We wrap up our MINDF*CKS triple feature with David Lynch's surrealist sensory experience through celebrity success and self-destruction. Everybody wants to be somebody, every somebody is someone else, and the Hollywood elite are anything but sweet, as we follow our dreams to the outer limits of La-La land, to meet the mysterious Mr. Roque and his army of dreamers, schemers and doppelgangers in Mulholland Drive.
We wrap up our MINDF*CKS triple feature with David Lynch's surrealist sensory experience through celebrity success and self-destruction. Everybody wants to be somebody, every somebody is someone else, and the Hollywood elite are anything but sweet, as we follow our dreams to the outer limits of La-La land, to meet the mysterious Mr. Roque and his army of dreamers, schemers and doppelgangers in Mulholland Drive.
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How I Met Your Monster
Today we wrap up our Mind triple feature with David Lynch's surrealist sensory experience through celebrity success and self-destruction. Everybody wants to be somebody. Every somebody is someone else, and the Hollywood elite are anything but sweet. As we follow our dreams to the outer limits of La-La land, to meet the mysterious Mr. Roach and his army of dreamers, schemers and doppelgangers in Mulholland Drive.
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How I Met Your Monster
You're listening to how I Met Your Monster, a podcast that explores the introductions to your favorite movie monsters. My name is Zack. I'm Danny and I'm Casey. And together, we dive into the world of horror to find out how filmmakers have introduced us to our favorite monsters time and time again. This is how I met Your Monster.
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Welcome to how I Met Your Monster, the show where we discuss introductions to your favorite movie monsters. Guys, let's wrap up mind fucks. Rapid surprise! We made it this far. Let's finish fucking these minds. Let's finish fucking these minds. This is our. This is the end of our double feature within our triple feature. This is Mulholland Drive, our second David Lynch movie.
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Dude. This movie. Yeah. It's so good. It exists. I'm glad that we finally got to watch a movie where I'm like, I get it from start to finish. Everything makes sense, and I can just end this. I can watch the credits roll and just feel good about, you know, knowing what I know, which is everything in this. Well, it's so funny because like, throughout the first like half maybe more until the third act, it's almost like, okay, a lot of this is like way just like over the top and like overreacted.
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I guess it's horribly acted. But there's a reason for that that's on purpose. Horribly decides Laura Herring and Naomi Watts. Yes, the the people are not good. But in my well, it's oh my God, I'm just going to say in my circumcision.
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In any other circumcision, in my case, you tell us about your circumcision. Yeah. Well, I don't remember it. Is this talk of the with the boys hot dog talk circumcision edition? I can't remember what the actual word is that I'm trying to think of your circumstance, your experience, your estimation, estimation, whatever. Yeah. Since none of it was real, that it would make sense that the people.
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The performances were not very good. Well, so you say everybody except Naomi Watts and Laura Herring were back. Well, I still don't think. Yeah. I mean, yeah, Justin Thoreau was all right. Okay. But I thought it was funny. Or, like, moments where things are, like, deliberately over the top, like the Billy Ray Cyrus. He's, like, playing. I don't know, it's, like, bad, but deliberately, like.
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Yeah, I mean, I get it. But. Yeah. See, I thought it was funny that like, I to me, I noticed like Naomi Watts, his character was like over the topic, optimistic, like old Hollywood. Right? Until she starts, like, auditioning with Rita at the time. But then it was almost like Laura Herring was really good. Until she starts reading lines with with yes, Betty.
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And then she's like, it was. And that's when I was like, okay, this is all on purpose. Yeah. And I thought it was really well, yeah, she couldn't be a good actor because she's not an actor, quote unquote. Sure. In the can I have notes written down where. So that's obviously like it's Naomi Watts as Betty in the beginning, but I think I made a note for myself afterwards.
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And I wrote when it shows the swing dancing in the opening, I was like Dan's dream question mark. And I'm like, wait, did I write that because it is Diane stream? But I guess that just depends on what your read is, on who these people are and why they have different names. After that scene of them dancing, the first thing you see is the POV of somebody getting into bed.
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Yeah, and like kind of dropping face first into the pillow, which is, is that Diane killing herself at the end? It's just that or her dreaming this whole thing up because, well, I think there's something to be said about the idea of this movie. Obviously, David Lynch does a lot of these, like, dreamy, nightmarish movies, and he does a movie about Hollywood, which is the whole like concept is people chasing their dreams.
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And it's this, you know, it's always like very glossy on the surface, and everyone wants to, like, join this club, only to find out you hear all these like, horrific stories about this industry, you know, chewing you up and spitting you out. So, like, it's such a fun, very on the nose like entry point into this type of story to kind of showcase the delusion of this particular type of dream of did it.
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Is it more like, kind of like a commentary just on people in their own, sort of like forced self-delusion or disillusionment, I should say, of like chasing something that will inevitably destroy them. And this is just sort of like the subconscious kind of interpretation of that experience. Well, I don't know if you mean the movie in general or what the movie is trying to say, because the movie in general, to me was very clear about, you know, she had her partner or her she was in love with Camilla, had her murdered and then was upset about it.
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So she kind of took, you know, was dreaming about this thing where it didn't really happen and where she's actually Camilla's savior and she's going to help her and all this stuff. And she does say, like, right after she moves into her aunt's apartment, in the beginning, she says, I'm in a dream. Oh, I feel like I'm in a dream.
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Yeah. She's like, because she's, like, happy to be in LA. Yeah, I had this. I think I came at this movie almost too abstract, where I was like, is this movie just sort of like it's supposed to make you feel what it feels like to be on this journey of chasing your dreams in Hollywood and sort of how the whole idea is you're an actor, so you're literally playing yourself, and they even kind of comment on that at some point later where they were like, I mean, they do it quite a bit like the idea of doppelgangers and someone is playing this person and then they're not themselves anymore, and someone recognizes them in a
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different scenario where we place someone else before. So it's this idea of just like loss of self, and that happens by joining an industry like Hollywood. And I think Hollywood can kind of be a stand in for any sort of industry, I guess, or anything that someone kind of has to, in a way, sell their soul to join, lose themselves.
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Yeah. So we're kind of seeing like this person's in the car at this point, but then we kind of like and also there's like a cyclical nature to it. So it's like we're revisiting places we've been with someone else. So we're kind of seeing it's like when one person dies, they may be playing a different version of someone, but it doesn't matter because they're all kind of playing the same part.
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You know, like, I know we're kind of getting ahead of ourselves, but like in my mind, like Mr. Roach sort of just represents the head of like anyone who sits in a position of power, like the elite who controls everything, you know, without considering the, well, well-being of the people that they use to make sure their industry is sustained.
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And it doesn't matter. It's like you're just sheep. You're just kind of like flocked in. It doesn't really matter. We decide who finds success, we decide who loses that success, and so on and so forth. And we're kind of just feeling like the the push and pull of like how chaotic this is. No, I think that I so I didn't really care about this movie, good or bad, which is probably worse than disliking it because I don't have any feelings about it.
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So I think that it's a little this is me crying, well, sorry, David Lynch, but I think it's a little pretentious, almost like expecting people to feel that way about all of this when it's just fucking all jumbled together and like, you know what I mean? I don't know, I think that it's just too it's too much if you're getting all of that from this, that's it is insane, I think, to assume that.
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What? No, I don't know. You're not saying you're not insane. I'm not done with my thoughts, okay? It's insane to assume that the average viewer of this film could have any fucking idea what you're trying to say with this. I think that's absurd. I don't think that's realistic at all. And maybe he doesn't want people to to know or.
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But if you want people to feel something from it, you have to be able to do it in a way that we can understand. Yeah. Because I didn't get any of that from this. I think that big part of it for me was this is our mind fucks triple feature. So I had never seen this movie before, but I knew that since it was a mindfuck, quote unquote, something was going to be off.
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Right. So I can't say that I knew what was happening, but my your first thought is, what's the biggest mindfuck that this could be? Oh, that none of it's real. So I was already thinking that, like watching this movie. So like, I guess time and, you know, having this kind of expectation was already there for me, which may have ruined part of it for me.
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But yeah, I just don't. It's interesting because Eraserhead is so much is also like super, super abstract, but it's still very obvious as to what it's saying. I think you can connect threads together. Yes, even if it is abstract. Right. But it's still easier to. The emotion is really there in that movie, you know, and in this one, for me, it just really was not well, I also have feel like I have the benefit of, even though it is a movie that I feel like I'll never truly grasp completely, and maybe it's designed to not be understood for better or worse, but I feel like I have the benefit of having seen it before.
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So when I watched it for this, a little more like analytically, I had already sort of I kind of got it. I was like, all right, I already know that this movie is going to trip me up again. So I was maybe more hyper focused on not necessarily did watch it twice, but flagging. Oh you did, yes I did.
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Oh okay okay. Did you have dang I really what was your experience on the second time? Did it feel different or were you just disappointed? So I knew that the rewatch ability would be good just because I know, obviously, knowing what had actually happened, you would have all these things like her, the POV in the bed in the beginning, the dream part where she says, I feel like I'm in a dream.
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There's a part where they literally tell us her name is Camila. Like they like are they blatantly say her name is Camila Rhodes while we're trying to figure out who Rita is, and it's like, oh well, duh. They literally just fucking told us where he was. So and they do that a couple of times, like the the headshot of that, that actress.
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Yes. They say, you know, and it's like, right, it's right after Rita is like, oh, I don't know who I am. And then there's this scene where they say, right after that they show her, oh. Her name is Rhodes. And then later, you know, Camila Rhodes is is doing the, doing the audition. And Justin Thoreau looks at the guy, he says, this is the girl.
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Oh, that's the girl. That's the girl that we're trying to figure out who she is. It's Rhodes, like they literally tell you. Oh, I see, like, because the mystery is that, like, we don't know who Rita really is, right? And so, like, in the story, they're saying, this is the girl, this is the girl. They're saying, this is okay, I see what you're saying.
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Yeah. So that's it. Like, that's cool. Right? And I do like that. Right. But that's the kind of stuff that and even like the performances that weren't that I said were like over the top and not good. Like I realized obviously the second watch why that was happening, because this is all being fabricated by, you know, Diana and, you know, so I knew the rewatch ability would be good because I knew that you'd be able to pick up on more things like that, but I still wasn't getting any sort of, like, underlying thing about, like, the way that Hollywood.
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I don't know, Danny. I'm sorry. Whatever you were saying, because I just, I think it's I think what I think if I had to distill it down to like one thing, it's. And I may have mentioned this earlier, but like, just depersonalization, like loss of self. Sure. And I have a thought about this, but it's I'm going to save it for our once we like really get into it in the first monster reveal kind of that I actually just had, as you were saying, this and I was like, oh, maybe this is something important.
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So I don't know, like, well, I feel like I'm going to be doing a lot of that. Maybe we all will like a lot of push and pull and sort of like our reads on it, or it's going to be really tough, this conversation, but also I think interesting. Yeah, because we have such and Zach, I don't even think I've got like we got your full like at least general understanding or take on this because I'm really curious, even if the read is this meant nothing to me, this is so confusing.
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Or I have a very specific thing or not. No, I think I'm I'm in between both of your viewpoints. I loved the movie. I really want to watch it again to cases point when it when the ending came up, I was like, okay, so this was all like in her head. Like, you know, I think Casey, you mentioned you said like cut and dry, like, this is it's very clean.
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This is what happens. But then I'm like, that can't be. It can't be that clean. There's so much going on. But I did kind of get that feeling like, okay. Yeah, she, she dreamed this up because all the pieces fall into place. Right. But then you get like the thing at the end with the, the little, the old people that are really little and they get big and then they chase her and the thing and it's like, okay.
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I mean, I guess that could be part of the dream too. But at that point, like in her at that point, like the quote unquote dream is over and we're like in her reality. So like, what is that about? Well, I think she was just dealing with the grief of what she had done, and she was losing her grip on reality, like.
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Sure. But it's also like, you know, where do they fit into her? Her reality? Because they were in her, you know, she met them on the plane in her dream. Right? So then they're like, who are they? Or obsession from her. Because when they meet, when she's like, walking out of the airport with Irene, I thought I was like, oh, is that like her grandmother?
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Yeah. Like they're so close. And then she's like, whoa, so nice to meet you. So it's almost like there's a woman she told about her dreams. Yeah. Or like, you know, when you dream in, someone kind of plays a different role in your dream or they're not as it's not the rules aren't formed. Yeah. It's like I know this person, but they're not necessarily playing grandma here.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's how they're just tired the entire. That was another yeah. Hint to me that this was all made up by her was because everything for her went perfectly in that dream. Like even in the very beginning when she, you know, she met these wonderful people on the airplane. That's so nice. Great people don't people don't do that.
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Right. And then she turns around and a cabbies already picked up for bags. Oh my God, that's amazing. You know, like she goes to the apartment and the woman is just like, oh, you must be Betty here. No problem. You know, like, yeah, my read on this was I went so abstract where it's like I was thinking that this is the this is supposed to feel like the experience of what it is to seek fame in Hollywood.
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So it starts off literally feeling like a dream. It's so, like, bright and shiny. And then she literally becomes, well, I don't know if she becomes the same woman who's in the who's the corpse that they found in the bed. So it's like you will be that, like washed up dead corpse. They kind of say that this is your fate.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. They say that after the after the quote unquote dream ends. They say like she was she went, she got here and she was so happy and blah blah, blah. So it is like, you know, exactly what you want to happen when you're moving to Hollywood. The perfect scenario. Yeah. Like you, because you feel all the feelings like, you know, even God, we're jumping around so much.
