Wrapping up our MASKED UP triple feature, we’re trading in chilling chase scenes for savage strolls to meet the monster known only as Johnny in Chris Nash’s IN A VIOLENT NATURE, starring Ryan Barrett, Andrea Pavlovic, Lauren-Marie Taylor, Cameron Love, Reece Presley, Liam Leone, and Charlotte Creaghan.
Wrapping up our MASKED UP triple feature, we’re trading in chilling chase scenes for savage strolls to meet the monster known only as Johnny in Chris Nash’s IN A VIOLENT NATURE, starring Ryan Barrett, Andrea Pavlovic, Lauren-Marie Taylor, Cameron Love, Reece Presley, Liam Leone, and Charlotte Creaghan.
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Today we wrap up our masked up triple feature with Chris Nash's 2024 gory yet gradual ambient slasher. The killer's body takes precedence. Local law is as unforgiving as nature itself, and you'll quickly learn that your hard earned Fitbit numbers don't stand a goddamn chance against undead serial killers seeking bloody revenge. As we trade in chilling chase scenes for savage strolls to meet the monster known only as Johnny in In a Violent Nature.
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You're listening to how I Met Your Monster, a podcast that explores the introductions to your favorite movie monsters. My name is Zack. I'm Danny and I'm Casey, and together we dive into the world of horror to find out how filmmakers have introduced us to our favorite monsters time and time again. This is how I Met Your Mother.
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Once you open it, we met him. 15 years ago. I was told there's nothing left for you. Explorers in coastal regions are curious humans to solve arguments to others. Oh, here we go.
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Oh. Surprisingly. Come on. I'm making a new.
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Welcome to how I Met Your Monster, the show where we discuss the introductions to your favorite movie monsters. Today we are wrapping up our masked up triple feature with 2020 four's slow burn of a horror movie. I mean, it's sort of a slow burn, but not really a slow burn. He just walked slow. Yeah, there's lots of nature.
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But it's, in a violent nature. It's that's that's why it's nature. Because it's in a violent nature. Nature in itself is pretty violent. Yeah. Is is just, a different a different kind of violence. It's not a natural violence. It's actually an unnatural one. So it's an unnatural violence in a violent nature? Yes. Unnatural nature of violence.
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And also, Danny, have you ever wanted to subscribe to a horror movie magazine that gives you, like, cool behind the scenes write ups, pictures, upcoming stuff, and, like, just really cool horror movie shit? I've had the urge once in my life, and I gave in to the temptation and I now have a subscription to a horror movie magazine.
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Let me guess, you paid full price for it. I paid full price and now I'm living in just a life of regret. And, I'm filing bankruptcy and things just aren't working out. If only I had gone into that with, some kind of deal. I mean, even if I just got to be honest. Like, I'd settle on a solid 20% off my life would be.
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I'd be writing smooth right now. Life was better. I would have zero problems, but I would still have my horror movie magazine subscription. Yes. Well, you know what? This is so funny that we're having this conversation right now, because right now you can get that. I mean, it's not gonna help you because you're already filing for bankruptcy, but, yeah, I'm too far gone.
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And I'm not one of those people. That's like, if I can't have it, no one can. But since I can't have it, I hope everyone can. And everyone can. Because all you got to do is. What is it? You just got to put in. It's got to be what, like a it's probably the most difficult process to save 20% off, right?
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How I Met Your Monster at checkout and you get 20% off. And you also. This is the kicker. You also get to help support our show. Oh my God. So it's like killing two birds with one stone. But in this case, when you throw the stone at the two birds, they like thrive. Yes. So you're breathing life into this.
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And also, when you throw the stone, there's always one bird that gets away. And he and he and he dropped the magazine. He had one in his claws that he was reading. Are these these storks? Do they care? Instead of babies, they carry around magazines. Subscriptions. Yeah. And if you could just hit them with the stone, they'll drop.
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I get it. Okay. So, yeah, this is this is 20% off. Is the equivalent of throwing a stone at a pair of storks and allowing one of them to fly away, and in doing so, drop a magazine onto your lap. Exactly. Zach, you should have just said that from the beginning. It makes so much sense. All right, well, I'm glad we.
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I'm glad we cleared it up, though, now so other people don't have to, just ruin everything about their lives. Thank you, Zach. And to everyone listening, you're welcome. Yeah. So chop off and go. Wycombe. How I Met Your Monster. Promo code 20% off. Help support our show. Now that that very, nature based scenario is out of the way.
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Yeah, we can talk about this nature based movie called In a Violent Nature. Yeah. We were talking about some fowls, as in birds. And now we're about to talk about something foul. As in the things that happen here. The prince will kill. Oh, he. These he got. But yeah, we're talking about 20, 20 fours in a violent Nature, written directed by Chris Nash.
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So I found. So I was listening to some interviews with Chris, and, it turns out he was inspired a lot by Gus Van Sant. And, like, the simplicity of his films like Jerry and elephant. Now, I never saw the life movies. Yeah, yeah, I never saw Jerry. But I know it's just Matt Damon and Casey Affleck, like, out in the desert.
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This in bad shape? But I did. I used to own elephant on DVD. That's a very disturbing movie, but it's. But I can definitely see where he got inspiration from that. Yeah. Yeah. If you guys haven't seen elephant, it's basically like recounting the last day of a school shooters life right before they, you know, do that, what they're going to do.
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But it's not in UB. Oh, way that feels, well, yeah. Because you're, you're like you're following a character. You're not following the school shooter until like a little bit later in the movie for a little bit, but like, you're following just like a kid who goes to that school. Yeah, that's for most of the day.
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While. And then there's a little bit where it switches and then it goes back, I think. But but it's much like this one where you're like, following right behind him and you're just like going through the hallways and stuff like that. And that's, very much like this movie where you're following our, slasher character of Johnny, through the woods, and you just stick with him mostly for the whole time.
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I've seen a lot of people compare it to if you guys have played the, Friday the 13th the game where you have the option of playing as Jason, and a lot of it is obviously you're just walking around trying to figure out how you're going to kill teens and you got to do it in some cases a little secretively.
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So you don't get seen in a lot of this movie is just sort of it's everything that it's it's just a change of perspective. It's just really it's a really fun idea. It's very fresh and it's just like, what's going on? What's Jason doing while the teens are doing their thing? In this case, not a whole lot. Which is to be expected.
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But he's just kind of walking around, maybe finding some weapons and, kind of figuring out the lay of the land. So that he knows kind of the best way to execute his, what was in his plan but to execute his victims? Yeah, totally. So, yeah, I heard one of the producers, Peter Kaplan, he was doing an interview at, San Diego Comic-Con when this movie was first released.
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And he was talking how, like, the whole intention going into this was to be to kind of try to feel like the third or fourth movie in, like a franchise that's already like it doesn't exist, but you're kind of living in it already. So like the backstory is like the White Plains slaughter. It would took place like 70 years ago, and there was like a boy and his dad and, some shit went down where the people played a prank on the kid, and he died.
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And then later, all the people that were involved in that ended up dead. And then years pass and Johnny comes back and he kills more people, and then they, like, bury him. And they put the necklace that I think that his mother wore, like over his grave to, like, keep him at bay. And that's kind of where the movie starts, is that somebody takes the necklace and it he resurrects.
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But it's funny that that, producer Peter Boesky that I just mentioned, he actually has ties to some Oklahoma films because there's a filmmaker here in Oklahoma City named Mickey Reese who has quite a few movies under his belt now. A couple of them you can see on shudder. And, Peter Capacity was also a producer on some of those films, too.
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And he's like, this is six degrees of Kevin Bacon. But it's yeah, six reasons Mickey Reese. Yeah. He did that movie Agnes, which you can find on shudder. And he did one called climate of the Hunter, which was a like a, I think it was like a vampire esque story, but but yeah. So Johnny is our, our monster today.
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Yeah. This movie is like it's the opening Michael Myers Halloween POV sequence of Friday the 13th movies. Yes. Say like watching a Friday movie, but it feels like that scene specifically. Yeah, it's really cool because I remember telling you and Casey about this life. I saw it in the theater when it came out, and, I was telling you guys, it's like it has the.
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Because I know you know, Casey, who is not with us on this episode. She's a huge Art the clown fan. Very violent. She loves dark, violent shit. And so I was like, there's enough for everybody because I said, you, Danny, are going to love this movie for the atmosphere. And just like the Friday the 13th feeling of it all.
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And Casey is going to love it for the violence and all the creative kills that happen. So there's a little bit for everybody. There is a little bit for everybody. And there's there's something for people who just like nature documentaries, because that's right. What's the difference? You're, you know, you're sitting down watching Planet Earth and you're literally watching like a whole episode of alive and like their journey is like, how the fuck you kill this gazelle?
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And by the end of it, you're like rooting for you like fucking kill the fucking gazelle. Like you need to survive. So what is really the difference when you're watching this and you're watching Johnny in the same general like esthetic and set up, you know, killing off people who, as far as he's concerned, is wronging him or needs to die.
