviews or whatever.
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Like just watch the fucking movie if you like it. If I like it. Sorry. No, I'm with you. There have been so many times where I've found myself kind of like. Almost like, subconsciously. Kind of drawn or. Yeah, like by reading a rotten tomato review. Like, I just can't help it because it just gets into your head. We are like, do I want to waste my time with this?
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These people clearly didn't like it, but then I'll watch movies that have low scores and I love it. Yeah. So it's like, why am I listening? I never listen to people about movies, you know, like if they're good, unless it's like, like objectively horrible. So why do I let that? Yeah, yeah, Clearly that was the case with this movie, too.
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And unfortunately, it interests my friends because they know what I like. Yeah, exactly. It should come from It should be unique to you like people who know you, not just some. Also a lot of reviews. I don't want to shit on critics because I think there are like some really wonderful critics and I think it's a really important art form, analyzing film and any kind of art.
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And yeah, it's just it's tough. It's I actually don't know if I want to go too deep into it because I feel like I could just keep talking about it. And we're not here to talk about critics. We're here to talk about meeting times. But before we go today, do want to talk about Siskel and Ebert for a second?
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yeah. I'm always I love them fucking Siskel and Ebert. Make me so mad. Okay? Because when I grew up, Siskel and Ebert, they were like, huge, right? When we were growing up. And at the movies, that's what you would listen to. Kind of like they were like the Rising Tomatoes of fucking the nineties, whatever you. Yeah. And this movie, kind of Peeping Tom kind of had like a cult following, like revival, like 20 years later, 30 years later after this was released and people started praising it and saying how great it was.
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But it ultimately, like you said, Danny, like ruined Michael Powell's career when it was released. Yeah. So it makes me mad because I feel like if Siskel and Ebert would have seen this movie in 1960 when it came out and they were like, This movie's trash, don't go see it. It's disgusting. Like when you know, I feel like they did the same thing with Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
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They're like, Or they did. They were very they were very not friendly to horror movies. I will say some they were very I I've been watching a lot of Siskel and Ebert old episodes lately. They were Ebert was much more fair to horror, but it depended on the horror. Siskel was like very unforgiving, at least tried to understand what the movie was saying.
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But when it came to something like slasher movies, they were he was a little bit more judgmental. Okay. Basically what I'm trying to say is that, like, if he would have seen it back then, he would have been like, This movie sucks. But when he reviewed it, like in the nineties, he was like, it's so classic and it makes us into voyeurs ourselves and blah, blah, blah.
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But no, I know you're saying though, cause it's it's easier, especially like for a critic or anyone like making some like critical like, I don't know, like having, making some critical opinion on it, especially to make like a movie, especially a horror movie. It's easier to reflect on something from the past than it is to comment on something from the present.
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Yeah, you know, because then it's almost like time, you know, and then culture changes and all of that. But also, I don't know, I don't want to speak for critics, but just it's just like a universally people talking about something, it's your reputation is probably less vulnerable if you're talking about something that happened 20 years ago that maybe everyone kind of maybe agrees with you on for the most part than it is to have some like snap judgment of like, I loved this movie only to find out that everyone else hated it.
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And you're a disgusting, you know, Peeping Tom apologists because you liked it, too. So I think culture has a lot to do with it. Yeah. And trying to not stir the pot too much. So I'm sure there's a lot to do with why people couldn't appreciate what this movie was doing and maybe why it's easier to appreciate it in like, you know, retroactively.
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Yeah, I guess. Well, that was I think it's is important for this movie, especially because the critics ruined Michael Powell's career because they couldn't appreciate what he was trying to do. He didn't make some like snuff film. Right. Like this movie is also movie. This movie doesn't glorify violence or sex or perversions or any of that. It's not that's not what it's doing.
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It's it's trying to, like, put a light on it, put a camera on it. The movie is. So that's how I love this movie. It's so like meta. It's I was going to mention later that, like, Scream owes a lot to this movie. Okay. Yeah. This is like a meta commentary on culture, pop culture, serial killers, the film industry, voyeurism, you know, all of that.
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So it's actually very clever in what it's trying to do, and it's doing it in a way that's very for the times. It's like very subversive. And yet for critics to come out and say, we can't even acknowledge it because it disturbs us, it's kind of missing the point. Well, it's funny because you know how influential it has become into exactly into just horror movies as we know it.
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And when it first came out, it just like edgy, just you see that a lot where it's like things that are bad and like, this is terrible, don't watch it, blah blah, blah. And then years later, it's like, that was fucking amazing. And now we make art like that today all the time. I mean, you mention it's not just Chainsaw Massacre.
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That's a great example. Yeah. And it's not just movies, you know, it's all kinds of art and, and things. It's because it's different and new and people are like, We fear change. And then you wonder, like, if it wasn't like Wayne's World, if these movies weren't reviled when they came out, would they have the reputation that they have later and then become classics?
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So it's sort of like it's this weird. I mean, obviously if it comes at the expense of someone's career, you don't want that. But sometimes that's the beauty and the horror of art. It's like it needs to be hated in order to be appreciated later. Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, you guys ready to head to London and meet Mark Lewis, our peeping Tom?
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Charlie. Right, Charlie. Right. Pip And Carol.
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Okay, so. Okay, so. Okay, so, yeah, that sounds good. yeah, that sounds good. Okay, so in Peeping Tom, there are six monster reveals, and we're going to cover each one, starting with the prostitute on the streets of London. How locked. Didn't prostitute the prostitute itself? African? Yeah. Not from London. Setting this up reminded me of like you may have all been talking about Jack the Ripper.
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And then I was wondering, what if I like popcorn? And I was like, what if instead of calling him Jack the Ripper, they call them Jack the Ripper? Jack, how different his legacy would have been with that name? Yeah, a lot different. He Yeah. Yeah. Dude, am I the only one that thinks of Marshmallow Peeps? So I'd say Peeping Tom.
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Yeah. I haven't thought of it once. And the funny thing is, I don't. I actively dislike marshmallow people. Yeah, Yeah, I kinda like them. They are gross, but I ever whenever we say peep, I think it's so much. No, I hadn't. But now, from now, from henceforth, I will take Your Honor. I only think of what if Mark Lewis was just a bunch of marshmallow peeps like stacked on top of each other wearing a trench coat?
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The detectives Like there's something off about him. Maybe that's why he looks like the Candy valley. Because they did makeup. He has makeup on. Yeah. Yeah, They turn a bunch of people. Yeah, that makes sense. But is Mark Lewis the greatest actor alive ever seen anything? Yeah. And he's still putting in this before work, criticizing his accent changing, and yet he's literally Carl, how much he's made out of sugar The Mark Lewis.
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Yeah. Yes. Just to be clear, Mark Mark Lewis is the character Carl Hines. yeah. Is the actor. You know, the actor became peeps as the character just to play Markowitz. Yes, that's character actor. But my first thought when I saw him kind of hide his camera, like the first thing we see is his eyeball, and then we see him hide his film camera in his jacket.
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And I was thinking, he's just like a fucking street photographer. That's all. He is hiding this camera, taking pictures of people. What's wrong with that? I mean, technically speaking, then he takes it to another level. What he's doing, it's just what he's getting out of these photos is what is sets him apart. What makes him unique, you know?
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And when he kills the subject matter, then that's. Yeah, it's he adds, it's a little different. But yeah, I do love this opening. I do love how it sets up a kind of reveal that we get later on that is so subtle. When he comes at her, it's obviously from the, from his POV, from the camera's POV, and it's coming after this woman and you see that the flicker of light hit her face.
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Did you guys put it because I didn't put it together the first time. No, I thought it was a knife. That was. I had no idea that was enough of a knife. She was screaming. So she's obviously scared. So I just. Okay. Yeah. From a weapon? Yeah. I didn't know what it was until the end. Yeah. Yeah. I love that there is like.
