Wrapping up our WRITER’S SHOCK triple feature, we’re taking a weekend getaway into madness, monsters, and the unhinged nature of creative chaos that gave us Frankenstein, Dracula, and more in Ken Russell’s GOTHIC, starring Gabriel Byrne, Natasha Richardson, Julian Sands, Timothy Spall, and Myriam Cyr.
Wrapping up our WRITER’S SHOCK triple feature, we’re taking a weekend getaway into madness, monsters, and the unhinged nature of creative chaos that gave us Frankenstein, Dracula, and more in Ken Russell’s GOTHIC, starring Gabriel Byrne, Natasha Richardson, Julian Sands, Timothy Spall, and Myriam Cyr.
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Today we wrap up our Writer's Shock triple feature with Ken Russell's 1986 weekend getaway into madness. Monsters and the unhinged nature of creative chaos. The stage is set. The past is literally coming back to haunt us in. Modern horror will never be the same. As we meet the monstrous manifestations of loss, lust in our deepest, darkest and in some cases, most valid fears in.
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Gothic. You're listening to how I Met Your Monster. A podcast that explores the introductions to your favorite movie monsters. My name is Zack. I'm Danny, and I'm Casey. And together, we dive into the world of horror to find out how filmmakers have introduced us to our favorite monsters time and time again. This is how I Met Your Mother.
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Once you open it, we met him. 15 years ago. I was told there's nothing left for you. Explorers in the regions experienced demons to solve ages to others. Here we go, Jack.
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Oh! Surprisingly. Come on, big Dragon.
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Big old knight penis. Big old knight. Big night. Dick. That's a that's a that's another word for, nocturnal emissions or, what? Night, Dick. Well, they mentioned something about his dreams are always wet in this movie. Oh, there's a lot of. What? There's a lot of, what I thought. We'll get into it. There's a lot of.
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In this movie. What I thought were supposed to be. Maybe, What is, what's the freight? What's the word I'm looking for? ectoplasm. Like, like like ghostly like like the slime stuff that they like, keep put the fingers in and then. And I guess maybe that's it's obviously also supposed, like, a lot like, ghost come.
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So, by the way, listeners, before we even jump into this movie, we just wanted to make sure that we emphasized that there is quite a lot of, ghost come in this movie. There's some I've never seen so much ghost come. This. There's too much. I hate it, and I hope I never see it again. The last time I saw this much ghost come was in Ghostbusters.
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When she. When the ghost came over the Dewey decibels system.
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yeah. That's a lot. That's that's a lot of thick ghost cover. That's just awful. Egon, your mucus.
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Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Gothic. All right, so welcome to how I Met Your Monster, the show where we discuss the introductions to your favorite movie, monsters. Today, we are wrapping up our writers Shock triple feature with a not so straightforward telling of Mary Shelley's experience writing Frankenstein. But we're not talking about Frankenstein. We're talking about Gothic, directed by Ken Russell, who is becoming a favorite on this podcast.
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Yeah, this is our second Ken Russell movie. Indeed, in the past few months. Yeah. Layer of the White Worm we did previously. which is crazy. And there's lots of penises in that, and there's lots of penises in this lot of phallic symbols. A lot of worms as the White Worm title suggests, this is something that carries over into Gothic.
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No, I'm not, we just. We talked about this recently. How I haven't really. I'm not as well versed in the filmography of Mr. Ken Russell, but, I wish I want to be. I regret not being one, you know, not having, seen more of his movies sooner. And I'm wondering now if this is kind of like a a running theme or a running, running symbolism, I guess.
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A it's movies. Yeah. Here's the question. Is, or was, rest in peace, Ken Russell. This is going to sound very insensitive, but did he was Ken Russell a penis? I mean, you with his profile picture, it looks like an angry penis. I'm like, I need to see. Oh, he does look like an angry penis. Let's see, he did okay.
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A scowling dick. Tales of erotica. Yeah, I'm looking at his filmography right now. he did layer the white worm gothic penis monster dicks with an exclamation mark.
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Change of the dicks with also at the exclamation mark. yeah. I mean, his movies, some of his later movies and things seem to be very sexual in their titles. Hey, I get it, I get it can. We're a horny species, and you're just, you know, you're unpacking the reality of all these horn balls. Yeah, he did do Altered States, which was really good.
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And not, if I remember right, not very sexual. okay. And then he directed. We've talked about this before, but he directed Tommy. Yes. The musical Tommy. I can't remember. I my first maybe not. I was really into musical theater as a kid. Okay, so I remember watching, like, a movie. Or maybe it was. It could have been this, though.
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I watched something, or maybe I saw it on stage. Or maybe, honestly, maybe I just was like, I heard it from one of my, like, theater camp counselors or something. By that sounds like something straight out of Wet Hot American Summer. Totally. My theater camp counselor. Yes, it's Amy Poehler, and, Bradley Cooper. back to Ken Russell.
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One movie that I hear a lot about from Ken Russell is called The Devil's from 1970 here. Never seen it. Heard. It's probably his scariest movie. Well, the synopsis on IMDb says, and there's names in here that I'm going to butcher, but it says, in 17th century France, Father Urbain Grand, you know, you pronounce that wrong. It's 18th century Italy.
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No worries. I know you said you were going to butcher it, so it's all good. in 17th, in 17th century France, Father Urbain, grandiose protection of the city of London from the corrupt Cardinal Richelieu is undermined, is undermined by a sexually repressed nuns accusation of witchcraft, religion and sex. Yeah, he can wrestle. Yeah. Cayenne. Yeah, r u s l that spells witchcraft and sex.
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Religion and faith. That's the stand. Yeah, it's funny, Ken Russell's he has such specific views that he likes to put into his. Again. I've seen two of his movies. Sure. but just based on, like, kind of like our little research in you explaining that plot. from what I've gathered, he thinks Ken Russell thinks rich people are crazy.
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Religious religion itself is crazy. but specifically in this movie, and I think it's fitting that the creative process is just as crazy. Right? Which I think is what makes this movie so interesting because he's kind of he's kind of treating the creative process the same way that he treats these other kind of, these other things like sex and religion.
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and I think it makes sense because, like, it makes sense specifically for Russell to have told this story in particular. You know, obviously, I know we'll get into like, the history, everything. But this is obviously the not the retelling. It's a it's a very fantastical fictional retelling of the, the, the weekend that inspired Mary Shelley to write Frankenstein.
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And it just so happens that Frankenstein, the novel was the kind of like the beginning of a lot of people say is the first true like science fiction novel. And it's the beginning of modern horror. So the themes that are kind of involved in that deal with, you know, you have that balance of in the movies literally called gothic.
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But Frankenstein is science fiction and science fiction, and Frankenstein is kind of gothic, but it also has its foot into the future, too. so it makes sense that Ken Russell would want to explore this, like really bizarre kind of New Age territory at the time. yeah. And then kind of dive into how insane the creative process can feel to a writer in a way that with like a level of insanity that is just as similar to how it might be for an insanely rich person or an insanely religious like a zealot.
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and he kind of treats them all on the same level, which makes this movie so interesting, but also so disorienting. Yeah, it's very disorienting. And even in the way he shoots it, too, because this was two years before layer of The White Worm. So I don't know what his movies looked like before that, but they have a very similar feel in terms.
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You better believe he's going to pull out that fisheye lens. That's right. That's the first shot. I literally was like, Zach is gonna. Yeah, I just throw fisheye lens. Yeah. Because that was one of the things that I loved about layer of the White Worm. And then when he shot like almost this whole movie in with, with a wide angle lens, I was like, oh, this is cool.
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Well, that's what I love about his movies is he's clearly having a lot of fun. and he's willing to talk about things that are maybe taboo or, you know, not, you know, traditional dinner table talk, you know, that kind of conversation that some people maybe are a little hesitant to have. And he not only has that conversation, but he kind of throws everything into the pot altogether and then also kind of winks at it a little bit, too.
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Like, we don't have to be so serious just because we're talking about serious things. But I am going to highlight how scary it can feel. so it's you're sort of getting everything, but as crazy as these, this movie and then the, you know, layer of the white realm are, they also feel really deliberate, like I don't think it's by I think it's by design.
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It's not by mistake that the movies look and feel the way they do have that tone and kind of are such a sensory overload experience. I think you, you know, you want to force you want to get people to talk about things or one of the best way to kind of force someone into that headspace is to kind of trip them up a little bit, and then you're kind of in, then you can't forget it.
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And then it's like, what did I just watch? So then you kind of have to step back and kind of question it and talk about it. Yeah. Because you can't get it out of your head. Exactly. Okay. So I really want to get talking about this movie. But I think it's important before we do we're taking another detour or taking another detour.
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But this is a good one because this is about the monsters in the movie, because they're not traditional monsters. They're kind of like these manifestations of like, what each person is kind of scared of, or like what happened in their past. And it kind of is like coming back to haunt them. so I want to talk about the monsters themselves before we jump into the events of the movie.
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okay. So do you want to talk a little bit about what these kind of fear monster manifestations are? The you said it. The monsters in this movie are more like a manifestation of the character's emotions. and this movie is about the creative process. You know, they're coming up with these stories, and the creative process forces you to, you know, like, literally, I don't mean in the movie, but like the actual creative process forces you to confront your inner demons, your deepest desires, your biggest fears.
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So this movie, Gothic is a story about the kind of like unstable nature of self-exploration and the monsters in this movie are what these characters are too afraid, or in some cases even too ashamed to reveal about themselves. So, you know, we talked about how this is a crazy movie. What? We're supposed to be disoriented, we're supposed to be unnerved.
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Stories that will change modern horror are coming to life, and we're in the thick of it. This is happening. It's not supposed to be stable. We are supposed to be shaken up. And, you know, unnerved and freaked out. And that is exactly what this movie does. And that is exactly who these monsters are. And that is exactly why I'm excited to talk about Gothic with you, my friend Zach.
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So I have monster. One is the suit of armor with the face worms and boner. Okay. Yep, we got that monster two is when Mary sees the fusilli monster come to. Okay. From the painting in my notes, I have the little goblin man on top of that. I think that's better. the monster three is the. I didn't know what this was, but it's the creature in the carriage in the barn that you see.
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Okay. Yeah, that was scary monster four is clear as nipple eyes. one more thing. There was, Yeah. Yeah. in the barn, there was, like, that werewolf looking thing in the carriage. He kind of just, like, peeks out of the shadows a little bit. Yeah, but then he sees something else, doesn't he? He sees like something.
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Is he? Because he was, like, going through, like, cobwebs or something. And then there was like something that he see, but I couldn't tell what it was. But I thought it had like maybe legs. Maybe I missed it. okay, here it is in the barn. Let's see. Okay, okay. Yeah. There's something else. I was able to.
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I was able to pause it. Thank you for. I'm going to screenshot it for you. it's got, like, a skull, but then it's got, like, little tentacles on the side. Oh, there we go. yeah. And it kind of wiggles a little bit. It kind of looks like a really. I mean, this is obviously like this movie.
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I know I don't mean to, like, I know you have a baby and I don't mean to freak you out, but. Oh, there's so much fucking dead babies in this. Yeah, it's it's wild, but this almost looks like a baby's head. Like I'm talking like, the most grotesque version of, like, a baby's head coming out of child like.
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Yeah, but it's like dead. And it's his eye, his memory of that. There's like horror. Yeah. Because that's their baby was born stillborn. Yeah. As, like a stillbirth. Yeah. Or stillborn. So that would be the fourth monster intro force. Yeah. And then nipple tits is five. Nipple. Yeah.
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And then I have the sixth. Is Sasquatch riding the horse out of the barn? Sasquatch. I love her because, you know, it's funny that we all have different. We've we all like lists of different things for these because they're so obscure and whatever, like you play it to you. What did you see? Yeah. What did you see? what did you write down?
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I just wrote the monster stealing doctor. Okay, it's stealing his horse. But, yeah, like Sasquatch. I do want to see castle's new movie, Nipple Tits and Sasquatch. That's it. I want to make a documentary about camera. So that'll be the title. Just like it would be. Like. It could be like a series like nipple Tits and Clutch, nipple bits and Sasquatch visit Geneva.
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it's the. It's what are they going to Geneva?
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Wait, was this where did this story take place? In Geneva. Is that what it is? Oh, I was like, oh, wait, is it? Yeah. Villa Diodati in Geneva. Yeah. They said it's funny. Well, in the end, we'll get into the history. It'll say that, it takes place near Geneva, Switzerland. Yeah.
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What was it? Nipples. It's like. No, I got, I got nipple. It's a nipple. Is meant to say nipple eyes.
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It doesn't make sense. So.
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Since I got the advantage of nipple tits and says.
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Oh my God. All right, so Sasquatch is six. okay, so I feel like we're actually on the same page. All right, Danny, are you ready to visit Lord Byron's estate near Geneva, Switzerland, in 1816? Oh, we're on that little rowboat in a little misty rain. We're falling out of the boat. We're. We feel like we're we're running so fast, we may as well be cranking the speed up like an old film camera.