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But like, even just like the, what's the word? I'm looking for the jealousy she feels later about Camila. It's like, that's just part of it, too, because I remember I had thought initially they kind of set it up where Adam, the director, is kind of into into Betty, and you think Betty's going to have a thing, but she ends up kind of getting all of a sudden that doesn't go anywhere.
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And she's actually the one who's fighting and she's the one who's jealous. So it doesn't even matter. It's more just like, that's how fucked up in Rocky. This, right is like, you think it's going one way and then your reality just like flips and you've lost out on this great opportunity and someone else is just going to replace you, and it doesn't matter.
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Yeah. Because, you know, you mentioned the this is more of a technical thing, but you mentioned the director. Why did Justin Thoreau get top billing in the credits when Naomi Watts, I think is like clearly the main character in the opening credits? It says it says Justin Thoreau, and then it says Naomi Watts. And I was like, interesting.
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Okay. Like I said, that's not part of the what we're talking about. Play it. Yeah. I may not have an answer necessarily. I mean, I'm sure it's like, you know, it's some contractual thing and whatever, I don't know. But, but you guys, you know what blew my mind? And you guys might have known this in your research or something.
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Yeah. You know what fucked my mind? I'm going through IMDb, and I see this movie was made in 2001. I scroll a little farther and I see Mulholland Drive, 1999. Oh, yeah. Naomi Watts, Laura Herring, all this stuff. And I said, what the fuck is this? This was originally made as a pilot for ABC. Oh, and it was supposed to be a ongoing series.
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ABC ultimately didn't pick it up. There's a whole bunch of drama behind it. Well, the network asked him. They said, we like this. We just don't know if we can commit or maybe not. The network. Some, some someone asked. They were like, we like it, but I don't know if it works as a show. Well, Studio Canal, who was part of it?
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They gave him more money to film new scenes to turn it into a feature. So he, like, wrote the whole third act like, rewrote it, added more scenes, added like a lot of the I mean, obviously it was ABC, so like all the sex stuff and whatever wasn't in there for a lot of sex because ABC, it just had too much.
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Yeah. And then he turned it into this feature and it was released. And so I just thought that was like, I was like, what the fuck? That's funny, because I watched an interview with Naomi Watts and it's it's a funny she was trying to break out in this was her breakout movie, at least for American audiences. And she said she was like, I couldn't believe it.
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I was heartbroken, I thought this was going to be my big break. It had ended up. It ended up being her big break. But it's funny that it was like this type of movie that that happened to. It's like her Betty experience. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I, I don't know, it worked out. I feel like this was so 99.
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That would have been a few years after Twin Peaks. I had also heard, and I'm not sure how it works, that it was supposed to be sort of like a loose spinoff of Twin Peaks. There was something about and like, I don't know if I've seen all of season two of Twin Peaks, but apparently it was like Audrey's character was supposed to, like, go off to Hollywood or something and kind of be like this Betty character.
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And I've heard multiple stories about, like, some are saying, Lynch had this idea with Mark Frost that they were going to do this spin off, and it was going to be about Audrey and all this stuff. And then I saw a thing that Lynch said. He's like, I don't remember that conversation. It might have. We might have talked about it like in passing, but it was never like a full on plan that we were going to do.
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So it's interesting because Twin Peaks plays with like specifically female characters playing, like being doppelgangers or playing the same character or pretending to be the same character. Yeah. Oh my God, like the Casey I was thinking of you when when Rita at the time, I guess, puts on the wig, right? Yeah. And you're always like about you're always talking about bad wigs in movies.
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And I was like, it was. So I mean, obviously in this movie, you know, it's a wig. It's not like they were trying to hide it, but, you know, and we'll get there. Like you said, Danny, we're jumping around. But since we're talking about this, she's like all upset and she's like starting to cut her hair. And Betty says, I know what you need to do.
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Let me help you. Let me help you. So then it's like, okay, ass wig. Well, no, I thought she was gonna, like, cut her hair. Right? And then put the wig on. Yeah, I know she put something. And then later she takes the wig off and her hair still, like, long, and I was like, what did you help her with?
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Just, like, put the wig on her head. Yeah. Oh, God. It was funny. But I like to think that, like, this movie has, you know, like in movies or scripts, not even a wig dress.
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When you're making a movie, there's script supervisors, and their job is to make sure that there's continuity. I feel like the job of a script supervisor and a David Lynch movie is to make sure there isn't continuity. Something does line up like, no, wait, that's too much like the last take. That's too simple. Get out of here. But the people are gonna know what's going on.
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We can't do that. Yeah. I've been like, you know, I've been ever since. We. I've always been interested in David Lynch and like, his his filmmaking and stuff, but like, it's just been like in passing, right? Sure. Since we started doing this, I've been, like, doing a deep dive into David and, like, I'm just like, I don't want to say obsessed, but yeah, I'm a little like, sex acts like freaking the fuck out, right?
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Freaking out like it's just pouring sweat. But no, he's just like, man, it's just what an incredible person. Just what an incredible human being that lived. And it's just it's wild whether you like his stuff or not. Like he was just like he was swinging for the fences. He was just an artist. Like, it sounds like cliche to say, but he was just like, he was just a just an artist.
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That's an artist who then also attracted like, such great talent to showcases. Which is funny because, you know, in this movie it's all about like Camilla's headshot and all this stuff. And he was notorious for casting off of headshots. So like he cast. That's fun. The three leads in this, Naomi Watts, Laura Herring and Justin throw just off their headshots.
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And like he saw Naomi Watts, his headshot. He said, basically, like, this is the girl, right? Call her in. She flew in and she was like late. So she, like, just went right to his place and she was all like, just probably no makeup and jeans and t shirt. And he was like, okay, you don't look like your head shot.
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That's basically come back tomorrow. All David Lynch dolled up. Tell me you've never seen a woman before, right? Right. So she you know, she said she came back the next day like in a dress and makeup and all this stuff, and they connected whatever, which seems very like pig ish. Shallow. Yeah, yeah. But then you learn about, like, this great relationship that him and Naomi Watts had, just like this connection that they seem to really trust in platonic relationship.
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I don't think there was anything, but it was very like they just really respected each other and loved each other. And it's just it's cool. Well, in a way, it's sort of like you could. I'm sure there are a lot of, like, sleazy people who would have that response, but I feel like his was coming at it from, I mean, you were like, he's an artist.
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He's just like, that's not the piece of art that I'm trying to put into this. Or like, he was, he was making this movie be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. It wasn't like like it's nothing personal. Like it is personal because it's a personal thing. But he's not saying like you're looking wrong. You're just you're not fitting. It's like if you walked into a Tim Burton set in, Johnny Depp is dressed up without his Edward Scissorhands.
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It's like, well, we need you in Scissorhands. Otherwise you don't fit into the world that I've created when you do a Scissorhands. I thought you had Scissorhands. Yeah. In the picture you had Scissorhands. It's actually Kainos House with Scissorhands. And he's like, no, no, no no no no no no. Wrong director. That's so funny. But yeah, you can really tell that he just like the way he shoots this.
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It's just like he loves loss. And it's like a love letter, sort of to Los Angeles. Right? Well, it's a love letter. Like Eraserhead was a was a hate letter. Philadelphia. Philadelphia, which I wanted to. Speaking of that, I have this right. Yeah. Oh, wow. Look at you, David Lynch holding up a dildo. I don't know what that you really did go all in.
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You bought a physical book? I bought a physical book. And I want to read something to you. Can I read it? Oh, yeah. Of course. This is from his book Catching the Big Fish. Oh. Which Zack referenced in our last episode. Yes. He says I came to Los Angeles from Philadelphia, where I had lived for five years attending art school.
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Philadelphia is known as the City of Brotherly Love, but when I was there, it was a hellhole. There wasn't a lot of love in that city. I arrived in LA at night, so it wasn't until the next morning when I stepped out of my small apartment on Sand San Vicente Boulevard, that I saw this light, and it thrilled my soul.
00;26;28;07 - 00;26;48;17
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I feel lucky to live with that light. I love Los Angeles. I know a lot of people go there and they just see a huge sprawl of sameness. But when you're there for a while, you realize that each section has its own mood. The golden age of cinema is still alive there, and the smell of jasmine at night and the beautiful weather and the light is inspiring and energizing.
00;26;48;22 - 00;27;07;08
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Even with smog. There's something about the light that's not harsh, but bright and smooth. It fills me with the feeling that all possibilities are available. I don't know why it's different from the light in other places. The light in Philadelphia, even in the summer, is not nearly as bright. It was the light that brought everybody to LA to make films in the early days.
00;27;07;08 - 00;27;28;22
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It's still a beautiful place. That was that was a lot of words. But no, I love that for this. It is exactly right, though, because he does show like he clearly does love the city. And you see that in this movie especially. But he also is like honest about it. You know, it's not all glitz and glam. Sure, he's he's willing.
00;27;28;23 - 00;27;50;28
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I mean literally like there's a scene where he's just going to check out like a dumpster and outside of this, like kind of like generic diner. And you see the CD people who also exist within this city, you see all of it. I mean, that's kind of what's so beautiful at this movie is it's all about that dichotomy of the good and the bad, the dark and the light, the dream and the nightmare.
00;27;51;02 - 00;28;05;21
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That's that was like what I, what I love about this movie so much is it just lets both of them exist almost to the point that they kind of bleed into each other, and you don't even know if you're in the dream or if you're in the nightmare in any given moment. Danny, I want to make a correction.
00;28;05;23 - 00;28;24;15
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You to you. Just a minute ago, it was winks. They were at a wink. Keys. What did he say? Wrinkles. You just. I'm just kidding. You just said diner, and I just wanted it. It was. It was called a wink. Keys. I'm just messing with you. Okay, guys, raise your hand if you call your penis your winky.
00;28;24;20 - 00;28;37;18
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That's your butthole, Danny. God. Is it? Yes. I don't pull a wiener when you call. You call your butthole winky. Why? Is it because it winks?
00;28;37;20 - 00;28;50;15
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I mean, it's your brown eyes. Wink. Come on. Oh, God, I don't like that. Sorry, Zach. We're here for the tough conversations, okay? That's true. We're here for this. That's what we do here.
00;28;50;18 - 00;29;07;08
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Winky and brown eyes. Winky. I thought winky was a penis. I mean, I guess I can be, I don't know, is that like a game? Like, is that like a gay community thing? Like Winky? Wow. Gay communities. Zach.
00;29;07;11 - 00;29;32;21
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I said it. I'd said it was just a gay thing. Yo, bro, can I see your winky? And you're like, which one does he see? Which gay is he? Well, you'd have to discern if he's a top or bottom, right? Oh, yeah. That's true. Yeah. That's how you figure out which winky he's interested in. That's so funny.
00;29;32;23 - 00;29;59;27
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That's the gay community distilled into one word. Winky. Well, no. Winky. You guys ready to go? Since we now know that the gay community calls a penis a winky, do you know that they call, you know, growers and showers? They call growers slinky growers and shows. Explain. So some men, when they're flaccid, their penis is large, pretty large.
00;29;59;27 - 00;30;25;26
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It's substantial. It's like you want to show it off at the locker room. That's a show growers. And they've got just a typical penis. Just nothing to write home about. But its does its job. And showers. Sometimes when they get erect it could be like the same size. Growers on the other hand like you see, you see the real potential of a penis.
00;30;25;28 - 00;30;49;03
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Yeah. It's like like a slinky, a winky slinky. Gotcha. When it's flaccid, they're just like, okay. But when they grow those, it's is low key. Like bragging that he's a chauffeur because he's like, I don't understand. Like, what the fuck's the difference? It could grow this shit. This beast is just fucking showing up all day. All night. That's not what I was doing.
00;30;49;04 - 00;31;12;19
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I was I was confirming I was confirming that you got a hug the way you the way you described it. You said shows are big and just, like, walk around when it's flaccid. Then you said growers are just like normal. But then you didn't say they're normal until they get an erection. And then there, then you move on.
00;31;12;19 - 00;31;31;28
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And so then I was like, well, okay, well why do they grow like. And then I had to like my brain was like, okay. Then you came back to it. I was already trying to think, how do this work? How do people work? How do we winky I do winky work. How winky go slinky.
00;31;32;00 - 00;31;54;10
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God, David Lynch is smiling on us right now. He's like, this is my favorite episode of between talking about one of my movies, between Eraserhead last episode and this one. Like, he's he's actually from beyond the grave, taking his name off of those movies because of how much we've desecrated them. I'm sure he's not happy with me right now.
00;31;54;13 - 00;32;23;14
How I Met Your Monster
Okay. Wow. Okay. This episode is wild already. Yeah. I mean, we're ready to wrap it up. I can't believe it. Oh, no. We haven't started yet.
00;32;23;16 - 00;32;40;01
How I Met Your Monster
Okay, so here we are in Hollywood. We're here. We're getting off the plane. Maybe we're meeting some old folk. Oh, I need sunglasses. It's so bright. Yeah, I have transition lenses because I'm a nerd.
00;32;40;04 - 00;32;59;14
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Actually. Is because I'm really cool and I drive a convertible. And so it's like. Exactly. Yeah, I get that. I'm serious. Here. Fly away. I have them. You have. You have a little car. It's a convertible. Yeah, I have a little car. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a convertible. It's so little. There's there's hard to drive. It's hard. Yeah, it's hard to drive when the sun is in your eyes.
00;32;59;14 - 00;33;11;05
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So I got transition lenses so that I have to worry about that. Yeah. That's smart. That's cool. Do you, like, put the top down and drive around? Yeah. Really? Yes.