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So. Yeah, I guess the reveal is not really a twist, but to find out that there is more to it than just this guy going around killing people he has, like it's to him, it's like a, it's an art form. It's like, yeah, it's a is playing with the medium, which is really interesting. No, it's funny though, because that ties him back to Jack in the house.
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Jack, though. yeah. Because he also with the art and things. Yeah. So Yeah. Is Patrick Bateman do that do anything unique with his victims. I don't think so. He didn't necessarily the victims. Yeah. yeah. That's actually bullshit. Or he or he did. He did or we don't know, but yeah, that's a nice bookend. So. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's a great point. You know. And then Patrick Bateman is also similar to Jack in the the OCD kind of ways. So they all are. They're all, Yeah. You know, they're all psycho. Yeah. Weird, Yeah, But when that, when you first see so the sequence of events, the sequence of shots, when this movie opens, it's like his eye and then him hiding his camera under his jacket and then the streets of London with the prostitute setting there.
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And when that scene hit, you see this the the street with all the colors and everything. My brain said, wait a second, I've seen this before. And I said, What does this remind me of? And I said, it is so similar, I think, to the album cover for David Bowie's The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and The Spiders from Mars, which came out.
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That's such a great point in 1972, and I looked it up. It's a little different, but it is very similar. My sister is a very big David Bowie fan, so we had a lot of David Bowie art floating around our okay growing up. Okay. So yeah, it's not exactly the same, but it kind of has that same feel like those, those very saturated colors and it's kind of exactly like underselling it.
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It's literally a shot. Well, that's what I was thinking. I was like, did David Bowie take this, seen this shot and use it as the album cover? He didn't because it is different, but it has a very similar feel to it. It also I know it's not in London, but that runs into Skid Row from Little Shop, of course.
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Okay. Yeah, yeah. good. Good catch. Hey, thanks. Do you think the director said that Michael Powell said that to the actor when he shot the first scene? And he's like, Good, I and it's a shot of his I you do have a good I call hinds fall lines Karlheinz bum. A lot of people credit this movie as kind of starting the whole first person stalker thing in slasher movies.
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there's a great line you know I mentioned Scream earlier and if anyone listening is familiar with Scream four, Kirby Reed, played by Hayden Panettiere character, she is on the phone with the killer and he's doing the classic Ghostface like trivia. And he asks her, which is the first movie to put the audience in a killer's P.O.V.? Did she say Bryce among them?
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Well, I think she says Psycho. yeah, she's a psycho. And he says that she's incorrect because he said none of the above is a trick question. Peeping Tom, which Zack you said came out two months prior to Psycho. Yeah. So she lost that by just a couple of months by technicality. Yeah, well, she's lucky, isn't she?
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Yeah, because she, spoiler alert, made it to five or 60605 offscreen. she was five. There's little cameo. yeah. If you look closely she's in a YouTube video. That's right. That's right. Yeah. So scream seven. What the hell is going on. Yeah, she's in this gracious. Everybody's gone. Nobody's getting. it's so messy. Never come back. What's happening?
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But I wonder, you know, like we were like, we're living in this scream seven craziness and it's all social media and, you know, everything's happening in front of us in real time all the time. You got to think like all these old franchises, like Nightmare Friday the 13th. There's something like all the ups and downs behind the scenes that go on and we just never knew about it or totally didn't mean because we didn't have the access that we have now.
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And so, yeah, like there may have been updates in the trades, but the, you know, we weren't reading them right, keeping up to date and every person's opinion on it and totally Yeah that's a good that's a great point. So yeah, the franchise is going to survive. It's just weathered. Yeah, there's just it's all dirty right now. There's like it's very messy.
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Right. So hopefully they can iron out those little creases and move forward. Yes. So he follows this prostitute up into her her room, which looks very similar. If you find out later, it looks very similar to his mother's bedroom in the house where Helen Ellen's room, I guess. Good call, which was his mother's bedroom. It's like there's the fireplace and the beds just to the right of it.
00;31;56;09 - 00;32;22;06
And yeah, it's really just the same room with the same set. Yeah. Cutting. Yes. This is the access is like is a supposed to be the director's like. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it means. Which I don't know what the significance would be, you know, you know they just use the same set but like this is just in some random building and I don't think there's any connection there, but it looked the same to me.
00;32;22;08 - 00;32;47;14
And then we cut to him watching the film back in his apartment. And yeah, I guess said, I think he gets off like his he said 20 minutes and I'm having one so funny to me. But then he kind of like slumped back down in his chair after, like, the climax of the call. I guess he, he definitely shoot.
00;32;47;17 - 00;33;39;20
Definitely shots and ejaculate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He good. He good. He was okay. He cranked the camera. He good. You know. Okay, so. God, no. Sorry. Humans are gross. Yeah. Yeah, indeed. Talk about sexual repression. Yeah. Disgusting. We're just going to have to you. We'll talk about it. Yeah. You're like, I love the shame in this movie.
00;33;39;22 - 00;34;07;28
Yeah. and that brings us right into our second reveal when we actually see Mark Lewis for the first time, he is filming the crime scene that he created the night before, and he's there with his camera. And that's where we first see his face and put the two together. That he was the one that did this. It has one of my favorite lines in the movie, which at first it's not that it went over my head.
00;34;07;28 - 00;34;37;27
I just didn't think about it until I was making a note where he says one of the detectives is is like, Which paper are you with? And he says, The Observer. I was like, They're like, I get it. I see what you're doing. He should have winked like ten times right after dramatically to the detective after saying they call that blinking Danny, he shouldn't have winked both eyes.
00;34;38;00 - 00;35;04;27
yeah. Great intro. Yeah. And we find out that he works for this like a like a newsstand, like a little news shop. Some, like court and or corner store. Yeah. And the guy's. He has hired him to shoot dirty pictures that he can sell to his customers. Like that creepy old guy who wanted to see all the these pictures are not dirty.
00;35;05;00 - 00;35;28;12
You're right. But it's it's it's interesting because he is sort of presented as being kind of a creep. But in actuality, he's not doing anything outside of, you know, what most people are, you know, people who are sexually active would want to do it. Just buying some porn. It just happens to be in a period where it's frowned upon.
00;35;28;15 - 00;35;57;24
And I think that scene is really important because this movie like circles a lot around shame. Like that's very prevalent in this movie. And obviously it's explored too, very in very dark areas. Like it's obviously with Mark, it's it's similar to Norman Bates. It's like taking repression, but using it as a weapon, you know, instead of being comfortable with who you are and like what you're interested in, etc..
00;35;57;27 - 00;36;17;20
And I just thought this scene is really good in terms of kind of, I don't know, like setting up the thesis for the movie, I guess, for lack of a better way to describe that, where it's like repressed sexuality done in a way where we're supposed to laugh because it is treated you know, it's supposed to be kind of funny, but it's kind of sad when you think about it.
00;36;17;20 - 00;36;52;11
Yeah, You know, the guy even ends on like, this funny button of the owner goes, Well, he won't be doing the crossword tonight. Yeah, it's like, no, he's going to jerk off and like, that's okay. And yeah, the whole movie is about this guy who's so repressed that he's turned violent. Yeah. And it's. Yeah, if people could just, like, calm down and, like, let people just be themselves and stop trying to put on these, you know, just trying to hide things and, like, conform and be so afraid and shameful.
00;36;52;13 - 00;37;12;27
Yeah, we wouldn't have, you know, this sort of response are you guys familiar with family video? Yeah. Was family video. It's a nationwide video store. It's like the last one that exists. no, I think they're gone. We didn't have family video. I worked at a I worked at a family video. And they have a little porn room.