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Yeah, we are ready to party. And I'm ready to. I'm ready to come along. We're getting attacked by strange women in the bushes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. When? They're like. They were like, what happened there? Where do they go? Okay, so I had to watch the beginning twice. They was fans of Percy Shelley, right? so he's like, they're like, they're crazy.
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He's like, how can they be crazy? They love me so much. Like, that's what. And they said they must have followed us from Geneva, but they got there on a fucking rowboat. How did the crazed fans get there already hiding in the bushes, and then think they probably were just like, someone is probably just live tweeting. Honestly. But like back then it was a bird that was like.
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It was like male owl, pigeons, owl, pigeons.
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I just like this. They're just like connecting words that mean the same thing. Danny, if you were there at Lord Byron's during this weekend, that would be here. Oh, pigeons. And nibbles is. It. Sasquatch?
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No. If I was there, like, say, were there. Everyone has like their manifestations of like their fears are coming to life and they're like, oh my God, Zach. Yeah a vampire. Oh, that's classic horror. Oh, Casey. Oh, look at the the werewolf coming out of the ground. Oh, I can't imagine what Danny's fear is going to be. the thing is that that did pigeon or or an owl is that the nipples?
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Are those those? Is. That's that's what they're doing. This is. Are we scared of this? It's now large and. Yeah, now it's riding a horse. Then the fuck is wrong with you that turns into an intervention. Yeah, he needs help. All of our monsters come together like this is too much even for us. Like the Sasquatch werewolf thing is like.
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Okay, guys, time out, time out time. Everybody get in here! Everybody get out! Group meeting. I feel like. Danny. Are you okay? Like, seriously. Sasquatch sits me down. Just, like, puts a hand on my shoulder, like you tell me I've been there, man. I've been there. It's a little weird. Skull monster is like crawling out from the ceiling.
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It just, like. Looks like. Like puts a little tentacle arm, like, under its chain. Just listening. We're not here to judge. spoiler alert for later in this episode, I do have a Raiders of the Lost Ark reference. oh. Yes. So I love it. We'll get there, we'll get there. But yeah, we got boners. And is it, is it, is it a ball reference?
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Is there a giant ball attacking everyone? Yes. That fucking goat nuts. What was with those? I don't know if those were boobs or balls or I don't know if it was like it's milk sack, it's udders, whatever. They're fucking called because later some sack is what they like to is the, the preferred vernacular because later someone was like milking the goat.
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But it looked like some of you don't. It's just had no good. Yeah, you can milk a lot of things. I've got eyeballs. Greg, can you milk me?
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I've got eyeball. Sasquatch. Can you milk me? this movie is broken. Us. okay, let's go to Lord Byron's.
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In the.
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Film.
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Okay, so, Danny, this movie Gothic from 1986 was your pick for, Rider Shock triple feature. could you please read the synopsis for Gothic? I sure can, so on IMDb, it literally just says the Shelley's visit. Lord Byron and compete to write a horror story. Okay. By the way, I've been trying to wear these quote unquote writer all three sweaters during these recordings of our writer shock triple feature.
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And right now I'm wearing this thick wool, cardigan. No, not cardigan. This is. Yeah, it looks like a cardigan to me. Yeah. and I think I'm. I don't think I'm allergic to wool, but I have a sensitivity to wool, and I am starting to itch so much. But I'm going to keep this bit going. Well, no one will see.
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But it's just for me, Danny, as I believe I would like to thank Lord Byron would say, take it off. he would. but no, this is a Gothic is a fictionalized retelling of, Percy and the married couple Percy and Mary Shelley visiting Lord Byron's Villa Diodati in Lake Geneva. this was in 1816. It was.
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It was called this the Year Without a Summer. because of how wet and gloomy that particular summer was. So it's kind of fitting for the kind of the stories that were being created. Maybe the maybe there was something in the air, maybe the spirits were attracted to this particular, time in place. and yeah, like, the very brief synopsis noted, this three day weekend involved these poets and writers are are artists.
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if you were, basically competing to write a horror story, and this led to Mary Shelley writing Frankenstein and also John Polidori writing The vampire, which we'll get into a little later when we start. Kind of like breaking down who these people are, but that's just a kind of like a brief setup to what this movie is, right?
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yeah. Okay. Danny, I think we should probably meet the characters now before we get into this movie. and that might kind of help us, like, get our way through this movie because it is really trippy. And if you don't know who these people are, it can be kind of confusing, because I didn't know until after the movie, and I did some research and looked up some of them.
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but during the movie, it I think it would have helped a lot if I knew who they were. So, okay, let's kind of go through the characters and the real life characters and kind of talk about their history a little bit. All right. Yeah, we have, Lord Byron, played by Gabriel Byrne. He's. God, I love Gabriel Byrne.
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Me too. Oh, he's so good. I'm not trying to derail us, but no, everyone in this movie is the cast is unbelievable. And to as strange as this movie is to watch these incredible actors going taking such a wild turn is so much fun. Yeah. Like I think when you can step away from the movie and maybe like come back because it seems like one of those movies, you're like, can I watch this?
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This is half rewatch value, and I actually think it does. It's one of those it helps if you've all seen it, but it's one of those movies that would be great to have on during, like a background movie at a party where you go, oh, totally. At times, like totally rewatch it. Yeah, it's so crazy. But it's they're just chewing it up and it's so much fun.
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Yeah, yeah. the first time I saw Gabriel Byrne was in End of Days with Arnold Schwarzenegger. That was the first time you've seen him? Well, yeah, because I saw that when it came out in 1999. Yeah, yeah, because it was all like. It was like maybe a year thing. Yeah. so I was 13, 12. What's nine plus four, 13 or 14?
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No, that's. Christ, I was 13 years old. that was the first time I had seen Gabriel Byrne. and so that was my first introduction to him. And he was like, the devil you know, and he's like a bad. Yes. and then I believe he's in stigmata, which is like another religious movie. And so it's kind of it's kind of had like this whole, like they was like the same time he's like the religious guy.
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oh, that's. But anyways, and then seeing him like a lot younger in this, was really cool. And it was just wild to see him in this kind of, this role of being like this. Very. Yeah. Because he does sort of a more muted, like very in control kind of character. Yeah. And I mean, yeah, I mean, part of this character description is Byron was known for being this kind of which really translates to the he does such an incredible performance in this movie and portrayal of this character, because Byron is described as being this tortured, but brilliant poet, very eccentric, scandalous, arrogant.
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Okay, but he is considered to be one of the greatest British poets. he's known for writing anti-hero shows, which is also kind of fitting for this movie because there are no real villains necessarily. Sure. But there are a lot of people who are a little problematic. in some of his most popular poems were like Don Juan and Child.
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Herod's pilgrimage. And then we have Percy Shelley, played by Julian Sands. He is a writer who wrote about human progress and social justice. both he and his wife, Mary, who was in the movie, they both explored themes in their writing, like creation, the limits of human knowledge, and the consequences of unchecked ambition. so these are all these little all these.
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The reason why we're emphasizing this is because all of these character traits and they're kind of like, I guess, like, creative sensibilities play a pretty integral role in how the monsters are created in this movie. And since our podcast is about meeting the monsters, I think it really helps to kind of establish these, these traits and, details first.
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Absolutely. and we should say, rest in peace, Julian Sands. Yes. Who died? I guess it was last year or the year before, very tragic, very tragic. But he's so like, just like Gabriel Byrne. He's so good. And talk about just, like, going all out in a performance. He like just get he's given like 150% in this.
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And it's so good. I don't mean to generalize, but a lot of these kinds of period pieces from this era can be a little stuffy sometimes and sorta line pretentious. I'm being I'm generalizing, I'm judging. I, I usually love these types of movies, like these historical dramas, but there is that kind of like stuffiness to it. But this movie is so insane.
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So for them to all be on the same page for that level of insanity, but then to deliver it in a way that is a genuinely strong, convincing performance. It just there's a reason you see these actors kind of all over the place because they write, they understand the assignment as people say, you know, they get it. Yeah.
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because just three years after this, he would do Warlock, which is just crazy. I fucking love Warlock. And then a year after that. So four years after this, he did arachnophobia, which was my first introduction to him. I'm sure I saw that before Warlock, but yeah, that's probably the same for me too. I saw the maybe I saw the cover art for Warlock before I saw the phobia, but I think that was every horror kid.
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Yeah, but anyways, very talented. Very talented. Yeah. okay. I keep derailing you from your. No, I love it. Are you kidding me? I feel like I'm just blathering. We love to hear you blather, Dan. Thank you. Notice that I called you Dan of. I call myself Dan earlier. I call it, you know, DS Dan, Daniel. Danny. I prefer in order.
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Danny. Daniel. But I feel like I'm being yelled because I was like, Dan. No. Yeah. And then Dan. Dan feels like Dan is like my dark ages. Dan is where it was like a time in my life, like as a teenager. I was like, I didn't know who I was. Sure, Danny sounds too silly and lighthearted, and I'm serious.
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I, but I'm Dan. Yeah. Dan. One syllable. I don't got time for that shit. yeah. You just. Oh, that was my inner monster manifesting. Did you hear him? His name is Dan. It's like you're talking. You.
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It's like you're saying, like, my name is Dan. It's one syllable. I'm serious. And that's, And like the rest of the world, just hears you going. Oh, my gosh, it came to light. It's an owl. Pigeon. It's like in those cartoons where, like, the animals are talking, but then like, the humans just hear them or you just, like, cut to a different point.
00:32:34:24 - 00:33:07:02
Like you just cut to a just a slightly different point of view. Yeah, yeah. Oh my god. Anyway, All right, speaking of, Oh, pigeons. Oh, pigeons. no, the next character on this list, and I would argue the most important, and the only reason why I didn't put her first is because I felt like we had to set up these other characters so that we can introduce our central character, who is Mary, aka Mary Shelley, played by Natasha, the late Natasha Richardson.
00:33:08:04 - 00:33:41:24
two fantastic actors that we lost way too soon. Yeah, Very sad, but Mary Shelley, which who's probably maybe the most universally known writer on in this little list of, writers and characters. yeah, Mary Shelley wrote about, the moral and ethical implications of science and scientific progress, which obviously, was most famously conveyed in her novel Frankenstein or the Modern Prometheus.
00:33:41:26 - 00:34:03:20
Fun fact this was published two years before her husband's poem Prometheus Unbound. So you see, obviously these two writers live together. There might be some overt creative overlap there. It is right there, even in the titles. Yeah. and we'll obviously get into it later. These, parallels, or maybe not even parallels because the idea is Frankenstein.
00:34:03:27 - 00:34:29:28
It hasn't been published yet, but these this sort of, the ingredients and setups and breadcrumbs that would maybe inspire Frankenstein, that kind of get referenced throughout them. Yeah. Yeah. yeah. And then we have Claire Claremont. That's just Mary's stepsister. It's really not as as far as, like, what we're talking about. There's really not much you need to know, about her background.
00:34:30:00 - 00:35:03:27
She's played by Miriam Seer. And then finally, we have Doctor Polidori, played by Timothy Spall. Polidori was Byron's personal physician. He wrote the novel The Vampire, which was inspired from this weekend. fun fact about the vampire. It is considered the first modern vampire story in English literature. It depicted vampires as sophisticated and aristocratic, which would obviously influence, a little known author.
00:35:03:27 - 00:35:32:26
You might be familiar with Bram Stoker for his novel Dracula. The movie touches on this later, but in case you missed some of the tour guides voiceover Polidori published The Vampire three years after this weekend at the Villa Diodati, but then he died, sadly by suicide two years after it was published. So a lot of tragic deaths just in general surrounding this weekend, but also a lot of creation.
00:35:32:26 - 00:35:53:11
And, you know, creative pivots like universally like the entire horror genre changed from this weekend, which is kind of right insane when you really think about it. But at these things probably wouldn't have happened without the tragedy. So it's like a chicken or the egg kind of thing, like the only the tragedy to make this. It's right. It's that sometimes.
00:35:53:11 - 00:36:20:02
Yeah, sometimes greatness comes from darkness. Like, you know, well, with him, with, Doctor Paul Dorie, writing the vampire, you kind of think like, you know, a lot of times people think like, oh, Bram Stoker and they think vampires, and they're like, oh, he, like, created Dracula and, yeah, vampire and stuff like that. You said this was written three years or this was published three years after this weekend.
00:36:20:02 - 00:36:46:19
So in 1819, Bram Stoker wasn't even born until 1847. It's crazy. It's. Yeah, that's wild. And I think Dracula was in published to like the 90s or 1897 or something like that. The 1997 actually. Oh yeah. 1997 came out. It was based on, Francis Ford Coppola's movie, which is called Bram Stoker's Dracula. Yeah. He's like, oh, I should write that book.
00:36:46:22 - 00:36:52:02
It's like, I mean, my name was in the title.
00:36:53:05 - 00:37:16:08
Oh, but another thing. And you said that, so he was said to have died by suicide by, this is, Doctor Paul Dorie was said to have died by suicide by drinking prussic acid. which they show, which is that you see, in the movie, like he's about to drink it. right. That's what his family said, according to.
