Wrapping up our KILLER COMICS triple feature, we’re going all in on Christian blood magic with special guest Michael Varrati to meet the cartoonishly chaotic Collector in TALES FROM THE CRYPT: DEMON KNIGHT, starring Jada Pinkett Smith, William Sadler, Billy Zane, CCH Pounder, Thomas Hayden Church, Dick Miller, Brenda Bakke, Charles Fleischer, and John Kassir as the voice of the Crypt Keeper.
Wrapping up our KILLER COMICS triple feature, we’re going all in on Christian blood magic with special guest Michael Varrati to meet the cartoonishly chaotic Collector in TALES FROM THE CRYPT: DEMON KNIGHT, starring Jada Pinkett Smith, William Sadler, Billy Zane, CCH Pounder, Thomas Hayden Church, Dick Miller, Brenda Bakke, Charles Fleischer, and John Kassir as the voice of the Crypt Keeper.
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Today we continue our Killer Comics triple feature with Ernest Dickerson's diabolical deluge of demons. The Billies are zany. The exploded brain matter is brainy, and the iconic Crypt Keeper puts the R in La La Land as we go all in on Christian blood magic to meet the collector in Tales from the crypt, Demon Knight. You scared me with that.
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Yeah, yeah, I jumped. You're listening to how I Met Your Monster. A podcast that explores the introductions to your favorite movie monsters. My name is Zack. I'm Danny and I'm Casey, and together we dive into the world of horror to find out how filmmakers have introduced us to our favorite monsters time and time again. This is how I met your most.
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Hello and welcome to how I Met Your Monster, the show where we discuss the introductions to your favorite movie monsters. Today we are continuing our user suggested triple feature. Killer comics with tales from the crypt, demon knight. Thank you. Zane. Yes. Thank you. Billy. Zane. Billy's. Oh, yeah. Billy. Zane. That's why he did this. I don't think he recommended this movie, though.
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Oh, I know. That was not a list. He had a long list. This is not what this is. Well, we'll find out, in a little bit. I'm sure we'll talk about it. That even though tales from the crypt is. It was based on comic books. This particular movie, Demon Knight, was not one of the stories where if they were told stories, this was written, specifically just as a standalone movie, but in fact, it was written as a spec or in a completely original script, and then it got repurposed to become a tales from the crypt movies.
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So, yeah, we're not we're not firing on all the cylinders when it's choosing, comic adaptations. It's triple feature. But, you know, we do what we can. You know, this is the first time meeting the Crypt Keeper for us after 137 episodes. Four and a half years. Yeah, but we're not meeting the Crypt Keeper alone. We have a special guest with us today.
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Writer, director, actor and podcaster Michael Verratti. Michael, thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. I am very excited to be here for your initial foray into the world of tales from the crypt. I love this movie and I'm so excited to talk about it with you. We're very excited to have you to talk about it with us.
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But before we, like, get into it, I want to talk about your new movie for a minute. Yes. There's a zombie outside. Yeah, that was why I don't go on.
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Yeah. I watched it earlier this week, and it is, trip. Oh, it's so much fun. Yeah. Dude, I like it. Like, it kept getting, like, more and more meta as as it, like, went on. Yeah. And I just loved that. Yeah. Well, yeah, I tried to go in as blind as possible, and I was like, it takes, like, I won't spoil anything, but like, it takes turns and it is a very fun watch, so.
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Yeah. Be recommended. Well first off, thank you I really appreciate that. And it truly was a movie that was born out of just the desire to do a story that we hadn't really seen or that we hadn't seen in that particular way. I'm very lucky in my career as a filmmaker and screenwriter and producer, that I have worked on a lot of things for other people.
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And I've also been able to do things on a smaller scale for myself. And coming out of the pandemic, I have a kind of a dedicated group of, creative, that I work with that, you know, we work together both in front of and behind the camera. And we had done a handful of short films that did very well for us and that kind of allowed us to explore themes that, you know, we wouldn't have been able to do in the mainstream.
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And it felt like the natural progression to eventually do a feature. And when I sat down and wrote, there's a zombie outside, immediately I said to myself, oh, no studio's ever going to let us make this. So if we do it, we have to do it ourselves. And we did. And, you know, luckily, when I took that banana's script around to everybody in my my little group, no one was just like, what's wrong with you?