00;37;12;29 - 00;37;43;09
Yeah, it. Yeah, it was really and it was really weird when men would come back and say that they didn't work, though, because then I'd have to, like, talk to them about their watching. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, yeah, it's, you know, society has put it on itself, like it creates the thing so that it can say, you're dirty and it's, but it's like you're the one making it that way when it doesn't have to be that way because even just cause like, one person's embarrassed.
00;37;43;16 - 00;38;05;18
Yeah, right. Even the guy with the black book, you know. And Casey, to your point about family video, I worked at a local video store, you know, film fest video, very local mom and pop shop. And we had a like a black binder that had like a just a list of movies. And someone would come in and ask for that and you have to give them the binder.
00;38;05;24 - 00;38;22;05
And then they would tell you which movie they wanted. And then we had all behind the we had them all behind the counter in black boxes, and you had to find it and give it to them. And then it was kind of like, Can I see the book? Yeah, I mean, is like that's, yeah, that's really Zack.
00;38;22;05 - 00;38;41;05
That's literally the scene from this movie is exactly just a little bit because it's DVDs instead of pictures. And so they would like, you know, if you had like a line of people coming in renting movies, they would like stand to the side of the counter and like, look through the book. And it was kind of, yeah, you know, when I was a teenager, I was 19 working that thing.
00;38;41;05 - 00;38;58;27
And it's kind of just like, you know, they'd return the tapes and I'd be like, this is so disgusting. I, I mean, yeah, there is some hygiene involved. Like, I don't know what was on those tapes, but yeah, you're right. You're allowed to have a response to someone else having sex. Yeah, it's just a matter of whether or not they just jerked it and now they're touching the whole.
00;38;58;27 - 00;39;16;20
Yeah. Like touching the body. Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah. It's probably covered in some, you know, but you know, even like, you know, Paul Reubens, Peter Herman in the nineties when he was, he was arrested for jerking off in a porno theater like, Yeah. What do you want him to do. Yeah, that is likely. Yeah. You know, like you.
00;39;16;21 - 00;39;36;10
Yeah. You're probably not supposed to do it because it's a public setting, but like, how many people do that? Yeah, but this is like in a porno theater staged for that. For that. Why are you going to watch porn in a movie theater? Right. Right. It's literally just that. my God. There's so much to unpack there, because that's just.
00;39;36;12 - 00;39;57;04
Yeah, I mean, that's like the. It's no different than a hate crime. You're setting someone up. Yeah. For. Well, that's the thing. Like society punishment puts you in the position, forces you into that position for being a human being. And then they're like, Fuck you, this is wrong or you're dirty or whatever. It's just. It's weird. It's weird.
00;39;57;08 - 00;40;16;15
I just read this. I didn't read the article. I read the headline because that's just what you do. And it said how Pope Francis was recently quoted in saying that sexual pleasure is a gift from God. Okay? And I wanted it to be like, Where the fuck were you on this discussion 50 years ago? Like, what the fuck?
00;40;16;15 - 00;40;48;17
Like, I love that, you know, things should evolve and, like, the times are changing and people change with them. That is healthy. And I don't want to, you know, kind of rain on that parade. But at the same time, so many people's lives were hurt because of this. And obviously, like as a gay man, it's it's hard not to reflect on like a history and seeing what people in the LGBTQ community had to go through just because a few people decided that something upset them or it didn't, you know, line up with their personal values.
00;40;48;22 - 00;41;09;19
Yeah, so it's just really upsetting. And that's why I do love I mean, obviously I love movies like this and Psycho because it's like a fun thriller and it it's, you know, staged well and all of that. And it's scary. But at the same time, like for them to be saying the things that they were saying at the time is just really significant, really important.
00;41;09;19 - 00;41;31;21
And I and I appreciate them. And I and I and I love the filmmakers, especially Michael Powell, who, you know, ultimately had to pay for trying to tell that kind of story. Right. Which is really sad. It is. It is sad. That's also not to say that this character is a murderer. And just because you're repressed does not give you the right to redress.
00;41;31;24 - 00;42;03;00
Right. Like I said, the movie's complex. All right. Let's talk about time in those papers, Jeepers creepers. Okay, so our third reveal is kind of like the psyche behind how he started to become this version of himself. It's when we see his his film that his father made of him as a child. Yeah. When he shows it to Helen, who is his downstairs neighbor, which we find out he's.
00;42;03;07 - 00;42;25;06
He's her landlord. Yeah, but Helen comes up and he shows her this, this film as a present for her 21st birthday. Yeah, man, it's kind of a weird present, but. Well, he admits that. He admits that he's never given a present before. She asks to watch one of the films as a as her 21st birthday present. And I don't.
00;42;25;07 - 00;42;57;17
I'm not sure about it. This is probably the best one he could have chosen. Yeah, all things considered. So there's that. And also, I don't believe that Helen's 21 is one of those just a giveaway for me that she may not be 21. I don't know. Are you thinking higher or lower? higher. O Higher. C I'm thinking lower because she gets hyped up over some milk, which is fucking weird to me.
00;42;57;19 - 00;43;23;09
Yeah, I'd also like milk. Right. Well, he's like, Do you want some milk? And she's like, yes, if you can spare some. yeah, calm down. So give a lid off sippy cups. Man. My friend Stacey, she fucking loves milk. Really? Yeah. How old is she? She's like, You got chocolate honesty these days? He's 34. I know.
00;43;23;09 - 00;43;47;13
State. I don't know. And Stacey loves milk. Isn't that like. Yeah, Yeah. She's one of my close some of my best friends she so she like milk She really does She drinks horror movies road trip milk. She drinks milk all the time. It's like, okay, well her and Helen get along then I think they would get along. Helen's probably dead.
00;43;47;15 - 00;44;15;18
And it it does reinforce the fact that Helen can be 21 and still love milk. Yeah. So speaking of Helen being dead, Helen, played by Anna massey, was actually in The Machinist with Christian Bale. really? wow. Interesting. In that play, Patrick Bateman, who played Patrick Bateman in our last feature, American Psycho. Yeah. Whose son was Michael Powell, who directed peeping Tom.
00;44;15;21 - 00;44;42;07
And you're just looking at him as his son is older than her actor in the movie. We just said, Casey, did you figure it out? Is she 21? I feel like you're on to it. I'm looking at something, but okay, I can find out. Hold on. 905. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I got it. Don't you worry.
00;44;42;09 - 00;45;01;08
In a man. 37, 47, 57. She's 25, Fucking lied to us all the way to us. They always do. But I thought she was. I mean, people just back then, I think, looked more mature. They're like, How do we age her down to be believable as 21? It's like, give her milk. Well, no, she loves milk. People.
00;45;01;08 - 00;45;24;06
You familiar that she's younger. People back then, like, looked older than they were. They just looked more mature. But I think part of it was like they were more they wore different kind of makeup. They were more modest clothing and stuff like that. Yeah. Okay. And then, like, you have this weird in-between period where, like, our generation all looked like fucking children until we were 25 and we dressed like idiots and we always looked stupid.
00;45;24;06 - 00;45;56;14
And now the generation that's currently children look older than they actually are too. Yep. Agreed. Yeah. I mean, like I'm 35, and not that there's anything wrong with it, but I'm 35. Like, wearing this, like, bright green sweatshirt and, you know, I. I don't know. It just, it when you think of someone in the 19 in 1960, you look at these characters and they're wearing like these gorgeous I mean, yeah, I kind of want to, like, sidestep my style and dress wearing suits and nice dresses and yeah, yeah, they look wonderful, but it does, it ages them up.