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In the same way a line might say the same thing about a gazelle. Yeah. Fuck that gazelle. Yeah, yeah, we're oh, by the way, we have to pick it. So yeah. Not fucking not fuck the gazelle. What if the end of it, you're like. It's like a, it's like the rom com version of Planet Earth. He doesn't want to kill the gazelle.
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They end up like falling for each other. It's like opposites attract. Yeah. That's like. It's like the, you know, the he's chasing the gazelle and you're like, yeah, get up. You think he's going to kill him? And it's like, oh no, that's not what I meant. What do you what do you do? It this turn. But so Danny, did you enjoy this movie?
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I did, I enjoyed it. I remember right when it started, it had been talked up quite a bit. I have a friend of mine had said they saw it, like, four times by the time. Oh, damn. Like, very shortly after its release. So I was like, oh, okay, can't go anywhere but down from here, which is not the best way to start sometimes off the movie.
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Yeah. But no, I really enjoyed it. It did everything you said. Like in terms of it, the movie is I, you know, to, to borrow a phrase from a younger generation, maybe like, it's a vibe. And I mean, that is in a good way, it's a compliment. It's a very unique type of movie. And we can go like, you know, like ad nauseum and kind of repeating ourselves in terms of like why this movie is so different from other, slashers, but it kind of like is bears repeating because it is.
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So when you're going into this movie, like, really prepare yourself like you are not watching a classic slasher for, you are just with this for the like you said, for the most part with this dude. But I loved that, I loved it, I loved, yeah, I wish I could feel more original and saying it just felt fresh.
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I guess it was like, oh, okay, because I could I mean, I do rewatch all the Friday movies and obviously there's all the times like I already have that I need something different. And I and I got to with this movie, which is a lot of fun. Oh, good. What about you? Yeah. No, I loved it. And it's funny because I saw it in the theater and then I watched it last night, obviously, on TV, on shudder.
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And so seeing it in the theater and this is going to sound like a dig, but I don't mean it that way at all. Sing in the theater. It was very much like an arthouse kind of picture. And then when I watched it on shudder last night, or saw my TV in my living room, it felt almost like, 90s director video kind of thing, which and I mean that in a good way, because it just felt like cookies.
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It was like different and everything, but like, everything seemed sharper. I don't know if it was like the projection on the screen versus like, whatever fucking frame rate or whatever your TV plays it at. But everything felt like more crisp and more sharp, like it was almost shot on video, kind of like those direct to, you know, direct to video, things back in the 90s and stuff.
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And so it had a kind of a different feel. And I thought that was really cool because I was like, oh, this seems like a low budget direct to video thing, home grungy ness to it. Like, yeah, that's I like that. But it was neat. So. So I liked it, both times that I've seen it and, we are getting a sequel, so, there will probably be, another rewatch before seeing the, the new one when it, eventually.
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Yeah. It's like this franchise is kind of because you said it's like the way they framed it was like you're basically watching a sequel in a franchise that doesn't exist. So I feel like we're inevitably maybe going to get, like, the prequel. Oh, yeah. Maybe we kind of go, yeah, yeah. And I, I have to say, I, I have read some opinions from people about where they stand on, certain scenes and sequences and like, where the movie might deviate a little bit from the kind of like initial, like a framework of how the movie is set up with this whole, like, POV thing.
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I'm not really going to voice too much of an opinion on what I think about that. I think the movie is great as it is. But I definitely think I, I really appreciate the commitment to the Bay, so to speak. Yeah. When they kind of just like, stick to that, kind of established, style. So yeah, I don't so if there is a sequel, I hope that they, they, they stay with that.
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It's not go even deeper into like, you know, I want this to be this. I know I want this movie in this franchise to be this style. And I hope they never feel the need or the compulsion, or compulsion to, to to change. And that's it. That's what. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, are you ready to head to, northern Ontario and, take a walk in the woods?
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I think you're supposed to be in New York or Georgia or the. I don't know, isn't it supposed to be, because they said White Plains, which makes me think of New York. Yeah. I got the impression that this was like, what is? Well, I think it is supposed to be Ontario. Is it supposed to be Ontario?
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I think so, okay, maybe I miss her somewhat. Well, it's funny because they reshot like 70 to 80% of this movie. Well, why? There was a couple reasons. Number one, the main actor who was playing Johnny, something happened to him. Like he got sick or had some kind of medical thing, and so he couldn't go on. And so then they replaced the actor.
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But because we're following so much of him, they were finding it difficult to cut the two together because their movements were like, yeah, different. And you could tell. So that was one reason. But also the location where they were shooting, he wanted it to feel the director, Chris Nash, wanted it to feel like the woods in northern Ontario where he grew up.
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But wherever they were shooting didn't feel like that. And so they moved the location to a different part of Canada and shot there. And so with those two things, they ended up shooting like, like you said, like between 70 to 80% of the movie. Can you it was reshot because this is like a low budget horror movie. Yeah.
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So it was a low budget movie. They were working with shutter and IFC. Oh, already. So initially they had, I see. Okay. And so like, they were apparently very supportive of okay, the crew they like scaled the crew way down. They took like, you know, they used a lot of their own resources. They pulled in like every favor they could to like, reshoot this thing.
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And there's some scenes that we'll talk about as we go through, but like some things that they were trying to do originally that they had time to think about and, and kind of well re rework and rethink how to do certain things that ended up being a lot better in the reshoot than they were going to be originally in the, in the first thing.
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So, so it worked out, I would say, I mean, they had a lot of success with this. And so at the time, it probably seemed like the end of the fucking world. And then, you know, I'm like, I'm having like secondhand stress just from hearing that. Yeah. It's hard enough to make a movie. Yeah. To then have to shoot more than half of it.
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We were reshoot more than half of it. Yeah, they did that actually. On what? Funny enough, on a movie that inspired this movie or a franchise that inspired this movie. On Friday the 13th, six Jason Lives. They recast Jason because it just didn't fit. And if you watch it, you can actually see some. There's some scenes I forget.
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I think it was the director spoke about this in a commentary or some interview, and they mentioned you can actually see the fit of Jason's outfit is different because the actor that they got is different. Okay. So it goes to show that, like they, they're, they're intuition in, in a violent nature to, to just reshoot it instead of just recast and cut it together was, was good.
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So, so what you're saying is in Friday the 13th, part six, you can see the two different Jason's. I was that's what I've been told. Okay. If I've ever really I don't know if if it's that noticeable. Gotcha. And for all I know I could be mixing it up with another. I'm pretty positive it was, six Jason lives because I'm specifically remembering them, referencing a scene.
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I think it's the one where, he goes and kills the, paint bowlers. Oh, okay. And I think they said you can notice it there. I don't know, you know, that the 13th. Yeah. I'm not a I'm I'm not. You act like I have, like, a Jason expert, and I just have a Friday the 13th memorabilia and toys in my office.
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Danny. What's that behind you? Jason? All right, let's head to, northern Ontario and meet Johnny.
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And.
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You.
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Okay, so, Danny, this was your pick for our masked up triple feature. Could you please read the IMDb synopsis for A Violent Nature? I forgot. Okay, so hot. Damn it. You and Casey are never prepared like this at all. Like, ready to go, and then usually I don't. All right, according to IMDb, the synopsis for In a Violent Nature is as follows.
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When a locket is removed from a collapsed fire tower in the woods that entombed the rotting corpse of Johnny, a vengeful spirit spurred service where the vengeful spirit spurred on by a horrific 70 year old crime I've never heard, spurred on. His body is resurrected and becomes hellbent on retrieving it. Okay, okay. So, okay, I watch, with the subtitles on or with captions on just because I've just gotten used to it.
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And which is funny because he doesn't. He does not. He doesn't talk. There's not a lot of talk. But during that opening scene that, like, the dudes are talking off screen and we find out that one of the character's names is Aaron. Have you ever seen the name Aaron spelled e h r e n I have actually.
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That's funny. Aaron Krueger, who wrote a bunch of, horror? Funny enough, Krueger not related to Freddy. As far as we know, has written a lot of horror movies, including scream three, and I want to say, yeah, in the ring remake. The American remake. Yeah. So I am sorry, but I have heard that spelling only because of this guy.
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Okay. Well, I, I, stand corrected. Yeah, I was about to call him a dork, but I don't do that anymore. Maybe it was a direct reference to Aaron Krueger. It could be. Could be. Wait a minute. What is this, a screenwriter? It's time for the how I Met Your Monster conspiracy theory of the week, I believe so you better hit it.
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I'm telling you that NASA is going to. The president of the United States will be nothing like that kind of thing. A Secret Service agent can, like, throw himself on top of the whole Vietnam War was fought over and Howard Hughes lost tax dollars.
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So this year, this year, conspiracy theory. It's been a long time since we've done one of these. I know, and this one is maybe not. It's not good. They usually are good. Yeah, they usually are. And then sort of all. See, now, Aaron Krueger, the screenwriter of many a horror movie, including the aforementioned scream three and The Ring remake.