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They were like, let's do it. And, the film was made entirely independently. We did it all on our own, and I couldn't be more proud of it. But for it being done completely on our own, I also recognized that we were making something that wasn't going to be for everybody. And that, to me, was to the film's benefit.
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I feel like, you know, there are going to be people who watch it, and they're not necessarily going to jive with what we're doing, and that's totally okay. But the people that I have seen who have really connected with the material have really connected with it, and that's all I could ask. And so I'm very, very, happy with how the film has been received.
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I wanted to make, a queer, strange film that utilizes zombies in a social commentary sort of way that spoke to my Pittsburgh roots. Yet in a very different way than George Romero did it. Because, you know, you can't do what Romero did. Everybody tries, and they fail. So I think that it to me, it was just a matter of telling a story I wanted to see that was a little bit personal that I hoped would connect with people.
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And I'm so glad that, you know, you you liked it. Yeah. You mentioned how it's it's not, you know, like certain movies aren't for everyone. And I think a big problem and you see this a lot with like bigger studio movies is they're constantly trying to, you know, they have those test screenings where it's like, we need to make sure everyone enjoys this.
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And that's usually where a lot of those, usually bigger movies kind of missed the mark because it's there's no it almost like there's no memorability factor to it because it just feels like it's hitting. It's it's hitting all these marks, but it's all diluted. All the marks are diluted. So you can't it doesn't really kind of reach any plateau because it's never given the chance to be like yours is able to.
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I think you just have to ask yourself, what is the goal of your movie? The truth is, there's nothing wrong with popular cinema. It does exist for a reason. Yet in my career I've had the good benefit to work a lot on television, Christmas movies, and I love those movies, but they're very far from there's a zombie outside.
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And it's funny because I've done just enough of them that now a lot of screenwriters and filmmakers will come to me and be like, I want to write a Hallmark or Lifetime movie, but mine's going to be different. And I'm like, I bet you think it is. But they don't want different. There is a comfort and a connect ability to the formula that people look for when they go to those movies, and so that speaks to a very specific kind of audience need.
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Whereas specific art made for specific audiences has to be more honed in. I think to your point, often, I say like, if you make something for everybody, you, you run the risk of making something for nobody, because then who's it speaking to? And that's it. It's like, I love the idea of and test audience in that what's it really for?
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You know, the test audience can be different based on the configuration of people. And it always speaks to this question that producers love to ask. Well, who's this for? Well, if I made the movie on my own, first and foremost, it's for me. I wanted to see it. And the truth is, and this is something that I feel like a lot of artists really need to wrap their head around.
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Not every movie is going to open wide and be beloved by millions immediately, nor should every piece of art be opened wide and beloved by millions immediately. If you make art for personal reasons, and if you affect one other person, then you did your job. Now, of course, the hope is that that one person is two and those two people are 20, blah blah blah blah blah blah.
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But honestly, once you release it to the world, if if one person loves your movie, you got to walk away and just, you know, take solace in the fact that you made a thing that matters to someone that matters to you and move on. You cannot control that. The trajectory of art once it's out. So. Right. Well, this is definitely going to be one of those movies that matters to people because like you said, and again, I won't spoil anything, but it is touched on the queerness of the film.
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Is very front and center. So that's definitely going to have the memorability memorability factor, especially for queer audiences. So thank you. From the care. I'm speaking for the whole queer community. We thank you. Well, I appreciate it. Thank you so much. And also on top of that, like, congratulations on your Fangoria Chainsaw Award nomination. Oh, yeah.
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Thank you. I have to tell you, and I always feel obligated to say this for folks who don't know, I actually have been the writer and director of the Chainsaw Awards for a handful of years now, but I do not sit on the nominating body just to avoid conflicts of interest. I have nothing to do with the films that get nominated.
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So the morning that the nominations were announced, I discovered our film was nominated alongside everybody else when it was in variety. And that's amazing. Shock and surprise to me. I mean, it was really wild and it's very strange. And having been part of the show for so long to be like, oh, not only do I have to put together this show, but now my, my team and I have to actively campaign for our nomination.