00:37:16:08 - 00:37:37:05
According to Wikipedia, that's what his family said. But the doctor who examined him said it was he died of natural causes because he was, like, really heavy into gambling debts. And he was depressed and he kind of just. The doctor said he died. His family said he took his life with by drinking this prussic acid. So, I don't really know.
00:37:37:05 - 00:38:04:15
But it is cool that they kind of include that in the movie of him, like, totally trying to drink that stuff. Yeah, and it's kind of implied that he may have been gay or queer in some capacity. So I'm sure during the time that he was around, especially with the the notoriety and it's so sad because like the circles he was in was clearly this, like creative circle, and they seemed to be open sexually.
00:38:04:17 - 00:38:30:08
So I hope that that didn't have anything to do with, yeah. What have his fate like what happened? It's is very right. It's just a right. You know, I sometimes glamorize these eras or romanticize them at the very least. But then you remember how difficult it must have been to live back then. Sure. Well, if you look at, like if you look at, like, the death, like Lord Byron died of a fever when he was 36.
00:38:30:10 - 00:38:53:05
Jesus. Percy Shelley died of drowning when he was 29. Oh my God. Mary Shelley died of a brain tumor when she was 53. So she lived like in those terms. She lived, like, pretty long. Yeah. but yeah, they like these poets, accomplished, like, so much. And in their creative process, nothing like he died when he was 29, you know what I mean?
00:38:53:11 - 00:39:18:17
It's kind of like the 27 club with all these, like, amazing musicians who died when they were 27. but yeah, it's just crazy to think, like. Yeah, back then, like how difficult it would have been to live back then, which is also really fitting because Mary Shelley, you know, Frankenstein is kind of recognized as one of the first true, like, science fiction novels, especially science fiction horror.
00:39:18:19 - 00:39:43:00
And that is all about, I mean, gothic literature is all about the past. Science fiction is all about the future. And this movie is kind of like has its toes in both sides of it, you know. Yeah. And that's kind of where the chaos is bred. So to speak. So it's interesting that we're having this conversation about how dangerous and scary it was back then.
00:39:43:00 - 00:40:09:28
And then it's about this writer who is inspired to talk about the future, but then also kind of recognize how there can be different types of horrors that come from that, too. So it's like you kind of fuck to no matter what, you just fucked in a different way. Right? But it's also about like how you manage it and the responsibility of the of like people living in the times that they're living in.
00:40:09:28 - 00:40:37:24
So yeah, you know, you get dealt the cards you dealt and how you. Yeah. It's just crazy. Ken Russell you son of a you, you got a skin of a bitch. You got you, you lost us in the first act. Yeah. You know and yet but then I will say that the ending left something to be desired for me.
00:40:37:26 - 00:40:55:22
Okay. do you want to talk about that now? Yeah. Why wouldn't we talk about the ending at the beginning? Yeah, exactly. It seems like every time we talk about a movie, I'm like, all right, I want to jump to the end real quick. Yeah. Oh, I love it. Yeah, but know over here. Yeah. We're going to do a little honey bunny action.
00:40:57:00 - 00:41:18:01
but there was all this, this build up, and then it kind of was just like, oh, the next morning and, well, I have some thoughts about that. Yeah. I guess when you, when you think about it, it's kind of just like, yeah, these weren't really things going. I was just kind of just like their fears and, and, you know, one dude was on drugs, and I guess a couple of them were on drugs.
00:41:18:01 - 00:41:37:01
And then just like a lung bender and then they woke up and they were like, yeah, hey, if you can't hang at night here at the Byron estate, this fucking here, drink this lemon tea, you need to take it, take it, take off. You can't take it. Take a hike, you know. That's right. Take a hike and get in that little rowboat.
00:41:37:04 - 00:41:59:03
Yeah. Get in that boat and get the hell out of here. Row, row, row your boat on out of here, girl. Yeah. Ish. Percy Bysshe Shelley in person. That's a nickname. That's his middle name, by the way. We're not calling him a bish. yeah, I've got. I thought the same thing. I had a little slightly different. Not different.
00:41:59:03 - 00:42:25:02
Read on it. I guess a different, It made me feel a different way. Okay. there's something I kind of loved how dramatically the ending shifts tone, you know, and tonally. And to almost be like, whoa. It's just we have, like, a crazy little night last night, like, what's the big deal? Okay. But that is sometimes how, again, we're we're cranking everything up to 11.
00:42:25:02 - 00:42:44:29
That is sometimes how it can feel when you're like, in it, you know, like when you're deep in, like they call it, like the flow state, or it doesn't even have to be creating. Or it could be anything. Anything you're indulging in. You can always feel so heightened. And then all you need is like the next day to show up and you're like,
00:42:45:01 - 00:43:17:26
Yeah, that's true. Video like, yeah. So I felt like for them to do it. But on the, on the flip side, I totally get your point too, because we had also talked about how this movie would be there's there's another really interesting movie here where it is a more straightforward retelling of this weekend. So this movie is almost it's so committed to not being that, that it can it leads things to be desired because of the promise.
00:43:17:26 - 00:43:48:11
You know of everything you've heard about this weekend. So. Sure. Yeah. Just want to see it. Just see because what's funny is I've, I've seen a few movies and TV shows that deal with this night, but I have still yet to get the night. So for example, we have Gothic, which does this heightened retelling of this story. We have Bride of Frankenstein, which opens up spoiler alert, opens up on this night, and then they talk.
00:43:48:12 - 00:44:08:08
It's like the characters talking about it, and then you get the movie. So it's real. You only get like a blip. And then they even did a couple years ago, they did a Doctor Who episode. That is literally where the doctor shows up on this night and it's really clean. It's really good, but it's still not the real thing that happened.
00:44:08:08 - 00:44:25:25
So yeah, maybe we maybe we have to tell this story. Maybe we write the movie. yeah. But I also want to do something. Yeah, because I agree. Yeah. I feel like you and I are very much the same page. And we have we're coming. We're like looking at it from like, every perspective because the movie kind of forces you to do that.
00:44:26:25 - 00:44:59:11
so yeah, I didn't mean to, like, negate like your feelings on that. Oh, I totally also like, kind of I'm on the same page with you. Totally. Yeah. no, I love to hear, like, your take on the ending and how it made you feel. one thing that I thought was pretty cool was how, like there on that estate at the at the ending, like in the grass playing tennis or whatever the fuck, drinking tea and then, like, it just kind of like they kind of like, go away and then like, the estate is there, but like, you're then in the current time and like, there's tourists going and they're talking about,
00:44:59:11 - 00:45:14:12
like, Mary Shelley and how she wrote the book and this and I thought that was pretty cool because I was like, oh shit, there's like such a quick shift and like, not expected at all because there wasn't like any set up at the beginning about how, like, we're going to go we're going to go talk about what happened.
00:45:14:12 - 00:45:56:28
It was just like, we're in it. And then it's like, oh, shit. Okay. I love that. That was neat. That's cool. You know what's also crazy about that? And I think it was our last episode or whatever the last episode was, was with Casey, and our first episode, I believe we were talking about period films and how, like any movie that's not over time is a period film, but you don't think of it as you think of a period film as like a, like a Victorian setting or like a movie, you know, isn't it crazy that the modern flash forward in this movie is technically also a period film, because it's set in
00:45:56:28 - 00:46:29:15
the 80s, when this was made in 86, that Flash Forward was not a period film. Oh that's right. So we need to watch the movie. Did it? I mean, do the film like live of the time that it was made? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Danny, you got snuffed again. Oh, nipple tit. You old Sasquatch. You all now, pigeon. What if instead of what if instead of eyes on the tits, there was a little bit.
00:46:29:18 - 00:46:54:00
And, these little nipples, like, get it nipple to it and then, because it it does that. And then on the teeny tiny little nipple on the end of the beak was an eyeball. And then in the eyeball, if you look really close, it's Sasquatch. Yeah. He's like high. And then you look at he's riding a horse.
00:46:54:09 - 00:47:21:22
and then if you look at his tits, if you look at sasquatches, tits has a big set of numbers. Their little beaks and then it just goes, it's like it's the circle of life. That's right. Yeah, that's what they get here. Hello? Why don't we get there, Mark off titties. What? I'd like to know. We tried so hard, we literally were like, let's establish all of these things before we get into our conversation and meet the monster.
00:47:21:22 - 00:47:49:13
Otherwise, we are going to be tripping over ourselves the whole time. And yet here we are, not only tripping over ourselves, but like having seizures and like strokes and losing our minds. Yeah. That's funny. Oh my God. wow. Okay, so with that said, with that said, let's get into this movie. Yes. let's get into Gothic. okay.
00:47:49:13 - 00:48:20:29
So Shelley, Mary and Claire are all arriving at Lord Byron's, estate, and Doctor Dory, who when we were talking about the character, we didn't mention how much I enjoy Timothy Spall. Incredible. He's just he's so good and so very you know, he's kind of like a Steve Buscemi kind of thing where he's like, his looks are very not, like, classically attractive.
00:48:21:02 - 00:48:43:27
Yeah. but he's so he's got like a charisma and like, this kind of like energy to him that it's just, it's it's so good. It's just very brave to like, he's walking. He's running around with his ass hanging out. He's like high five in a nail in the wall. Like he's just going crazy. and it's so convincing.
00:48:43:29 - 00:49:11:15
You need, you know, a broken record at this point, but, like, you need that to make this movie work, and they're all so committed to it, and they just sign on and go. And this was Natasha Richardson's and, Mariam sir's first. This is their debut movies. Okay? Like, I'm sure they did before. I'm sure there's, you know, but like, yeah, in saying it's just it blows my mind.
00:49:11:17 - 00:49:31:15
Yeah. okay. So. Yeah, doctor Dory sees them, like, coming in. He's like, oh, like unexpected guests. Here we go. And right off the bat, we get Percy Shelley, Julian Sands character talking like he's, like, infatuated with, like, the lightning that's happening. Like there's these storms coming, and he's like, did you see the lightning? It was.
00:49:31:21 - 00:50:02:29
It was, I forget the word he used, but he's very like, oh my God, the lightning. It was very hot. It was very like. It was almost like electric. Like there's like an electricity in the air. but that was cool because then you start to see, like, all these little bits that we'll see throughout the movie of, like Mary, like all her little experiences of like, oh, he was infatuated with the lightning and they're talking about life and this and then and resurrecting like, well, we'll talk later about like her, her dead child and yeah, she wants to bring him back and this and that.
00:50:02:29 - 00:50:24:11
And so, like all these little things about planting the seeds of Frank, like they even talk about like playing God to and on, then and so the set up, there's like a lot of set up to this before we get to like the actual nighttime of them, like getting into their fears. But what was with Lord Byron fucking kicking Clare in the face under the table?
00:50:24:13 - 00:50:49:29
Yeah. And my, my read on it is that they're just establishing the most, they're trying to establish their characters because everything's so heightened in this movie. So I feel like even like the way we're introduced to these characters is super heightened, too. So I was talking earlier about how, like, Lord Byron is known for being kind of arrogant and, scandalous.
00:50:50:01 - 00:51:10:03
It's like, well, how do we show that in a 90 minute movie and get it, you know, establish it right out of the gate? Just kick her in the face. Yeah. But because then you see, like, she's kind of not mad about it, but then you is she is she. And she just doesn't know how to express that.
00:51:10:03 - 00:51:36:20
But then you see Mary's read on it, which is like completely she can't believe it. But then you have Percy Shelley, who's kind of like, don't worry about it. In modern terms, it's very much like the quintessential toxic relationship, 100%, you know what I mean? Yeah. And he does what Lord Byron does quite a bit of things in this movie that even cross that line of from toxic relationship to straight up abuse.
00:51:36:28 - 00:51:57:03
oh. Yeah. Abusive partner. I mean, literally in that moment he kicks her. Yeah. That's not I wasn't trying to overshadow that. The fact he literally abused her there. is it just to like, disarm us because we are seeing this also from at least that was just how I read it was because it's we know it's Mary Shelley.
00:51:57:03 - 00:52:15:05
So I just assumed you're supposed to be seeing it all from like, kind of like her perspective. So. Okay. It all seems so shocking. Yeah. You know. Yeah, she is she is kind of like the odd man out in this in this situation because everybody else is kind of. She seems to be like the only one who has her head on her shoulders.
00:52:15:08 - 00:52:42:19
Totally. Yeah. Which is funny because she's also so riddled with grief and trauma, but she's also the she's so obviously so good at, like, maybe not hiding it, but like, kind of controlling it. Or everyone else is. So they kind of wear their chaos on their sleeves right away. And she's actually has this real trauma that she's in throughout like the course of the movie is kind of processing.
00:52:42:19 - 00:53:06:21
It's kind of forced to confront obviously like we'll get to it. Like everyone's forced to confront. That's the whole point. so yeah, I don't know, maybe I'm reading too much into it that we're seeing a heightened, like portrayal of Lord Byron because Mary, we need to be in Mary's shoes to understand, like, how crazy he was. But I don't know, maybe he's just, like, kicking people.