00;33;11;07 - 00;33;35;22
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Well, it's nice out. Yeah. It's got to be at least like 64 degrees with the sun out. Do you just, like, press a button or do you have to like manually pull down the roof button. So mine is. Yeah. So and with the design of my car because I do I drive a Fiat and it's very small. It opens, I can open it like as far as I want or as little as I want.
00;33;35;23 - 00;34;02;29
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Oh okay. So you could open it just like a couple inches just to get some air in or or all the air. So here we are in Hollywood for and and drive. We have six monster reveals. They all may be monsters. None of them may be monsters. I don't know, but we've got six of them. If you're new to the show, a monster reveal is any time that a monster in the movie is revealed to a character, or to us as an audience.
00;34;03;01 - 00;34;30;28
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Danny, this was your pick for mind fucks. Can you read the synopsis from IMDb? Sure. After a car wreck on Mulholland Drive renders a woman and that's the name of the movie. Wait, that's the name of the movie? That's the name of the movie. I didn't mean to interrupt you. I'm sorry. No I didn't. I'm having trouble. I've never read the word amnesiac in this context.
00;34;31;01 - 00;35;00;13
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So you're a car wreck on Mulholland Drive. Renders a woman amnesiac, so it renders her amnesiac interesting. She's not like losing my mind. Oh, it renders her. I want to say, like amnesiac. Maybe that's how you pronounce it. Oh, maybe after a car wreck on Mulholland Drive renders a woman amnesiac, she and a Hollywood hopeful search for clues and answers across Los Angeles.
00;35;00;13 - 00;35;26;01
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And a twisting venture beyond dreams and reality. Yeah, yeah. I love when she's like, yeah, like, let's go do this. Like, let's go find out. She's like, it'll be just like in the movies. And it's like there was a little bit of that, like overacting stuff from her, which, you know, we talked about was intentional, but it was like just everything in this movie is like a nod to of how we romanticize old Hollywood.
00;35;26;05 - 00;35;51;10
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Yeah. You know, like down to those moments where they're like, quote unquote overacting. But even there was a part in the movie where I was like, why does Naomi Watts character look so familiar? And immediately, because you saw her and I Heart Huckabees. So, yeah, I watched her and I read the day before. What's funny that you say that about I Huckabees is because I was talking about depth, and there's a really famous scene, well, famous scene.
00;35;51;10 - 00;36;11;18
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There's a scene that I really like in I Huckabees. Famous, famous scene, because it's all about like, existentialism. And Jude Law is character. He says something or someone says it to him and they're like, you have to be like, act like yourself. And he's like, how am I not myself? And then he goes on this like for like a minute.
00;36;11;18 - 00;36;26;07
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He just keeps saying it out loud. He's like, how am I not? It's kind of like how when you say a name over and over, it starts to sound insane. And he's like, how am I not myself? How am I not myself? Because the idea is like, you are yourself. So like, what does that even mean? Yeah. So I don't know.
00;36;26;07 - 00;36;37;24
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That's funny because she's in that she's, she also has like a she is the famous line where she says fuck appease. They freak out because they're like.
00;36;37;26 - 00;36;59;15
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Yeah, I know people like that. I love it. It's not a great movie. It's just so weird. It's good. It's got a big cast and it's it's funny. No, but this idea of, like, old Hollywood romance, it's also a very film noir. Yeah, but even that makes sense. Naomi Watts is character. I was that's what I was saying, okay?
00;36;59;16 - 00;37;23;15
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She reminded me of something, an actor, and I was like, oh, I got it. She reminds me of Tippi Hedren in The Birds. Like, even her outfit, she's running like this. Gray. Yes. Like piece. Her hair was this big blond. Obviously, Hitchcock is famous for, like, loving his blond starlets. Yeah. And I so I googled it. I just wrote Mulholland Drive to be head in Watts, and apparently that was a thing where she.
00;37;23;19 - 00;37;50;28
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I don't know if it was her necessarily her choice or David Lynch's choice, but it was specifically like taking inspiration from the Tippi Hedren of that day and like, yeah. So it's like she is playing this Hollywood actress. It's like the same outfit, like you said, when they're when they're like investigating the house with the corpse in it and even little things like the movie being called Mulholland Drive.
00;37;50;29 - 00;38;19;17
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One of the most famous movies about the Hollywood industry is Sunset Boulevard. And then the character Coco almost feels like, at least at the beginning, reminded me of like, a Norma Desmond, where it's like, well, she is this Hollywood like elite, but it's like no one really knows who she is, but she acts like she's the star. Yeah, well, that was an miller who was like a really famous, like back in, back in the heyday of Hollywood.
00;38;19;17 - 00;38;40;05
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She was like a big, big star. And this was her last. Her last role. Oh, she died like. I think she died, like, maybe two years after this, I think. Wow, I loved her. She was my favorite. She was really good. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, she gives off that, like, I mean, obviously because she is one of those old stars, but like, she gives off.
00;38;40;07 - 00;38;56;04
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Yeah. She does that presence to just like. But she was a really good character. I kind of thought like something was going to be was like going to turn with her, but well, it kind of does. But it doesn't do it in a way that is like logical, like she shows up again kind of as a different character.
00;38;56;10 - 00;39;16;22
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Yeah. In the quote unquote reality at the end. Yeah. But it's not in the way that like, you know, you would think like, where's her character building to that seems like the most clear just from what the setup was. But I'm sorry I, I'm pulling us all around and oh my God. Did you finish the synopsis? Yes. Have I started this and this?
00;39;16;25 - 00;39;48;18
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Yeah. Did this version of amnesia is still reading? I mean, I'm a romantic amnesiac. What does what does Amazon Prime say about this synopsis, specifically Amazon Prime? Well yeah. You know Amazon's we've we've compared him a couple times. Yeah. In aspiring actress Seeking Fate. Wait. Literally just disappeared. An aspiring actress seeking fame in the city of Angels comes upon a strange woman battling amnesia after car crash.
00;39;48;19 - 00;40;26;12
How I Met Your Monster
Together, they set out to uncover the mysterious stranger's identity in a reality to find journey from avant garde director David Lynch. Okay, little wordy, I feel like the other one. I'm going to go to letterbox now, just for the hell of it. Blond, blond Betty Elms has only just arrived in Hollywood to become a movie star when she meets an enigmatic brunet within the meanwhile, as the two set off to solve the second woman's identity, filmmaker Adam Cheshire turns runs into ominous troubles while casting his latest project, no, no letter box.
00;40;26;12 - 00;41;00;26
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You do not know. Letterbox. That ain't it, bro. That ain't it, bro. Bro. Bro bro. Bro bro bro bro bro. Right, right. Right. Right. Okay. Yeah. All right. Okay, well, well, let's get into this. Number one, our first reveal is the person in the back alley behind Winky. Winky Percy's bum bum bum bum. What's the what's the homeless person on housing?
00;41;01;00 - 00;41;31;22
How I Met Your Monster
I think as as Danny. As the bump. It's 2026 now. Yeah, I'm still what I call. I call everyone the bump. I do too. I'm just kidding. Hobos. Bums. Yeah. So I would like Winky Danny for you to tell me. Oh, what the fuck is this? Okay, so I had a thought about this as we were talking, and I made a note in real time, so this might not make any sense, but love it.
00;41;31;25 - 00;41;51;10
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Oh, it's so annoying to, like, try to, like, explain and, like, breakdown. So I'm going to just. Okay, then don't just be abstract. It's annoying. Whatever. No, I'm talking to myself because I'm struggling with, like, how I'm, like, tying thoughts together. Really? Read. It's okay. Relax. Does it have anything to do with this man talking about a dream?
00;41;51;13 - 00;42;14;12
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Okay. Yes. So, okay, what's interesting about this scene is it has a obviously has like this great reputation. A lot of people consider it like one of the most intense, scary scenes in a movie because it's just full of. Seriously, I. Oh, really? God, I remember the first time I saw this, it just like it felt like having a nightmare where you're like, oh, I don't want to see that thing in my dream idiom.
00;42;14;12 - 00;42;39;14
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No control. Like, why am I walking toward it? I don't want to see it. And then it shows up and well, the one thing that I love and I'm not going to try not to try to derail you, but like, I love that. As we were going towards the back alley, you could see on his face that he was recognizing all these things from his dream, like knowing that it was coming, but he didn't say like, oh, this was in my dream, or oh, and this is this.
00;42;39;14 - 00;43;00;11
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I've seen this before. Like you just saw it in his, like eyes and his facial expressions, and he was like, oh, this dude is terrified. I understand, but I to the viewer, I do not think that this is scary at all. Okay, well, I have a question because I have some things to unpack here. Do we? Are we ever told who these characters are?
00;43;00;12 - 00;43;27;10
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Dan and Herb? No. Okay. Because we see them later when it's either Betty or Diane is in the diner and she looks up and she sees Dan at the counter looking at her in the same way that he says he sees the guy. He's like, every time I have this dream, you're standing at the counter staring at me, right?
00;43;27;12 - 00;43;45;08
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I have no where to go with that. Just perfect. But my my thing is, is right. You're right. Yeah. David Lynch had said that this is based on a real dream that he had, and he wanted to put it in with, like, this, like evoking the same kind of spirit energy and like, fear that he felt when he had the dream.
00;43;45;11 - 00;44;07;01
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So then it made me wonder, because we were talking earlier about this movie being the sort of, you know, nightmare vision or of like, what the experience is to succeed or at least try to succeed in Hollywood. So I was like, okay, if this is about a dream that he had, what if this and this is all about the film industry?
00;44;07;03 - 00;44;38;24
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What if this character Dan, is someone within Hollywood, like a David Lynch? Like, what if he is a director or a writer or someone who is quote unquote complicit in this nightmarish journey of stardom? And then I wondered if it was supposed to be about like, kind of more about, like, self-reflection, you know, like, if I'm going to tell this story, I need to kind of acknowledge the fact that I, too am complicit in this nightmare world.
00;44;38;24 - 00;45;03;03
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That could be good, but is bad. Yeah. So it's sort of like this is about him, his experience in the story. So he's kind of written himself into it to make sure that there is like, he is aware of the fact that he's part of the machine. So if we're going to enter this story, we're going to enter it through my perspective, through my nightmare.
00;45;03;04 - 00;45;27;27
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This is how I feel about it. It's the good and the bad. You know, we even talked about you said his love letter to LA, but we still see the CDs. He's like acknowledging that it all exists as one. And unfortunately, Hollywood can't exist without the dark side of it, the saltiness. And then that made me think of when you were talking about why did Justin Theroux get top billing.
00;45;28;01 - 00;45;52;28
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Maybe that was like an inside thing of like, of course the director gets the guy who plays, the director gets top billing. It's this like egotism and it's this, but it's part of self-reflection. It's like David Lynch is putting him at like himself at the forefront of this story to be like, I'm not just commenting on this, I or I can't comment on this industry without also commenting on the fact that I am part of it, for better or worse.
00;45;52;29 - 00;46;13;28
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So I just, I don't know, like, I'm sure there's a way to tie that in later. Like, is it supposed to be that like, I don't know, like, why does she see him later at the counter? What does it have to do with him seeing the other guy at the counter? I'm not totally sure about that, but I feel like there could be something there with like, him putting himself into the story.
00;46;14;02 - 00;46;46;16
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Does that make sense? Like maybe not sense, but does that like, I don't know, like that was my like if it had to be something because it feels so disconnected from the story. I understand what you're saying. I'm the making sense part. I'm trying to like, I'm more so trying to connect it to, like, her dream. And then because, you know, when you brought this up, it was the first time I remembered that, like, oh, yeah, she's in the same position that he was in later looking at him at the counter.
00;46;46;16 - 00;47;19;21
How I Met Your Monster
And I'm trying to make that connection. Well, I think it might be helpful to think like, what does the bum represent? Because later we see her with the blue box. So there is this like connective thread and like is that sort of, you know, you come to LA to like chase this dream, but in the same way that becoming a famous star is a possibility, losing everything and even yourself and like having no resources is also a possibility.
00;47;19;21 - 00;47;39;09
How I Met Your Monster
And he even says, like, I came here to the cafe to make sure that the bum from his nightmare is not there because he, quote unquote, wants to get rid of this god awful feeling. And you could read it like one read is like a him being like, I know I'm part of this. I just want to go there so that I can see in the real world the bums.
00;47;39;09 - 00;48;01;24
How I Met Your Monster
Not really there. There's nothing to be afraid of. It's almost like this fear that I have, this complicit feeling that I have of being in this industry. It's just in my head. It's not real. I'm overthinking it, only to see it and go fuck, it is real like I am in this. The nightmare is the reality. Like you can convince yourself that it's all glitz and glam, but in reality, people do lose quite a bit on this journey.
00;48;01;24 - 00;48;23;29
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And if you're part of it, you're part of it, doesn't mean you're like actively being like her, trying to hurt people. But you are part of the system. Like, I'm not saying that's like clear cut, like, oh, therefore like that is the role. I do think there is still that like the dreaminess of it all, like maybe it's not all clicking together so neatly, but that's us just talking about it and me trying to figure out what that was.
00;48;24;00 - 00;48;52;08
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I was like, oh, maybe there's something there. Why did and I'm going to jump. I'm still staying here with the with the person in the back alley, but I'm jumping to the end when we see them. What was in the box? She opened the key. Why did she have the box? And when she opens it at the end, is it is it the funky looking key that's like a mysterious looking key?