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But it felt really good. It felt really good to be seen in that way. And, we've all spoken about it on Team Zombie and we feel like, you know, as cliche as it is to say the honor is the nomination. But when you remember that we did do this entirely on our own, that we paid for it on our own, that it was done in post on our own, that we had to go out and find distribution on our own, that this little movie that was entirely homegrown got noticed by horror fans enough to get nominated in the category, alongside a Shudder original and a Hulu Original.
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And these movies that had millions of dollars. Some of the movies that we are in the category with their, you know, craft services budget was probably the budget. So I feel like, win or lose, that our film affected people enough to land in that space. That's a win. I feel so good about it, and I'm excited that we, we get to party with, the Fangoria Chainsaw Awards this year in that way.
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So thank you so much. Yeah, I mean, a nomination is also validation because you're putting in all this work totally. Everything. The only thing people really see is the final product, which is the movie. So to have that kind of life after, in this way is, is must be really exciting. Now, the only funny thing about being the director of the actual ceremony, the television broadcast is once our film was nominated, all of my, team from zombies, like, well, we're going to be in the show, right?
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And I'm like, okay, okay, so I'm to break this, but, yeah, they might pop up some of them. Yeah. So we'll cameos here and there. Now, before we move on from there's a zombie outside. I have one more little thing that I wanted to ask you. Sure. I was, scrolling through your IMDb page. Oh, no. And I saw,
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Well, no, I want to see if this was on purpose or not. In. There's a zombie outside. There is a scene where the main character is looking through some scripts. Yeah. And I saw a script for The Office is Mine. Yeah, which was a short that you and the the actor in There's a Zombie outside Ben Bauer had written together years previously, right.
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Yes. So was that like, did you put that there like, intentionally as, like a fun little Easter egg? Or was it just like, here's some scripts that are in the file, randomly threw them on a in the scene? No, it's actually the scripts on the bed are in the script of There's a Zombie Outside. We selected every title in.
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Okay. Because you spoke to the fact that there is a slight meta, more than slight meta factor to this film. If you look in the world any time a movie is referenced that directly relates to Ben's character, it's something that already exists. The post already on the wall in his bedroom. Our movies that we have done together are okay in the cabin when he's watching the thing on TV.
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That's actually my partner Brendan, in a short film that we made about a killer garden gnome chasing him through the subway. And those are all movies that exist and have played at festivals. And so there is an intertextuality that, there's a zombie outside. Is is playing with that is fun if you know those films, but not necessary to know those.
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Sure. Yeah. So this is the Wes Craven's new nightmare of zombie movie. Yes. So what's wild about that is I will absolutely say sure, but when people started saying that to me about this movie at our first cast and crew screening, I have to confess to you, I never thought once about Wes Craven's New Nightmare funny, until someone mentioned it to me at a screening.
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That doesn't mean that I wasn't influenced by it. Yeah, sure. And I, Peaches Christ, my co-host of the Midnight Mass podcast we talk about all the time as writers who are big film nerds. Sometimes you directly reference something and you're like, this is it. I'm doing the thing. And then later when you're watching something else and you see something play out in a movie that you loved or haven't seen in years, you're like, oh shit, I also just did that.
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Yeah, forgot about it because that's like how ingrained our love of genre is. Yeah, yeah. So, I, I'm quite sure that the whole Wes Craven's New Nightmare sequence, because I love that movie. I think it's one of the best sequels of all time. It's also one of the best examples of meta horror that we've ever gotten. It's the best piece of metal horror that Wes ever did.
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Sorry. Fans of other franchises and.
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But I think that, yeah, it was not ever direct. But yet looking back, especially something that I do in the movie towards the end, I, I can see yes, I'm sure I leaned on the Spirit of West for that one to show. Oh, I do that whenever I'm writing something. There is times where I'm like, oh, this is such a good idea.
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And then I'm like, oh, wait, wait, wait. And then I get anxiety. So like, did I see this in something that I just don't remember? And then I second guess it and yeah. So yeah, yeah, it's it's inverse or is horrible gross. You know, like there's always that be a little bit of well, it's funny you say that because we're talking about Demon night and, there's in in Demon Night, there's those little like sequences where a character will have, like, this fantasy play out from, you know, the cause of, Billy Zane's character, The collector.