00;45;56;16 - 00;46;17;07
Yeah, they have hairstyles that also we associate with like people who are older. The girls go, Yeah, like I'm 34 and I have two styles. One of them is I wear crop tops, which is something that younger people wear or I wear clothes that are way too big for me. So, you know, Yeah, I know. It's just dressing like, everyday.
00;46;17;10 - 00;46;41;18
Just wearing like, a nylon thong. Yeah, something like, wow. I thought he was like, when you walk the older. Yeah, yeah. You walk the dog in a nylon thong and a oversize. Yeah. Very literal. Exactly what I'm wearing right now. This sweater. Right. You just can't see the thong. Yeah. Great. We're sitting down. Wonderful. Okay. so it's so little change.
00;46;41;20 - 00;47;07;08
So, hell, 21. She asked to watch this video for her 21st birthday. And what a doozy. She. Yeah, She should not have asked. No. So the video is basically the abuse that she suffered at the hands of his father growing up. And the first part, you know, it just shows him screaming and you don't know why. It doesn't show you why he's screaming, but he's very upset about something.
00;47;07;08 - 00;47;24;09
And then later on, you find out that his dad put a lizard in his bed. Yeah. Yeah. And it looked kind of like a I mean, I don't know much about lizards, but looked kind of dangerous. Yeah, well, it was No, Komodo was basically doing what? That's true. That's true. What Mark does as an adult, he's like, you know, evoking an emotional.
00;47;24;09 - 00;47;46;05
Yes, he's trying. And he says how his dad, like, was studying fear and the nervous system. So like anything that's like jolt like get something and then you just obviously he does like the whole voyeur thing too or he films. Right. Right. And then everything. And so, you know, it shows like his dad gifting him his camera.
00;47;46;07 - 00;48;13;28
So, you know. Yeah. And like, that scene with the people kissing on the park bench. Yeah. Mark, when he's a kid, is, like, up on the up on the brick wall, kind of looking over and his dad is filming it. And so, like, if his dad wasn't there and he happened to, like, peek over and just see the people kissing, I feel like maybe there would have been just like a, giggle, giggle, you know, like throwing something that's for adults then like, move on.
00;48;14;05 - 00;48;35;17
Or when he saw his dad filming everything. I feel like there was kind of a connection that he put together, normalizing it for his son. It's okay. Permission to be a voyeur? Yeah, I'm doing it. So you. 100%. It's crossing that line, and he's the dad. Does it first. Yeah. Just makes it easier for Mark to do it.
00;48;35;18 - 00;48;58;22
Well, once you're old enough to realize that it's not good, you've already been doing it for years, so. Totally. Yeah. So Mark is like living in this world where he has to be sort of repressed, but then he's also kind of because he's not. Whereas I feel like and maybe his dad was the same way, but like, whereas like Mark's dad is this voyeur, this peeping Tom who doesn't, you know, is trying to elicit these responses.
00;48;58;24 - 00;49;28;23
Mark was also that, but also the victim of that. So it that like it like, converges almost into him. Obviously, it doesn't mean you're going to be a serial killer. But like, you start to understand when you have, like, all the ingredients together of, like, why he is who he is. Yeah. Well, I really liked this part of the movie because there aren't very many movies like slasher movies where you actually see behind, like, what you can speculate on and make assumptions and stuff.
00;49;28;25 - 00;50;06;07
But there's never they don't ever just show you a video. You know, in some movies it doesn't work to the benefit. Yeah, it's like, yeah, you know, Halloween works because we don't know a lot about Michael Myers. Right? Right. But I think it serves this particular type of movie, right? It's like, yeah, it's a benefit just because before, like I would say like in Rob Zombie's Halloween it to me that ruined it when you see like his his family life and the dad's just like verbally abusive and all this stuff and yeah and it could just be, you know that's, I mean, it's so loaded because that just could be we know Halloween is what
00;50;06;07 - 00;50;27;22
it is. And then when we see Zombie's remake, it's kind of like, So but sometimes leaving it up to the imagination is a good thing, Right? Exactly. So I, I guess I guess I'm wondering if my criticism is because it was Rob Zombie change the original Halloween or if it's because, now we know too much about Michael Myers, but blah, blah, blah.
00;50;27;27 - 00;50;56;06
I wonder where my criticism is coming from. No, I think that's totally valid because it's hard to kind of separate it because you have so much history with someone like Michael Myers, just like the original Halloween. And I guess it just comes down to like what the point of the movie is because you kind of in Psycho, I guess they spend more time in the sequels, kind of exploring his backstory, but it still works, I think, because it is about like why he does what he does.
00;50;56;06 - 00;51;20;06
Whereas in Halloween, Dr. Loomis specifically points out the fact that, like, you know, like he has the devil's eyes, like, we don't know why he does it. It is about mystery and the . So it kind of it defeats the purpose to explain it in that story. But in this one, you need it to understand it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00;51;20;08 - 00;51;58;12
The cycle of trauma, basically. Yeah. So this is I think this would be a good time to the psychiatrist later in this movie mentioned to this. But I think now would be a good time to talk about sculpt Ophelia. Yes. As what the psychiatrist says when Mark asks him, How does one become a peeping Tom? So sculpt Ophelia, according to Merriam-Webster, is a desire to look at sexually stimulating scenes, especially as a substitute for actual sexual participation.
00;51;58;15 - 00;52;31;03
So that's just watching porn. Yeah. So is it really just about watching something for sexual pleasure? So. So Peeping Tom is just also associated with watching porn. So what I got was stop Ophelia without the T is just is about looking stop total philia is about voyeurism so like looking without permission basically. Yeah. Okay. And getting some kind of I would assume, some kind of sexual pleasure.
00;52;31;10 - 00;52;51;01
Just watching sexual gratification. That's got to stop, though, Ophelia. Yes. Like when he's going on a date with Helen and she makes him leave his camera and he stops. He sees those people making out and he like and he would just, like, stops and stares and he grabs his camera and she's like, Marc, it's okay. I love that.
00;52;51;01 - 00;53;15;14
Come on. It's so sad because you can see him like it reminds me of like, someone who actually has an addiction. Yeah. And you finally have someone who's sort of like, standing to support you and there, you know, like she is sort of replacing the drug, so to speak. Yeah. He cares for her enough to allow that to happen.
00;53;15;16 - 00;53;38;03
And then she's also there to encourage him or to discourage him from giving in to his addictions. And he's because in that scene he thinks her, which I was like, like it's so sad because even though like, you can't really fully sympathize with Mark because he is a serial killer and that doesn't justify like just because he has like a dark past doesn't justify his actions.
00;53;38;06 - 00;54;01;11
It is sad to see that maybe he had that support sooner in his life. Yeah, of course, if you've gotten so far and you're like witnessing it after it, it's like it's all the more tragic, right? Also, we do find out in this when we meet the dad like this reveal, Marc has a kink in this phobia and that kink is fear.
00;54;01;14 - 00;54;36;05
And as we don't kink shame, but well, we will when it involves killing people to get off. Yes, but we've seen that. But there is an asterisk around that claim. Yeah. Yeah. Also in this scene, what I really you get a lot of you see like his dad always filming Marc kind of just doing like random things. But specifically he mentions the fact that he recorded him during his mother's death, like, all the way up to the funeral and then also to who Marc refers to as his her his mom's successor.
00;54;36;07 - 00;54;59;09
So his step mom. But one line that kind of broke my heart is when you see how Marc has kind of he's there's he's he's lost so much humanity and he refers to his mother's death as the, quote unquote, previous sequence when he's describing it to Helen as opposed to saying, this is the time my mom died. He said, this is the in the previous sequence.
00;54;59;12 - 00;55;18;20
Yeah. So you see how like technical it all is. So when he is killing people, it's you can almost if you were to like kind of get into the psyche and understand why he does what he does, there is this technical element to it as opposed to an emotional element which is really sad. Damn. Yeah. And I can't help.