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Is he the character is the character in a violent nature that one of the people who is responsible for awakening Johnny from his, supernatural slumber? Is he Aaron Krueger, the screenwriter? And if so, did the events of In a Violent Nature inspire Aaron Krueger to then go on to pursue a career in screenwriting as a horror screenwriter?
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Well, I, I have some support of that theory, and I have some not support. Some definitely want to hear this, this support, the support and what is it? Unstable support. Unsupported. Unsupported. This of that. Yeah. You have a lack of support. I don't hear the positive that that boosts my theory. So Aaron Krueger, who you think is this character in so many ways, is a screenwriter.
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Aaron in the movie is the one who tells the story of the White Plains slaughter. See, campfire. So he's already a storyteller, so he already knows, but he does get his head split in half at the mouth, so. But I feel like that's just like a metaphor for, like, how screenwriters in this industry are treated, how they talk too much.
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If they tell you, you know, the mouth, you're running your mouth, you're you're split in your mouth open. So it's almost like, the weapon, whatever it is an ax. But who right now, what's what's his mouth? The first thing he uses is split to the dude's mouth. The first weapon he has is like a hacksaw.
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Kind of like Hacksaw Ridge. Yeah. No. Which dealt with its own. Yeah. Which dealt with its own little pushback because of Mel Gibson's involvement. So maybe that's an even deeper metaphor for the studio system. Kind of like Hacksaw Ridge, the screenwriters mouth when he's trying to tell a story and they're like, we don't want the story. We just want to see the killer kill.
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So we're actually going to flip the script on this, so to speak. And instead of doing another slasher, we want to see no story. We want to see just the guy killing. We're going to we're going to go so far as to follow him as though this were a nature documentary, and that's the movie we ended up getting.
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So yeah, and I will say later, during the yoga scene, it is on a cliff, but not really a cliff. More like a ridge. See, and if you're see, this is why you guys, when you're watching movies, it's not just enough to be entertained by it. You should be really dissecting every second. And a lot of people might think that you're kind of, you know, jumping the gun or reading to into it or you're not, everything means something.
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And, don't let the haters, you know, here's going to hate, hate, hate. Yes. So we're right. You're right. We got this. This movie means this is actually one of the most important movies in the horror genre as far as I'm concerned. And so this was, you know, a originally intended to act like a third or fourth installment of a franchise that doesn't exist.
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I think that franchise is Hacksaw Ridge. Oh, I agree, well written by Aaron Krueger. Exactly. Yeah. Let's see. I'm going to find out who wrote. Was it Mel? Mel, I don't know. I think it was it was it the Gib was it Gib? Yep. Gib. Old son of the Gib. It was written by Robert Schenk and Andrew Knight.
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Okay. Now, of course, as in, like, Tuesday night from Nightmare on Elm Street four. Yeah. Freddy Krueger, Aaron Krueger, full circle, full circle. Aaron tells the story, and we're here and we solved it. And I'm gonna argue that this is one of the most, if not the most successful. How we met your monster conspiracy theories of the week.
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I'm just sorry that we didn't have Casey here to support our theory. Yes, because she's so supportive. Does most of you that's. So I want to actually, let's dedicate this theory to our own Casey Brewer. Casey. That's right. This one's for you. Yep. Two birds, one stone, full circle birds, one stalk, two stalks or no. Is it one bird?
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Two are we did one stone, two stalks? Something like that. Yeah. Sounds. Do you get it? If you're not following along, is it on us or is it on you? Exactly. Don't answer that.
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Okay, so Johnny, comes out of the ground, like. I mean, since we are following him through this movie, like he's right at the beginning, we start seeing him. So, yeah, we are introduced to our monster right out of the gate. Which, with that being said, I failed to mention our reveals for this movie. We have seven official monster reveals and five honorable mentions for this movie in a violent nature.
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This one was a tough one to lock in because we're following the monster. But, you know, we put our. We put our brains together, we figured it out. But, you know, our rules are our guidelines for counting reveals is whenever the audience is revealed or whenever the monster is revealed to the audience, or whenever the monster is revealed.
00:30:06:27 - 00:30:38:03
Two characters in the movie. Yes. And so that's how we kind of, pick our reveals, but our system. So we had an honorable mention right at the beginning when the the teens are talking about Johnny at the, at the site of the old fire tower. And then our first official reveal is Johnny. Yeah. Rising from the grave, which happens because one of the characters in that honorable mention when they're discussing the story is Troi takes the locket.
00:30:38:05 - 00:30:56:06
Yes. That is, essentially sealing and holding Johnny in his, tomb. Right. His makeshift tomb. And so now we're following Johnny. He's kind of waking up. He moves a little bit slow. I mean, he moves slow through the whole thing, but a little bit slower now because he's just waking up. He's stretching, you know what I mean?
00:30:56:09 - 00:31:21:04
And he, he hears, like, the horn honking and he goes towards this house. So the ranger, the park ranger is there talking to or fighting with this man who lives on this at this house, who is like setting bear traps all around the area and the rangers, like, you can't do that. Like someone's going to. It's like a place or something, like someone's going to step on them.
00:31:21:07 - 00:31:43:06
But I didn't notice this the first time. It was on my second watch that I noticed when Johnny goes up to them, he immediately goes for the park ranger who is driving away, but he like goes to the ranger and then he's like, well, he's gone. I'm going to go for this other guy and we'll find out later why that is.
00:31:43:06 - 00:32:02:24
That's so. I did not catch up that it it's just like a little bit like he looks like the guy goes in the house and he, like, walks towards where the guy's driving away. And I was like, oh, it's because of he has this agenda. He's got his agenda. Yeah. Savvy to it. Right. Fun. So then our second reveal is right here.
00:32:02:27 - 00:32:26:16
He meets the number one motherfucker. Yeah. And we call him that because the whole thing is he's looking for this locket. Johnny finds a locket and he's like, oh, you fucker, you you stole it. Yeah. Can we of course find out that this locket, which a very quick, kind of like, brief in screen, picture in picture flashback, shows us that it's it has to do with this, maternal connection that he has this.
00:32:26:19 - 00:32:52:05
Yeah. Literally, it's this connection with his mother. But this one says number one mother fucker on it. Yeah. Which, which that flashback was really cool because, you know, just in general, this has a very Friday the 13th vibe, like we've been talking about. And that flashback was really cool because it reminded me of like, Jason takes Manhattan where there on the beach.
00:32:52:12 - 00:33:09:03
And she, like, looks in the thing and you see, like, the edges of the screen are kind of like foggy or misty, but then there's like a, memory playing in the thing, and then it fades away, and it's like, oh, that's so cool. Like it's just like even I think of again. Oh, that's so smart. All right.
00:33:09:04 - 00:33:27:24
Love that. Yeah. So after that, we get this great. Like, when he kills the, the number one motherfucker guy, there's a great transition from, like, his hand going up to his face, and then it cuts to his hand going for the locket, but now his torso is just, like, covered in blood and shit. I love it.
00:33:27:27 - 00:33:48:21
It's really fucking cool. Transition. Then we followed Johnny for a little bit, and then we kind of break from our kind of template here as of following Johnny as we're now, we're listening to these people talk around a campfire, but we're no longer in Johnny's perspective anymore. Yeah, I was surprised by this. This this caught me off guard.
00:33:48:23 - 00:34:06:18
Yeah, yeah, it was a little because I wasn't sure what was motivating it in terms of, like, the structure of the story. Yeah. The movie. But because, I mean, it would have been cool and like, you know, ultimately, again, like I said, like, I love this movie. So like anything that I, we say here is just kind of like, whatever.
00:34:06:18 - 00:34:32:25
But, if they just stayed with Johnny and he was just like in the woods and we just heard them tell this story, like the whole conversation that they were having, we just heard it in the distance a little bit. Yeah. I was she was like, he was like, right there. That. Yeah. Because it's it almost makes it scarier because we already we've already said this, but like, we already understand the, the general like layout of how these movies like it's the kids around the campfire telling the story.
00:34:32:28 - 00:34:51:20
We've never really seen, although we may have considered what it may have been like in the woods of Where is Jason when all of this kind of stuff is happening? Is he just listening? Is he like there? And in this case he is, or Johnny is at least. Yeah, I would have loved that. What Jason's like next to him.
00:34:51:20 - 00:35:13:18
Like they slip into each other. It's like it's like that scene and Billy Madison where they're about to get on the bus. The Chris Farley's like that. Veronica on is one piece of a. So I know from experience, dude, I feel like he, like, nudges them with his elbow. That's what I want to see. Like, Jason got Johnny be like,
00:35:13:20 - 00:35:40:28
Let's get to the campfire. We're going to get them, John is like, I know from experience. Yeah. You know. Oh, man. But, yeah, that was a little it was kind of jarring to be like, oh, now we're out of it already. They do that a couple times. A few times in this movie where, yeah, I guess I don't I don't understand the motivation for it.