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And then you'll see that they're really just, like, in the room. You know, Willy, for example, he sees the all the girls in there, the topless girls, and he's at the bar. But then Danny, the little boy, just sees him standing there like in the room, right? Nothing's going on, but he's in his head. And I was thinking, man, I've seen these kinds of scenes in other movies.
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But then I was like, wait a second, I haven't seen this movie in like 20 years. Did I really see this? Am I seeing this in another movie or am I remembering this movie? So it's kind of like, which one? Which came first? You know, that's funny, but, well, this is very much like the leprechaun we just did leprechaun, where it's just like, there's kind of like the internalized fantasy sequences and then.
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Yeah, yeah, the the character witnessing it. So, yeah. Feel like you got a lot of that. That was a lot of the early 90s. Supernatural horror kind of played with that. It is interesting, I think prior to the reset that scream provides in 97. I, I always kind of take umbrage with the fact that people say horror of the early 90s was in a slump or a bad place.
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Everyone's like, oh, horror. Like was done with the 80s, and then not till scream. I'm like, no, there was a lot going on. It was just weird. You know, when you look at leprechaun and you look at Warlock and you look at some of these movies, even Demon Knight leans into some weirdness. I don't know if maybe the mainstream audience forgot that this is a genre of subversion, and it's not supposed to just be pretty people in popcorn.
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Eating scenarios, you know? Right? Yeah, you can get strange with it. And I love that. Some of the early 90s, because we were in that transitional phase out of the slasher boom of the 80s, they took weird swings I don't love at all. Like, I think that Warlock is really great, but which master doesn't really work for me, but I get people that do love that.
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But like, they were throwing stuff against the wall to make these things work. Yeah. And also, it's sort of like you're talking about like the subversions kind of had to keep, there needed to be like, kind of like exponentially increasing from where we were in the 80s and like, where do you go? And like, the 90s was kind of becoming just culturally a little bit more watered down compared to the 80s.
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And so I feel like maybe audiences just weren't as interested in kind of seeing that, like the zaniness that is like a lot of the horror movies you're talking about in the early 90s, like they didn't maybe weren't as interested in seeing where that goes. So then when scream comes out and kind of like puts a stopper on it a little bit and kind of resets it, it's like, okay, we kind of did need it.
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Even though, like to your point, I agree. Like Zach is kind of our, you're sort of our I do I do love the early 90s. I think, I love, you know, hearing you mentioned Warlock because nobody ever talks about Warlock, and that's just which is, Warlock is, what's his name? Julian. Julian sands? Yes. Yeah. Richard Grant.
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I mean, Warlock is an exceptional film, and I think that has really great witch lore in it. The the nail in the footprint to stop the witch. I think that's, like, great stuff that, you know, we could, we could do to cycle back. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Now Demon Knight, Michael, I heard you say earlier that you're a big fan of this movie.
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Danny and Casey are you are you fans of this movie? Is this a first watch for you guys? Tell me, tell me what do you. Yeah. So, this is the first time I'd seen it, and, I don't like the title because I wanted a man in armor, but that's okay. Oh. I'm sorry. Okay. Casey, they did have armor, and then they cast William Sadler, and they're like, we don't need it.
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Yeah, he's an he's enough. That's enough. I thought that it was going to take place in the medieval times. So this is one of those movies where I feel like if you wanted to go on and do a bunch of sequels and prequels, sort of like with the predator franchise, they didn't do it just like plays.
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But it's never too late. Billy Zane did say he would be down for a, a Demon Knight sequel. Okay, so you never know. Yeah. And, who was it? Charles Fleischer said he's like, if they were doing Demon Knight six, he's like, I would still be game to be doing this. So yeah, this is one of those movies that feel I mean, I guess we're kind of the whole point of this movie was that it was supposed to be part of a bigger, well, maybe not so much a franchise, but a trilogy.
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So, yeah, yeah, I did like it. I just well, some of it was kind of, I don't know, it felt, you know, you know, I love short movies. But it felt really long. Oh. When I saw, 90. Casey's happy. It felt like three hours. Oh, really? Yeah, I liked it. I just felt like it was never ending.