00;48;52;08 - 00;49;13;26
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Or is it, like, real, like Home Depot, Blue key, Home Depot? You know what I mean? Like actual key. Well, the second they open the box, they are pulled into this other reality, right? So does opening the box. Well, when she opens the box, the reality or does it put them when the box is opened with the special key?
00;49;14;03 - 00;49;34;15
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That's when we start to see the reality of things. And like Benny or the nightmare of Camila, like, opens the box and she can't Betty, like, disappears. She like, can't find her. She's like Betty. And then she opens it. We go into the box visually, and then when we come out, we're in this world where Betty is actually Diane and all this stuff.
00;49;34;17 - 00;50;13;11
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Maybe it's just supposed to be like a really dramatic, like, representation of what we're, like, willing or able to or what we have to kind of sacrifice on the journey to this sort of success. It's like, are you willing to turn the key? Like the fact that it's blue and like, is so is maybe just to kind of like get our reaction like, this thing is important and almost has like a, almost feels like holy and like so significant in other worldly when in reality, it's like if you're willing to turn the key, if you're willing to dive into the rabbit hole, you know, these are the things it doesn't mean you're guaranteed success.
00;50;13;12 - 00;50;36;28
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Like you will have to sacrifice either part of your soul or part of yourself, or the people in your life like you are going to become. You're about to transcend, essentially. Are you willing to and I don't know, like the key thing, like maybe it's maybe the fact that it's like a different key is just sort of the, the, the romanticism.
00;50;37;00 - 00;50;52;20
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Why can't I say that word like, I get what do you think of it? Laughing at your just, like glazed over like, fuck, I have no idea what's happening. Kind of like you're like, I don't give a shit about this movie. I don't know what's going on. Like, everything feels like even the box in the shape of the key.
00;50;52;20 - 00;51;16;10
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It all feels so other in alien, especially to someone like Betty. Well, it's a dream, but I mean, like, if you just want out as, like, what is it supposed to represent? My read on. It was like, it's supposed to feel different because it's so far from, like, her reality wherever she flew in from. And then later it just ends up being this, like, kind of dirty.
00;51;16;11 - 00;51;41;00
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You said Home Depot, he doesn't really matter, but like, this has the same. Well, yeah. Because that key result, I guess if you turn it the dirty Home Depot key, I love that that's what it is. Was given to her by Joe. And it's the same means to an end though. It's, it's it's it's like representing again I'm like saying this like it's like fact.
00;51;41;00 - 00;52;03;21
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I'm not meaning I'm just. I'm more like, you're like committing to. Yeah. No, but it's like he's still like you're just being literally offered a literal key. Like, are you willing to turn this and enter into this new version of because you will change from this if you're willing to commit to it, whether it's killing someone or becoming, you know, going down the the journey of becoming a Hollywood actor.
00;52;03;23 - 00;52;22;25
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Like, are you willing to sacrifice what this turning of the key is going to symbolize for you? Yeah. No, I'm not getting into all the, you know, what does it mean? I just have a general question now. Yeah. Did he did he give her that key to make the money drop or why did he get. I don't remember why he gave her that.
00;52;22;27 - 00;52;37;29
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She knows. He said after it's done, you'll find the key. Once you give me this money. Once the money like you pay for it. Like I'm doing it. Yeah. And he said. He said once you get God, this is another reveal that we're not even at yet. This is a later. Then don't talk about it. I don't remember what the reveals were.
00;52;37;29 - 00;53;05;01
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I don't have a clue what's going on. We can talk about it. It may as well be. No, we don't have to do anything in the Winky Diner. We're going to talk about whether it's now or later. He says. Once you give me the money, it's a done deal, like it's happening. And he says, once it's done, you'll find this key where I think you just said, like where you're supposed to find it, or where, you know, when you find the key, when you see the key, you'll know it's done.
00;53;05;04 - 00;53;24;17
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Okay. So so was the key given to her literally symbolic in that moment? I guess that was it was because he didn't tell her to open anything with it, right? No, no. But later, like, okay, then it was just I say, I say later in the timeline, but we see it earlier in the movie, the key sitting on the coffee table.
00;53;24;19 - 00;53;50;24
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Right? Right. But I'm saying like, you know, because he can't texture and be like, I fuck, I killed her. Yeah. So the key is just symbolic at that. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha, man. So Winky, the bomb behind Winky is Mickey's bum represents the dirty underbelly. Oh, yeah. Maybe. Or. Casey, don't or not, it don't don't mock this.
00;53;50;24 - 00;54;15;02
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Don't, don't. I'm not mocking it. Okay? Quit mocking the winky. I love the winky. The what is winky now? I love all who gives a shit. I don't care. Buttholes, wieners. I love buttholes and wieners. Whoever winky you're handing me, I'm gonna. That's right. Enjoy it. I'll do something with it. I'll do something with it. Just give me a blue key.
00;54;15;02 - 00;54;18;05
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I'll do something.
00;54;18;07 - 00;54;36;05
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So, like I'm at a winky. Winky is supposed to be like Denny's. Is that like, the is like winky? There's just a lot of, like, there's a real place. I'm gonna look it up. Or is it like. Because it was very reminiscent of, like, a Denny's sign, and I wondered if it was supposed to famously. I don't know if it's the same, I'm assuming.
00;54;36;05 - 00;54;54;25
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And now that I think about it, it's the same diner. But when he passed away, they left a whole memorial like flowers outside of a diner that he frequented. Yeah, yeah. It's not. It's not real. Okay. But is there something to be said now, again, this is something where maybe I could have done a little bit of deeper diving on.
00;54;54;25 - 00;55;27;18
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I don't think you need to. I don't think you needed to do that. We've got planning. Okay, well, it's up to you guys that if you don't have it figured out, it's. I'm not I'm not where David Lynch feels complicit in this. I'm just removing. I'm exalting myself. The color blue. You know, Lynch has that movie. Lynch likes to play with this idea of, here's everything that is presented on the surface, like in Blue Velvet suburbia, and like the splendors and simplicity of suburbia, only to realize, like, actually at the heart of it, there's, you know, like anywhere else.
00;55;27;18 - 00;55;51;00
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It's Philadelphia in the 1960s or 70 or where he lived. Yeah. There's like a and obviously the color, darker things happening. Yeah, yeah. It's like literally blue velvet and it's like it just so happens to be the same color of the key is that that shade of blue. And I just want I don't know if you guys know if there's like a connection with Lynch with this color specifically or what it can symbolize.
00;55;51;01 - 00;56;20;05
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I don't know. But we also see later when they're in the theater, there's that woman in the balcony and she's got that same color, blue hair. Oh yeah, she does. And I saw a thing about okay, that was his script supervisor, I believe. It's funny you mentioned script supervisors earlier. I think it was her that, like, he called her into the room and he just looked at her for a while, and then he didn't say anything.
00;56;20;05 - 00;56;40;14
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And then he called to wardrobe and he said, like, how long does it take to make someone's hair blue? How long does it take to get a Victorian dress? And the lady wardrobe lady was like, well, I need to know who the dress is for. And the casting director is standing right, or the script supervisor is standing right there and he's like, it's for so-and-so.
00;56;40;14 - 00;57;10;00
How I Met Your Monster
But I haven't told her yet. She's like, that's funny. Oh, but she said, like, David, I'm not an actor. And he said, it doesn't matter. It's modular. And so you can sit. And so I'm like, okay, it's modular. So then it's like, that's just like a building block to this world, right? There's an accessory to this. And so the, you know, just like the blue hair, the blue key what does if it's what is I think she represents the box in that moment.
00;57;10;01 - 00;57;57;11
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Probably because that's when they're at the theater right before the box gets opened. And they're literally telling you in the theater that nothing is real. Right? Like there's there is no band. It's like, right. So she probably, like, literally represents the box. Okay, I think I like that. Oh yeah. We need to get to that scene to. That's the thing of like this idea of everyone, sort of like the journey toward stardom is kind of represented by all these different types of people, but is also conflated into this one experience, this like surreal experience where, like the woman on stage singing a song about crying, but she's on stage, so she's kind of made it,
00;57;57;11 - 00;58;20;25
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but she also, like, falls asleep and she's still singing. Yeah. Oh. Which means it was he's they were like, it's all on everything. It's all recorded. Yeah. Everything's prerecorded. Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah. So is that like pre. Is that like your, your your your destiny. Like it's all. Yeah. You're just like an entity. You're not. It's not about you.
00;58;20;25 - 00;58;40;13
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It's about what you put in. Like it's it's your art. Like you're not import and it's the things going to keep going. Yeah. Whether you're here or not, it's the Norma Desmond thing. It's like I didn't. It's the pictures that got old. Like, yeah, it's the ghost. Is this a ghost story? I'm just like the ghost of Hollywood.
00;58;40;13 - 00;59;07;26
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And yeah, I'm just going to say yes. All right. So let's I do want to mention before we leave winks, did we even go to winks since we're waiting for our food at winks? By the way, did you notice they have food on their plate? I think it's Dan who doesn't eat it. And then right when they get up, there's no there's nothing on their plate that just again, just dream logic.
00;59;07;26 - 00;59;36;24
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But Bonnie Aarons plays the bum who. And she also plays famously the nun in as she with the phallic in that's who in the nun movies. Yeah. Oh, I guess the nose, right? She has a very distinct physical features. That's cool. Yeah, she's a whole Horicon. Yeah. Did you just call her? She's color a whore. Yeah. So,
00;59;36;27 - 01;00;07;11
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All right, let's move to our second reveal. This is very Lynchian. This is Mr. Rock in the in that very weird room. Yeah. This is very. Yeah, very Twin Peaks. Very. Well, that's the guy in Twin Peaks. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. No. I'm just. No, I like, I wasn't like, I'm trying my hardest. No, I just meant like, oh, a cool detail.
01;00;07;11 - 01;00;11;28
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That is the guy into me.
01;00;12;00 - 01;00;39;28
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Okay. We obviously don't have to go into the details because we already have. But just for a little context, Betty's arrived. We've seen she's met Rita in the shower. And then we also meet Adam, the director who's being told to recast his lead actress. So there's like, the the powers that be in Hollywood are pulling the strings. And when we meet Mr. Roque, he's, as far as we're concerned or led to believe is he's kind of at the top of the chain.
01;00;40;04 - 01;01;02;27
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Yeah. He's like the pulling the strings. He's the mastermind. He's. And there's someone who plays his like, there's someone like sort of famous that plays that dude standing in the background who doesn't move or speak. Oh, I didn't even notice. Who is he? It's Harrison Ford.
01;01;03;00 - 01;01;23;04
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Talk about what you're going to talk about, and I will. Oh, I have nothing. Because that's the thing is, like, we we joked about, like, what we were going to flag as monster reveals in this movie. And although it is, you know, kind of implied that Mr. Rock is the head honcho, we only meet him a couple of times.
01;01;23;04 - 01;02;03;02
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We never get any real, explanation of his intention or his what is motivating him or why he wants a certain actress. But I think that kind of plays back into the whole, like Hollywood in this of it all, you know, like it's who knows? There's this weird, kind of seemingly pointless, I don't know, like Hollywood is just like a janky, dirty place for some reason, because we let these people, some people, not everyone kind of in this position of power to abuse people's mental health and well-being for because they just want to put on a show at the expense of them.
01;02;03;05 - 01;02;33;10
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Yeah. And he's just kind of the strings. I need to make a correction. The man behind him is not anybody famous. I guess his name, the actor's name, kind of. His name is Joseph Kearney. Kearney? Yeah. Da. You don't know who Joseph Kearney is? Yeah. Okay. Wait a second. Are you guys being for real? Is this somebody that most of Kearney know?
01;02;33;12 - 01;03;00;13
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The only other thing he was in, he played himself in a Playboy movie called Girls Next Door Naughty Knights. Yeah. Duh. Joseph Kearney from Girls Next door. Naughty or nice? Wait, he was in the original. It's like my favorite was in the sequel. Is it a. It's a winkie I lost, I don't. The name just sounds famous to me.
01;03;00;16 - 01;03;25;14
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Well, there's Joe from Stranger Things. What's his name? Is that why it sounds. I think his name is Joe. Joe Keery. Joe. Okay, that's what it is. Is Joseph Kearney, the Joe Keery of David Lynch movies in the Playboy. What's the movie called? I gotta look that up. Playboy. It's called Playboy. Girls Next Door, Naughty and Nice from 1997.
01;03;25;16 - 01;03;50;17
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Let's see. Playing with my winks. How many winking can we see? Sweet girls next door show off their naughty side in this collection of sexy sketches from Playboy video, including skinny dipping, candid photography and a rendezvous at a mechanics garage. Oh, I love those, so it's great the guy behind Mr. Rock is like a porn star. Okay, cool.
01;03;50;18 - 01;04;11;29
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Interesting. Well, wannabe. If he was only in one, can we really call him a porn, sir? Exactly. That's true. Oh, I just looked at this is. So this is kind of random, but also not. But, throw it in this episode, in the scene, in a throw it in the pot. Before we meet Mr. Roque for this reveal, we have the scene with the Dan hideous scene.
01;04;12;00 - 01;04;36;19
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The Castiglioni are deciding or telling Adam that he's got to recast the lead. Yeah. There is. This is so stupid. But, Adam, Justin throws character. He sounds almost exactly like Riff Raff and Rocky Horror when they give him the photo. And he's like, what's the photo of? What? Do you remember that? It's so weird. What's the photo?