00;55;18;20 - 00;55;42;26
I keep comparing it with Norman Bates, but like I feel like Norman is the opposite, where he is fueled purely by emotion. It's just this interesting, you know, compare and contrast between the two especially. It's crazy. They came out like at the same time it's so wild. It really just upsets me though. Like, I mean, we already talked about it, but just like poor Michael Powell.
00;55;42;28 - 00;56;12;17
Really? Thank God is I mean, I wish is repeating because you don't really hear it's not like people talk about Michael Powell, you know, in I mean, I'm sure there's like smaller film circles of, like big, you know, movie nerds. But, you know, everyone knows Alfred Hitchcock is a household name, whereas Michael Powell, who made something just as iconic as an important, I would say, in film history, in the horror genre as Hitchcock just kind of under the radar for the most part.
00;56;12;19 - 00;56;51;13
Right. But what are going to do now? Okay. Our next reveal, Marc kills Vivian. shit. A.K.A Reba mcEntire. So she looks like Reba. Yeah, that's. That's what I should do. I know. I fucking killed her. That dance she was doing. What the fuck was that? I loved that you did that. Every time I warm up to right music, Mike, I had the captions on, and every time she turned on that radio, it said upbeat jazz.
00;56;51;16 - 00;57;15;26
Upbeat jazz, accompanied by a really fucking dumb dance. man. Yeah. Vivian, chill out with those dance moves. I mean, come on. Yeah, we know you guys is a real monster. Yes. Maybe. So. This during this sequence here, when he's. It was very it was very suspenseful because we all kind of know what he's going to do, but.
00;57;16;02 - 00;57;35;14
Right. It just keeps building up. And there were so many, like powerful shots of Mark in this scene just from a film from underneath when he's my God, when he's descending from the rig, I don't know what you would call that platform. It's like the crane. It's kind of like a crane. Yeah. And he just reveals himself to her.
00;57;35;16 - 00;57;52;29
I then maybe my favorite shot in the movie. Okay. Yeah. Great reveal. Like, so much power. And, like, you know, he is on a set now, so, like, we, you know, he is the he's the director. Yeah. And he's like, this godly presence, sort of, like, raining down on his victim and, like, I know exactly what I'm going to do to you.
00;57;52;29 - 00;58;12;04
I'm going to get away with it. You have no idea. Yeah. Which is kind of funny to see him. Like in contrast to the actual director of the movie that he's working on. So it's just kind of just like that and if erratic is the right word. But he's like, again, again, again. No. All right. Again, again. And he's like the Stanley Kubrick.
00;58;12;04 - 00;58;34;05
Where the. And then yeah, and then Mark is Stanley Kubrick just like, wait, are you saying the other guy is Stanley Kubrick? Yeah, the actual director is Stanley. for the repetition. yeah. Okay. He's a statement Kubrick wanted. Yeah, Yeah, he's repetitive because he's a clown, as opposed to being a perfectionist. Well, I heard why David Fincher does so many takes.
00;58;34;06 - 00;58;54;26
Have you guys heard this? No. No. So Fincher is notorious for doing, like, 80 takes of a scene. And what he said is that, like when an actor of like a high caliber an actor, like a really good actor, is coming to work for him, he'll like they'll have read the scene, they'll have prepared, they'll like they know what they're doing.
00;58;54;28 - 00;59;10;19
And he tries to break them of that because they'll get there and they have it in their head how they want to do it. And he wants to strip all that away and just get down to like the natural they that keep organic. Yeah. All of it. Yeah. Which is Yeah. Because the more you rehearse something I mean Yeah.
00;59;10;21 - 00;59;46;24
Rehearsed Right. It becomes rehearse. Yeah totally. You know what I love? I love it when they find her body. Yeah. Because that's, that's another, another Great. A use of suspense where it's like not even played for scares, but the concept of suspense still works just as effectively. Yeah. Yeah. It's more of his voyeurism too, because he not only likes to see the fear on the people's faces when he kills them, but he likes to see what the reactions of the people are when they find Yeah, that's I love that that scene when they do find the body because he can't help himself.
00;59;46;24 - 01;00;02;16
He has to because he's I don't even think he Yeah. Because he wasn't anticipating the fact that they would find it because when they mention the fact that they're going to use the blue trunk where the body is, is he lights up and then he grabs his camera and films it and it's sort of like, you know, you can't help it.
01;00;02;16 - 01;00;23;26
It's like when you're watching Jack or in the house that Jack built where you're not rooting for them, but you can't help like Zack. You mentioned when he's climbing across to get across the pit, you can't help because you're in there, you know, you know, for like because it's literally P.O.V. in this movie, but you're in there POV so you can't help but empathize with them a little bit.
01;00;23;28 - 01;00;44;17
They kind of share that suspense and attach it to them, but at the same time, you're like, not rooting for them. Yeah, it's just I was like, don't take your camera out. They're going to know. Yeah. And there are killers that do like there were a couple of things in this movie. There's that like there are killers who do like to see people's reactions when they find the bodies.
01;00;44;19 - 01;01;12;08
And then there was another part earlier after they find the first woman that he killed and he's in that store with the newspapers and he just like, spreads them all out. yeah. Look, these are pictures because it's on the front page. Yeah, that was. I like that for. yeah. No, that was cool. And this is where we first see what he is using to kill his victims is when he takes the end off his tripod.
01;01;12;08 - 01;01;49;14
In here, there's a big blade on the end of it. Yeah, there was. Okay, I may be looking way too deeply into this, but in that scene, when Vivienne does her little dumb dance, I was just wondering, like, what was the significance of this kill? You know, because she's a stand in so she's not the main actress, but she wants to be you know, she wants to it's this idea of like wanting to be in front of the camera, wanting to be, you know, the center of attention and then, I don't know, I was trying to it might be a stretch, but I was trying to make this connection with this idea of the people
01;01;49;14 - 01;02;17;14
like we were talking about who kind of make the roles that, like, dictate, you know, social norms and oppression and like what is acceptable, which in a sense is very performative because we all have natural urges and shirts and whatnot like this, like for the sake of the survival of the human race, you got to and I fuck that dick for her to, like, do this, like, fuck that dick.
01;02;17;16 - 01;02;40;02
You know, But like, and then in this scene, Vivian's literally being she's putting on a performance. And it's not until she's sort of like confronted with her fate, like, with, like, what is, like, kind of like a basic emotion, which is what he's evoking from his victims before he kills them, which he's trying to see a real fear.
01;02;40;02 - 01;02;56;17
It's like he's is forcing them to look at it before he kills them and forces them to, like, pay for it. I just thought that was really if that was, again, might be a stretch but I thought it was an interesting way to kind of present that to show like it is kind of all song and dance and perform and we're all being so performative.
01;02;56;17 - 01;03;21;07
But at the end of the day, like your natural instincts and will ultimately, you know, overpower this performance, this song ensures in the end when push comes to shove. Yeah, well, it's kind of like he wants to be a director and that's like a big thing of, you know, all these great directors that they would find these ways and push their actors to get real performances out of them.
01;03;21;09 - 01;03;48;21
Know, instead of just set rehearse kind of 100%. I'm on the screen and here's what people want to see. Yeah, Like the fact that this movie's set includes cameras and film sets and, you know, it's. There's an accent. Yeah. And so I think that's what makes it so interesting because it's so on the nose and what it's trying to say or on the throat.
01;03;48;23 - 01;04;11;24
I think that was the knife hit in the throat. I thought so. I thought that was like a good point. Know Mark has a good point and is on his tripod weapon. So what if what if all of his victims say that right before? She's like, that's a good point. And they laugh. It's like, I must be afraid before I kill you.