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Like, I, like, was going to eat dinner, and I paused, and it was only halfway in. Like what? Getting me. So I, I have a soft spot for this movie because this was one I just, I honestly, you watch all the time as a kid with my brother and for whatever reason, I never thought to go back to watch it.
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And I texted you guys when I put it on it, I was just like, genuinely blown away just how entertained I was. I was like, this is better than what I remember. This is incredible. I do think there are portions of it that are certainly dated or feel beholden to the tales from the crypt series of the era, and the HBO kind of trappings of the era, the Dick Miller fantasy sequence where he walks in and all the topless women are there.
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It feels like, all right, I see what we're doing. Yeah, there's so much in this movie that I do think is really, great. And for the mid 90s, pretty rock and roll in terms of its politics, the fact that Jada Pinkett is the final girl. Yeah. And we don't put enough respect on on her performance in this movie in, in kind of the greater pantheon of horror is a disservice.
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But also, I think that, this film just underscores how significant a filmmaker Ernest Dickerson is to me. I mean, here is somebody who, is a legendary cinematographer who kind of really got his start shooting episodes of tales from the Dark Side, but then goes on to shoot like the bulk of the great era of spike Lee motion pictures.
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You know, he does do the right thing. She got to have it. Malcolm X and then as a filmmaker makes this movie and surviving the game and bones, and it's like he crafted his own space as as a master of horror that was so different. But also perfect for the time. Yep. Yeah, yeah. And he, And speaking of Jada Pinkett, it's funny how, I don't know, I just think of, like, how if one thing had had happened, then this wouldn't have happened.
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And then, you know, you know, like the kind of domino effect because he had seen her in Menace to society put her in this. And then obviously a year later was in scream two. And then she has that iconic in this a she's kind of like, I don't know. Everyone always kind of refers to scream two as her entry way into horror, but yeah, yeah, she was great.
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But CCH pounder did it for me. Yeah. My god, 100%. She she's gone. Oh, incredible. This is our second CCH pounder movie. This year. We did we actually started did we start the year or we last year I think we ended last year. End of days. Yeah that's right. Or she was in that and okay. Yeah I, you know, we were talking you had said, Danny, that you had watched it all the time as a kid, and then you hadn't seen it years and you were, you know, kind of flooded with nostalgia.
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Same here. Like when the when the, the opening credits came on and they were just like, oh, yeah, it was like CCH pounder, William Sadler, Jada Pinkett, Thomas Haden Church. I was like, what? I forgot about all the well, yeah, I forgot they were all in this movie. In the nostalgia even goes back to, just the tales from the crypt of it all, because that's another show that I again, as a kid, I don't think I ever actually, I think I was too young to sit down or we just didn't have HBO, which is to watch it.
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But it's one of those things where you were just so familiar with it because he was, you know, the Crypt Keeper as such. And there's like Geist, and he is sort of that entryway into horror for kids, especially, so that was really special because it also made me wonder why we're not, why we don't see this character more often, especially these days.
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But right. It's never too late. Yeah, he still holds up too. He looks so good. Looks amazing. Oh, yeah. So fun. I don't know, I also feel like that that type of humor just feels very timeless. It's it's just silly enough. Yeah. And we did get a kind of like, it kind of started to make, like, a little bit of a comeback with Creepshow on.
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Yeah, on from 20 years ago. It's weird, like, not the Crypt Keeper, but, you know, that style of of show kind of had a little bit of a resurgence there. Yeah. I don't think the creep is as funny as the Crypt Keeper though. No, no I agree to yeah. To be honest, I feel like I always conflate the two.
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So then when I think of the creep, I can't not think of the Crypt Keeper. Yeah. And then so it just maybe, I don't know, maybe I'm, I'm misremembering because I'm thinking of the movie Creepshow, but just the creep talk in the Creepshow series. So that's my problem too, is I always think of. Yeah, I don't think so too.
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That's where my memory goes to. And then I just keep thinking of, yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Because I always think of the creep from the first movie where it doesn't speak. So like comedy wise, it's like Buster Keaton and the first like George Carlin or something. Yeah, yeah, because. Because in Creepshow two, he does speak. I believe I'm like trying to remember that he's like a, he's like delivering his the plant.