01;04;36;20 - 01;05;02;25
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That's it. It's just so weird. The other brother, the one who drinks the espresso, who, like, spits it out and he like that was very interesting. That is Angelo Badalamenti. That's the he's the composer of, like, the famous Twin Peaks score fever. And that's. No. I know he's more famous for David Lynch movies. That's right. He did do Cabin Fever, didn't he?
01;05;02;27 - 01;05;27;06
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But he did the Twin Peaks score and he did this. And that's him. That's a little, little cameo, I guess he drinks espresso. Weird. He spits it out. Yeah, yeah, he spits it out into a napkin. Yeah. Instead of back into the the. I feel like that's David Lynch. Like, rolling his eyes at like, meetings he's probably been in where someone probably complained like, oh, this is a shitty espresso.
01;05;27;06 - 01;05;51;21
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And he's like, what an what? Drink the espresso. Guys, please move on. When you make somebody spit a drink into a napkin, it makes them look like a big fucking idiot. Yeah, totally. It's so disgusting. And. Yeah, and he's just keep going. And I love how the guys like this is the best. We we. It's like, what does that even mean?
01;05;51;22 - 01;06;09;17
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Like, it's just so funny because, yeah, I don't know. There's so many moving parts to like, pulling a good espresso shot that like someone just saying, oh, this is the best kind. It's just it's so surface level of like, the hell are you talking about? Like, you either poured a good shot or you did it. It's not that.
01;06;09;19 - 01;06;35;15
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It's not that different. What a jerk. Yeah. Gross. You gross jerk. Gross jerk. Okay, so we've established this is like the main quote unquote main baddie, I guess, in the movie, because he's the head, the height of Hollywood. Yeah. The main baddie that you see for 45 seconds, in this case, Disney says we're going to shut it all down.
01;06;35;18 - 01;06;53;26
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Yep. They're going to shut down the whole production of Adam's. But he's also like, very vague. I'm sure that means to shutting it down. Yeah. Oh, like like pop a cap.
01;06;53;28 - 01;07;01;27
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Yep. Exactly that.
01;07;02;00 - 01;07;24;11
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No, I just mean, I'm sure that if we want to get into it, that we got to shut the whole thing down is probably some sort of metaphor for something else wholly in this film or within Hollywood or whatever. Well, the whole thing about shutting it down, they were going to shut down the whole production. They were going to fire everybody because they wouldn't pick.
01;07;24;13 - 01;07;48;16
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He refused to pick Camila Rhodes for his lead. So what was that about? Why is she so like, why is Camila Road? Because ultimately is Rita who wanted to have her killed in the opening? Yeah, because they're telling us that she is the girl. I mean, I think that's what it is. Yeah. And we're to assume this whole story is about her.
01;07;48;19 - 01;08;13;08
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Oh, Danny, you said who wanted to have her killed, wasn't it Diane? Yes. Oh, so we're just circling back in, and I think so. Yeah, I think so. Oh my God. Because in the beginning, that scene was a scene where Diane was going to a party. In reality, the real part of that was Diane was in that car with those people going to that party where Camilla going to Adam's party.
01;08;13;09 - 01;08;34;16
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They stop and she comes out of the woods and she's like, come with me. It's a surprise. He takes her through the woods. So that's the quote unquote reality of that. Where that came from in Diane's head. Yeah, in the dream, it's. Oh, it's.
01;08;34;18 - 01;08;54;20
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Well, why didn't you just say that? You guys like Casey, I was with you at the beginning of this being like, okay, it is kind of cut and dry. There's I know there's more some more mystery to it, but it is kind of. And now, like, I'm more confused than watching fucking Eraserhead. Well, I haven't changed my mind, but.
01;08;54;22 - 01;09;13;01
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So here's the thing. I know that there's more to it in terms of representations and stuff like that, but I still think the story sure is very obvious to me. You know, I see, I think I still am. I think that's a 1000. Not that you need me to tell you it's valid, but I think that's a valid read on it.
01;09;13;01 - 01;09;35;16
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But I can't help but like I think my read on it is a little less narrative because honestly, I don't want to feel any differently about it. Yeah, but I think that's what's great about this. And I think this is something we've been kind of like driving home a lot, just talking about, like a lot of talking about David Lynch is trying to understand why he's doing what he's doing.
01;09;35;22 - 01;10;02;02
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And I think that the beauty of it is, is like, it's it's all right. It's all wrong. It's it's if you felt that way, then probably. But if you think this probably that too. And yeah, makes for a confusing conversation though, that's for sure. It does. I just feel like there's just something they just keep talking about. Like there's there's a few quotes I wrote down, she says.
01;10;02;03 - 01;10;31;20
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Like, just like in the movies, we'll pretend to be someone else. And then later she says when she calls the house, she's like, it's strange to be calling yourself. And she's like, maybe it's not me. There's this whole idea of identity, which is very fitting when you're talking about Hollywood culture, because it is about being someone else. Not only are you playing the part, and if you get a role, you have to you have to put out a version of yourself that you think people will deem, oh yeah, you can't make them in being.
01;10;31;24 - 01;10;59;27
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Yeah. So there's such like that's where I tend to get pulled more into like the abstract, like the story's there and the story is serving a purpose, but I think it's supporting the theme rather than the theme, kind of like supporting the story. Well, it's interesting, I heard Naomi Watts talk about, you know, she had been at this for like ten years, and she was just about to call it quits, and this movie happened.
01;10;59;27 - 01;11;20;14
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But in an interview, she was talking about, like, as she was going through her Hollywood, you know, trying to get roles and everything, like she lost herself because she didn't like. No. Just like what you said. Who she was supposed to be. Like, when I go into this audition, do they want me like me as Naomi Watts? Like, do they want me to be sexy?
01;11;20;14 - 01;11;39;03
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Or am I supposed to be, like, down to earth? Am I supposed to be funny? Before you even get into the role that you're going to play? Like you said, Danny, you have to. You yourself are playing a role for whoever you're meeting with at that time. And she said like she that was so, like, draining and exhausting and like, she didn't even know who she was anymore.
01;11;39;03 - 01;12;07;23
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And she was ready to, to go back to Australia I think is, yeah, Australia. And she's like buddies with Nicole Kidman and she's like, oh my. My friend Nicole was like keeping me afloat. Like like supporting me emotionally, landing all the rules. Yeah. Like fuck you Nicole Wobble oh yeah. Yeah. But all right. Okay. Well let's go to our third reveal.
01;12;07;25 - 01;12;34;11
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Joe shooting everyone in the office building. So was it just my TV, or did this man have heterochromia in this scene? What is that? His eyes were two different colors. Oh, I didn't notice. I don't know, I think that they were okay, but not at later. They weren't later. Oh. So I think just for this. That's interesting. Which lends to the.
01;12;34;13 - 01;12;48;02
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Well, yeah, it lends to the not real. This is another part two. Was there brown? Brown and blue. Yes. One was blue. Blue brown. Oh. Winking.
01;12;48;05 - 01;13;15;09
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Oh dude I was was so hard during this. Like it was like that's great. It's like I don't know. But this is another part of like the, the dream thing for me, like, because, you know, I was saying earlier, everything works out perfectly for her where, you know, everything just falls into place. And then with this guy, it's like he does all this dumb shit and then nothing is ever culminates from it or is said about it, and he never gets caught for it.
01;13;15;14 - 01;13;36;27
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You know what I mean? Like, so, you know, like it just lends to the the unrealistic dream. It's a dream is can turn into like the worst case scenario, but there really aren't consequences. Right. Exactly. Like, of course I fucking shot and then I shot someone else. It just keeps getting worse. I'm curious because. So we're talking about, you know, he does all this stuff and nothing happens.
01;13;36;27 - 01;14;03;20
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We also mentioned earlier I don't know if it was off mic or if it was early in this episode we were recording. We talk about Robert Forster being only in it for one scene at the car crash. This big actor, right. And I wonder, this was supposed to be a pilot, like we said, an hour long Lynch turned in a two hour cut and they were like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
01;14;03;22 - 01;14;30;13
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So he managed to get it down to 88 minutes. Right. And they still were like, no, we're not doing this. So then he filmed more scenes. I wonder how much of these story bits were included, like how much more of Robert Forster was there in the scenes? Like maybe we find out if, you know, something happened to Joe or whatever, and it's just, oh yeah, it would be cool to see all that extra stuff to see, like, yeah, like episode two.
01;14;30;14 - 01;14;51;13
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Maybe it was just going to be about him, like solving this crime. And you know, it's funny with the Robert Forster thing is I think he has one line in the movie and it's so funny. It was, well, what's funny is it's like I kind of I was sort of settling in as the movie was starting, and I missed what he said, and I was like, oh, it's just we'll see more of him later.
01;14;51;14 - 01;15;09;17
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Like, don't have, you know, what is he saying? Well, it's funny, I don't know if it's yeah, it's him because he's he's standing there looking and he's like his partner or something was to be like he hands him a evidence bag, which I think is like the pearl necklace. And he goes, he says, we found this an earring, okay.
01;15;09;18 - 01;15;31;20
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He says, we found this in the car or something. And Robert Forster goes, I know you showed me already. Yeah, you told me already. Like, we know what we've had and that's it. It's just it's so funny. Well, I wonder what that is that that's sort of like it's all irrelevant, you know, like the proof, the signs, the all the evidence.
01;15;31;20 - 01;15;52;17
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We think we need to put this story together is irrelevant. Like, even the detective is like, it doesn't. Yeah. I've seen this already. Like, it's not going to add up to anything, so just don't even bother. Yeah, I do see in an image search that there is at least at least one more scene from Holland Drive with Robert Forster sitting in a.
01;15;52;23 - 01;16;09;17
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He's like sitting at a table in a presumably his desk talking about something. But you know what? My favorite part about this reveal is that what that we're talking about a scene from the beginning of the movie.
01;16;09;20 - 01;16;33;27
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Okay, you're right. I do love scene. There is a kind of Joel and Ethan Coen comedy of errors here, which I really like. Yeah, well, do you think that the purpose of this is just to show us that there's a hitman in this movie? Well, yes. But also he's there specifically for someone's black book. Do we are we told whose black book?
01;16;33;28 - 01;16;53;00
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That's right. They say the name, but we never like they never talk to clock things in this movie because there's so much information. And they say, is that the book and the guys like, yeah. And then this is so-and-so's book and then yeah, he shoots him and then. Oh my God, to make it look like a suicide cleaning the gun.
01;16;53;00 - 01;17;01;07
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And he accidentally pulls the trigger. And that lady is like something really big bit me.
01;17;01;09 - 01;17;09;04
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Oh, God. And then you get the guy, the the janitor who comes down, and. Poor guy.
01;17;09;07 - 01;17;42;29
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But then even, like, it doesn't stop there. Then he goes to shoot the thing and the the vacuum. Yeah, that is that spikes and it shuts off the fire alarm. Oh my god. Okay. So Ed's character or I'm sorry Joe. So he's looking for the black book. He's obviously going to kill for it the next time we see him is with Diane, because there's the other scene plays with it's a girl that looks very similar, but it looks like who Diane will look like later.
01;17;43;01 - 01;18;02;05
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Yeah, because I was thinking I was like, Joe never comes back. And then a few minutes later, that scene happens where they're like walking to the payphone or something, or to the back alley, and there's a girl who's like, very like smitten with him. She like, oh, that's right, she's a letter a lesbian. No, Diane was a lesbian.
01;18;02;05 - 01;18;30;09
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She's a prostitute. Yeah, yeah she is. Well, no, no. Yeah. And and but she looks very much like a Diane esque I don't remember. Doesn't he ask, do they ask each other to do something I don't remember. Why didn't I not write this, Lord? All right, let's see. Toes mind fucks as a fucking. Not you. Oh. Who was it?
01;18;30;11 - 01;18;55;24
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Okay. Do we want to talk more about this? I think because we have a I mean, there's a lot that happens until our next reveal, and it's. I mean, it's just a lot of, like, Betty and Rita, just. We would be remiss to not talk about their sexy scene. Oh, yeah. I'm just kidding. We're not there yet, but we'll get there.
01;18;55;25 - 01;19;22;15
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Oh, are we not? No. We got to talk about Adam and his whole Billy Ray Cyrus encounter. Oh, yeah? Is that. Actually, that's not really Billy Ray Cyrus. That's really Billy Ray Cyrus. Is it? Really? It is. Yeah. No, it's not. It's him. So Billy Ray Cyrus is Adam's wife's lover? Yes. I was thinking that you meant he was the cowboy.
01;19;22;15 - 01;19;27;14
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And I was like, that guy didn't look at Billy Ray Cyrus.
01;19;27;16 - 01;19;44;15
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Okay, I see, I wish Billy Ray Cyrus played the cowboy, though. That would have made sense. That's why I thought that. Well, remind. Remind me about Billy Ray Cyrus and the confusion when we get to the cowboy. Okay, okay. Oh, wait. I guess that's now.
01;19;44;17 - 01;20;09;04
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Where we're at. It is. Well, because I think we were. I thought we were talking about Billy Ray Cyrus and the whole, like, fight at the at the apartment or the house, but, Yeah, our. Okay, our fourth reveal. Adam meets the cowboy. The cowboy is actually played by one of David Lynch's friends. Monty. Something seems Monty Cyrus, not Billy Ray Cyrus.
01;20;09;07 - 01;20;27;22
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He did not want to do this. He's not an actor, Lynch. Just like said, hey, you would be perfect for this. And they just scheduled him and they were like, I've seen him before. You're you're supposed to come out to do the scene. And he's like, no, like I'm not doing that. And they just kept like rescheduling to like get him on there.