00:53:06:21 - 00:53:30:12
I don't know. I mean, he does have a goat in the house. Yeah, I think goats kick people. That's true. Oh that's true. Is he a goat? Greatest of all time? No, that's Mary Shelley. It's true. He does say later he's like, that's right, I am the devil. She was. She says something to him about the devil. And this he calls the devil.
00:53:30:15 - 00:54:01:01
And he's like, yeah, you're right, I am the devil. And so goats. Right. Phillip from fucking which black Phillip goats the devil. Lord Byron who've and Lord okay is an anagram for Satan, right? Okay, here's the thing. We see the fucking goats in gorged nuts. Or I'm going to call them. It's nuts. I don't know if it's the udders or if it's nuts.
00:54:01:04 - 00:54:25:00
One of the. They look like every pair of nuts I've ever seen. So yeah, it's something. Think something is bigger than it's supposed to be. Yeah. okay. Now shifting a little bit, do you remember Poltergeist two? Yes. When the dad drinks the tequila and it's got the worm, and then he like on it like this, like creature thing.
00:54:25:02 - 00:54:56:08
So that fucking scene. Oh my God, I know, Lord Byron. I'm. Came out of the goat. Little nuts nut butters Butters. Yes. Look that came out of the goats. Nutters and. Okay, hold on a second. It's here somewhere. Yeah, it's here somewhere. Let it breathe. Let's live. Well, if we see Lord Byron before we see the goats.
00:54:56:08 - 00:55:22:05
Nutters. So how does he. Are you suggesting the fact that the nutters wouldn't be quite as big if they had just busted, and that became Lord Byron? Oh, I got it. Lord Byron was in those nutters like, five minutes before because Doctor Paladino is looking at the window and he goes, unexpected visitors. And then he like, we got to get Lord Byron ready for the ball.
00:55:22:05 - 00:55:50:24
So he's like balls. Come on. So he does what he needs to do to drain these nutters. And Lord Byron comes out and he's like, so it's, but something, something in since this is all about like, there's all the talk about like stillborn and, you know, like trouble with pregnant births in general. And the creation there was a there was a complication in the birth of Lord Byron from the goats nutters.
00:55:51:00 - 00:56:18:06
And that's why he has, like, the limp. That's what happened. He's got the limp. He's got something happened to his leg. and that's why he's a little, like, off kilter. Because he is not quite as developed to write, not be evil. Right. And that's why we've throughout the movie you find like little like pockets of ectoplasm. Ghost come just like randomly scattered around the, that's the.
00:56:18:09 - 00:56:42:21
What is that? So should we retroactively call this a, How We Met your monster conspiracy theory of the week? Yeah. and with that said, this has been the how I Met Your Monster conspiracy theory of the week. You hit it. I'm telling you that NASA is going to the president of the United States within the current kind of thing, a Secret Service agent.
00:56:42:21 - 00:57:06:04
And like from self on top of the whole Vietnam War was fought over. And then Howard Hughes lost Aristotle on. The third issue this year, conspiracy theory. The poor souls who like jump into this podcast but like listen to the latest imagine listening to this is your first episode of how I Met Your Monster. If you like what where am I?
00:57:06:05 - 00:57:28:06
What is happening, first of all, or missing? This is our second week in a row, very sadly, that we're missing our third co-host, Casey. Casey cannot be with us today, but, she is usually good at kind of reining us in. We are without Casey, and I feel like of all the movies, to not be reined in, this is the one.
00:57:28:06 - 00:57:49:18
So in a weird way, it kind of is fitting. Yeah. So, Casey, is that with us today? but I feel like I don't know if Casey could have got through this movie. No, no, it's like would have killed us. Okay. Can I watch this? I will soon have a Raiders reference. Here's my last crusade reference. Oh,
00:57:50:15 - 00:58:23:10
she never would have made it past the rest. She hates Red. She's scared to death of them. She never would have made it through this movie. She hates it. She hates convoluted, trippy period pieces. She's scared to death of them. Did Casey like, layer the white worm? I don't remember honestly, I don't remember. okay, so we've established now that Lord Byron has a is a birth child of the devil.
00:58:23:10 - 00:58:55:00
Goat Nutter butter black Phillip. grandfather. That's right. Black great grandfather. so really what happens is they they start to play hide and seek and in this huge fucking house, and, somehow Lord Byron finds them all very quickly, and it's a little suspension of disbelief, a little, but, then they get in this room and they all start reading from this book called, Danny, what's the name of the book?
00:58:55:02 - 00:59:28:12
Phantasmagoria. Phantasmagoria. and it's like these, these short stories, like these ghost stories, and they kind of what really kicks the movie into gear is they say like, well, let's write our own horror stories. We'll have a competition. Everyone can write their own horror story, and we'll see who's who's, the scariest. So they kind of like Lord Byron takes it to like, another level of, like, instead of just writing these stories, he's like, we need to use this skull to have a seance.
00:59:28:12 - 00:59:57:01
Let's, like, really summon the spirits and. Right, get this shit crack. Larkin. That's right. and so they read from this book phantasmagoria, which actually reminds me a lot of Fangoria. It does the current horror publication, maybe. Okay, we so we want to write a new version of this that tells the actual story, but maybe see, this is where people get in trouble.
00:59:57:01 - 01:00:16:11
This is why we've never gotten a real version of this story, because every time someone says, oh, let's write a version of this, but let's change this to this, help it. We need to tell a modern retelling, of people coming together, write a short story, and instead of reading from a year ago, phantasmagoria, they're reading from A Christmas Story.
01:00:16:11 - 01:00:39:09
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01:00:39:09 - 01:01:04:28
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01:01:05:01 - 01:01:27:14
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01:01:27:27 - 01:01:47:01
and using promo code how I Met Your Monster at checkout. you'll get your 20% off and you will also help support how I Met Your Monster, The podcast. So love it. so you were saying this would be a modern retelling of the night at the Villa Diodati? What if it was a modern retelling of that?
01:01:47:01 - 01:02:14:03
But really what it is, it's about a group of horror fans who, upon reading Fangoria, are inspired to come up with their own versions of a retelling of that weekend at the Villa Diodati. So the oh my God is these separate movies about the events of that story existing within one movie, and you have to face off against the monsters that each person created.
01:02:14:03 - 01:02:41:12
That was, of course, inspired by Fangoria. Daddy, I'm not gonna lie. Like what you just said literally made me dizzy. What am I, Ken Russell over here? I kind of got dizzy listening to you talk about. Oh, I love it. Probably because it made too much sense. You got busy, all right. The, off the clarity. That's right.
01:02:41:14 - 01:03:16:00
Yeah. You can have to pop me a Claritin. who is not a sponsor of how I Met Your Monster? Yeah. Fuck you. We should be. We're pro allergies over here. The ultimate monster. Yeah. Okay, so here we go. We're. We're getting into this movie now because they've started this science with this skull, and. And Claire really gets, like, taken over by something, and she starts, like, fucking foaming at the mouth.
01:03:16:20 - 01:03:47:11
well, I was going to point out it's actually before Claire even recommends. So in the space between reading phantasmagoria and Claire recommending that they do this competition to essentially out scare each other, they we get our first glimpse, we get our first monster reveal. And it's Ryan, right? One of the stories that they're telling. Yeah, it's kind of a story about like this, which they don't really say it's a night.
01:03:47:11 - 01:04:14:15
They kind of say it's, I don't know what they say this, but it's like some figure, but it's. He's been up to this, like this suit of armor. Yeah. This night, which I think, you know, it's kind of like, we're getting, like, these tidbits of how she wrote Frankenstein, but even, like, as they're. She's hearing this story being told, Mary has the suit of armor that she saw earlier in the house.
01:04:14:17 - 01:04:37:22
So that's kind of like in her head. And so when she's hearing this story being read about a figure attacking this boy, I think in the bed, she's picturing this knight of this suit of armor that she which is a great way to kind of tell us that this story, this movie is going to show us the manifesto versions of things that these characters are familiar with.
01:04:37:22 - 01:04:57:02
So here it's this is like literal, I guess, the thing we've even seen recently and then later, obviously, they go even deeper, not just on things that we've seen in the movie, but things that are haunting them from their past. So I feel like this is a nice kind of launching pad for sure. Who the monsters will be later on.
01:04:57:24 - 01:05:19:27
so I appreciate it that and like we don't know it at the time, but like, that's her child. Yes. On the bed that this this figure or this night is if we find out later died prematurely. Right. Which is weird, though, that they show it as like a five year old. Yeah. Or something, which is a little strange.
01:05:21:11 - 01:05:41:15
but maybe it was like, maybe the maybe that's like a over a lot of the horror is, is how like the imagination kind of can haunt you too of like what could be, you know. Right. Everything she missed out on so you know, like, I'm sure she plays it in her head of this life that she could have had with this son who never got to grow to be this boy.
01:05:41:17 - 01:06:07:00
Right? Yeah. That makes sense. Something there make sense? I don't know why she manifest this in her, in her head, but the knight has a giant metal knight penis. Yeah, and worms in. It's under its mask. Oh. Under its. Yeah. Which, as they show the worms in the knight's mask, we're also. Oh, man. How do like this is kind of.
01:06:07:01 - 01:06:33:27
It's kind of trippy. It's like a dream where it's like. Yeah, things that are happening in real life, whatever, are kind of manifested in your head. Oh, you can, because of the food, the, the the plate. Because. Yeah. Then the plate of food has leeches on it. Yes. Powdery. He was pranking Lord Byron. Yes. And so those two scenes kind of like butt up against each other and Byron either established before or after or maybe in that moment that he has this fear of leeches.
01:06:33:29 - 01:07:00:00
Okay. So it kind of ties in. And then we kind of revisit that later. Right? So we are I don't know. Yeah. That's a it's funny because you think you're seeing it just from Mary's perspective. But maybe we are getting maybe the the story if you allow it to kind of go there. It's the story that we're seeing is a combination of everyone seeing the story.
01:07:00:02 - 01:07:26:24
The. So you have her fear of this baby. You've got the knight in shining armor with the boner that maybe is Claire's. Sure, you have the leeches, which is Byron. Yeah, maybe the younger ones, because we don't have Polidori or Shelley's, but. Yeah. Yeah, because Shelley's worried about, like, he's worried about, like, getting buried alive. Yeah, he's. He's like narcoleptic or something.
01:07:26:24 - 01:07:51:27
He's like, I worry I fall asleep, they'll think I'm dead. This is maybe a disaster, but maybe the being covered with the mask and his face with, like, worms on his face is maybe, like, symbolic of being buried with, like, worms. And yeah, that could be. Yeah. And the boner could also be kind of tied to Polidori, who's has this, fear of it's kind of sexual urges.
01:07:52:15 - 01:08:17:03
Which are as accepted during that time. So maybe there's something there. well yeah. Right after they start to play hide and seek, poetry is like not participating in Lord Byron's like, you're in my house, you're going to play my games. So he's like, okay, I'll just go to my room. Fuck it. He goes to his room and he like, he like, moves a crucifix and like, cuts his finger and he, like, sucks the, the blood off of it.
01:08:18:11 - 01:08:37:02
and it was there that I wrote in my notes. I said, I think, doctor, I, I just wrote Doctor Poly in my notes. I said, I think Doctor Poly is a vampire. and it's funny that like then finding out later after watching the movie that he wrote, this vampire story, I was like, oh, good catch, Zach.
01:08:37:04 - 01:08:57:26
There's so much to unpack there because it's like, there's the religious thing, him cutting it. Is it it does he see himself as the vampire? Does he see himself as the victim of vampirism? is he feel ashamed? It is like God frowning on him and punishing him for this. It's it's there's so much to chew on.
01:08:57:28 - 01:09:22:09
Yeah. Is this a really good movie? I love it, it took me a second where I was like, the movie's, like, insane and so hard to digest. But it is. We do this with so many movies where, like, which just goes to show two guys like, talk about things, talk about art, talk about movies. It's really fun and it helps you see things maybe that you weren't even thinking about.
01:09:22:11 - 01:09:42:06
Exactly. Yeah, this is definitely one where it was like, okay, I watched it and it was fine, but now we're talking about it and I'm like, damn, okay, it's almost too much to unpack. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I really jumped the gun on Claire, on being on fear, with the skull. Because there's a ton that happens before that.
01:09:42:28 - 01:10:07:22
Oh, no. You're fine. You get. You get the orgy where they're just like, casual rubbing, rubbing each other. It is implied. I don't think they specifically say that they're tripping. But there is that scene where when I think Doctor Polly pours Percy Shelley a drink, and then he kind of like, he may as well like, wink at the camera when Percy starts drinking it to be like.
01:10:07:24 - 01:10:29:04
Like you about to go see. Sit down. So. Yeah. See you later, my friend. yeah. But then Percy keeps drinking it throughout the whole movie because, like. Yeah, he's, like, scared. And he thinks that, like, keep. If it keeps getting high, it's going to get better, but it just gets worse. yeah. There's a oh, we're all right.