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That's like the through line story is that he gets the giant Venus flytrap to that kid. Okay. Yeah. I don't think he speaks in the show. I do know that in the in the original tales from the crypt comic books, the Crypt Keeper shared the hosting duties with two other, ghouls served there. There's a name for him, and I, it's escaping me right now, but, they didn't start out funny like, that kind of gradually came throughout the comics.
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But they started out just actually just, like, creepy. Well, and there was tales from the Crypt Keeper cartoon that was on Saturday morning that was sort of like a more safe for kids version of tales from the crypt. And all three of those EC comics hosts exist. In the cartoon. There's like the old witch, okay, and the the Vault Keeper.
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Keeper and other guy like, I don't remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because then they also did a reboot of the comics in 2007, and they reintroduced The Vault Keeper and The Old Witch into it, and it was a fairly short run, but, at least they were still kind of paying homage to the, the roots of the, of the series.
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Okay, okay, which debuted in 1950, which is crazy like predated, like Alfred Hitchcock Presents The Twilight Zone and predated the Comics Code, I think. Well, yeah, it's funny because it ended in 55, and one of the reasons was because of the Comics Code, which was, if you're not familiar, I did a little bit of research on this earlier where it's like they kind of thought that comic books were like making kids little dickheads.
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And so they're like, I mean, stop this. Sounds like we're all little dickheads now. I think that was because of our parents. Danny. Yeah. And, that's kind of where the the tales from the crypt stopped once that once that came out in 1955, but. Okay, let's jump into it. Are you guys ready to head to. Okay, I have the name here.
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Wormwood, New Mexico. You guys ready to go to Wormwood? New Mexico? And I was on my way there anyways, so it. Well, the Mission Hotel, which was shot and which is not even an exterior location, which is funded. It was shot in an air hangar. Yeah, not too far from where I'm sitting right now in. Oh, really? Yeah.
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Yeah. So okay. Yeah. That was a very cool shot though, as like, they like walk up to the Mission Hotel. He's like, oh yeah. He's kind of like leading him there. And then the lightning's crashing and it's very clearly like a composite of something. But it, it looked cool. Yeah. All right, let's go to Wormwood.
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And.
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Terror. Okay, so for demon Night, tales from the crypt, demon night, we have 11 official reveals. And if you are brand new to the show, a monster reveal is any time a monster is revealed to the characters in the movie, or to us as an audience member. So, Danny, this was your pick for our Killer Comics triple feature.
00;27;58;22 - 00;28;19;19
Could you please read the synopsis? From IMDb? I'd love to high level demons collect low level demons as warriors in attempt to obtain a key containing the blood of Christ. The key is guarded by immortal warriors called Demon Knights, which in fact do not wear suits. If I'm not sure who's to blame here, is it the at the phrasing or my the way I read it?
00;28;19;19 - 00;28;43;28
But no, it was, it was, isn't this kind of, yeah, yeah. But yeah, I mean, that's pretty much what it's about. To not directly mention. Billy Zane, though, is, it's a crime. It's hurting the the movie's chances. Yeah. And so we'll just jump right into it with our very first reveal. I feel like this should be kind of like a bigger deal, but this is the first time we're meeting the Crypt Keeper.
00;28;44;00 - 00;29;06;07
Yeah. Very weird. And we get the amazing, very iconic tales From the crypt intro. Yeah. Which is so fun. That music is fantastic. Stick that Danny Elfman. Yeah. Is that Danny Elfman? The very Danny Elfman score? Yeah. Okay. I love how Danny Elfman always kind of just sneaks in and does like a little like moment for movies that he's not doing the full score.
00;29;06;07 - 00;29;30;18
And you can always tell. Well, it's funny when you listen to, when you watch Nightbreed, you can very much hear like a Batman esque kind of score with Nightbreed at the beginning. I don't know if they came out around the same time, but it was like, oh yeah, these are very similar. I always think of, in Jurassic Park when, John Hammond is saying he's like, explaining to em when he's giving them the kind of, the tour of everything.
00;29;30;18 - 00;29;50;11
And he's like, you know, later they'll be like the music, the bom bom bom and like, oh, that's going to be the Danny Elfman. And they're just going to do a little Danny Elfman insert. I almost feel, yeah, I know it's not really an inside wink or something, but it feels like it. Yeah. But if you like said that John Hammond was like, I know just the process of Danny Elfman, Danny and, well, they did spare no expense, so.