01;20;27;22 - 01;20;43;26
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And then finally he was like, okay, he came out. He was in the trailer with Justin Thoreau at the beginning of the day. And Justin Throw was like, do you want to do your lines with me? Like, do you want to? I know you knew that he wasn't an actor and he's like, do you want to practice lines?
01;20;43;26 - 01;21;07;14
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And the guy was like, oh no, I read him this morning like, I'm okay not realizing like that things are different when cameras are rolling and everyone's watching and thinking, so he couldn't say his lines. And so what they did, they ended up taping the lines on pieces of paper to like, Justin throws like head and mouth and chest and like, it's all off screen.
01;21;07;14 - 01;21;27;04
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And so when you're watching it, he's like, he's like reading the lines off of, my God, he couldn't do it. But he's. But everyone was like, you know, Lynch was like, Monty's got it. Like, he's gonna do this. This is great. So funny. You never would know that from the way they they shot it and cut it. But it's very funny.
01;21;27;11 - 01;22;05;07
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That's. And it makes it creepier to like the way he's delivering the lines is just like, this is something is, you know, it's like something's off. It's strange. So okay, so he's clearly like the muscle man, you know? Yeah. And the fact that he is a cowboy is that Mike my kind of take on it was it's sort of again, it's this the movie is reflecting on Hollywood history and sort of taking these iconic symbols to sort of like, sure, there is a familiarity with them.
01;22;05;08 - 01;22;25;09
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Like when you meet Coco, there is a familiarity this like starlet, when you meet even Betty, who's like, you know, I was about to be Hedren and like the blond bombshell whose must, you know, fight her way out. You know, fight our way through, you know, dangers. The cowboy who comes into town, who's gonna, like, fuck your shit up if you don't listen?
01;22;25;09 - 01;22;51;00
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It's like. It's very like this. Like surface level visualizations. These symbols of that are just kind of like projecting. Yeah. You know, like this, without having to explain anything. Sure. Is essentially that makes sense. So it's like, no, I get it. Like the Cowboys here, we don't know who he is or why he's doing what he's doing. But we understand the threat level and like his capabilities.
01;22;51;02 - 01;23;11;00
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Yeah. Right. But he. Oh good. Oh he just tells Adam that he has to pick Camila. Yeah. And what does he say? He doesn't even question it. He says if you'll if you choose correctly, you'll see me two more times. If you choose, if you do it wrong, you only see me once. You see me once. Yeah. That was like.
01;23;11;05 - 01;23;35;16
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So see the Grim Reaper or something? Oh, yeah. The cowboy is the Grim Reaper. Oh, God. And we see him again right at the party at the end in, quote unquote, reality. We see him, I don't remember. He's just like walks through. He walks through the room and you see him. It's almost like that scene at the end is like we were just watching a movie with these actors, and here they are at the wrap party.
01;23;35;16 - 01;24;03;28
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And like, we're getting the reality at all, which is like, it's that it's that idea of like untethered reality in the disillusionment that you feel watching a David Lynch movie. And like, here we are, like in kind of not quite behind the scenes, but we're seeing sure got so, so weird. I love it like there was a movie I can't remember where like they, they pull a con like a con movie, like where they do the con job and like, they basically it's like live theater.
01;24;03;28 - 01;24;37;14
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And then like when the con is over, you see everyone kind of like, drop their shoulders and they're out of character. But. Yeah. Okay. Are we done with the cowboy? We're never done with the cowboy. Yeah. You have a bus? Exactly. Like the cowboy could have been a cowboy. I mean, we don't have. We have two more reveals, and I wish I could show you guys the amount of notes I have between this one and the next one, and it is absurd.
01;24;37;16 - 01;24;55;23
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So I think it's maybe. Maybe I'm gonna let you guys connect that thread. And if I feel like I have something here that I can. Let's see. Oh, you know what this is? This is like, you brought up your notes and I was like, oh, I haven't looked at my notes in a while. I do have one where.
01;24;55;25 - 01;24;58;21
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So.
01;24;58;24 - 01;25;18;23
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Rita earlier, she's like, I don't know my name. She looks at the poster, she sees Rita Hayworth. She says, my name is Rita. They come out later and she's talking and Betty's like, oh, well, let's open this purse. Maybe your identification is in there, right? And they find them all the money. Oh, we didn't talk about the money.
01;25;18;28 - 01;25;42;16
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They find all the money, they find the key. And I just thought it would be so funny. I just pictured, like, her going in there and pulling out an ID, and it just says Rita. Kind of like, kind of like McLovin. Oh, yeah. I was thinking that because Benjamin Franklin was on the be like, Benjamin. Benjamin, is that me?
01;25;42;19 - 01;25;58;12
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Oh, God. Yeah. We didn't talk about the money, but I'm not going to get into that right now. Let's just. Oh, this is around the time when we get to the oh no, I guess we are a little further ahead, but I was just looking at my notes the when they, they finally have sex together. Oh yeah. Let's talk about sex.
01;25;58;12 - 01;26;20;07
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Sex? That reminds me of when I was still in the closet, but engaging in sexual things when she says, have you ever done this before? And she's like, I don't know, just like the dialogs you were done for. Nope. I thought you were gonna say it reminds you of you were in the closet and you watched this movie with your friends and you're like, wow, that's really hot.
01;26;20;09 - 01;26;35;19
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You guys look at them boobs. Look at those. Wow, two women together. That's hot. I love two vagina. What's better than one vagina?
01;26;35;21 - 01;27;07;10
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Oh, you know what? Okay, I know we're kind of, like, joking about them sleeping together, but there is an amazing shot after they have sex and they're laying there in the bed together. Okay. Easy, Zach. And you saw. It was so amazing.
01;27;07;13 - 01;27;33;23
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Oh, and there's there's two vaginas there. What's better than one vagina? Two vagina, bro. No, guys, this is when when they they converge, right? Yes. This is when things in the movie start to get, like, trippy. Like before this. It's been kind of weird a little bit, but mostly straightforward, sort of. You know what I mean? It's like nothing crazy.
01;27;33;25 - 01;28;00;13
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Now things are starting to get trippy, but when they're laying there after they sleep together, there's a great shot where, Betty is on the far side and Rita's faces more up front, like in the foreground, and they look like one face. Yeah, the way I thought in there framed, it was like, oh, that is cool. Well, that was one of my.
01;28;00;16 - 01;28;31;09
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Their vaginas look exactly the same. They were very watery. Yeah, very much so. That actually was one of my speculations at that point. I was like, oh, are they the same person? Sure that that that's the thing of this like ever playing. It's again, if you want to zoom out and it is not a literal thing. It's this like it's just about the experience of what it is to become someone else in this industry like you may as well be that other person.
01;28;31;09 - 01;28;51;05
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You're on the same trajectory, same shit going to have like interchangeable. Yes. Yeah. Because even because this is around the part where she goes to sleep and she starts saying silence, she says she's speaking Spanish in her dream. Yeah, she's a silence. And you realize that's a club. And they go to it at like 2 a.m.. Another thing that leads to the dream thing.
01;28;51;05 - 01;29;16;24
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This place is just open and the show starts exactly when they get there. Right when they're there. Yeah. Like, why are there people just in the crowd? Well, that was very like not I don't think this was like a reference to it, but like it gave me vibes of like name on Elm Street for when it was like just people scattered throughout the theater and they're all like zombies, almost just like watching the show.
01;29;16;26 - 01;29;37;22
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But yeah, that goes back to, like I said, I mentioned this earlier and it kind of got lost because it was just not I should have just waited until now. But they go there and there's that girl when she's singing on stage and she's just literally singing about crying, even when she's not conscious and they're watching it, and then they start crying.
01;29;37;22 - 01;29;59;25
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And there's the woman with the blue hair who maybe is evoking, like, I don't know, is that it's almost like, is that all there is? You just become this like, you know, objectified, like presence in a theater. And there's really nothing substantial. There's nothing of substance. It's just sort of like it's all like, what does that even mean?
01;29;59;26 - 01;30;26;13
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Like, why is identity so important to us? Why is becoming something else? What is success really like? You can be successful in a lot of things. Why do this career where you have to become someone else? Like what is so intoxicating about that? For so many people? Like, who are we as people that like, we're so driven to want to like, perform rather than just be, especially when we know what the side effects are, the consequences.
01;30;26;19 - 01;30;52;26
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Fame and fortune. Yeah. Fortune and glory. Fortune and glory and. Yeah. Oh, put it in the museum. There'll be another rock collecting dust. Well, that's the thing is, I wrote after the song, Betty realizes she has the blue box purse. Yeah, that's when, like, everything kind of changes. That's when she disappears, locks it. And we like. Like we go into the box, like the camera.
01;30;52;28 - 01;31;13;04
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We go into the dark and we. We go. What they call this, you know, what they call vaginas, boxes, boxes. Now we go into the vagina. What's better than going into one vagina? Going into two vaginas for boobies. That's why the whole thing about winking is so perfect for this movie. Like a winky. Is it a butt or the penis?
01;31;13;04 - 01;31;43;05
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Maybe it's the same. Maybe Winky is like the journey of self-discovery, of like, how come a winky couldn't be of vagina? That's true. Well, we'll talk about this another time, okay? Talk about this when you're older, Zack. Okay. Thanks. Thanks. Yeah, a lot happens here. A lot of, like, Betty is now. Diane. Rita, we didn't talk. Hold on.
01;31;43;06 - 01;32;09;05
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Back in Club Silencio. Oh, yeah. Starts convulsing. Oh, do you remember that? She's like, having a little seizure and, like, just for liking it? Yeah, and like. Like, we're not going to talk about the city of Art. Is this when she's dying? Oh, you're saying I see. Oh, like, is that like or manifesting like what her death was if assuming this is a dream kind of thing, like maybe.
01;32;09;06 - 01;32;30;10
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Oh, so you know how your life flashes before your eyes when you die. Maybe that's what this is. So maybe this is all just her quote unquote life flashing before her eyes, just how she wished that it went. And since her ambitions were to be an actor, her subconscious kind of interprets that as like having no, like, self-identity because you are constantly trying to become someone else.
01;32;30;10 - 01;32;54;00
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So her life, flashing before her eyes, is like her living all these other lives and not any of it making sense. Because it wouldn't make sense because that's not really how it happened. Listeners. Get it. You got it now. You're welcome. Get it?
01;32;54;02 - 01;33;15;13
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I was just reading my notes of where we are, and I got lost in them because it's so confusing. I just like you. I know. What are you talking about? I was like, daydreams about Rita coming back, but calls her Camila. Then Rita's back again and they're naked again. We're suddenly in a weird lesbian soap opera. Yeah, and there's like, the whole thing.
01;33;15;14 - 01;33;34;06
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Like they're on the couch and. And she's like, masturbating and, like, looking at the ceiling. That's why she's looking at. Oh, yeah, I have. We're suddenly in a weird lesbian soap opera. First I thought Adam was going to have a thing for Betty. But now Betty, who goes by Diane, has a thing for Rita, who now goes by Camila, who's into Adam.
01;33;34;06 - 01;33;46;04
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And then I just wrote cries of all masturbator! Just like the notes are just so insane.
01;33;46;06 - 01;34;10;13
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All right, well, since we're here, let's get into our. Okay, our fifth reveal. We've talked about it. I'm just going to touch on it real quick. Diane hires Joe to kill Camila in the diner. They talk about. You know, we talked about this earlier. It's the key and the whole thing. And way before we just we jumped. I wrote down in both theory.
01;34;10;18 - 01;34;35;17
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I just wrote theory and I have not. Okay, let's revisit what you wrote in the moment. Let's see. All right. Theory, just read them. I'm just gonna read it will become other people to get what we want, but can't handle everyone else around us changing who they are. So it's like, we don't know. It's like we're on this singular journey of, like, becoming someone else.
01;34;35;20 - 01;34;58;19
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But this is what you've been saying the whole time. Individual journey. Okay, so maybe I was just maybe that was me kind of just reiterating, thinking. Yeah, yeah. And then I wrote or as a consequence, everyone around us changes. Reality begins to warp. It's like we warp and rewild reality by changing ourselves because it's unnatural. Oh, okay, I get oh yeah, that's what I was thinking, I get it.
01;34;58;26 - 01;35;23;19
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We're seeing, like the cosmic made me more obviously fake, but like, we're seeing like symbolism of, like the cosmic effect we have by not being who we are. So like, we change ourselves. Therefore it kind of like short circuits reality because we're not being ourselves. So we're like projecting this like energy out into the world of fabrication of, of an unreality.
01;35;23;19 - 01;35;56;12
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Therefore, like if we go on this journey of becoming someone or something else, we therefore like set off this ripple effect of reality itself kind of changing. So it's sort of like a self induced madness because you can't just self-induced madness. Yeah, yeah, that's how I'm feeling. Get it? Good. That's just the tagline for this. Where we get it, get it.
01;35;56;15 - 01;36;21;03
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Okay. Number six, our sixth and final reveal. I and her husband or little tiny creatures. And then they become credited as Irene, Irene's companion. Irene's companion. Oh, wait. Oh, no more Danny, no more. I'm sorry. I did have a note and I wanted to mention this again. But this is the part when when they're in the diner with.
01;36;21;03 - 01;36;53;14
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When she hires Joe, we see, Dan at the counter. Remember I mentioned it earlier where he saw the other guy? Talked about this? Yeah. What do you think? Is this his nightmare? Is he seeing all of the assuming this is supposed he's supposed to be David Lynch? Like, representing like David Lynch, his role in this as, like the creator who as a creator is sort of complicit in the destruction that comes in the Hollywood system.