00:35:41:01 - 00:36:15:15
Yeah. It's fine. It doesn't hurt. The movie doesn't make it worse. It's still like exist within the kind of, I don't know, like structure that we're kind of used to. So it's not like we're. Yeah, I don't know. Well, you know, like, yeah, I was saying at the beginning of this episode that the director was inspired by things like Gus Van Sant's Elephant, which also does that you're following this kid through the whole movie until, like three quarters of the way in or closer to the end, and then it switches to the antagonists of the story, and then you're following them for a little bit.
00:36:15:18 - 00:36:42:13
So it's kind of like the same thing where, you know, you we'll find out later in the end that it switches to the last survivor, which is jarring in itself. But maybe that was just like, another inspirational thing from, movies like elephant that can do that same thing, I don't know, I hope, like the cynic in me is, is thinking it's like a studio note to be like, we need something a little more traditional here to make sure our audience sticks with us.
00:36:42:16 - 00:37:06:00
And I really hope that's not the case, because I think the strength of this movie is when it is committing to this more unusual kind of approach to a slasher. But you never know. I mean, IFC and shudder, where the company's behind this. And it was kind of they seem pretty, open to you know, filmmakers kind of doing their thing.
00:37:06:03 - 00:37:33:13
Experiments usually stuff like that and. Yeah. Yeah. But Got no answers there. But our, our next honorable mention is coming up, and it's our second kill of the movie. Aaron, could be an Krueger. We don't know. His face is cut in half with the Hexa. It's an honorable mention for us and not an official reveal because he never actually meets Johnny.
00:37:33:16 - 00:37:53:16
He's just, like, standing at the tree, smoking a joint, and then all of a sudden is. He'll come cut in two quick, two quick. Wouldn't that be fucking wild? You're just, like, standing there. And then all of a sudden your head's split in half and you're like, fuck, is this how you. If you were in a slasher and maybe you were fated to die by someone like Johnny or Jason, what do you want?
00:37:53:18 - 00:38:17:03
The chase scene. And maybe you're potentially excruciating death. Or do you just want to go out? Quick? Well, he didn't really go quick. He kind of, like, was alive for a bit, and he, like, kind of had to work his, sore in before his head cut in half. So it was still excruciating. I think the part of me wants to be like, oh, just don't show me.
00:38:17:03 - 00:38:42:04
Just get it over with, and I'm done. Yeah. But also, if you see him, then you there's a potential that you would have a chance to survive. So you're telling me there's a chance. Telling me there's a chance. A little dumb and dumber reference for, for Casey, who's never done those on the show. No, once he kills Aaron, he takes his body to this, kind of like a history center.
00:38:42:04 - 00:39:08:28
Like a visitor's center, I guess, to find his mask. One of the things I thought was cool was that he throws Aaron's head through the window to, like, break the glass. As you do. And Aaron's head, like the top of his head, lands directly looking towards the camera, like, right in the light. And I wonder, when filming this movie, did they do that multiple times until it landed, like, perfectly?
00:39:09:00 - 00:39:27:18
Or was it like, a visual effects shot? Because there are some VFX shots in this movie that you don't realize are VFX shots. Which I'll talk about when we get there, but I wonder if that was like, had to have been some form of manipulation. Yeah, because it lands to perfect, like right where it needs to be.
00:39:27:18 - 00:39:50:00
And yeah, it's, I mean, even I don't know if it's as far as like I doubt they had the time and money to spend on like, you know, like Stanley Kubrick famously rolled the ball to Danny in The Shining over and over again until it was perfect. Oh, really? Oh, okay. I can't imagine a shoot like this where you're like, constantly fighting against time and in a lot.
00:39:50:01 - 00:40:18:27
Yeah. Budget. Yeah. To be like, take 71. Let's roll that head again in the off chance it is exactly the way we want it to be. Yeah, you're right, but, but I, I mean, I trust me, I've been wrong before. I'm usually wrong. But. Yeah. Well, Chris, you know, speaking of, VFX and chopped off heads and stuff, Chris Nash, the writer director of this was, like, predominantly, prosthetics guy.
00:40:18:27 - 00:40:41:04
Like, he does like, oh, he was like the the lead special effects dude on, Psycho Gorman. Oh, yeah. And that's where they started talking about this movie, this idea that he had. And, they took it from there, but they were working on psycho gore, man. And, Yeah. Which I never finish that movie, you know, check that out.
00:40:41:11 - 00:41:04:25
It's not like this one. No. And so in our third honorable mention, Johnny finds his firefighter mask. Yeah. Which apparently they had a lot of trouble with those with that mask in filming, because you can't see out of it, really. Like there's no peripheral vision. And him, like, walk into the woods. There was a, like, movie, but it's just terrific.
00:41:04:25 - 00:41:27:15
Oh, well, they were saying that like, some of the most dangerous things in the movie, in filming, it was him just walking through the woods because of, like, the uneven terrain and stuff. And he had this big helmet on that he couldn't see. And, sometimes because they were behind him, sometimes they would just have a mask with a hole cut out of the middle so that he could see, that's smart, because.
00:41:27:16 - 00:41:44:05
Yeah, yeah, you got to fake it. And yeah, you know, he said, like, he's like, he would be like, he's just like Johnny. And just like, he's just walks. And so there'd be, like, branches in his face and he would just like, close his eyes so that the branches would just, like, go over his face. So I keep going.
00:41:44:12 - 00:42:02:17
It looks really cool. Just. Are you okay? He's, like, getting smacked in the face. Oh, it's like, But yeah, when he goes to get his mask, I love that. Instead of just, like, breaking the glass and grabbing it, he picks up Aaron's body and just throws it into the glass case and just shatters. That was other. That was fun.
00:42:02:17 - 00:42:25:01
Very resourceful. Yeah. This is the this is the famous, you know, if we're going to keep pulling references from a Friday the 13th movie, this is the Jason Friday the 13th three 3D, where Jason finally gets his, famous hockey mask. Yeah, I would argue this is actually a much cooler way to give a character his iconic look.
00:42:25:04 - 00:42:54:03
Is it be the 13th? He just like finds he finds the hockey mask that Shelley, the prankster, brings with him on this trip to just wear as a prank. That's the freak is like, oh, I got a hockey mask. Yeah. Because, like, you know, at that point, like, if you go back to, like when Friday the 13th three came out and it wasn't like so iconic.
00:42:54:05 - 00:43:19:06
That was like just a hockey mask. It's like when was Shelley bring it. Yeah. This one much better. Yeah. But this brings us to our lake sequence which was very cool. What did you think about this. Did you enjoy this this sequence I loved it. Well I loved it because I'm trying to think of a way to like, say this without constantly going back to, like, a Friday the 13th reference.
00:43:19:12 - 00:43:48:21
I'll do it. I mean, that's this is, you know, clearly, huge inspiration on this movie. You get so many scenes in the Friday movies where, like, Jason just is randomly in the water or you, you, you're, you open the scene on a character going swimming, which they should never do in these scenarios. And of course, Jason's like already in the water in this case, because we're in Johnny's perspective, we have this slow, super slow burn, which is one of my favorite sequences where he's just like walking casually into the water.
00:43:48:21 - 00:44:31:20
And you see these, this was it. It's a two characters or there's one, it's two, and then the one, and then they leave. Okay? And she's just like, they're going into the water and it's completely off screen, and it feels so, like inconsequential. But because you know who Johnny is obviously in sets this different, there's a very different energy, but it somehow feels even more disturbing because you're kind of watching the inevitable take place without the benefit of, like a traditional suspenseful setup, like with the music and, you know, like the , you know, we, we we've reference that, that famous Alfred Hitchcock quote quite a bit on the show about
00:44:31:20 - 00:44:57:06
like, you know, show the audience the bomb under the table. Right? In this case, like the bomb is, has legs, like watching the box, like, set itself up, which is really fun. Yeah. I really enjoyed this sequence quite a bit. They do cut, which is fine. It's, you know, it's and it's purely subjective. They do cut to like a reverse angle to kind of show a closer.
00:44:57:09 - 00:45:14:13
It still works. It's very effective. But I don't know, it could have worked just as well if they had never even cut away from that wide shot from a distance. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Would you say a couple things I want to note there that you said, you know, like setting up with, like, a traditional suspense with, like, the music.
00:45:14:13 - 00:45:38:08
This this movie has no music. Until the credits. There's a song on the credits, but it's just nature. And to some, I think, Danny, I think you sent me, like, a letter box review of this when you first watched it. Where? Like, a lady was saying that, like, they cut too much in this movie. Like they needed to draw out the scenes even more.
00:45:38:14 - 00:46:06:04
Yeah. For, like, that slow burn kind of cinema. That is a style that a lot of people are into. And I agree with that. I think I would have liked that too. But also, I think these guys did a perfect job of blending because you have to know your audience, right? Totally. And so you've got your slasher horror movie audience, and then you've got like your arthouse cinema audience, and you can't lean one too far into the other.
00:46:06:07 - 00:46:24:23
So do I think some of these scenes could have been drawn out even longer and then cool, yes, I do, but also like, I think they had to kind of walk that thin line of, yeah, how far can we push it and still keep the attention of these other people who may not be into this kind of arthouse cinema?