01:10:29:04 - 01:10:50:18
So. Yeah, before she has a seizure, we're getting more like, kind of like hints at the, create. Like what? Inspired Frankenstein. And there's literally a scene where a tree is on fire outside. They find out that it was from a lightning, and they even go so far as to compare lightning to the creative spark, you know? And that is what this is.
01:10:50:18 - 01:11:17:27
So, like, we literally get to witness the actual creative spark of Frankenstein, which appropriately is literally lightning, right? So I really appreciated that. and we do get some context about Mary opening up about her, about losing her child during birth. and that she establishes the fact that she would give anything to bring her child back. So, boom.
01:11:17:27 - 01:11:44:05
Like, right there, we get we get every basic ingredient to Frankenstein. And then that is what kind of sets up the seance, where they essentially conjure their fears over that, that okay, then with the skull in it, and then she has the seizure. Okay. Yeah. And they're just like, take her to a room. She's just like, let her sleep.
01:11:44:05 - 01:12:15:15
She's just foaming at the mouth. She'll off. And, then we get a weird scene with. So they all kind of go their separate ways after that. They're kind of like, oh, party's over. Someone. Oh, did let him sleep it off. and then you get Lord Byron in his room calling for. Well, there is like, a moment with Doctor Polly, and we come back to my, doctor, doctor Polidori.
01:12:16:05 - 01:12:38:13
there's a moment with Doctor Polidori, and he's, like, apologizing to Lord Byron about the leeches. And then he's like, basically, he's like, it's okay. Here, rub my titty. And then Doctor Dory's like, oh my God, this is happening. And so he's like, he's like, rubbing is Lord Byron's chest. And then it's like, but it has nipple to it.
01:12:38:19 - 01:13:07:17
And then he like, they cut to like a different scene. And then you see later Doctor Polidori like running out of the room, kind of like all giddy. So there is kind of like this, suggestion, implication, suggestion that maybe something sexual happened between the two and Doctor Polidori is all for it. but then you get Lord Byron in his room calling for Justine, and she's like this servant who just comes in and she's like, she knows what she's there for.
01:13:07:24 - 01:13:36:26
She comes in, she takes off her clothes. Lord Byron has this mask on his, mantle of Augusta, and he puts it on Justine, and they just, like, go to town, right? Yeah. But you see, like a tear in Lord Byron's eyes. and Augusta was actually Lord Byron's half sister. Oh. Which they kind of set up in the beginning when they talk about how he had these ancestral relationships or an ancestral relationship.
01:13:36:28 - 01:13:57:29
Yeah. So he had some kind of, like, love for her that went beyond what it should have got. and so he, like, puts this mask on because he, like, cries for her. Like, later, he's like a ghost. oh. Sersi. And, gets a Lannister action going on over here. and so that was kind of weird.
01:13:58:01 - 01:14:20:11
He seems, well. I think every scene we get with him, like, it's kind of just further establishes the fact that he seems like he's doing really well. Yeah. Yeah. No, nothing to see here, people. Yeah. Just Lord Byron living in his castle, doing what he does best. we get a little bit more of doctor Dory with the leeches.
01:14:21:00 - 01:14:47:14
he's just drinking. He gets juice, though. This is, That was so gross, and. Oh, my God, what was that? I don't know, that's what I wrote. I said, you what, did Doctor Poly drink this, like formaldehyde or so? Okay, this is a stretch, but I know that, like, leeches were used back in the day in, like, certain medical practices, right?
01:14:47:14 - 01:15:06:27
Yeah. I think they still I think they still use them today. It actually I have a few on me as we speak. I took a page out of Stand By Me. I just put leeches on my, testicle. Yeah. I'm.
01:15:10:15 - 01:15:17:05
This is Gordie Lachance, the goat from Gothic.
01:15:17:07 - 01:15:40:12
Okay, we're not doing this again. So, Byron, I'm assuming, gets this procedure done. So maybe what it was was he uses. So Polidori uses those leeches to suck the blood out of Byron. So then maybe Byron is then drinking the juice from the leeches because it's like he's drinking. Byron, this poet doctor poetry is drinking. Deletes juice. Oh, yes.
01:15:40:12 - 01:16:07:13
Yeah. Thank you. I know he's drinking the leech juice, so in a way, he's kind of drinking Byron's juices. Yeah, yeah. So maybe he didn't. Maybe that's implying that it didn't go as far as he would have liked it to go. And this was him. Kind of like finishing it off for himself. Oh, God. Dante, this second episode and movie are so off the rails, it's ridiculous.
01:16:07:15 - 01:16:32:22
All right, well, with that said, we have side by side. We've got an honorable mention that is immediately met with our second monster intro, which is Mary. She sees this really creepy shadow. She thinks she's being followed by some kind of monster. Finds out it's just Percy, you know, shadows have a way of kind of taking on the form of things that are scarier than they really are, right?
01:16:32:22 - 01:17:04:23
That sets us up to an actual monster reveal. Yes. Which is the Sally monster? Yes. Which I'm sure everyone is familiar with this. It's the, It's like the sleep paralysis demon. That famous photo. Photo? Yeah, that famous photo of, It's just an oil painting from 1781. Yeah. Sometimes confused as a photo. Yeah, it's a pic.
01:17:05:14 - 01:17:31:25
yeah. So this is the. This is we're getting into, like, the imagery that's on the poster of this movie. Yeah. Which to describe it, it is the it is a 19. Sorry. It's 1997. It's the same year that Stoker is born. That's right. it is a 1781 oil painting called The Nightmare by Henry Facili. And what it is, is you may have seen it before.
01:17:31:25 - 01:17:59:22
It's like a we'll look at the cover of, look at the poster for Gothic. Yeah. When you listen to this, it's a retelling of this. So there's this, painting where a woman is seen sleeping with her arms stretched out, and there is a, a horse head in the background. But what's really prominent is this, like, goblin thing sitting on top of her, which is, supposedly an incubus, which was, which is like an alt rock band from the 90s.
01:17:59:24 - 01:18:24:10
Exactly. An alt rock band who peaked in 1997, the same year that prom shocker road tracks. it actually supposedly really did inspire Mary Shelley for Frankenstein. Okay, this whole experience of seeing this, this painting that, creeped her out that weekend. So, Danny, you may not believe this, but here is my Raiders of the Lost Ark reference.
01:18:24:12 - 01:18:52:00
So I get it. Oh, it's because, the, Yeah. So Claire sees this painting in. I'm sorry. Mary sees this painting, which I think is in Claire's room because she's, like, sitting on the bed with her and in her mind, it kind of like, comes to life. This is like her fear right there. And so you get this, like, goblin man sitting on top of her, which is the image that's on the poster.
01:18:52:09 - 01:19:20:22
but that the silly monster is played by Kieran Shaw s h h so Shaw. Kieran Shaw, who played Boo in Raiders of the lost like oh my. And if you don't know who that is, it's a very quick scene. Like when the guy comes in to poison the dates, you know, especially a person who like yes.
01:19:20:24 - 01:19:42:25
Oh who like brings the dates in and sets and then he side open the door and like, they like look out and they see like somebody's just in here or something. They shut the door. that's the guy who plays this guy. Totally see it now. But what might be even better? He also played a goblin in Harry Potter.
01:19:43:06 - 01:19:52:22
this. But what might be even better than that? He played.
01:19:52:24 - 01:20:23:29
The role of dumpy, the house schmuck in a movie called Harvey Potter. And the ridiculous premise. He played dumpy, the house schmuck. Hey, it's no nipple, tits and Sasquatch, but I'll take it. Wait. Say the name again. Dumpy. In the movies. In the movie Harvey Potter and the ridiculous premise, he played the character of dumpy, the house schmuck.
01:20:24:01 - 01:21:04:27
Okay. Do you? I don't know how stupid I am right now. I just assumed that this that, like, that movie was released shortly after Gothic. So, like, I'm thinking of like 1986, early 90s and I'm like, whoa, are you telling me that there's a movie that is so closely related to the name of Harry Potter and one of the characters, Dobby, that he's so, Harvey Potter and the ridiculous premise and the character of dumpy, the house schmuck inspired J.K. Rowling to write Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, or Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone.
01:21:04:29 - 01:21:30:16
Dear God, I love it. Good lord. Okay, now to get us back on track. That was our second intro was seeing the who's Sally monster brought to life by this, great actor that you just mentioned. We have two back to back monster intros, numbers three and four, and they both happened with our character Percy Shelley. Zack.
01:21:31:12 - 01:21:47:21
Tell us what they are. Well, Percy for some reason feels like he needs to go out and tend to the barn. I don't know why I understand it either. but he's like out in the. It's like raining or it's like the, you know, the whole this raining throughout this whole movie because he has this whole big thing about lightning.
01:21:47:28 - 01:22:04:00
And you had mentioned earlier it was known as The Year Without a Summer. but it's storming and he, like, goes out to this barn to shut the door, and the door won't shut for some reason until he's in it. But there's like, all these cobwebs and stuff, and he sees this carriage and as he walks by it, we get our fourth.
01:22:04:02 - 01:22:42:23
I'm sorry, our third monster reveal. there's like a in the shadows of this carriage. There's like a which we'll find out is like a Sasquatch thing. but it looks kind of like a werewolf. Almost. There's like this, like, snout and everything. so that's our third monster reveal. But then right after that, almost immediately is our fourth monster reveal when Shelley goes around the carriage and he's, like, looking through the cobwebs or whatever, and he sees, like, this spidery thing with, like, tentacles, but it almost looks like it has a has like a young, like a small skull.
01:22:42:23 - 01:23:02:21
Human skull. Yeah. Protruding from it. Right. It's got like a little skull coming out and it almost looks like. And Danny had pointed this out, as we were going over, I reveals that it almost looks like a stillborn baby being born. Born out of like this. Like out of like a birth, but like the nightmare version. Oh, absolutely.
01:23:02:21 - 01:23:32:15
It's it's like, it's very nightmarish. Yeah. and which could be Percy's fear of, like, his, his child who they lost in childbirth. and so he sees this, and he kind of falls into the falls through, like, the wood in the floor. and this is where I realized that Julian Sands does not do very well in spider webs and smooth spider creatures.
01:23:32:18 - 01:24:04:03
He just said he doesn't. He can't make it out of there. yeah. So here we're getting into, like, now the movie is, like, moving and we're getting, like, all these weird little bits that clearly are like, inspiration for these different stories. Right? we get a pretty brutal confrontation between Byron and Mary. Yes. In the billiard room, where because we've established, they've established earlier that Clare is pregnant with Lord Byron's baby.
01:24:04:09 - 01:24:33:26
And so Mary's like, you're a fucking pig, man. Like you suck. And what what's so important about this scene is, like, we've already established that the fears that they've kind of unearth from this seance thing is forcing them to kind of confront their demons fears. But this is where someone kind of just like someone in reality confronts Mary head on and is like, yo, I know what bothers you.
01:24:33:26 - 01:24:57:20
I know it keeps you up at night, but he's such an idiot. But of course, like someone like Lord Byron would do it because the character that we've met in this movie is such an arrogant dick, right? That he would he he can't even, you know, she comes at him and instead of like, being receptive to her criticisms, he's like, well, actually, this is what I have to say about you.
01:24:57:20 - 01:25:18:19
And it's like, oh, that's so cold. But it's also very revealing, and it just kind of lends to like, well, you said like the the things that are inspiring her, for better or worse, to write the story. Yeah, yeah. And they even have like it almost seems like, you know, he comes on to her so strong where they're like, she like hits him and he like hits her back.
01:25:18:19 - 01:25:34:27
And then they like, get into this thing and she almost, like, gives in for a second where she's like, he kisses her like against their will. But then she, like, kind of it seems like she kind of goes with it for a minute, and then she's like, wait a second, fuck you. This isn't what I want. So then she pushes him away.
01:25:34:27 - 01:26:08:15
But, you know, and I think at this point he probably was like the way she confessed, her past, I guess not. Can maybe not confess, but she told her past to Doctor Polidori. Polidori is also, like, infatuated with Lord Byron. So I'm sure he told her that she. I'm sure that Polidori told Byron that. Yeah. So when they're talking about Claire and her baby, he's just like a simple, like, I'm sure Padre can do an absurd, a simple abortion, like, don't worry about it.
01:26:08:18 - 01:26:27:23
And he knows that that's getting to her because I'm sure he knows about her past at this point. yeah. Yeah, man. He has this ability to have a child, and it's the one thing that she wanted and he's just so kind of casually like, I don't need it. Names. Get rid of it. Not a big deal.
01:26:27:27 - 01:26:55:16
Right? Right. And it's like, why are you talking to her about this, you asshole? Like, what the fuck? Yeah, yeah, it's like a weird thing about people who are like, so taken by their creativity that, like, in order to get, like, inspired and use stuff for, like, their, their art, they'll just like, whatever it takes. Have no regard for anybody else and their feelings.