01;36;53;15 - 01;37;18;28
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Yeah. Is that him kind of having a moment where he's actually the one dreaming this whole thing? It's his nightmare that he's created, and he's watching this girl who is Betty who supposed to symbolize this, like, beautiful part of his story. And he's watching her in real time, like at the lowest place, like literally trying to sell all of this money just to kill someone because she wanted this.
01;37;18;28 - 01;37;46;06
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And it's like the worst version of Hollywood, and he's like, witnessing it, because who else would he be? He's just like a guy who's just like there and has, like, a whole, like, important story. Yeah. To get kind of right. Yeah. He's got to mean something else because. Yeah, what's the point? But in his dream, the other dude is standing at the register and he's sitting down.
01;37;46;07 - 01;38;10;02
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So if he's at the register. No, I thought you said. Oh, you said you're at the register, but no, but but if he's at the register, then, like, it wouldn't be his dream. Well, then maybe it's like he. Like, who does she symbolize in that moment? Zach Stein, just wait here. We haven't talked about the waitress, who's also name is Diane.
01;38;10;03 - 01;38;38;10
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Diane. So maybe his name is Diane in the beginning. Oh, yeah. And then it's Betty at the end. Is it Betty? Yeah. It's Betty. So it's just another one of those crossed wires things. Maybe all of this is her dream, but she's like all the people in this diner. Maybe this is all the bum stream. Maybe. Well, to be honest, though, like, that's part of it, because a lot of people who, you know, you fuck a lot in this.
01;38;38;10 - 01;38;58;10
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I'm only speaking. I'm not saying it's this is unique just to being an actor, but a lot of actors are creatives. You have to work these odd jobs as being like working at a diner, just kind of anything to do to pay the bills. So there is that cyclical nature coming back where the bum represents, sort of like, you know, she's still alive.
01;38;58;12 - 01;39;18;27
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She didn't this didn't kill her, but it did destroy her to some degree. And it forced her to live in the conditions in which she's living. And then but so it's like we're seeing these, like, parts of this process where they're all different people, but they may as well be the same because this industry will destroy you, it will spit you out.
01;39;19;00 - 01;39;25;20
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And they all kind of converge at wings. Yeah they do.
01;39;25;22 - 01;39;47;25
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So that's the name of the porn. Converge at Winky. Converge at the Winky. The Winky convergence, the winky convergence. And is it? It could be like the human centipede. The human centipede? What is the winky? The winky is everything. The winky is the. But the winky is the penis. The. When he's the vagina, the winky is the actress.
01;39;47;25 - 01;40;07;23
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The wind keys, the the diner, the diner, the winky, the server with the winky is the whole nature where we're all in the same journey. Some are going in, some are going out. No, it takes place in the Winky in the Winky Diner, takes place in the Winky Diner. And then a bunch of people. It's like a human centipede, but it's all the the the wiener winky and the butthole.
01;40;07;23 - 01;40;24;13
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Winky is a bunch of people stacked on top of each other. Oh, I was thinking, like we're all within the diner is the winky, so. Well, we know that you can be all of those things. Yeah. I mean, you obviously would think a little bit more about it than I know. I know my way in and out of a winky.
01;40;24;16 - 01;40;40;26
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Yeah, well, I just mean. I just mean that you pick up on a lot more things than me. So of course you're going to be more detailed about it, and you're going to be. I know, but I know the difference between a penis and a but can we start a restaurant called Winky and just sell hot dogs and donuts?
01;40;41;01 - 01;41;00;09
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Yes, please. And then, like, can I have a winky? And it's like, well, they're all winky. You have to be have to be specific. Can I have an indie winky or an Audi? That's very like Lynchian, right? It's like they go in there like I would like a winky and they're like, they're all winky. They're all winky. Yeah, they'll have to be more specific.
01;41;00;14 - 01;41;06;26
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Do you want a brown winky or a pink winky? So.
01;41;06;28 - 01;41;24;18
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Oh my God, I love that. The the name of the diner in this movie is what took over the whole book we have. We always have something. It always happens. I mean, I feel like we're the only people who have actually figured it out. Finally, if Lynch was around, he'd be so sick. Finally, I can't call it Winky for nothing.
01;41;24;20 - 01;41;40;08
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Or honestly, though, is it called Winky? Because he's just like throwing a wink to all of us about what's going on. Hollywood. Yeah, yeah, it's a good wink. Both of you had good wings. Oh, I can fucking wink, bro.
01;41;40;11 - 01;42;07;09
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No more, no more. That's my message. I go on a wink. Okay, dad, I will pull this car over. We are done talking about Winky dad. My week. It hurts. You guys mentioned Winky. One more God damn time. All right. Okay. Enough Winky cars pulled over. No more winks. Reveal number six. Irene and Irene's companion attack Diane in her apartment.
01;42;07;12 - 01;42;36;00
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Did they come out of the box? So. Okay, so we see teeny tiny. So first we see Mini Winky Mini. After the last review, when we're at Winky, we're back with the bum behind the dumpster and she has the blue story. Cassie's in the back. And yeah, she pulled it out of a bag. It's like paper bag. And we're just kind of like looking at the bag for a while.
01;42;36;00 - 01;43;00;27
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Then all of a sudden, Irene and her husband are like little tiny people, and they walk out of the bag and which is thing, and they crawl underneath Diane's door, okay. And then they get bigger. Yeah. Which is funny, because in the movie Willow, the little tiny people are called brownies. No, they're called Winky. No, no. So anyway, that's another word for winky.
01;43;00;27 - 01;43;25;28
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They're also called winky no more. It's a name for brownies from the Willow universe, but in the Lynchian universe. So they get big. They start, like, terrorizing her in her room. This is probably the least thought I've given anything so far. So, like, I think it just comes down to like, who is Irene and her husband and what do they represent in the story?
01;43;25;28 - 01;43;51;22
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And they're clearly like part of Betty's like, good memory there, or dream or whatever it is. But they clearly symbolize like a comfort, like a sense of warmth and holiness. They're the first thing in the last thing. Oh, yeah. That's where we see Betty. Yeah, yeah, because we see her with Irene. And then. Yeah, they send her off to La La Land.
01;43;51;22 - 01;44;11;17
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And then there were the ones who essentially, like, attack her enough for her to kill herself. Well, a big part is, you know, hopes and dreams and stuff about this movie. And so that's all been crushed there. So, yeah, like, even this, like these people who represented something so inviting and warm and comforting are the things that terrorize her in the end.
01;44;11;19 - 01;44;32;27
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Yeah. They're just, like, haunting her because it could be that, like, she did actually meet them on her way out to LA. Yeah, yeah. And it was like the last semblance of like, or a false first introduction to what this world was to be like. Oh, it's just like home. It's just like the comforts of my living room and like, it's like grandma or my mom or.
01;44;32;29 - 01;44;55;12
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And it's like, nope. Place got big old teeth, big old teeth, big old teeth. I need you up. Well, guys, I think we nailed it. I think we nailed it. Oh, wait, we do end. The movie does end. Is the woman with the blue hair in the club in Club Silencio. And then just the last line of the movie is she says, so what's the thing with Silencio?
01;44;55;13 - 01;45;20;28
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Like silencing? What's that all about? Just just take it. Just. Maybe that's what it's us to do. Yeah. Maybe that's that's actually really smart. And for some reason, I was like, overthinking it. Like. Yeah. Like shush. Like, we don't we don't talk about it. Tell me, smart guy for nothing. It's a smart winky. He just called you either a butthole or a wiener.
01;45;21;00 - 01;45;39;10
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Oh, yeah. Okay. That's good. It's just sort of like, see no evil, speak no evil. You want to be part of this club? Shut the fuck up. Maybe it's telling us to be quiet. He doesn't want us to talk about it. To talk? Well, you know, it could just be like that. Could just be, like, reinforcing that whole.
01;45;39;15 - 01;45;59;27
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She said Silencio. But it could be her forcing, reinforcing the whole thing of being like the things just going to keep going. It's all prerecorded, like it's you come and go, you're just a bit player in this like the the the band plays on, you know what I mean? Oh, I love that. What a great way to wrap that conversation of such a neat bow on it.
01;45;59;28 - 01;46;03;20
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Damn.
01;46;03;22 - 01;46;20;25
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Like I said, they don't call me smart guy for nothing. Guys, can we stop talking about this movie now? Is that it? Yeah. We did. Are we done? I'm really proud of it. I have to say, I'm glad our mind fuck triple feature really actually was like, we didn't. This was not. It wasn't just for sure. It was not easy.
01;46;20;27 - 01;46;40;19
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No. Yeah, it was a mind fuck. God. Yeah. Yeah. Zach helped us with you introduced us with Shutter Island, which was a little easier to, like, easy to. Yeah. Okay, well, now it's time to choose our favorite reveal in Mulholland Drive.
01;46;40;21 - 01;46;53;01
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Okay. Speed round recap six reveals. Number one, the person in the back alley, aka winks. Bum hole.
01;46;53;03 - 01;47;25;04
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Number two, Mr. Roff in the weird room, right, with the porn star. Yeah. Checks out number three. Joe shoots everybody. Number four, Adam meets the cowboy. Number five Diane hires Joe to kill Camila. And number six, Irene and Irene's companion attack Diane. All right, we know Danny's favorite reveal. Yeah. I'll go first. Okay, okay. Because my favorite reveal is Winky Bum.
01;47;25;04 - 01;47;49;09
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Because it's just so scary and iconic. No, no, I'm just kidding. I didn't have a favorite reveal for this movie because you gotta pick one. No, I can't because I can. I pick what I think you might consider picking. Yes, sure. Danny, I could see you maybe picking.
01;47;49;12 - 01;48;18;02
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The Joe shoots everyone scene. I mean, I guess. Yeah, I was going to say Mr. Rock in the room. Oh, hey. Good choice. Why why why do you think? Yeah. Yeah, I was sorry. No, I did, Jack one for you. No, I just don't have one because I didn't care about this movie. And so, like, I, when I was watching it, I didn't even.
01;48;18;03 - 01;48;33;00
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You know, I don't always take notes that I did take notes on this movie, but I had no even idea what any of these monster reveals would be, because. Yeah. What is it about this movie? Let's talk about it. What is it about this movie? Why do I want to? Why do I just want to watch it again?
01;48;33;02 - 01;48;48;26
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I don't know. Okay, you can watch it again and you can call somebody else and talk to them about it and see what they have to tell you. I'm going to leave you along this mail. You're like, who's number is this? It's got a really great I don't have a phone number despite like the meaning of it all or whatever.
01;48;48;27 - 01;49;08;02
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Like it's got a great just vibe to it. Just like the feeling of the movie, like, you know what I mean? No, I like the film noir thing. Yes, I like the cinematography. I like all of that stuff. It's just a story. Like it was just too much. It was just too much. And I like weird shit. I like weird movies, but it was just too much.
01;49;08;04 - 01;49;32;09
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Sure, it is a lot, but it's also Naomi Watts. Not being nominated for this movie is fucking I love. She might be one of my she definitely one of my favorites. Might be my favorite actress. There's something about her I love in does movies like this like her in the Funny Games remake. Holy shit. That's. Oh, yeah. Is this our second Naomi Watts movie?
01;49;32;09 - 01;49;57;13
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Because we haven't done the ring yet, and that's the only other horror that I can think of. Yeah, yeah, we'll do it. Yeah. She's good. She's real good. Danny, tell us about Winky Bum. Oh, I just I love a, I love a winky. I love a bum. Put it together. Let's drink some rum. I don't usually. All right.
01;49;57;14 - 01;50;13;05
How I Met Your Monster
Like notes on, like why I like something. I think I said enough, and I've exhausted that. But, yeah, my favorite scene is. Or my favorite reveal is the bum scene, and I do. I do feel bad. I don't like using that word bum, but I'm just that's what it's credited at. Of course, your favorite was the bum scene.
01;50;13;08 - 01;50;40;16
How I Met Your Monster
My bum is on, the cheese is on the cheese. There's just something so horrifying about it. Like, what a great. It just feels like a real nightmare. No, I'm going to pick that one, too, simply because I saw this movie, which I don't remember any of it except the. Except this scene, actually, like, after high school.
01;50;40;19 - 01;51;00;05
How I Met Your Monster
And so this time and I had seen the scene, like, talked about and I knew what was going to happen. But I do remember the first time I saw this scene that scared the shit out of me when she pops out from behind the wall, like I had no idea what was going to happen when I saw it for the first time after high school.
01;51;00;05 - 01;51;22;17
How I Met Your Monster
And so that stuck with me. This time. I knew it was coming, and so it didn't really do much for me, but I remember being terrified of that when it happened. So that's going to be my favorite reveal as well. I do wish there was more of like, I don't know, maybe I don't wish, but currently I'm wishing that there was more of a connective thread.
01;51;22;20 - 01;51;47;13
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah, to a little more clear, a little more clear connected thread. Yeah. Just satisfying. Yeah, I kill you. Yeah. Because I want when I watch something like this, I want my jaw to drop at the realization of what's going on. Do you know what I mean? Like, I want to be stunned. And when you're. Yeah. And when there's so much going on, you don't get that because you're just still like, okay, but what?
01;51;47;19 - 01;52;11;08
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah, yeah, 100%. And I want that too. And I do think sometimes maybe it's only because someone like Lynch has a reputation that you kind of, like subconsciously go into it, like, all right, I want to prepare myself for like, how I'm going to interpret this. So maybe you can't help it over interpret it or. Right. Because that does, doesn't it?