00:46:24:26 - 00:46:43:09
Yeah, I'm not saying you have to. If you're a horror movie fan, you're not into art. But like, yeah, you know what I mean? Like, I there's two genres that they're mashing together and I think, you know, it's a fine line to what you want to make everyone happy with everyone. It's in that like context without selling out on your own idea.
00:46:43:11 - 00:47:04:26
Yeah. Which I don't know if you can sell. Yeah, because it's yours. But you know what I mean. Like, yeah. So I, I agree with you. I think they did a really good job of balancing that, which already was difficult because the approach they were taking was so untraditional. Right. So to still have it be scary, if not scarier in some cases.
00:47:04:26 - 00:47:26:24
And the way that they approach this very, kind of seasoned, tried and true kind of I, subgenre in horror to and make it feel original. Yeah. Is, is is worthy of a nice little pat on the back because they do a really good job. Yeah, I agree, I think they, I think they the balancing act was difficult but done very well.
00:47:26:26 - 00:47:55:17
Very decent. But speaking about this, this lake sequence in particular, this is one of those things I mentioned at the beginning that was changed over time, with the original shoot versus the reshoot. Gotcha. So originally for this scene, they wanted to follow Johnny into the water. And you follow him as he walks along the bottom of the lake until he sees legs above him, and then he grabs them and brings her down.
00:47:55:22 - 00:48:24:18
All right. That proved to be super hard to do, right? Yeah. So then after that, they were going to fly the camera over the lake as Johnny is walking. So he would be like essentially be like right underneath the camera. Gotcha. You would be like following him across. But after some like logistical stuff of like he said, the director said like even like a piece of equipment that they rented, like not showing up.
00:48:24:18 - 00:48:46:17
And so they needed, they couldn't do it. They ended up doing it this way, which is actually a series of visual effects shots as he goes into the water. And then they blend that with scenes of just the lake. Right. Yeah. And then because and then you can't tell because he can't be under the water for that long.
00:48:46:24 - 00:49:08:03
Yeah. Right. So they use visual effects shots and you can never tell the difference because it's so subtle. I think their, restraints kind of help them in this case. Yeah. But like the visual effects, it's not like it's different than CGI, because it's not like they, you know, like these were actual shots of the water that they just, like, superimpose over.
00:49:08:03 - 00:49:24:17
So that totally he can not water forever. There's nothing wrong with visual effects or. Yeah, totally generated imagery should, should add to it. The problem is, is sometimes in movies it kind of takes away from it, or it can be a little bit right. They use it as like they don't use it as a tool to help them.
00:49:24:17 - 00:49:50:06
They use it as like a tool to replace to, and that doesn't really work. So no, sir. But this is our third official reveal. Brody is the the girl who is swimming in the lake. She gets pulled under and she is essentially drowned, I guess. And then her body kind of floats up to the to the top, and Johnny walks out of the water to head to the cliff for much.
00:49:50:09 - 00:50:26:21
The Hacksaw Ridge scene. That's Hacksaw Ridge. The Mel Gibson makes a pretzel. Mel Gibson it takes a job at Auntie Anne's Gibson's Pretzels, Gibson's pretzels. We put that on like a t shirt, and it's like such an obscure reference that, like, nobody really get it. Gibson's pretzels. But yeah. What did. So, Danny, being someone like yourself who is not a the biggest fan of extreme gore, what did you think of this kill at the toe?
00:50:26:21 - 00:50:56:11
Where I seen gore is very much like, it depends on the context of it. So. Okay, I have watched and I have enjoyed in, you know, the like, hostel movies. But I, I wouldn't say I necessarily had fun with them because they're very, gloomy and they are kind of commenting on that, you know, like, the savage nature of man, but without any of, like, I don't know, there's a difference between, like, a hostile and a scream.
00:50:56:11 - 00:51:17:06
There's a tone difference. Oh, absolutely. There's a reason why I love the scream movie so much. Or the Friday the 13th movies. Because Jason has some pretty crazy kills. But I still watch it and I laugh. You know, it's like that, that classic 80s horror movie, esthetic and gore. It just, you know, it's fake. So it's fun and you kind of know what went into it.
00:51:17:08 - 00:51:43:09
It wasn't made to be hyper realistic. So it's easier to, to laugh at it. I guess. Sure. This one, to me fell in that same, like, kind of ballpark. So I actually had a lot of fun with it, you know, because it is so playful, despite it being really dark. And I was so committed to I was so in on this, this, I don't know, like, just like new way of doing a slasher that I was having so much fun.
00:51:43:09 - 00:52:06:14
I was so I felt so involved that when they got to this, you're waiting for it. You're, you know, especially coming off of such a simple death, great death, but simple. Yeah. The last one with Brody, I, I very much appreciated it. And also, I had a lot of fun because I watch this with my, with my family, my in-laws, and mostly with my sister in law.
00:52:06:17 - 00:52:19:23
And I was like, I don't know if they're going to like this, but we I'd kind of set them up for like what the movie was. So they I think they were like appreciating it because we were talking a lot to the movie. Like commenting on like, oh, that's fun. Oh, this is neat. Oh, I get what they're doing.
00:52:19:25 - 00:52:37:13
So when they got to this, there was I had like the movie theater experience where we were like, oh my God. Like talking through it and just like screaming. So I had a lot of fun. So that was my long form response to your answer. Is that, or my shorthand? I guess is, I had a lot of fun.
00:52:37:15 - 00:53:04:02
It was really okay. What you did you, Well, yeah, I, I loved it. I was so not expecting it. There's been I we've talked about this on this show before. And I think the last time we talked about this, I was actually talking about in a violent nature when I saw it in the theater. And I was telling you guys that, like, there's a handful of times I can remember being in the theater and my jaw dropping, and just like, having my my mouth was just, like, wide open.
00:53:04:05 - 00:53:24:19
And this was one of them, like, it happened, and I would just, like my jaw hit the floor. I was like, what the fuck did I just watch? Oh my God. It just keeps like escalating. Yeah, it's it's still going. Yeah. And it did win. This kill won best kill at the, this year's, Fangoria Chainsaw Awards.
00:53:24:21 - 00:53:50:04
Oh, I think that fully deserved that. Yeah. So we call it Hacksaw Ridge. Right. We're calling this we're calling this, this this location, Hacksaw Ridge. Yeah. It makes me so mad that she didn't just slide down that hill. Yeah. Or like, she looks way out of it, or she, like, looks at the. She starts at the edge and then she's like, oh, I can't go down there.
00:53:50:04 - 00:54:15:25
I'll die. Basically. Like she can't go any further. Like, it is like a sloped thing. It's not even straight down. And there's water at the bottom. I go, why did you not go down the hill? I know if only she knew what was waiting for her right when Gibson got her and pretzels, her Johnny Gibson? Yes. Pretzels. Pretzel maker.
00:54:15:27 - 00:54:36:10
But this scene, actually, this was pretty cool to learn this. This was shot over four days, so it was shot over four days, and it was shot over months. So they would like, shoot a day and then like a month would go by and they would shoot some more. They would go back to the location and shoot some more.
00:54:36:12 - 00:54:57:11
It involved four different bodies, including the actress or a stand in or even just like puppets of a and it's like a full and an actual dead who died, who just conveniently died that way that we had this corpse died the same way she dies in the movie. Here. Yeah. This is oh. That's convenient. She doesn't say.
00:54:57:11 - 00:55:22:05
Wait, let's say it was on budget. We had to do all these reshoots, and the last thing I thought was cool was that. That super great insert shot of her spine, like, popping out of the back of her neck. That was so gross. That was the very last shot of the whole movie that they shot. Oh, and they shot that scene, that insert shot in one of the producers backyards.
00:55:22:07 - 00:55:39:06
Oh, that's so funny. And it's just like, it's funny how, like, you don't notice it. It all just cuts together so seamlessly. A scene or a death. One death that was shot over so long of a time, it all just is seamless. I thought that was really cool. Yeah. It's cool. Yeah. Pretty iconic. I feel like that's what this movie is.
00:55:39:09 - 00:56:06:06
Aside from, like, you know, the POV element. Yeah, I feel like that's what this movie is known for. The yoga belly. Poor pretzel scene. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's just it's so inventive and it's just really cool. Yeah. So that was our number four official reveal. The yoga scene when, Aurora is her name meets Johnny at the cliff at Hacksaw Ridge.
00:56:06:09 - 00:56:27:25
So now, as we follow Johnny a little bit more, we get into our next honorable mention where he's headed back towards the cabin, and some of the characters are having an argument, and they throw the car keys and Johnny picks them up, sees a little toy car on the keychain and he sits down, takes off his mask, and plays with the car.
00:56:27:27 - 00:56:49:18
And, in this honorable mention, because we've already met Johnny essentially, but now we're seeing his face for the first time. We're also seeing how, surprisingly innocent he is. Yes, that was great. That was one thing that was great at the beginning, during the campfire where he says, you know, he's telling the story, and he says, Johnny was slow.
00:56:49:18 - 00:57:06:20
And the one kid says, like, what do you mean slow? And he's like, trying to get him to say, the R-word. And I really loved that. They didn't like that. He's just like, fuck you. I'm not saying that you're an asshole. Let's move on. That that was cool. I was like, oh, yeah, good for you for that.