00;29;50;13 - 00;30;09;10
Exactly. But Danny Elfman is an expense. It's a worthy expense for the expense, for sure. An expense nonetheless. But could you imagine the kind of monster you'd have to be if this show came out now? And there was a skip intro button, and you clicked that during. Oh, yeah. You know this dude? Yeah. Get the fuck out.
00;30;09;10 - 00;30;27;17
Real monster. I mean, my whole life, watching this show, whenever we, you know, blow through those doors and then go into the hidden like catacombs, there's always a part of me that's like, what's the rest of this house look like? I, like, just walk around the house from tales from the crypt. Also, he lives in the basement.
00;30;27;17 - 00;30;59;04
You could probably have, like, a real sweet, like, shared roommate situation where, like, oh, yeah, yeah. I ask my husband because he kind of like, watched the opening credits with me and I was like, how can we, you know, obviously it's like that fan. It's so like when we're rich, you know, when it's again when money is no expense, how can we get this without it being this, like without the dirtiness of it and the cobwebs, but still kind of maintain that esthetic.
00;30;59;04 - 00;31;17;13
And he was like, I don't know, like I don't know what are you talking about? I was like, I just need like a trap door. And yeah, the swirling stone staircase into my dungeon office. And I would be a very happy person. Well, I think when it's dirty, it's a haunted house. And when it's clean, it's the house from an Agatha Christie movie.
00;31;17;13 - 00;31;47;06
So it's. Yeah, there's just like murder. When it's clean, it's a haunted home. But, Yeah. The Crypt Keeper, voiced by John Cashier. Yeah, yeah. Long running voice actor. He's done. You know, he did voice work for Disney's Pocahontas. Tiny Dude Adventures, rocket power, who's also. I don't know if you guys are fans of Adventure Time, but he did the, at least I think it was for the pilot or whenever the Ice King first shows up.
00;31;47;12 - 00;32;10;25
He was the original voice for the Ice King, and then they they ended up recasting him. Oh, okay. Which is crazy. I used to work for Channel Predator, which created Adventure Time. Did you really? Yeah. I had such a good job. You can't see it on this wall because of the way the camera is affixed. But I have artwork of Peppermint Butler as a, monster saying, from your bones, which came for this show.
00;32;10;25 - 00;32;32;11
So incredible. I used to do, we used to go to a lot of conventions and do, like doing cosplay with my friends, and, we came this close to doing an Adventure Time group cosplay. I cannot now, I can't remember what his name was. He was the the very moody vampire who was sort of the are you talking about Marshall Lee Marshall League?
00;32;32;11 - 00;32;52;18
Because I was like, it's not Marceline. Marceline is the vampire. Yeah. Marshall. Thank you. Marshall is the flipped universe version of Marceline because yes, that's in the Fiona and Cake universe. Yeah, I know too much about it. Oh, yeah? Yeah, we love we're context queens here. We love our context. So, yeah, anything you can offer, we'll take. Yeah.
00;32;52;21 - 00;33;13;24
But yeah. Great little. It's weird because it's funny how I'm curious how people who aren't who didn't grow up watching tales from the crypt, how you respond to something like this because it is so separate from the tone of the movie Demon Knight. So yeah, which I love. Well, I can tell you that Griff didn't care. Griff didn't care.
00;33;13;25 - 00;33;37;22
Okay. No. All right. Was he familiar with, like, with tales from the crypt with. Oh, I have no idea what he has. No idea what tales from the crypt is. That's hilarious. Oh, okay. Okay, okay. Yeah, I love that. It was, like, kind of like a false beginning to this movie where, yeah, you know, you get the the cheating wife and the thing and the the bat of, vaginal Erica as the acid and stuff.
00;33;37;22 - 00;33;55;17
Yeah, it's the ex corpse. I think this is besides the point, but I think that this that that woman was based on Carla Faye Tucker, who was a woman who was convicted in 1984 of murdering two people with an ax. And she said she had an orgasm when she killed them. Oh, damn. Oh. So just throwing that out there.