01;52;11;13 - 01;52;30;23
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I know you get that feeling of like when you wake up from a weird dream and you kind of remember like moments and you get basically you can kind of see maybe why your subconscious brought you to that place, even though it doesn't make sense. But you're like, I have stressing about this thing lately, so I don't really understand the dream, but I get why I dreamt about that.
01;52;30;24 - 01;52;46;00
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. Oh, I love like, you know, I remember most of my dreams, and I love, like, being like, okay, well, that's why this was in there, because I was thinking about this or someone said this one word like two days ago, and it just like, you know, it's in your in your brain. Did I tell you guys about my pizza crust dream?
01;52;46;07 - 01;53;03;12
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. No, I heard you were sitting in the middle of a bunch of breadsticks. Yeah. My my my my diet is. Yeah, my diet is really restrictive. So I just dream that I was surrounded by breadsticks and pizza crust. I love, not like, I like. I get the breadsticks, but I love that it wasn't the whole pizza. Just the crap.
01;53;03;13 - 01;53;18;01
How I Met Your Monster
Just like maybe, I don't know in the pizza and just left the crust. Gave me the scratch. Whatever. Okay, well, now it's time for a segment that we like to call the Real monster.
01;53;18;03 - 01;53;39;15
How I Met Your Monster
Okay, Danny, do you want to go first? Since this was your pick? Sure, sure. You got real monster. I have just a few. I have the guy raking leaves over the driveway at one point. That just bothers me. Was that it? Just recently, you just see a guy scraping the leaves on, like, the hard driveway, and he's just like.
01;53;39;17 - 01;53;58;19
How I Met Your Monster
Like the sound drive me nuts. It's also just like, sweep it if you're going to have to at that point, because it's just like so annoying and great metal rake on a hate it. Yeah. I also have anyone who thinks they can make it to an audition in LA that starts in one hour and they haven't even left yet.
01;53;58;21 - 01;54;19;11
How I Met Your Monster
It's like such a oh my God, it's an hour, I can't wait. This is going to be the greatest thing ever. It's like, girl, you already missed it. He didn't leave yet. You need to leave three hours ago. Oh, yeah. That's funny. And then I just have the academy for not nominating Naomi Watts. Because I genuinely think this is one of the greatest performances of all time.
01;54;19;12 - 01;54;53;12
How I Met Your Monster
Sure, she does everything. Yeah, like, everything. She hits every, like, sweet, funny, sexy, mysterious, scary, dark, twisted, broken. Like, it's so good. I wouldn't say it's underappreciated, but for them at the time, it clearly was. Okay, what do you guys got? Oh, I just have one. It's she's like, no, no, no, no, it is the fact that, the end credits, the song Juicy by Notorious B.I.G.
01;54;53;13 - 01;54;56;13
How I Met Your Monster
Was not playing.
01;54;56;16 - 01;55;14;28
How I Met Your Monster
That's all. I was the same note. Why? Why? I'm curious why that should be playing. Because the first lyrics are. It was all a dream. Oh.
01;55;15;00 - 01;55;36;18
How I Met Your Monster
Okay, well, I have two real monsters for this. I have Adam for carrying around a golf club. Like, was that, like a cool guy thing to do where he just like, I've got my golf club. I mean, like, he beats the limo with it, but then he probably just like golf. Just artists who though. Pretentious artist guy, that's what I'm thinking.
01;55;36;18 - 01;55;58;19
How I Met Your Monster
I was like, come on over his shoulder. Yeah, like Charlie Chaplin, Kane or something like that. So, like his thing, he's like, I'm gonna take my golf club. And he took it into the meeting with him, like, at the, like, what the fuck? So weird. Interesting. And then my second one is the weak ass coffee that Diane makes at the end of the movie.
01;55;58;21 - 01;56;16;17
How I Met Your Monster
Yes, it looked like water, dude. She put two scoops, like half ass scoops in that thing. Girl, you need, like, 8 to 10 scoops. Did you see when she was pouring in scoops? And so then when she pause it, like you said, it was just like you see right through it. And I was like, I love. What the fuck is that?
01;56;16;18 - 01;56;42;09
How I Met Your Monster
I love that we both noticed that. Jesus, the way you're saying is in the water. That was not a damn fine cup of coffee. That was not a damn fine cup of coffee. Nope. There's no cherry pie. There was no damn fine cup of coffee. Yeah, they say that in Twin Peaks. Yeah. Oh.
01;56;42;12 - 01;56;55;22
How I Met Your Monster
Casey, you got us. You got us. Son of a bitch, you winky. All right, now it's time for our last segment. Would you survive?
01;56;55;24 - 01;57;23;00
How I Met Your Monster
Would you survive Hollywood? No. Oh. No. Danny's trying. Danny wants to try in. Danny's slowly dying inside. Absolutely not. I've twitched, like, 20 times. Not interested. No. I like to think we've made it this far in the insane reality in which we live. So I'm going to say yes, but some caveats. You got this, Danny. Yeah. You?
01;57;23;03 - 01;57;46;26
How I Met Your Monster
Fine. If anyone doesn't know, Danny is an incredible screenwriter. Oh, not an actor. Oh, I'm just incredible. I wouldn't go so far as to say screenwriter. No. So look for him on. Look for me. Danny went missing at the end of this recording. Please go look for it. Yeah. That's part of me in Hollywood. Look for me?
01;57;47;01 - 01;58;07;18
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. Help him find himself. Tough thing to do and, like. Yeah, it's fun and it's terrifying all at once. I mean, and not to downplay, like, being a screenwriter, but being a screenwriter would be hard enough, let alone being someone that was actually in the, you know, because people know who screenwriters are, right? But people aren't, you know, obsessed with them.
01;58;07;18 - 01;58;41;10
How I Met Your Monster
Like, people are like actors and actresses and stuff. Wild. Like people that like, you know, become stars are like, it's funny. It's when I was younger, just like, you know, aspiring to want to be a filmmaker. You know, you, you have like, the you imagine yourself like, in the scenario or whatever. And I used to always think like it would be kind of cool to like, be just quote unquote famous enough where you might have like a fan, someone who likes something you created, like recognize you enough to be like, hey, I like the thing you did.
01;58;41;10 - 01;59;06;22
How I Met Your Monster
But I'm like, that's it. That's I wouldn't want to go any further than that. I would not want to be someone who everyone recognizes you because then it's just it's too much. Yeah. And it's almost like when this movie was made. Well, you know, 1999, the original pilot, like the 90s were such, you know, there's old Hollywood and stuff, but like, I don't think it's just because we grew up.
01;59;06;22 - 01;59;29;05
How I Met Your Monster
Then I think the 90s were actually like a time, like the movie star was like, yeah, a lot of surplus. Huge. Like it was. Well, because that's what we had. Now they have influencers and yeah, you know what I mean. And back in the 90s it was it was the yeah, actors, actresses, musicians like, you know, because we didn't have other things to occupy our time.
01;59;29;08 - 01;59;51;17
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. Basically. Yeah. You know what I mean. Like that was our entertainment period. And I know that, like, you know, since the 30s and 40s, movie stars have been like, huge, but and, like, maybe that. So maybe I did just say, like, because we were alive then and that's when we were growing up. But, I feel like that, that like the 90s was one of the biggest eras for the movie star out of.
01;59;51;19 - 02;00;13;01
How I Met Your Monster
Well, it's think of it like the way, like 80s was when they started introducing, you know, bringing home the movie, going to the movies, you used to just be a theatrical experience. And then it was like household names and you're just kind of like, inundated with all of this Hollywood culture, no matter where you are. And it kind of literally like seeps into your day to day life.
02;00;13;04 - 02;00;37;25
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. It's funny that like, by the end of the 90s, we became so saturated in it that we start getting this kind of, like, self-aware, behind the scenes movies, like, we have this. And then, I mean, you said this is 99, so this and then in 2000 you have scream 399, you have Blair Witch Project, which is also kind of like, we're taking you behind the scenes.
02;00;37;27 - 02;01;04;09
How I Met Your Monster
2001 we had Jay and Silent Bob strike back. Yeah. Yeah, just all about making movies. There's just so much like 20, 26. We had Faces of Death. Oh, no. Oh, no. It was trying to be meta. Yeah, I don't think I would. I don't think I would make it in in the big. Not the Big Easy, the big Apple.
02;01;04;11 - 02;01;19;20
How I Met Your Monster
What's the city of angels? Thank you, thank you. But even if you didn't make it, we could make a movie about, you know, becoming a bum behind Winky. So you then made it? Yeah, yeah. Ooh! Make it.
02;01;19;22 - 02;01;47;02
How I Met Your Monster
Okay, guys. That's it. We're done talking about Mulholland Drive. I loved the movie, but thank God my brain is. And that is our. That's it. That's our mind fucks triple feature. That's our double David Lynch double inside the triple feature of mind fuck movies. It's done in of triple. Yeah. And now it's time to announce our newest triple feature.
02;01;47;08 - 02;02;17;13
How I Met Your Monster
Coming up next, it's voodoo baby. Oh, yeah. Voodoo baby. You said it. I just said it. It just it just it came out and it came out. Voodoo. Yeah, it's it's voodoo, baby. That's, That's it. That's our triple feature. We're doing voodoo movies. It's like, oh, what's our first? I'm kicking us off with Skeleton Key from Kate Hudson.
02;02;17;15 - 02;02;38;19
How I Met Your Monster
Is that who's from Hudson? From her? No, she's in Hudson. Gina Rollins. John. Gina Rollins is in this movie. Peter Sarsgaard. Oh, yeah. This movie is not know that. I know I've seen the Skeleton Key when it first came out, but I don't remember other than like the setting of like That House. I don't remember anything about it.
02;02;38;19 - 02;03;05;27
How I Met Your Monster
So I'm excited to watch Skeleton Key. Casey first, like Southern Gothic since Mickey Rourke. Angel heart. Oh, angel heart. Oh, I love angel heart. So good. Did we cover that? Yeah, I did an episode on it a couple of years ago, and it was really good, because that's a good movie. Casey, what are we following? Skeleton key. We are doing child's play.
02;03;05;27 - 02;03;32;05
How I Met Your Monster
And let me tell you, God, I'm so glad I picked this movie because I am excited just to have a fucking, like, monster, monster, monster, monster. I am so excited to not have to fucking think about things. Yeah, I'm ready because even before us up the most. No no no no no no, you're very you're right. I mean, it's because even before this triple feature, I don't remember exactly what we did, honestly.
02;03;32;05 - 02;03;54;24
How I Met Your Monster
But I remember that we have an X and devil devils and devils and dicks. Right. So even in that we didn't have, like traditional. Yeah. Like monsters. Oh, God. So I'm excited to not have to think about our mind feature. Yeah, I'm excited just to watch Chucky fucking viciously murder people I can't wait. No, you're right, you're right.
02;03;54;25 - 02;04;19;08
How I Met Your Monster
Maybe we need to start getting back into the basics and get some some heavy hitters, some iconic monsters on our show. Which is. Which brings us to my choice, which is just shock, full of classic horror movie monsters. Yes. Very obvious. Not chock full of. Well, tell us what it is and then I will. It is Wes Craven's The Serpent and the rainbow.
02;04;19;10 - 02;04;39;14
How I Met Your Monster
There you go. It's the Wes Craven aspect. May not be a heavy hitter when it comes to iconic monsters, but director, iconic filmmaker. Good point. Yeah. And Bill Pullman, you know who doesn't love Bill Pullman? Game over man, that's Bill Paxton, damn it.
02;04;39;16 - 02;04;43;24
How I Met Your Monster
I knew that. As I said, I was like, wait.
02;04;43;27 - 02;05;02;28
How I Met Your Monster
Yeah. That's cool. Well, I have to go watch aliens now. So God, the serpent and the rainbow, dude, the they have on the posterior. Terrified. As a child, I always thought it was a vampire movie growing up, because I thought it was a guy like a vampire coming out of his coffin. I always thought it was a kid.
02;05;03;01 - 02;05;16;12
How I Met Your Monster
I always thought it was like a little kid. Until you see that it's Bill Pullman. Yeah, I don't. I've seen it, but I don't remember a lot of it. He's like, I feel young and beautiful and.
02;05;16;15 - 02;05;46;11
How I Met Your Monster
He's like, oh, stop. That's the tagline. Oh, stop. Yeah. So that's exciting. Voodoo movies. Very cool. Looking forward to that. Thank you to anyone who followed us on Mind Fox. This was a trip excited to be. I'm so excited to have done it and I'm excited to be done with it. It's really interesting because we actually got a lot of new listeners, so it'll be interesting to see if they this is how you're being introduced to us.
02;05;46;14 - 02;06;11;29
How I Met Your Monster
The most insane triple feature. Yeah, yeah. And so okay, well, on that note, if you're a new listener and you're not following us on social media, make sure to follow us on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok. Follow the show Apple Podcasts, Spotify, we're on YouTube. And where can our listeners find you guys on social media? I am on Instagram at Wolfmother.
02;06;11;29 - 02;06;29;13
How I Met Your Monster
Casey. Awesome. Danny. You can find me on Instagram and Letterboxd at my name, Danny Salem. That's just Dan NYSE MMA, that's Toombs. Like the candy melt in your butt, melt in your winky.
02;06;29;16 - 02;06;53;21
How I Met Your Monster
Perfect. I'm glad you customized it for this episode, and you can find me on social media at Zach when not Zach Winky. Zach. Maybe I should not want to go to Zach Winky. Com been warned. All right, well, until our voodoo triple feature. Thank you all for listening. Now go meet some monsters.