00:57:06:21 - 00:57:26:24
Because there of, there's a there's a history in, slasher movies where there's a little bit of insensitivity. Yeah, especially in some of the older ones. Maybe nowadays people are a little bit more aware, a little more sensitive to other people, you know? Right. You can kill people, guys in very inventive ways, but let's, let's call it on, like, let's not be assholes.
00:57:26:27 - 00:57:50:10
Yeah, but he eventually he ends up smashing the toy car, and he's like, I'm going to go kill some people. So he heads back towards the cabin, puts, a stick in the car so it lays on the horn, and then he walks around the building to. It's very smart. Like he's just very like he has like a plan, you know, and just, like, busts in the front door, he's like, I'm gonna fuck with these guys.
00:57:50:12 - 00:58:06:13
But here's our fifth official reveal. As he walks around the house, Evan sees Johnny out the window. And it's a really quick shot because it's, you know, we're following Johnny around the house and on the side of the frame, you see him pass the window, and Evan's looking out, being like, what the fuck? Who is this guy?
00:58:06:16 - 00:58:37:16
But, yeah. So this is actually a series of official reveals because we got number five right there. Number six. He goes right up to Troy and tries to attack him with the ax, but Troy turns around, fights back, and Johnny actually gets him in the leg. Meanwhile, Evan comes out, shoots at him, and they have a chance to, to get away, but not for long because Johnny gets up and throws the ax, kills Evan, and then smashes Troy's head in with, as a rock.
00:58:37:23 - 00:59:08:00
I love it, and that was really cool because that was seamless again. Yeah. Where, you know, you're watching this actor playing Troy crawl away, but then Johnny picks up this rock and it's almost like, how did they cut that together? Yep. You know what I mean? It's because it's seamless. I think that's the best use of, of effects, a digital effects like this where it is seamless in a movie that already, you know, is quote unquote low budget or on the lower, yeah, budget side of things, because it's that, like you said, it's that much more impressive.
00:59:08:00 - 00:59:25:09
If you see it in something like this, it stands out, but in a way that is not like the effects are noticeable. It's just that you wonder how the fuck they pulled it off. Yeah, yeah. Which we'll see again here with the, with the log splitter scene. That's it's another thing where it's like, how did they do that?
00:59:25:09 - 00:59:48:24
So good. But after he kills Troy, almost immediately, we fall into our seventh official reveal. Yeah. Where Chris and Colt come back on the four Wheeler, and there's some some argument about, like, who's what's going on? And then, they actually meet Johnny, who's right there. He, like, throws the ax at Chris and cuts like, watch out.
00:59:48:24 - 01:00:09:03
And she like, moves at the last second. And that was pretty cool. But then they get on the four Wheeler and drive away. And we do find out some very important information. Here is the fact that Chris has Johnny's locket. So now this thing that Johnny's been after this whole time, this symbol. But also it's it's a locket but it also locked him into his grave.
01:00:09:05 - 01:00:30:10
Oh. And he's on the hunt for it, and Chris has it. So now he is on the hunt for Chris to get the. Yep. And they go find the, the park ranger, and Johnny follows them, and, Oh, I'm so mad at Colt for just, like, okay, well, I'm getting ahead of myself, but we get to the scene.
01:00:30:12 - 01:00:54:18
They're talking to the ranger about Johnny, and he's like, why did you take the locket? Like you fuckers woke him up like you weren't supposed to do that. And Johnny comes in and then in our. This is our last reveal on the list. But it's an honorable mention. The ranger sees Johnny, and it's not an official reveal because Johnny has already met the Ranger ten years prior.
01:00:54:20 - 01:01:20:07
It's a twist because the Ranger was the one who put him in the ground. Yeah. And so the ranger is being so smart. He's dealt with Johnny before he shoots him. He says he's not dead. He's just slowed down. Wrap those chains around him. Colt's like, I can't do it. Like, why? Fuck you, Colt. And, he says, I'm going to pass this gun to you in three seconds, and we're going to switch.
01:01:20:12 - 01:01:46:10
Why would you not back up? Why would you not back up? And you're right there. Well, we kind of talked about this in hush, which we kind of walked back on I. All right. At least I walked back on after I mentioned it because it's like there are those horror movie, cliches, I guess, where it's like, okay, take the gun away, take the weapon away from the thing.
01:01:46:10 - 01:02:05:13
Don't stand there. It. But the point is, a lot of these characters aren't savvy, you know, like they're not in the horror movies. So, yeah, but then we are living in, like, a post screen world where characters have seen the movies, so you can't help but like, meta, perspective on it. Yeah. So yeah, I ignore what I just said.
01:02:05:13 - 01:02:24:11
You fucking idiot. But oh no, I totally get it. Like, I, I absolutely get it. Because we're the ones watching it and, but yeah, you're right. It's just like common sense. Like, especially for him to, like, I don't know. Oh, wait. Because he was. Because he knows that he's not dead. He knows he's going to wake up.
01:02:24:16 - 01:02:56:12
Yeah. Why would you, I don't know. Yeah. He has this whole plan. He, like, knows exactly how to dispose of. Johnny said something like, you have to bury him at the fire tower and, like. So the mythos is kind of expanding a little bit. It's like. It's like, frustrating. Yeah. So, yeah. So he passes the gun to Colt, but Johnny wakes up, grabs the gun, there's a struggle between him and the Ranger, and he ends up like, I want to see, like, break the ranger or something.
01:02:56:12 - 01:03:20:07
Yeah. So he's, like, incapacitated alive. Yeah, but he can't move. Yeah, they still conceal and. Oh, my God. And he puts his body in a log splitter. I okay, I'll say that when I saw this in the theater, I was a little disappointed because I'm thinking log splitter splits. This put him in a half. He will put him on the thing and rent right down his.
01:03:20:10 - 01:03:42:12
Yeah, right. For his fucking taint. And just right down the middle. Yeah. Didn't happen, but that's okay. I mean, it was still cool. He he he cuts his arm off first, and then he goes and cuts his head off. But if you are listening to this, and I don't want to spoil anything, but I'm about to. If you haven't seen the movie freaky, there is a very satisfying kill.
01:03:42:12 - 01:04:03:12
And I'll just tell you right now it's this, but with a different tool, similar tool, and someone may or may not. Maybe they get two and a half, maybe they don't. It's very satisfying. I remember that that was a good scene. So that's it. We've met, we've had all of our monster reveals that we've had all of our monster reveals yet.
01:04:03:12 - 01:04:25:21
So Johnny and, Chris and Colt take off. They have this, like, elaborate plan to, like, lead him back to the, fire tower and set him on fire and do all this stuff, and they've got the gasoline, and, But Colt is just like a fucking moron, and, he, like, comes up right behind Johnny and yells something at him.
01:04:25:21 - 01:04:58:21
And Johnny does, like, kill me without blinking, and I just, like, fucking smashes his head in with the ax and then goes to town and just keeps, smashing, smashing, smashing, smashing. And in that moment, instead of doing something crazy, Chris just, like, sets down the gasoline, puts the locket over the top of the can and just runs away, which is like that perfect subversion to you're kind of like everything you're expecting based off of, like, what you've anticipated.
01:04:58:24 - 01:05:19:20
Based on other slashers. Everything is kind of like reversed for the most part. Like literally the perspectives reversed and then, like, how people carry out their plans are reversed. And even at the end, when she's talking with the that woman who rescues her, it's like it's kind of like a will. They won't they? Or is she isn't she kind of seen where it's like, wait, is this what's going on?
01:05:19:20 - 01:05:40:03
But then you find out that, like, we've been kind of wired in programed to kind of expect certain things to play out, but doesn't, which almost in a way makes it even scarier, because you're like, wow, this movie's really not playing by the rules of the genre, so it could be anything. Yeah. Which I thought was really effective.
01:05:40:06 - 01:06:04:23
Oh, totally. Yeah. Because we switch that perspective and she gets rescued by this lady in a truck who is actually. You'll know this better than I do. Mel Gibson is actually Mel Gibson. That's. No, that's Annie, Annie or whatever. It's whatever the pretzel maker is. Anton. And it's. That's her. No. You know who it is? Danny.
01:06:04:25 - 01:06:31:28
The actress is Lauren Marie Taylor. Do you know who she played? They don't. She played the character of Vicky in Friday the 13th, part two. Stop. No, I'm not going to stop. Stop. Okay, okay, fine. It's Auntie Anne. Okay. It's Mel Gibson in drag playing Anton. Wait. Really? Yeah. How did I not know her name is Vicky?
01:06:31:28 - 01:06:52:02
Vicky is one of my favorites. She's such a sweet character in Friday the 13th part two. Yeah, that's. That's who the lady is that, picks up in the, the jeep or the truck or whatever it is. That is so frickin cool. Yeah. Isn't that a fun little Easter egg? A little Lara cameo or, what you call it.