01:26:55:16 - 01:27:24:19
And just like, yeah, it's wild, you know what I mean? Well, it's like there's like, I mean, the most one of the, the first thing that comes to mind is like the whole Stanley Kubrick thing, with another Shelley, Shelley Duvall. Yeah. Shelley Duvall. Yeah. just kind of putting her through the emotional wringer, you know, without, like you said, without any regard at the expense of her mental health and just her physical and mental, emotional, whatever well-being.
01:27:24:21 - 01:28:05:27
Right. And it's like, could you really not get it without. Right? Right. What is that performance worth? Yeah, you know what I mean. It like it apparently like ruined Shelley Duvall. Yeah. It's horrible. And so like but it is such an incredible performance and it's like, was it worth it though? You know what I mean? Like, I like to think that she could have put in that and would have put in just as good of a performance without having to be, you know, condescended to and kind of down to get there right when there's that new movie coming out, with Matt Dillon, who portrays Marlon Brando in I Don't Know Anything About this.
01:28:06:00 - 01:28:34:09
Yeah. So he's playing Marlon Brando in a movie that has to do with, and I. I forget the director's name. He's a fucking pig. but about the movie Last Tango in Paris, where. Yeah, that he was in the movie was, like, actually sexually assaulted in filming. and it wasn't scripted. It wasn't, like, planned. They just did it, and how that kind of changed her life, too.
01:28:35:00 - 01:28:54:12
so it's like what people do to get out is sometimes just fucking. Yeah. I feel like there was a time where, like, the culture honored that kind of approach to creating art, where there was a kind of they saw it as like there was like a respect. It was like, no, you don't understand. Like, that's what it takes.
01:28:54:14 - 01:29:19:22
But nowadays the conversation has been, kind of has grown quite a bit. To the point that people are like, no, people create great stuff. Like what is your definition of great. Like there's great content in art and everything being made every day like, and people aren't being abused in order to get it as like a means to an end.
01:29:19:22 - 01:29:47:17
So, it's like, no, I think you're just like a shitty person who's using art as an excuse to be this version of yourself that is in any other capacity, considered horrible, right? Right. Yeah. Fuck people like that. I'm over it. Life's too short. Don't fuck up someone's life just because you have this ego trip and want to be this version of yourself that you think is better than everyone.
01:29:47:20 - 01:30:16:29
Exactly. It's fucked up. It is, But speaking of pigs. Oh good segway, Byron, then, is like, headed down to the cellar to get, like, a bottle of fucking wine. He's got, like, all these wine barrels down there. but he sees a pig head on the ground, and when he looks at it, it turns into Doctor Polidori, which is one of our honorable mentions in this episode.
01:30:18:16 - 01:30:40:20
and I will tell you, we've established now in the movie that Lord, that Doctor Powdery is wearing a wig right. And his bald. And it's so creepy when he's bald and you see his fucking bald head, just, like, on the ground with nothing else. Fucking creepy. I feel like we could do a whole podcast where each episode is breaking down.
01:30:40:20 - 01:31:06:03
What each thing in this movie is meant to symbolize. Yeah, maybe this is the most obvious one, and I just don't realize it, but I'm not entirely sure what Byron's fear is manifesting as when we see his head decapitated and why it's a pig. I don't know. I could see it's like he's beneath him, like. But why is he decapitated?
01:31:06:05 - 01:31:30:11
Yeah, maybe because he just got head. Oh, he got head from what he thinks is a pig. tattoo on the nose. Wait, Paula Dory gave him head or that he called the head. So he. Polidori gave Byron head. Gotcha. So he's like, I gotcha as a pig from a pig. Pig boy. Yeah, a piggy piggy boy. Little piggy leech boy.
01:31:30:12 - 01:31:37:13
The village pig boy. Hey, big leech boy.
01:31:37:15 - 01:32:00:03
All right, forget it. We don't need a whole podcast. We figured it out. That's exactly what that symbolizing. but continues to go down to the cellar. And this is where we get our first. He's like, that's not going to deter me. I'm getting that wine. I'm getting that wine. And okay, so first he sees the pig head, sees pottery.
01:32:00:06 - 01:32:20:02
Get it? Because he just got head from the Leaky Pig boy. Yeah. Then he goes downstairs and he sees the ghost come. Yes. It's all making sense now. Otherwise known as ectoplasm. But ectoplasm could also just be ghost. Come. So. That's right. And this is the first time that we see it in the movie. But each time we do see it, people stick their hand in it.
01:32:20:09 - 01:32:43:28
Pretty? Yeah, willingly. They're just like, let me scoop this up. Let me give it it with. And it's never just like a dab with their fingers. Like they always just like of, like their forefingers like scoop it. Oh why it's so bad I would never do that to understand it I must envelop myself in it. so do you think so?
01:32:43:28 - 01:33:10:05
The next thing after this is Byron essentially. I mean, I say essentially, but he literally sexually assaults Claire while she's sleeping. Is that supposed to be this? Sort of like Byron is struggling with his own sexuality, so he has to not only have sex with a woman, but he's going to do it in a way that is, he's dominating.
01:33:10:11 - 01:33:47:13
And it's like this power thing, like, shit, I can't believe I just got head from a guy. I better go like I see. No, I don't know, because I feel like some of my, I don't know, I feel like Byron is pretty open, is open because he's he's done a lot of, like, rubbing and kissing on that turkey earlier and, he has relations with Justine, who he pretends is a, his half sister.
01:33:47:15 - 01:34:09:18
It's. And. Yeah. Then I actually have no idea what the fuck is happening and also like that. So, like, Claire is kind of like out at this point. She's still like sleeping, right. and that's kind of like that painting of the nightmare with the little goblin who is an incubus who does these things while the women are sleeping.
01:34:09:18 - 01:34:30:22
Yeah. So again, it's all kind of meshed together. It's all kind of meld together like Lord Byron is like being portrayed as this, like, goblin thing that's in the painting. and it's all kind of like our fears and things. It's like a dream. It's like a fucking fever dream, because it's like things we've seen here and things we've seen.
01:34:30:22 - 01:34:57:13
They're all kind of meld together. Totally. because at the same time that Byron is doing this to Claire, doctor Dory is in his room, bald in fucking size, and he's just, like, smashing his hand on a nail on the wall. And blood's coming out and it's just like, very. He's like, getting off in a way. And she like, does this.
01:34:57:13 - 01:35:34:08
And it's very strange. yeah. There's something there with like the, like, the whole stigmata of it all, but there's also a weird, like, pain and pleasure thing and, you know, Jesus hanging on the cross is supposed to represent like, the ultimate martyr. Like so does he, victimizing himself to be like, I'm the victim here. And then there's, you know, I could tie in to, like, maybe his inspiration for creating a character who is a vampire who, like, feels drained and the only way.
01:35:34:08 - 01:36:02:15
Yeah. Or in his mind is Byron, the vampire, who is, like, bleeding him dry because by because the vampire in his story is, like we've said, it kind of established that idea of vampires being these aristocrats and very noble. And yet under the surface, they're actually monsters. Okay. So maybe it's more Byron is the vampire that's like inspiring the vampire in his story and he's the victim.
01:36:02:18 - 01:36:21:14
So like again maybe I'm reading too much into it. But I feel like these are the that's the type of movie that is just like you're, it's like a feast of symbolism, like you're supposed to in every little detail. So like, that's I guess. Yeah, I'm going to commit to it. That's my read on. It is it makes sense.
01:36:21:14 - 01:36:52:18
Symbolism on symbolism and symbolism. He is victimizing himself with this weird pain and pleasure and it's jealousy, but he's also being kind of taken advantage of. Yeah okay. I've committed to that. Yeah. No it makes sense. because then the leeches I keep thinking, I keep like thinking if Bram Stoker was like inspired by that vampire vampire novel by Doctor Paul Dori.
01:36:53:05 - 01:37:25:00
because he's kind of like the Renfield character. Yeah, that's a little bit much better. explanation. Yeah. Again, I don't know if I read the vampire or vampire or however it's pronounced, but, Yeah, and maybe I'm. But to your point, even if it's not, this whole movie is about inspiration and art and how these two stories literally opened the door to modern horror.
01:37:25:15 - 01:37:49:09
And like, what we know is like classic monsters. So it would make sense that this character is could maybe represent inspiration for another or maybe a more universally known or more famous novel about vampires, which is obviously Dracula and has Renfield. So maybe there is something there. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. That's pretty cool. That's a cool Rita.
01:37:49:09 - 01:38:16:28
Yeah, yeah. What a wild weekend, man. Good lordy. Wonder what would, what would, what would horror be like if it wasn't for this weekend? I know and God we wouldn't be here. Yeah like Geneva. Oh, we would not be here. yeah. Okay. Where are we at on reveals here. We got, it's a lot more of just kind of traversing the manor or the villa rather to find Percy and Shelley.
01:38:16:29 - 01:38:39:24
Find some ectoplasm. there's something in the attic that doesn't really go anywhere. It just kind of reinforces our memories, kind of fear. And it's. It's starting to escalate. So there's, like things, something things are, like, haunting her now, you know, she keeps thinking it's like, oh, maybe it's a bird in the attic, or maybe it's just this tree shadow outside of it.
01:38:39:24 - 01:39:08:27
Like she's pretty convinced that something is coming for her right? And we do get an honorable mention around that time, which is when she sees Polidori with the neck wound, which is that the, most snow definitive, kind of parallel or at least reference to vampires, obviously. Sure. Yeah. Oh, and then I just realized, how did I not there?
01:39:08:29 - 01:39:31:20
We not notice this. We're talking we're building this kind of comparison between Lord by, like, Lord Byron kind of inspiring Polidori for this vampire character. He's got the neck wounds. And after Byron and Claire have sex, we later kind of cut back to Clare in bed. And she has a neck wound. Oh. Does she? Yeah. I did not see that.
01:39:31:20 - 01:40:01:17
Yeah. So. Okay. Why I didn't notice like put make that connection earlier but that's it. Interesting. This vampire okay. That would make sense that he is like they've come to his home. It's very direct. Yeah. Absolutely. Okay. Okay. Oh, yeah. And this is when our characters, they all kind of converge again. They all meet and they basically say, oh yeah.
01:40:01:19 - 01:40:25:18
So Shelley has that line that again, another connection to Frankenstein. He even says it's alive. And he he's going on this. He has this big monologue and he starts talking about how they've given life to a creature and a creation that is made out of all of their worst fears. So he's kind of establishing what we have been talking about this whole time that like, we gave it life.
01:40:25:21 - 01:40:48:10
And it again, it's it's that comparison to the creative process. Like we've had to go through all this like digging into our souls, into like the worst parts that we usually try to avoid so that we could create this monster. Arthur a this story. but they are in the throes of the consequences of their actions. So they're all like,
01:40:48:12 - 01:41:14:18
Straight up like freaking the fuck out to the point that, like, Percy even thinks he hears something in the room. He's like starts chasing something and he has a gun. And one of our honorable mentions is when he sees this thing that is basically him. But wearing this like he has like a mask on, it's like a little distorted and he shoots at it only to realize it's a mirror.
01:41:14:22 - 01:41:48:06
So not quite a reflection. Yeah, it was worth mentioning, but that does lead us to, maybe the most memorable, monster reveal in this movie. yeah. Because throughout the, this movie so far, Percy has been saying that he has dreamt of mountains weight, mountains with eyeballs or breasts like mountains with eyeballs, I think. Yeah, I think it's.
01:41:48:06 - 01:42:10:01
Yeah, it's that's my. Yeah, it's. Yeah, I remember remembering he has a sketchbook where it's like he's drawing mountains in her boobs, but they also have eyeballs. So I think, yeah, it doesn't matter how you say it is. Yeah. So he for some weird reason, he wants to see some, some eyeballs and some titties. He wants to see some to the titty balls.
01:42:10:02 - 01:42:34:10
Some say nipples are the eyes of the soul. That's right. If you haven't heard that before, you're not looking at the right nipple. Yeah, man. What? That's right. That's why everyone has nipples. Even if, they're not functional, which they are. Not for half the population. You need them because you need aligned to the soul. That's right. Right there.
01:42:34:15 - 01:42:40:09
And figure it right there in your chest. Yeah. The little testicles.
01:42:40:12 - 01:43:14:21
So Percy has been talking about seeing, eyeballs on breasts, and now he sees Claire, who is now awake after her encounter, I guess, with, Byron, Lord Byron or or, you know, the vampire Lord, the vampire. Yeah. and Claire is now sitting on the billiard table when Percy comes in and finds her there. And then Claire, like, opens her fucking nightgown, and there's, like, her tits are there, and it's like wood, but they're not nipples.
01:43:14:21 - 01:43:41:24
They're fucking winking. Like, yes, eyeballs. It is looking a sight to behold, for sure. It's, I mean, the the makeup is incredible. The effects are. Oh, yeah. Incredible, because it's actually not that crazy in a way. Like, it's not like they overemphasize anything. It literally is just what I mean, it's like, I don't know. It looks to me like in a weird way.