01;04;11;24 - 01;04;39;09
And they blink at the camera again. It's like, That's not what I want it stop blinking. He's like, okay, we're going to do that again. And she's just dead. She's like, David, you forgot it. Final. This was. And then we get our next reveal of when Mrs. Stevens, Helen's mom, kind of finds out that Mark has some kind of issues going on.
01;04;39;12 - 01;05;06;25
Yeah, She didn't trust him. She knew. She knew before. Yeah, but this is kind of like there's more to it than she initially thought, I think. Yeah. Yeah. They're like. Or like her. Her suspicions are valid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's when he's watching the film of that, he took a Vivian when he killed her. That didn't come out the way he wanted it to.
01;05;06;27 - 01;05;30;02
And So then he kind of freaks out and he's like, I need somebody else. Let me use this poor, unsuspecting blind woman. I shouldn't say unsuspecting. She knows something's up. Maybe the most suspecting. Yeah, the most fantastic thing. Yeah, but then he doesn't go through with that. He, he backs out because. Yeah, he's such a complicated character because he doesn't.
01;05;30;08 - 01;05;50;14
He has a conscience, it seems like. I mean, slightly. I think it's different because it's how its mom he likes Helen. Yeah, Yeah. You know, But there is a push and pull for him to even like Helen doesn't mean he has a conscience. I don't know what because, like, he knows. I mean, having a conscience, the right is like knowing what's right and wrong.
01;05;50;17 - 01;06;16;08
Well, sure, but that's also the definition of, like, insanity. To Okay. Like that would mean that every killer has a conscience because very, very, very rarely are they actually found insane rather than guilty. You know what I mean? Okay. So they know what they're doing. Yes. They know what they're doing is wrong. Right. When you go to court, if you plead insanity, the only way you can get away with it is if the court finds that you don't know the definition between right and wrong.
01;06;16;10 - 01;06;40;24
Gotcha twisting. Okay. So they've all got a conscience. They don't kill everybody. You know, we talked about this last time. They don't kill everybody. Yeah, you know, Okay, so I don't know what I was talking about, saying that he had a conscience because he didn't actually kill the mother. Right. Okay. Why? What is it about Helen? I don't know.
01;06;40;25 - 01;07;07;13
That is enough for him to know. She likes Mel to kill her. Is it? She likes milk. He knows he's. He's. She's healthy with that. Things, I don't think. Yeah. Drink anything. Drinking milk. Is that healthy for you? But because it could have something to do with the fact that like he tends to go his victims tend to be people who sort of put themselves out there, you know, like sex workers, prostitutes, actors.
01;07;07;17 - 01;07;29;21
I mean, yeah, maybe there's but the thing is, like even serial killers can love people, you know what I mean? Even serial killers have families. They have wives and children. And, you know, so, you know, they can still have not all of them are complete sociopaths that don't have any feelings, you know, So they can develop feelings for people just like anybody could.
01;07;29;23 - 01;07;51;16
Okay. And I think I think he would be a like a prime example of that. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of. Danny, like you were saying earlier, it's almost like a almost like an addiction, which. Yes, this kind of a killing, you know what I mean? And so he knows it's wrong, but he can't help it. And so, you know, he basically lives a normal life.
01;07;51;16 - 01;08;12;22
Other than that, yeah, he's not, like, unaware of things. Like he's he can still function. Yeah, he does one thing. Yeah. Go back to Buffalo Bill. Remember, he felt bad for killing those people, but he still killed them. yeah. So he would be. So Mark is a product killer or a what was the other one? Process. Process killer?
01;08;12;24 - 01;08;31;03
He would be. He's a process killer because. Yes, because he likes the fear. But at the same time he does like when they find people. But I'm not sure if that necessarily falls into the category of it's almost like an extension of the process. Yes. Yeah, he's a process killer because he likes to watch them. You know, he records himself killing them and then watches them again.
01;08;31;05 - 01;08;49;01
He likes the FBI, stuff like that. Okay. But then watching it back on his films, making a film, wouldn't that be a product? No, because he doesn't like the dead body. So the product killers are like Jeffrey Dahmer, who likes to have sex with the dead bodies and eat them and stuff like that. He likes the human emotion that they're.
01;08;49;02 - 01;09;17;01
Yes. He likes the process of killing, too. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha, Gotcha. He has this great quote, which, to be honest, is like it stood out to me and I'm still kind of trying to process like process. I'm still trying to product what he's saying. But he says instincts a wonderful thing. He says or Mr. Stephen says, I don't know and I don't think it matters.
01;09;17;01 - 01;09;39;09
But they say instincts a wonderful thing. Pity it can't be photographed. So I thought that was really interesting too, that Mr. Stevens, Mrs. Stevens, is also very aware of this. Maybe she understands Mark a little bit like, okay, I get that you're this broken guy who's clearly closed off in his world, and she seems to have known the father, too.
01;09;39;11 - 01;10;03;08
So maybe she has a little bit more insight into like who Mark grew up with and how he was influenced. Yeah. And that's why she's like, stay away from my daughter is 100%. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like I understand you, but fuck off. Yeah. She can always tell. Like what? He's in the window, so. yeah. I love how they have.
01;10;03;09 - 01;10;25;29
I love Mrs. Stevens. She's probably my favorite character in the movie because it's this idea of, like, the fact that she's blind. It's kind of like telling us, like, you don't need to see something to understand it necessarily, which is really. I feel like there's some kind of connection between them because like, whenever they're pouring drinks, there's two transitions of when someone's pouring a drink.
01;10;26;03 - 01;11;03;23
And I think it's. Marc pouring the drink or a chemical that like pours the drink and then it transitions into Mrs. Stevens pouring whiskey. So when he's developing film, there's more. She puts whiskey and then it transitions back into him pouring chemical into. She does drink a lot. I wonder if there's something to do with like addiction and, you know, kind of being held by this process, you know, like the the fact that she's kind of when she's overwhelmed or stressed, she just turns to her whiskey.
01;11;03;23 - 01;11;29;02
And when he's kind of overwhelmed, he turns to his process. And both are kind of like self-harming to me or something. Kind of that, you know, kinda. Yeah. Yeah, that could be for sure. Yeah, that's a good catch. And on to our final reveal. Yes. And who is it? It's where the hell In watches the film that he's been making.
01;11;29;05 - 01;11;59;15
And it is revealed to her that Mark is what he is and he tells her all about his problem. Yeah. And, yeah, things get a little intense. Yeah. This is very strange to me. They've been flirting with each other for, like, a week, right? Yeah. And she's like, they're in love. She's like, okay, kind of like she's like, Tell me what's the matter?
01;11;59;15 - 01;12;19;12
And it's like, No, you should say, What the fuck? And then you can leave. Like, yeah, he, like, plays all these recordings of he's like, every room in this house is bugged. And I've been recording you, and she, like, hugs him and she's like, Yeah, why? Tell me what's happening? And they're all like, breathing really heavily. Like, like, I don't know.
01;12;19;12 - 01;12;43;19
It's so weird. Yeah. He's like, let me see. You frightened. He's like, Yeah, let me see your face. I'll fucking goo. Yeah, but, but yeah, I'm like, he does. I mean, you know, like, I can understand. Some people ignore red flags, but this is a big one. This is a yeah, big, big, big red flag. This man is murdering people.
01;12;43;21 - 01;13;06;23
It was listening to what attracted to him in the first place is that she was so caring and like, sympathetic probably. But I'm talking about passing. That's what I'm saying. Like now we see like there's actually. Yeah, but I'm telling him sympathetic to I'm caring and sympathetic too. But yeah, if I found out that I was flirting with a man for a week and he told me he was killer, I probably would.