01:06:52:05 - 01:07:12:27
What's an what would be the horror equivalent of an Easter egg for like a, Halloween? It's a jack and egg, IRA. Oh, a rotten egg. Yeah. Yeah, it's a, it's a good little rotten egg. Yeah. There you go. Right. And so but yeah, that whole scene, she's like, talking about, like, animals and like her, her husband, who was attacked by a bear.
01:07:12:27 - 01:07:33:17
And then he got out alive. And they're like animals. Just sometimes just like. Well, she says, she says animals don't get too hung up on a reason. And it's kind of just like Johnny's out there. Just so my opinion on this was that Johnny is the one who attacked her husband, and that we're supposed to believe it's like it.
01:07:33:19 - 01:07:59:16
It leaves it up to debate. Like, was he attacked by an animal or was he attacked by Johnny? And because he never talk about meat, your monster. Because he never actually saw it. Oh, maybe he was actually attacked by Johnny. Oh, that was my read on it. Okay, I didn't see. I just took it. I said like they were just comparing like an animal attack to Johnny being animalistic and but okay, I was, but I think you could read it as both because I think that's why the driver was significant.
01:07:59:16 - 01:08:25:03
Because she is kind of watching this girl being like, oh shit, Johnny's back, you know, like, oh, and okay. Yeah, I may be wrong. I just that was well, no, that's a good that's a good take on it. Yeah, yeah. Because the whole time, like you're we've been following Johnny now we switched to this this survivor that we're following.
01:08:25:03 - 01:08:45:18
And so the whole time you're just expecting Johnny to come out somewhere. I thought she was going to be, like, in on it or like. And now you're dead and she's going to kill her and be like Kira. Johnny. Oh, that would have been crazy. Or like, the whole, like, you know, like you're local or you're outsiders trespassing on our land, like, yeah, you fucked up our legend.
01:08:45:18 - 01:09:05:11
You know, he was safe. So now we're going to, like, use you as bait so that we could get Johnny back into the ground. That's right. Like my brain was going, okay, I was yeah, yeah, but, but that's a good read on it, though, for sure. Yeah. Because then you have to go back and you don't see Johnny anymore.
01:09:05:11 - 01:09:26:03
We all, we get it again. Very like felt reminiscent of the original Halloween is you end on just like a bunch of, like static shots on the woods and you see like, all these maybe like scenes, areas that we've seen before and then it ends and then it's like, where the fuck is Johnny? And that's. Yeah, the point.
01:09:26:03 - 01:09:46:01
It's it is very, It's funny. Yeah. This movie is like a Friday the 13th homage, but really it's kind of a Halloween homage. Sure. From like the POV and everything. I like the and he's got the locket now because the, the locket is off of the gas cans, so what's he doing? He's just out there now. Yeah, he's just.
01:09:46:04 - 01:10:03:23
He didn't he didn't put himself back in the ground. Oh, you know, he's just I mean, the movie, for all we know, the sequel could pick up right where this one ends. And what kind of fun? Oh, man. I'm interested to see what they do have to do with that. But that's it. That's in a violent nature.
01:10:03:26 - 01:10:24:18
That's the whole thing. Real good. Like we said previously, it's very divisive. Like, some people loved this movie. Some people hated it. I don't think there is a, like, in the middle, like it was okay. I think it was like, oh, it was great. Or oh, I didn't like it. And we're clearly in the we thought we hated it.
01:10:24:20 - 01:10:43:07
We thought we hated it. We thought we thought we hated it. But it's actually we love it. Yeah. No, we loved it. Now it is time to discuss and pick our favorite reveals in, in this movie.
01:10:43:09 - 01:10:58:18
Oh, on there, I don't see anyone. That's how they can just. They're on the goddamn foreign.
01:10:58:20 - 01:11:22:17
Okay. Speed round recap. Now, do you want me to include on this on this round here? Do you want me to include honorable mentions, or do you just want to go official reveals? Let's just go for 0000. Okay. It's just an official. Official. All right, speedrun recap. Here we go. Number one, he's coming out of his cage, and he's doing just fine.
01:11:22:19 - 01:11:44:26
Number two. Number one. Wait, is that a reference to the killings? Yeah. Number two is number one, motherfucker. Number three. And you will be saddened to know that I don't have fun titles for all of them. Number three is Brody in the Lake. Number four is the yoga scene. Number five. Evan sees Johnny at the window.
01:11:44:29 - 01:12:11:18
Number six, Johnny attacks Troy, and number seven, Chris and Colt on the four Wheeler meet Johnny. What is your favorite reveal in in about nature. So a few years ago, a movie came out. It was kind of a surprise awards favorite. Not to say it was bad, but there was some, contention in regard to, you know, someone involved with the movie.
01:12:11:21 - 01:12:37:05
So it wasn't a favorite generally among most people. But in this context, it was my favorite. And it's the Hacksaw Ridge scene. And that's all deep. All the stupid talking about Hacksaw Ridge. Please tell me. Tell me about it. So, yeah. Why am I what is it? The, pop up yoga head belly pool pretzel, Mel Gibson, hacksaw Ridge scene.
01:12:37:08 - 01:12:56:27
That was my favorite. I mean, it's kind of hard to beat. I mean, it's, I got I could go back and, like, the lake scene was just so cool, or like. Yeah, there aren't any bad introductions to Johnny in this. I mean, even, like, just like the, you know, him coming out of his grave is so cool and, like.
01:12:56:27 - 01:13:21:03
Yeah, the way it's shot, the way it's not the classic. It's shot like it's a nature documentary compared to, like, you know, the aggressive, you know, hand shooting out of the grave and. Right. Classic imagery. It's done very, yeah. It's it's it's in itself the way it's shot is subversive, which is really cool. But I'm still going to stick with, a fan favorite.
01:13:21:05 - 01:13:42:24
And I'm not just talking about pretzels. By the way, she dies and looks like a pretzel. Yeah. How about you? Yeah. Yeah. It's tough to beat that yoga scene. I would have to say that's my go to as well, but that the lake scene is a close, very close second. Yeah. It's such a simple kill, but it's just.
01:13:42:26 - 01:14:05:14
Well, it's two very different flavors. The the pretzel scene is so in your face and aggressive, whereas the lake scene literally does everything it can to pull back from the carnage, even it is doesn't have any real, like, visceral carnage. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But both are just as effective, which is a testament to the movie. Yeah. Where are you going to go with?
01:14:05:16 - 01:14:21:16
I'm going with the yoga, hex, pretzel Mel Gibson scene. Yeah. No. Gibson. Yeah, that's got to be it. Okay. Okay. So now it is time for a segment that we like to call the real monster.
01:14:21:18 - 01:14:49:20
Run, run, run as fast as you can. Catch me. I'm the gingerbread man. You're a monster. I'm not the monster. Here you are. You and the rest of that fairy tale trash poisoning my perfect world. Now tell me, where are the others? Eat me. You're okay. So, Danny, who is your real monster for? You know, out in nature, people who pick up hitchhikers, you know?
01:14:49:20 - 01:15:16:27
Interesting. Okay, there is no, it. No. People who don't pick up hitchhikers in horror movies specifically, because in those cases, the it's usually someone like, it's always that iconic scene of them, like screaming for help. And there's always that one car. There's like, where you hear, like, swerves out of the way. Yeah, like so aggressively. Not going to help this person is like covered in filth.
01:15:17:00 - 01:15:45:12
But, yeah. That. Yeah. Help them out. At least slow down and be like, are you okay? Yeah. Okay. Okay. How about you? I've got three. Okay. I've got, cult for being a little bitch. I hate that he, like you, hate bitches. I hate bitches, and I hate that specifically that. Guys, if you're new to this show, Zach, a if you're a bitch, he doesn't like you.
01:15:45:14 - 01:16:13:15
Generally, like most people, except if you're a little bit. She generally likes bitches. But lately is his, Yeah, yeah, it's a much, I've got the, number one motherfuckers house. Oh, yeah. Just like being gross and, like, it's just nasty. But I think my number one real monster is number one motherfucker himself.
01:16:13:17 - 01:16:37:27
As well as Johnny is walking up to the house and the park ranger is honking his horn to get the dude's attention, dude comes out of his house and says, quote, you got no patience for a man trying to pinch off a piece. Oh, and I like, I like gagged when he said that. Like, that is so fucking gross.
01:16:37:29 - 01:17:09:03
I hate that terminology. Like pinching a loaf. Oh my God. Zach's a real monster this episode. I can't believe I even said it. That's so nasty. Oh, you. So, So this doc is not. It is usually always a real monster. And the how May or monster podcast. Yeah, yeah. Or this is, So that's my real monster.
01:17:09:05 - 01:17:37:25
Real monsters for, in a violent nature. Those are good is a truly despicable. All right, now, it's our last segment of the show titled Would You Survive Johnny in a million nature. And here we go. Dude, no, no. We had talked earlier about whether you'd like to just get killed if you were in a slasher movie, would you like to just get killed without seeing?