01:43:41:24 - 01:44:13:03
Like it looks so like seamless, if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Which makes it so much scarier. I almost feel like I tell me if I'm wrong, but I feel like the word you might be looking for is like, simple. Yes. It's so simple. Yes. Like like the the effects and whatever. So simple. But it looks like it's really cool, but it's just a simple A, which is makes it so much more alarming because you're like your brain struggles to be like, wait, what am I looking at?
01:44:13:08 - 01:44:41:27
Oh my God. Yeah. It's almost like the pizza in Nightmare on Elm Street for that. I like the souls and it's like. It's like the sausages and stuff. They're like, yeah, this is very tasty. You never eat this. You know what it is? It's like the pizza. But it's also like in Dream Warriors when the girl, like, has the little marks on her arm, like, open up to be like, little, that's what it's like.
01:44:42:00 - 01:45:03:12
Yeah. That's exactly. Oh, it's so freaky. I hate it so much. all right, I think it's time for our hearts on your monster. Our next How We Met your monster conspiracy theory of the week. Hit it. Daddy, I'm telling you that NASA is going to the president of the United States with an airplane. That kind of thing.
01:45:03:12 - 01:45:14:01
A Secret Service agent, like from self on top of the whole Vietnam War was fought over. And then Howard Hughes lost to Aristotle of.
01:45:14:03 - 01:45:41:15
Authority. Sure. This year conspiracy theory is the movie gothic just another Nightmare on Elm Street movie. second question is Villa Diodati on Elm Street? Every town has an Elm Street. That's the reveal. In the end, the camera just goes back a little bit to show the street signs is Elm Street. It's like the scene like a crooked little sign.
01:45:41:15 - 01:46:01:02
And then you hear, like, Freddy's laugh. Yeah. You, because this is a very, it's a very Nightmare on Elm Street ish kind of movie, if you think about it. Yeah. We've talked a lot about this, like, it's one thing. Where does the dream start? Weird is. Yeah. Yep. All right. Yeah. you heard it here, folks.
01:46:01:02 - 01:46:22:10
It is canon. we've proven it. This is a Nightmare on Elm Street movie. What would it with the subtitle be Nightmare on Elm Street. Oh, I know that to make sense to say American Gothic, but it would be like Geneva, a Gothic. Yeah. it's a dumb name. well, it would have to be something with. So you got, like, the.
01:46:22:11 - 01:46:47:03
You got, like, Dream Warriors. You have like. Yeah, the dream child, the dream poet. oh. That's good. Nightmare on Elm Street. Yeah. Dream poet. Oh, it's so good. Yeah. So simple. That would be exactly what it is. Yes, I love it. Yeah. All right. It's it's, Street Weekend at Freddy's.
01:46:47:05 - 01:46:55:26
Weekend? Byron's, Byron is.
01:46:55:28 - 01:47:16:10
The second half of this movie is just Lord Byron, like, dead. And they have to carry him around to pretend he's still hosting this party the like. And that's how Polidori got inspired. He's like, he's dead, but he's alive. Like, that's what a vampire is. He's Dracula. So like, yeah, we've got to drag him through. He's a drag.
01:47:16:10 - 01:47:37:27
Do you say drag him through? He's like, no drag. Who drag cool and had someone to sing your song and they're like, la la la la la la la la la. Like tracks you la, track. That's my story. But it wasn't his story. That was from Stoker's story.
01:47:37:29 - 01:47:57:18
That wouldn't be written until 1987. That whole scene, by the way, is in the book. The vampire or the vampire? Whatever in Bram Stoker read between the lines and was able to come up with all of that. He went on the down into the name Dracula. This whole scene.
01:47:57:20 - 01:48:21:17
What did he what is this episode? What is this movie? What is what is happening tonight? No, I feel like I'm losing my mind. So I'm also on my third coffee. Which is to say, if I had one shot in my first drink, one shot my second drink. And this one has between 3 to 4 shots, this is getting ridic.
01:48:21:17 - 01:48:50:26
I'm like, this is not safe. I am not in a safe space. So this I may as well just chill. Take this trippy juice that they had in the movie, but this is like, yeah, yeah, same effects. All right. Oh my God. We got we, we crossed the mountains that were the breasts with the eyes. yes. that pretty much brings us into we're like into the climax.
01:48:50:29 - 01:49:16:02
We're about. Yes. And so we pivot our focus to Mary's point of view. We're going right. And this and this brings us to our sixth reveal where Doctor Polidori throughout the movie has been like, very kind of like suicidal, I guess towards the end of this, when he starts to like, things are going crazy and he starts to bleed like, I gotta end this, but every time he does it, he's unsuccessful.
01:49:16:02 - 01:49:43:28
Yeah. And so in our sixth monster reveal, as Polidori is trying to hang himself in the barn, he's sitting on a horse. And so basically, like, the horse is supposed to take off and he's supposed to fall, and the horse does take off, but not by itself. It is stolen by our Sasquatch. Werewolf monster. Yeah. and just kind of rides off out of the barn.
01:49:43:28 - 01:50:08:20
Yeah. And, Polidori falls, but the rope isn't tied, right? And he just, like, falls and hits the ground. but that is our sixth official monster reveal. Is the creature, whatever you want to call it. Riding the horse away out of the barn. So, to have his own adventure. It's our last Crusade reference. That's him driving, riding into the sunset.
01:50:08:22 - 01:50:20:01
Yeah, I was so into Photoshop. That shot from Last Crusade, but, like, add another horse with Sasquatch riding away on it with the.
01:50:20:03 - 01:50:59:26
Done. Now, before this. Again, like we kind of mentioned, this is kind of setting up the climax, but there is a specific scene that kind of like launches us into the finale. It's when Mary becomes very aware of kind of the roles that they're playing during this weekend and how significant it is, and also kind of sure, the weight of what they're doing and maybe whether or not like, like this is the moment, like, I can I can embrace it or I can run from it.
01:50:59:27 - 01:51:28:28
Obviously she embraces it because she tells she writes Frankenstein, but she has not yet really had her big finale is when she is confronted by her demons or, you know, the the skeletons in her closet, so to speak. She has this great interaction, Percy, Mary and Byron. And they're and she says that she thinks God is punishing them, but Percy's like, no, like he has like this whole modernist kind of view on religion.
01:51:28:28 - 01:51:56:02
Or he's like, God is dead. And Mary then asks, aren't we raising the dead? Which is kind of implying that they're playing God, you know, like, oh, but they're playing God with God like, so they are they are truly the authors of these horrific events. Okay. Which is very obviously symbolic of like this journey that's going to follow the events of this weekend.
01:51:56:04 - 01:52:31:22
So I really like how they kind of just state it as it is. And also they say they kind of reinforce her kind of reticence and hesitation that comes with finding whatever is in her and confronting it in order to actually turn it into this story, into into art. Oh. But, Percy, the Percy Shelley, Percy was known as Percy Bysshe Shelley.
01:52:32:22 - 01:52:40:06
but I mean, Percy Bysshe Shelley had impressive.
01:52:40:18 - 01:52:58:25
he was known for his atheism, I think, in real life. And that's kind of like gotcha. He, like, went into hiding or something like that. So someone, Ken Russell, they, they they really did their homework with this character in this, in this movie because it all just works. it works when you like. Yeah. When you do the homework.
01:52:58:25 - 01:53:30:12
Do you know that the movie has a more satisfying experience when, after watching it, you read a bunch of shit about it? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. was it is it Percy and, Byron who are trying to convince everybody else to, like, do this science again to kind of reverse it? Yes. So. And it wasn't sure what the bridge was, because I just have this scene where they're in that room again talking about God, yada, yada, yada.
01:53:30:12 - 01:53:51:02
And then cut to there in the basement and we see Claire, but I don't remember how they get there. I think they like, hear Claire and they're like, go get her because we need her gotcha. For this seance. And so they, like, chase her down into the into the basement. And then she's like, which is one of our honorable mentions.
01:53:51:02 - 01:54:11:08
I believe she's like Pharaoh. Kind of like eating a rat, which I love. I was like, I was like, what is this supposed to represent? And then I was like, some people just can't handle the creative process. Jesus, too, obviously can't do it. That's what happens is you just turn into shit eating a rat. You just rigorous. Yeah.
01:54:12:06 - 01:54:34:12
but this is where Mary is, like, I can't take this anymore. And she, smashes the skull that they are using to, like, do whatever to try to reverse this process. And she's like, no, you're just going to make it worse, basically. So she smashes the skull and she picks up a piece of the skull and tries to stab Lord Byron.
01:54:35:10 - 01:54:53:23
But Percy gets in the way. He's like, no, don't do this. Yeah, right. she's like his house rules and kill him when he's a visitor at our house, but not. Yeah, well we can we can ask him over and then you can do this. Just keep that piece of skull with you, and, you can do it later.
01:54:53:23 - 01:55:22:06
Totally mean shit. But we're here. His house. We don't want to be rude. Don't be rude. Don't be rude. so now we are into our seventh and final monster reveal. Where's Mary or Mary? Yes. she is starting to see and hear these visions of her dead son, but she sees him like, sometimes she sees him as, like a stillborn baby.
01:55:22:06 - 01:55:49:21
And sometimes she sees him as, like we talked about earlier. Like what she imagined she would be like five years, 5 or 6 years from now or from then. the, to borrow another phrase from Freddy, the dream child, it's the dream child. Oh my God, it all makes so much sense. but this kind of just, like, wraps up the movie with her having all these, like, weird visions, of, like, what?
01:55:49:21 - 01:56:22:17
She witnesses the birth. Oh, she's like, yeah, she sees that third person view. and she sees, I believe it's Byron with all the leeches on him. Yeah. That's right. She's like has a window into everyone's fear. We're seeing it all manifested very literally. Yeah. Because then Percy's drowning and being buried. Yep. And this is you know this is could be kind of read as like her writing down everybody's little experiences.
01:56:22:19 - 01:56:44:00
Yeah. Kind of like documenting them in her own way. Then she's going to go interpret that into yep into the novel. but then we're just kind of like the mornings over the night or the nights over and it's morning in the mornings. All right. Nice night again. Oh, I got it. Never ends. this is 1408. Okay.
01:56:44:03 - 01:57:14:16
You can you can relive this hour. Yeah. That's where this. I knew you said it was gonna be. There it is. That's right. But it's sort of like guitar is. It's like a harpsichord and. Yeah. and that's that's it. That's kind of, that's it. That's, that's it. that is the wild and trippy gothic whoever on social media said that this movie was fucking wild.
01:57:16:04 - 01:57:36:00
you are spotter, correct? yeah. I didn't know what to expect or what. Define like what? What was what's wild. You know, it's such a subjective term, but I think this is the most objective example of wild. Yeah. So if you if you're listen, if you get to the end of this episode and you haven't seen it, go watch it.
01:57:36:00 - 01:58:11:22
It is it's a trip. Key thing you said there, Danny, if you've gotten to the end of this episode, if you've made it out alive, if you've made it this far, you've survived, a night at Lured By. Yes, this is now we're going to have the most, like, structured part of the episode, because this is like the daylight segment of our weekend at the Villa Diodati, where it's Byron is looking at Mary, and he's like, I know what you're thinking is crazy, but he says there are no ghosts in daylight, which is such a great line.
01:58:11:24 - 01:58:33:26
And then he refers to the night, which I'll refer to our podcast episode as, quote unquote, a little indoor and a little indulgence, which I thought was such a great way to undermine the insanity of what just happened. Or he's just like, yeah, yeah, we're just being crazy. Like we're doing drugs or having sex. We're getting inspired.
01:58:34:00 - 01:58:59:20
Like, on paper, that sounds great. In reality, that's. But they're just like, so calm and collected about it. Yeah. And fucking Polidori, it's like you're have some tea. Have some tea. Lemon tea. We talked about that earlier. I actually do love it even more, showing the flip side of it. yeah. Yeah, I definitely have come around after we've talked about it.
01:58:59:20 - 01:59:18:18
I've definitely come around to being like, okay, this ending was pretty cool. Like, you almost need it, right? You need that start kind of shift in tone to kind of be like to, yeah, I feel like it's like undermining it. But then also to kind of rationalize it and almost it almost makes, you know, because and maybe this is being a little soapbox here.
01:59:18:18 - 01:59:41:05
Corny, but being creative is a scary endeavor. And getting into that career and letting yourself kind of get lost in the creative process, it's obviously not literally this crazy, but it can sometimes feel like that. But to kind of know, like it is still a safe space. You are in control of it. Let it kind of happen, do your thing, and then you can step outside of it.
01:59:41:07 - 01:59:59:16
And yeah, in a weird way, like they're I mean, they're really not I'm kind of just overreaching, but like there kind of like very healthy in the way they do this because it's like we've created this safe environment. We can let all of our inhibitions go be crazy, but we know that we can simply close the door and leave it.