01;13;06;23 - 01;13;32;26
I probably would never talk to him again. Probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you're a killer, that's something you should lead with. You're like, Yeah. To see, you know, I don't even know. Yeah. So it's like she can't even blame it being on the deck, you know, full disclosure and, you know. Yeah. So yeah, to have no hate ever, if there's sometimes the dick, do you know what I'm saying is they have success.
01;13;32;28 - 01;14;05;05
I agree Dani. I agree. I will overlook Red flag. But the sex is good enough. Yes, absolutely. But they haven't had sex yet. Say that. Not because the dick do it, but the dick did not hit the dick did not in this situation. Yeah, I do love again there's I mean, I, I love this movie so much and there's a lot of just shots that I love, but I thought it was just like, so smart that when she sees the tapes we don't see the tapes.
01;14;05;05 - 01;14;41;17
We only see her reaction. It's like the whole point of the movie, like such a little detail, so beautiful, yeah, I love it. And speaking of reactions, this is where we see that he. We see finally see what that light is that in everybody's faces, it is a mirror which is like Con Kupferberg or something. Yeah It's it's like, warped in some way that, like, they see their face, but it's all twisted and they see their own face when they're there's a blade coming at them.
01;14;41;23 - 01;15;06;15
But it's twisted and mangled and just creepy. Then he says, Fear is the most frightening thing in the world. So then for him to force his victims to stare at their own fear before they die is like, poetic and disturbing. Yeah, I know. good. I was going to say no, it's not technically part of the reveal, but if I could stab, that's often throat.
01;15;06;18 - 01;15;30;21
yeah, he said. He says, I'm afraid and I'm glad. I'm afraid. I'm like, is I have something to do with like again, like there's the addiction thing. So it's like maybe he found a window for him to kind of beat the addiction. And the only way to beat it was to kind of like end himself. I mean, that's why a lot of people that are addicts commit suicide.
01;15;30;23 - 01;15;55;22
Yeah But it felt like it was coming from a place of like empathy, which seemed unique for him. Like maybe maybe Mark was naturally empathetic as like a child before his dad, like, fucked him up. Yeah. In that in his final moments, maybe he was able to kind of be his pure self rather than his. Like what his dad kind of made him.
01;15;55;25 - 01;16;15;12
So it, like, just makes it all the more tragic. But it is also kind of common is like a commentary. Like what his voyeurism and everything, like represented in the first place. Yeah. We're that it ends on the dad's voiceover where he says Don't be silly There's nothing to be afraid of. My weird I don't know.
01;16;15;15 - 01;16;41;07
I was trying to figure out, like, what it meant, like in the context of the movie. Yeah. Because he's saying, like, is he kind of shaming emotion, You know, because fear is like a basic thing. And he's telling a child like, don't do that. That's silly accessibility, all these things. And it's weird because that was his whole exploration was that he was studying the effects of fear in children.
01;16;41;10 - 01;17;01;06
Yeah. So exactly. So it's like he's, he's like pulling this emotion out of him. He's forcing him to confront it and then he's shaming him for feeling it. So Well, it's kind of silly at this. Like, it's kind of like we were talking about society, like putting all these things in place so that that with natural, you know, you're set up sexual needs.
01;17;01;08 - 01;17;25;05
Yeah. They put all these roadblocks in place. And then when you try to fulfill one of your human basic needs, they're like, no, that's to proceed. So it's kind of like the dad. Yeah. He's like, Be afraid. Be afraid. Don't be afraid. Yeah, don't be afraid, little bitch. It's not always be afraid like, basically, don't be scared that you.
01;17;25;10 - 01;17;52;07
Yeah, but if the skin is this, it should always scare you. So. Yeah, it's. It's that can instead of the tactic, it's. There's nothing to be afraid of, you know, be it. Yup. Do you remember Mortal Kombat? I know there's two at one or two or whatever that you'd like. Do something with Scorpion with the fire and the guy would pop up in the corner of the screen and he'd say, These.
01;17;52;09 - 01;18;27;05
Wow. You know, I remember that. Yes, I Mike's dad the pop up and be like, you little bitch, you bitch bitches. God. All right, well, that's peeping Tom in a in a celluloid frame. I always try to think of fun things instead of nutshell, but Shell. But yeah, that's. That's peeping Tom in a nutshell. Turtle member turtles Internal.
01;18;27;08 - 01;19;21;15
So where are you going to say that? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, that's turtles in a nutshell. my God. Okay, so that is Peeping Tom. Okay, so now let's take a vote on our favorite reveals of Peeping Tom. dear. please. Anyone. That's how they can to their understanding. how. Okay, Casey, what is your favorite feel? I think it's got to be the last one because you actually see the mirror and you actually get all the full idea of what's going on.
01;19;21;18 - 01;19;48;15
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. So just to recap, we've got we've got the reveal to the prostitute at the beginning. We've got the first time we see his face recording, the crime scene the next day. It's like our review of our reveal to him or his reveal to us or whatever. Yeah, we've got the childhood film from his father.
01;19;48;17 - 01;20;10;03
We've got Mark killing Vivienne, we've got Mrs. Stevens interaction with him. We've got our honorable mention of Milly, which is off screen. And then we have when Helen sees the film at the end and it's the big reveal of his, his whole up with the mirror and everything like that. So, Casey, you're going with the final, final reveal.
01;20;10;05 - 01;20;33;21
Yes. Danny, what about you? Damn it. I, I wrote down the Vivienne scene specifically for that shot of him descending on the entire rig. What is that? Well, it's sort of like a crane. It's like the platform that, like, the crane would be on. Or so descending. A crane will the camera on it. But it's like where they would stand.
01;20;33;24 - 01;20;57;13
Okay. So yeah, I originally had the Vivienne scene where Mark is descending from the crane that is loved as like a reveal of as the monster. And like what that kind of visualization, what it represents. But yeah, I mean, Casey mentions seeing the reveal of, like, it's so good that shot in like, that, the image of Helen's face and the warped mirror.
01;20;57;15 - 01;21;13;22
Yeah. I'm going to stick with the Vivienne scene of just in terms of, like, meeting him as the monster. Okay. Like that kind of encapsulated a lot of what I liked in the movie, even though I. Yeah, I mean, I love everything about this movie, but I'm going to. I'm going to pick the Vivienne scene. Yeah.
01;21;13;26 - 01;21;32;05
Okay. I also think it's interesting in the final scene, too, like you said, he shows Helen in the mirror and stuff, but she's like the only victim that gets to see that. Well, she doesn't die. Yeah, right. Yeah, that's a good point. She's kind of like the final girl she got to see. Like, her own because they love each other.
01;21;32;05 - 01;21;59;20
After a week, they still survived. Yeah. Yeah. After not receiving any dickens in the mail. No, Dickens. The girls in love. She didn't get that, but she did get clipped. Ooh, Yeah. that's what he says. I can't get clipped or dipped. Well, she wanted those pictures for her children's book, so. yeah. true. I'm going to go with the final reveal, too.
01;21;59;20 - 01;22;29;29
That scene with the Mirror, it's just. It's pretty horrific. But seriously. All right, well, now time for a segment that we like to call the real Monster. Running around, running as fast as you can. You can catch me. I'm the gingerbread man. You're a monster. And I'm not monster. Here you are. You and the rest of that fairy tale trash poisoning my perfect world.
01;22;30;01 - 01;22;56;11
Now, tell me, where are the others? Take me. Are, Danny, why don't you start us off with your real monster? I've got to ask me. First one is basically everyone who played some kind of role in ruining Michael Paul's career. Yeah, You know, it's like the movie's literally a commentary on repression and shame, and that's exactly how they behaved in response to it.