01:17:37:25 - 01:17:56:01
Or would you like to, see your killer? So maybe you have a chance to get away? I know I would. I would lose, okay? I would lose for sure. I feel like my response is a little bit of a cheat. I say, okay, I would circle oh, okay. Because to quote The Cabin in the woods, the film.
01:17:56:03 - 01:18:24:00
Oh good one. Do not read the fucking Latin. Friends don't let friends steal supernatural totems. So I like to believe that the company in which I like to keep would hear this backstory here. The the Johnny Law, would see the totem, which is the locket, and would simply walk away and, and kumbaya, our way through our little, of woodsy soiree.
01:18:24:02 - 01:18:47:29
Yeah. We would survive. Yeah. That's good. Like they just. Yep. Don't touch it, Troy. He's just like a he's a fucking tool. Yeah. This movie is also subtitled The Fall of Troy. What does he say in, in a violent, in a violent nature? What does he say in Walk the Line? The guy who's supposed to be playing Jerry Lee Lewis says, he's like, you about to walk that line.
01:18:47:29 - 01:19:13:28
God. He said, God gave us the great big, the great great, the great Big Apple that's New York City gave us. God gave us New York City. God gave us the great Big Apple, see? And he said, don't touch it. Don't think about touching it. Don't think about touching it. Don't think about singing about touching it. Which now is funny because the whole idea of what that apple is, was to represent, you know, is human nature in a nutshell.
01:19:13:28 - 01:19:37:29
So maybe it is inevitable for the apple to be taken. Maybe it's inevitable for Johnny to seek revenge. You know, the fact that he can die and we have no explanation for why. Maybe Johnny is just that, you know, that unstoppable force of nature that is the, you know, violent nature that all of us have to deal with in some way or another at some point in our lives.
01:19:38:02 - 01:19:58:10
So, yeah, maybe this movie is just, you know, a read on what it means to be human in the inevitability of violence in nature. Damn, Danny. Damn! Daniel. Damn, Daniel. That was good. That was real, Joe. Very insightful. How about that? Apples?
01:19:58:13 - 01:20:17:27
Nice. Okay. That's it. That is our. That is in a violent nature. And that is our messed up triple feature. Dan, can I finally take my mask off? I've been recording all these episodes with a heavy, rusted, fire mask from this movie. Yeah. Take it off. Just. Thank you. Hang it up. Put it in a glass case.
01:20:18:00 - 01:20:44:25
Oh, I barely breathe. I that's that's that's called voice acting. Guys, you probably thought I was really wearing a mask. I was it I was a fit. It's a very good one. This whole time. So. Yeah. So we, we covered Phantom of the Paradise. We started it off with Phantom of the Paradise. We went into Mike Flanagan's Hush and, took a little break for our ranking episode, our Halloween special.
01:20:44:28 - 01:21:06:18
And, we wrapped it up here within a violent nature. So. Yeah. Now, normally, all three of us, Casey included, would announce our next features films, for this next triple feature. But since Casey isn't here, we're going to say her piece for her. Our next triple feature coming up, given the holiday season is season's creep bangs.
01:21:06:20 - 01:21:43:02
Oh, we've got three holiday movies to cover the, holiday season, because in the horror world, we don't. We creep. Yeah. So we're starting it off with, Casey's pick for Thanksgiving is essentially Thanksgiving. But what's the pick? Thanksgiving? I know, but, like, for the Thanksgiving pick, what's the title of the movie? Thanksgiving? Zach, if you could just tell me the title instead of repeating what the holiday is that she's celebrating Eli Roth's Thanksgiving, I happen to know that Eli Roth does not celebrate Thanksgiving.
01:21:43:02 - 01:22:09:15
So I don't know what you're trying to do with me, but you're messing with my head, and I don't appreciate it. Well, you're just going to have to be messed with then, because I don't know how else to say it other than the 2023, 2023. Slasher holiday slasher film Thanksgiving. Well, I like to be messed with, so, I appreciate that.
01:22:09:18 - 01:22:37:15
Danny, what movie are we covering for? Christmas. For Christmas, we're going to do a holiday classic, as we always do. It's a it's a go to classic for this, season. We it's going to be. It's one that you would absolutely think of when you think of a Christmas. It's the first thing you put on when you think of Santa Claus and you think of elves, and you think of presents under the tree and snow, and it's, Gammel del Toro's Cronos now before you.
01:22:37:15 - 01:23:01:24
Oh, I wo I can hear pitchforks clinking. It's not a Christmas movie. Traditionally, I understand that. However, it is a horror film and it is set in and around Christmas. There are some Christmas elements to it, and for that reason I took it upon. I took the liberty of saying, I believe that this will work in our little seasons.
01:23:01:24 - 01:23:20:25
Groupings will feature. So I decided to go with it. Okay. Yeah, I like it. I have never finished it. It's one of those movies where I've seen, like, pieces of it, and I think I saw like the first quarter or maybe the first half of it, but I never finished it, so I'm intrigued. I saw the George Washington of it.
01:23:20:25 - 01:23:40:06
Yeah. What? It's like one quarter. Oh is it oh my God, he's on the quarter. George Washington's on the quarter. Well then you're in all fairness, that was the one of the stupidest things I've ever said. So I've, I once I you once you explained it to me I liked it. That's how you know a joke works.
01:23:40:08 - 01:24:09:12
That's right. We're going to explain it. We're going to wrap up our holiday season's creeping triple feature with a very fun New Year's movie, End of Days, saying Arnold Schwarzenegger and Gabriel Byrne. Don't you mean end of year? No end of days? I remember when that movie came out. It was 1999, obviously. And me and my mom went to see it in the movie theater, and we came out.
01:24:09:12 - 01:24:29:00
It was like a very late showing. We came out, it was like midnight, it was raining, and we had a flat tire in the parking lot. Can you believe that? Did you were you are you two superstitious enough to think that the movie had some effect on where you guys, how you guys were stranded in your car with the flat tire?
01:24:29:03 - 01:24:46:02
Oh, I it probably it probably was the movie. You're like Gabriel Byrne's coming for us. I can feel the burn. But I'm excited to talk about End of Days because I haven't seen it in years. And I remember really enjoying that movie. And I've been on a let's not sure I was gonna say it was on an Arnold Schwarzenegger kick lately.
01:24:46:09 - 01:25:05:00
And by that I mean I watched one Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. I watched Commando recently. Oh yeah, really fun. Haven't seen it since I was a child, and it's very fun. What does he say? He said, like you said, you weren't going to drop me or something. He said, I lied. I don't. It is such a fun movie. I really yeah, it is.
01:25:05:03 - 01:25:28:16
He is Jason Voorhees. Speaking of Jason at Johnny, he. Yeah, murders. He scalps someone like, straight up saws their head off, cut someone's arm off. It is carnage in a way that my memory did not retain. Sure. Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah, guys. Yeah. We don't. We have we don't really do recommendations anymore, but, commando, like, gone.
01:25:28:16 - 01:25:45:29
Yeah, yeah, I remember Commando watching that as a kid and, Yeah. You don't remember, how brutal it is until you watch it again as an adult, I didn't understand the title, but then you realize he does the whole movie with that underwear on, and I was like, oh, I get it. That's a good don't make sense now.
01:25:46:00 - 01:26:21:19
Yeah, that's the sequels called Commando two free and. For there's like I don't know he's something there's a, there's a clever connection to balls that isn't. Yeah. You get it. But what are you talking about? I know his balls. Yeah. And, And Mel Gibson Roland pretzels in drag. So. Yeah. That's it. Thank you for joining us on this, trip through the northern Ontario wilderness.
01:26:21:21 - 01:26:39:06
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01:26:39:06 - 01:27:09:21
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01:27:09:23 - 01:27:32:08
Pretzel old corpse. That's right, a pretzel corpse. It's just, I don't know. That's stupid. So there will be more information on that rolling out over the next couple of weeks. And so, make sure to follow us so you don't miss a thing there. Danny, where can I listeners find you on social media? Well, as always, you can find me on, various socials like Instagram and whatnot.
01:27:32:11 - 01:27:53:20
My name Danny Salem. That's Danny. Danny. Salam. Sally. Me two ends like the candy melt in your butt, not in your hands. Wonderful. And you can find me on social media at when sick. Oh, we should point out if this is your first time listening. It's not usually just me and Zack. It is Zack. Danny. And it is Casey, our third guest.
01:27:53:20 - 01:28:12:10
And not only will she be back, for our next episode and the start of our season creep ings triple feature, we will also have a wonderful guest. So, make sure you, you know, stay tuned just for that alone. Just to not have, an over, you know, you're you're like, wow, this is too much of Zack and Danny.
01:28:12:12 - 01:28:36:23
Well, there will be a bunch of water down with some goodness. So we're going to dilute this, dual this duo, we're going to dilute this duo with some with a crew. So for you right. These are words. That's how you say things. Yes. The other words, they they may not be used all the time, but they are once, rarely used.
01:28:36:23 - 01:29:36:09
But when used, they really land, as as it just as they just. Yeah. As you can tell that this is just like a, like a nice little sturdy landing. All right. Well, thank you all for listening. Now, go meet some monsters.