01:59:59:21 - 02:00:28:08
Yeah, enter it as we, you know, enter it willingly as Lord Byron, like the best creative teachers. Yeah, that ever existed. Wow. What do you know? Yeah. Jack never would have thought that from him. Dracula takes and when he sucks your blood. But he also gives you life. Even though you're not. Yeah. Bad metaphor. Yeah, but yeah, I agree, he's a great, great teacher.
02:00:28:15 - 02:00:46:10
Well, this is where this is where Percy and Claire are playing tennis or something in the in the yard. And Percy runs over and he says, he says, Mary, you're here. Do you want to go over our favorite reveals in Ken Russell's Gothic? And she says, my, my dear, I would love to. He said it just like her.
02:00:46:11 - 02:00:57:03
I think actually there was a clip from the movie I just super I cut it in while we were recording.
02:00:57:05 - 02:01:13:03
All on there. I don't believe it. It was. That's how they captured their under the shot dancer and.
02:01:13:06 - 02:01:43:13
Okay, so here is a speedrun recap of our reveals. Our official reveals in Gothic. number one, the knight with the leeches all over his face. Leeches or worms? over his face. So Leech knight boner leech boner knight leech boner knight number two. The little goblin man on top of Mary, also known as for Sally's Monster. The Incubus aka the poster aka the poster from the infamous Raid.
02:01:43:15 - 02:02:11:10
The frontman of this movie. Also Incubus of the frontman. And yeah, something. That's right. the number three. The monster that's sort of like a werewolf thing in the carriage of the barn. Number four the spider. Weird thing. Giving birth to a baby skull in the barn. Number five. Claire on the pool table with her eyeball titties. Number six, the Sasquatch stealing doctor powder.
02:02:11:10 - 02:02:35:24
His horse. And number seven climbing in my ranks because kids in sorry speed around. If I keep talking. And then our last and final reveal is Mary, with the vision throughout the end of the movie with her, her, dead child. so what is your favorite reveal? I guess we know it's Doctor Polidori horror. It's being filmed by Sasquatch.
02:02:36:00 - 02:02:54:04
No, my, actually, mine was a change. I wasn't sure where I wanted to go. There are, like, some obvious choices, and I don't mean that in a bad way. Like, they're the ones that are, like. That's probably objectively the best reveals for the movie. And maybe it's just, I don't know, like it's the newness of it.
02:02:54:04 - 02:03:14:13
It's the freshness. But I think I'm going to go with the skull, baby, with the tentacles in the barn that Percy finds. Okay? Because after you showed me the screenshot of it, we talked about it. And then we even, like, dug into, like what? It maybe represents. That's pretty fucked up. It's pretty disturbing. Yeah. And we'll post a photo.
02:03:14:15 - 02:03:46:04
A photo or post a portrait. not on socials so that you can see, like, all the monsters in this movie because it's pretty, it's pretty intense. It's pretty grotesque. So, yeah, I'm gonna go with, skull tentacle baby thing. Okay? Okay. What about you? I'm going with the little goblin man. Thank you, Miss, because as a child, in my local video store, the poster of this movie, he was.
02:03:46:06 - 02:03:56:21
He owned the video store. He just sat on the counter. It's like, oh, you can order this. He can't rewind.
02:03:56:23 - 02:04:02:27
Don't buy me. I'm just dumpy the house smack.
02:04:03:00 - 02:04:32:21
Oh, I don't, does that new kind of Russell movie kind yet. And, but the poster used to scare the hell out of me, and, and seeing it, basically seeing the poster come to life, essentially in the movie, in the scene, in this movie, really freaks me out. Yeah. because it was like all this fear that I had as a kid of that thing, and then, like, seeing it, like, move a little bit.
02:04:32:22 - 02:04:55:08
Now you're seeing it. It's two of this nightmarish image that you have in your head. Right. so I'm going with, for Shelley's monster, aka the little goblin man's cup of Mary. I'm surprised neither of us chose the, mountain nipple. I seen. Right. It take. It takes so much emphasis. Hey, like, took over almost every conversation we've had today.
02:04:55:23 - 02:05:15:23
yeah. But, you know, it just goes to show this movie's got a lot. If that one's not number one for either of us. I mean, that you can tell there's some some good shit in this movie. well, now it's time for a segment that we like to call the real monster.
02:05:15:26 - 02:05:50:27
Run, run, run as fast as you can, okay? I'm the gingerbread man. You're a monster. I'm not a monster. Here you are. You and the rest of that fairy tale crash poisoning my perfect world. Now tell me, where are the others? Eat me. You're okay. I have three real monsters. Okay. For this movie, for Gothic. I've got. When people get, like, a cut on their finger and they, like, suck the blood off of that, like, that's so gross to me.
02:05:52:17 - 02:06:15:03
not like, not so much like the act of doing it. Like, that's not that gross to me. I'm like, okay, it's nothing but like like because I know what it tastes like. It's like, why would you subject yourself to that if you don't have to? Then it's just like another reminder made out of like, meat in body juice and or just is weird sacks of flesh and juice.
02:06:16:13 - 02:06:57:11
you can, like, cut us in margarine, like, like, who are we? What are you doing? Us? Oh, yes. number two is toxic relationship. That's just kind of, given it's it's shitty. Yeah. and then my third and final real monster is like crazed fans of celebrities. Good one. Like the women at the beginning who like, are, like, tearing the clothes off of Percy as he, like, runs to the house, just like people who are like, so I guess is the word enamored or enamored and, they just don't care.
02:06:57:12 - 02:07:19:05
Just like, obsessed with, like, this. Yeah. And it's just like, it's just a person. Yeah. And you're going to, like, reach out and, like, try to just, like, just touch them. And it's like, you feel like if you touch the person you're going to like, you're life is fucking complete or something. They also kind of like like putting a major blemish on, like what is kind of beautiful about appreciating art and talent.
02:07:19:07 - 02:07:37:04
Sure. You know, it's it's sort of like, I don't know, keep it in your pants. Like, yeah, so to speak. Like, keep it in, keep it inside. You don't have to put it all out there and be weird about it. Exactly like you like express. Express your appreciation for the person or your your love for the person or whatever.
02:07:37:04 - 02:07:56:17
But like, just you got to be civil. I don't know, you're stuck in a weird weird. So those are my real monsters for gothic. Those are good about you, Danny. You got, I've got a few, two of them are a little serious, so I'll save those. But the first one is Percy punching Polidori right in the dick when they're wrestling him.
02:07:56:17 - 02:08:16:21
He literally just keeps, like, hitting him. And I was like, where's he punching him? He's like, oh, my God, he's punching him. Like in the bear. Like, all he has is this veil of like, a thin shirt that's covering him. So never he ran. I was like, stop it. It's, Yeah, it was like, But then I also have.
02:08:16:21 - 02:08:42:00
On a more serious note, I have Byron for sexually assaulting Claire at night. Sure. yeah. And then I also have Byron. Byron is. I mean, he is he's he's the most certainly. I think he might be Dracula like. But the other real monster is Byron for telling Mary that, she's just jealous that Claire is about to have a baby that might live.
02:08:42:02 - 02:09:14:04
So it's thrombosis that she dealt with a stillborn child, which is. Oh, God, give me the worst. So fucking do to anyone. Sure. So, yeah, those are real monsters. yeah. Byron is, you know, we've we've said that our monsters in this movie are they, like, manifestations of their fears, but like. But Byron's the fucking monster in this, like, you've heard people say, like sick burn, but like, in this one, it's like sick burn, comma Gabriel.
02:09:14:06 - 02:09:39:28
It's like someone's reading. Like his fucking like you. You. They put the last name first. Yeah. It's like. Right, right. Yeah, I read it that way. All right, well, now it is time for our last segment. Would you survive a weekend at Lord Byron Geneva estate? And here we go.
02:09:40:00 - 02:10:06:07
So you're asking, would I survive being confronted by and facing the manifestations of my shame and insecurities and deepest fears? Exactly. Zach. I do it every day. So if this ain't surviving and this ain't living, then I don't know what more of an answer you need, but I will give it to you anyways. Yes, if this ain't surviving, then I ain't thriving.
02:10:06:09 - 02:10:34:04
If yeah, if I answer, I haven't, I ain't thriving. If I ain't thriving, I ain't diving into the pool of success which starts as a mess. But God bless. That's when you're playing this, the Nintendo, Super Nintendo I like, I like how you wrapped it up. Nintendo real me so la la as in Dracula. This is a movie about monsters.
02:10:34:04 - 02:11:02:05
How I met them. We just did it. Good night, everybody, but let Zach finish his little ditty because we got a show to do. And then it's up to you to support film and movies. But no more snoozes that star Kevin Kline so that we can talk about Frankenstein. Yes, in Ken Russell's Gothic, which is next in line.
02:11:02:07 - 02:11:27:21
Yep. Bam! Yeah, dude, how did we ever get through an episode without rhyming thing? Well, I would almost say we were more of like, rappers. Like we're rap stars for as the Dad and Hocus Pocus as we're rap singers, we're up. So that is gothic. That's it. That's. Can there be more to talk about? no. That's it, that is, that's it.
02:11:28:27 - 02:11:47:06
if you guys have seen Gothic, which I hope you have after listening, if you haven't seen Gothic and you made it through this whole episode, God bless. Congratulations. Oh, we love you. You are the best. but if you haven't seen Gothic, check it out. You can watch it for free on Tubi. it's definitely worth the watch.
02:11:48:09 - 02:12:14:06
definitely. After talking about it, I like it even more. So give it a give it a look. See? And let us know what you thought. Find us on social media, at how I Met Your Monster. Or send us an email at how I Met Your Monster podcast at gmail.com. And, let us know your your thoughts on Gothic or any other kind Russell movie because, we want to learn more about Russell because he's something to be, Russell in my.
02:12:14:06 - 02:12:39:16
Yeah. Feathers is. That's right. And so with that being said, that wraps up our Writers Shock triple feature series, which means it is time now to announce our newest triple feature, which will be coming directly after this episode. And we. Danny, what what's what's our next triple feature? Our next triple feature. It was actually chosen by Casey, who sadly cannot be here to announce it.
02:12:39:16 - 02:13:06:09
So I will speak on her behalf, like at the Oscars. It's like, I'd like to accept this award on her behalf, but let me accept the responsibility to talk about her triple feature choice. The triple feature choice. It's, It's a creepy one, you guys. it's going to give you the creepy crawlies. And that's because it is bugging out in which we will be talking about insects, movies with insects, Earth.
02:13:06:11 - 02:13:32:14
Gross. Yeah. So bugging out. I am super excited for this creepy crawly, journey through cinematic horrors. and we're talking about three movies, obviously, for Triple feature. So our first feature is ticks off. Our second feature, Casey Pick, is mimic, Carmel del Toros, mimic and Danny. What's going to be our third feature in our Bug and Out triple feature?
02:13:32:19 - 02:14:02:17
our third pick will be the Dario Argento film phenomena, aka creepers. Yes, there's two titles, which I believe is where it was released. I believe it's Creepers in America and phenomena in, in Italy or in other parts of the world. so I am super excited about that triple feature, because as much as I fucking hate bugs, I hate watching bug movies.
02:14:02:17 - 02:14:25:06
I also even see cockroaches. And yet I love mimic. We are doing some fantastic. We have Guillermo two. Really? I don't know who directed ticks, but, actually, I've never seen ticks. But we've got a general del Toro movie with mimic. We've got a Dario Argento movie with phenomena a.k.a creepers, and then we have, Tony Randall. All right.
02:14:25:06 - 02:14:56:05
We got three classic iconic horror filmmakers. You've got that del Toro, Dario Argento and Tony Randall, who was the editor on Hellbound Hellraiser two. Exactly. He was the editor. So for you Hellraiser sequel fans out there, are you Hellraiser Hell Heads? You're in for a treat. And if you feel something, crawling on your legs while you're sleeping, it's probably just the anticipation for this episode of these three episodes.
02:14:56:07 - 02:15:24:12
Oh, yeah. So, okay, let me take that back. Not only was he the editor, but he also directed Hellbound Hellraiser two. Oh, shit. Okay. All right, we're in very good hands, you guys. Yep. And a little one you might know of. Amityville, 1992. It's about time. Oh, Zach's favorite Amityville sequel. Yes. so we are in good hands with this triple feature as, as you say.
02:15:24:15 - 02:15:45:04
And, Danny, in the meantime, where can our listeners find you on social media? Oh, you can find me on various of, like, the popular social media platforms at Danny Slim. It's just my name. Danny. Sally. Me two ends like the candy melt in your butt, not in your hands. Nice, nice, wonderful. I think Lord Byron had some memes up his butt.
02:15:45:07 - 02:16:20:15
He did? Yeah. Yeah, well, he would like. He likes to dip them in blood and then like, oh my God, no no no no no, this fight is over, Lord Byron, we have his overs, dude. Oh, this bit is over. Well, he bit into those Evan ends and thus the bit was created. Nope. Moving up. Hey guys, this is a classic horror movie podcast where we disturb you not only on film, but even in conversation.
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Yes, I am fully disturbed right now. and you can find me on social media at Zach Quintic. And until next time, thank you all for listening. Now go meet some monsters.