01;22;56;13 - 01;23;25;11
So. Okay. Yeah, I don't know, like looking back at it, like retroactively you could kind of put like a beautiful narrative out of it and it's fascinating. But at the time and still it's just very sad. So. Yeah. Fuck. My second is rightfully so. Chunks that don't unlock from the inside. I've seen so many movies where, like, you know, like, what was that movie about?
01;23;25;14 - 01;24;04;14
fucking a But what's a movie with Michelle Pfeiffer and Batman Returns? Well, like, you know, it's. It's like the ocean at the end of the Titanic between two oceans. Who's the actor from Hair? Which actor? Trip Trick treat. Williams, Treat, not treat. Williams, Treat Prince, Treat. Williams. Michelle Pfeiffer. She loses her son. And before she loses a son, there's a scene where the brothers are playing.
01;24;04;14 - 01;24;39;16
And the older the deep end of the ocean, the deep end of the ocean. Kids don't get lost, people lose them. I always loved that line in the trailer as a kid. Yeah, but yeah, he locks the brother in the trunk. And I remember as someone who has severe claustrophobia, as noted in Our Biggest Fears triple feature series, where my biggest fear was claustrophobia and we watched the movie Devil because they're stuck in claustrophobic inside an elevator.
01;24;39;18 - 01;24;57;22
yeah. Put up a little safety little thing in there. If you get locked in, you go, you know. Yeah. Not that it would have helped this Vivienne. She was dead, but so she did just it just scary. That's it. Yeah. Because, I mean, they have those like in trunks, right? In car trunks. Yeah. From the inside. Yeah.
01;24;57;28 - 01;25;16;16
Yeah. Just, I mean, simple safety mechanism. What do you. What are you doing? Trunk builders here. Close. Someone in a body can fit in it. You should have an easy out. Yeah, but it wouldn't actually be that easy. Because if you think it, it's like a a regular, like a car trunk is spring loaded, you know, so you can connect it to, to open from both sides.
01;25;16;16 - 01;25;54;13
But you can't do that with the trunk because they're buckled We should Greenwell spring load those bitches. Yeah we need spring loaded trucks. Okay. Okay. I have two real monsters. I have studio executives, right? The one in this movie, when we first see, we first go to the film set that we find out that Mark Lewis is working on and the executive says due to the economy, if you can see it and hear it, the first take is, okay.
01;25;54;15 - 01;26;21;03
So basically he's like, the economy sucks. We can't spend money on film. There's no more than there's no more than one take If you can see it and you can hear it, print it, move on, which is bullshit, because how do you make art like it's not true? You know, it's art. It's not. And my sick real monster isn't Vivian for her lack of on set safety.
01;26;21;05 - 01;26;48;16
okay. Yeah, she does her little dance move her little crazy, upbeat jazz number. And while she's doing that, she's doing things like spinning lights. Like, she's got, like, I don't know, it just seemed very dangerous. Yeah. As Aerosmith would have said, she's living on the edge. She's living on the edge. Yeah. Vivian Vivian was like, She's a troublemaker in this movie.
01;26;48;16 - 01;27;12;11
She's. She is annoying jazz music. She's not safe. Not safe. She has no idea that this guy is clearly just preparing to murder her. Is not to murder you like no self awareness, right? Okay. So who do you have? Real monster. I have three. The first one, as we stated earlier, is Vivian. But it's for her dance moves.
01;27;12;13 - 01;27;36;22
Yes, they're atrocious. My second one is Helen's mom. I can't remember her name. This is Mrs. Stephens. that's it. Okay. Mrs. Stevens or Steven. Mrs.. My second one is this Stevens. Because she's a liar. She's a dirty alcoholic. She would deny, though, because she's sitting there with her whiskey, and Helen does something to her about not drinking too much.
01;27;36;22 - 01;28;01;18
And she says if you're back in 5 minutes, I won't even have finished this. And then as soon as Helen turns around, she fucking chugs her glass of whiskey and some water. Yeah. Stevens, dirty bitch. And my third real monster is the director of the movie. Because after that actress found a dead body, how do you just expect her just to come back and just keep going?
01;28;01;21 - 01;28;23;23
Yeah. And then she sees a body and faints, and he's like, she fainted in the wrong scene. Yeah. And then they come right back and look. All right, we're just doing hats now. And he's really, really upset that she can't just. Power TV directors in general are the real monster in this episode. No, like the real director, the dad, everyone trying to dictate, like, sex scenes and sequences.
01;28;23;25 - 01;28;47;18
Yeah. And then the director even goes to the psychiatrist and he's like, How can we fix this? And he's like, You're going to need, like, months of therapy. Yeah. Danny Good point. Maybe it is directors, maybe it is a man. Okay, well, that is all we have for Peeping Tom, and that is all we have for our Silver screen Slashers triple feature.
01;28;47;20 - 01;29;08;29
We did. If you guys have seen Peeping Tom and you want to talk about it more, find us on social media. How I Met Your Monster on Facebook. Instagram X, or even on Tik-tok and How I Met Your Monster. So Sheryl Lee Fan and feelings with Peeping Tom. Yes, we will be on only fans secret account if you can find us.
01;29;09;05 - 01;29;43;20
Good luck. Yeah. Make sure to join us for our newest triple feature, which will be arriving shortly. Casey, what is our subject of discussion? Our next triple feature is is that a possession in your pocket or are you just happy to? I don't remember. We actually did on working title. Working title. Remember? Think we decided that I think we are calling our next triple feature under the influence.
01;29;43;22 - 01;30;09;09
okay. Okay. Our not to be confused is that a demon in your pocket? Are you just possessed? is that what it was? Is that okay? Okay, well, either way. So, yeah, our next year will feature is under the influence and we are covering possession movies. That's right. That's right. What was new to come up with that?
01;30;09;11 - 01;30;30;13
Good one, Daddy. We will be covering Night of the Demons, followed by the dark in the wicked and wrapping it up nicely. Talk to me. Yeah. I think this might be my favorite triple feature ever. This is a pretty good lineup, you guys, because the dark and the wicked and to me are like two of my favorite movies.
01;30;30;15 - 01;30;54;03
they're kind of even since I was a wee lad saying Angela scared to me. Yeah, not even just scared me in movie, but the VHS. my God. Where? The night of the Demons. One, two and three. I'll feature Angela on the front. And they were like, So scary. Yeah. They're like, I'm not even kidding. Maybe one of the scariest images of my childhood.
01;30;54;09 - 01;31;20;07
Like, you did not look at that tape. But I watched movie all the time up. It's so iconic in in my Child video store excursions, seeing those tapes on the shelf. my God. what a good lineup we got. Yeah. Fun, campy, horror, dark in the wicked, which I have not seen, but I'm being told is pretty dark and disturbing.
01;31;20;09 - 01;31;40;09
Yeah. And then jump to me, which I did watch recently, which is dark and disturbing, but also fun. So we're getting a I still have yet to see it. So, I mean, I can't tell you to watch it, but. Okay. Yeah. So, so make sure to join us for our Under the Influence triple feature. And until then, where can our listeners find you guys on social media?
01;31;40;12 - 01;32;16;27
I am on Instagram at Wolfmother. KC Awesome. Danny I'm on various social media platforms under a name Danny Salem Day and NY, Sally Mimi, Melanie Burton on your hands. And if you find Miller attached to the end of it, that's also me. Because sometimes I go by that, sometimes I don't, because like you don't say this every week, it's so complicated because he didn't say anything about Eminem's, but he just said Danny Miller melon here, but not near.
01;32;17;00 - 01;32;45;02
He just said, Danny, slow melon, you're but not in your hand. he didn't say to him like no one says, yeah. So, Danny, make sure you mention that Eminem's next ten or I never miss them any more. But you can melt your butt and you can find me on social media at that sick. Thank you all for listening.
01;32;45;02 - 01;33;29;07
Now go meet the monsters.