00;33;55;20 - 00;34;27;11
Thank you. Okay. Context. Love it. Yeah. Also, I think, we would be remiss to overlook the fact that the effects in this movie are absolutely insane. They're stupid even in, like, what should be kind of played as a comedic bit. It's gross. Like it's naked. Some nasty. Yeah, I just watched, I just saw the movie, together last night, and I would, I mean, the effects in the movie are absolutely incredible, and I think that's kind of stands toe to toe with something like that in terms of body horror.
00;34;27;13 - 00;34;51;18
Okay. Well, ironically, with this beginning, this is the only true moment that feels like a tales from the crypt episode, because tales from the crypt. I do think the quality of the effects on the show were really great, because they had that HBO money at the time, but, the show itself, I always say I don't really think of Tales from the crypt, even though it is a horror series and it is horror.
00;34;51;20 - 00;35;11;13
They're not really horror stories, because horror really is bad things happening to good people. But if you're the tales from the crypt stories, if you don't do wrong, you're going to be fine. This is the second. Now, granted, the infractions can be minor, like you're jacked up, you're going to die. But yeah, yeah, yeah, they always were tales of comeuppance.
00;35;11;13 - 00;35;37;16
You know, it's it's a just desserts horror story. And so this here is like this. This woman killed somebody. John Larroquette comes creeping in for the ax murder of it all. And then to your point, because Demon Night was a preexisting script, it's really far and away very different from anything we ever got in the show. And we don't really get to Tales From the crypt movie that delivers kind of tonally the show until Bordello of Blood.
00;35;37;23 - 00;35;59;18
Yeah, I saw Bordello of Blood in the movie theater with my mother. Who was. There's the mistake. Who was a at the time, he's kind of changed his tune now, but at the time, she was a big Dennis Miller fan, and, she wanted to see it because of him. And I probably wanted to were like friends.
00;35;59;18 - 00;36;20;27
But, yeah, I was like 10 or 11 or something really big. Dennis Miller fan, you know, like, I love his politics. I want to see where it goes. But dude, like thinking about this now, like sitting in a movie theater being like, oh my God, you know, because fucking wild. That's a different conversation. Well, also just to kind of build off of that.
00;36;20;29 - 00;36;46;00
Yeah. The original, not the original. What the screenwriters, Ethan Rice and Cyrus Voris, actually two of the three. But they had written the original spec. It's not that they were, like, fighting the system or anything, but the the studio was kind of saying, like, we really do need to pivot quite a bit to get the tone right, because they wanted to do something that was a little bit more action horror, and the studio was like, no, we have to lean into the monsters.
00;36;46;00 - 00;37;08;27
And and also in terms of, like you mentioned, Michael about, how Bordello of Blood felt more kind of aligned with tales from the crypt. There actually was this was supposed to be the first in a planned trilogy. They got to the second one with Bordello of Blood. The third one was supposed to actually be, from Dusk Till Dawn, and they just couldn't.
00;37;08;29 - 00;37;25;23
It was turned a this is from their words. They said Tarantino. They just kind of cut a deal with him that, that made sense for what they could afford. So it didn't work out. But when you look at From Dusk Till Dawn, obviously there is it's a very much a Robert Rodriguez movie. It's very much written by Tarantino.
00;37;25;25 - 00;37;52;16
But when you look at even down to the similarities with the monsters and the effects, there are these parallels that are. So it's actually shocking now that we just did From Dusk Till Dawn a few episodes ago, and I, I was making notes while watching the movie about these similarities that I was finding, and then later, after the fact found out this fact and it was like, oh yeah, that makes so much sense.
00;37;52;19 - 00;38;09;02
Yeah, it's a real moment. I think that Tales From the Crypt culturally had such an esthetic and such a vibe that when you discover something was written for it but not used for it, and then you have that in your brain, you can start seeing it. One of the most famous Hollywood examples that was not part of this trilogy.
00;38;09;02 - 00;38;27;07
You're talking about, that is a movie that is very beloved by cult fans that most people don't know was written as a tales from the crypt movie. But then when I say it, people are like, wait, of course it was. Is Death Becomes Her Death because her was intended to be a tales from the crypt movie directed by Robert Zemeckis, who is an executive away from The Great.
00;38;27;08 - 00;38;50;28
Yeah. And once you know that death Becomes Her was originally intended to be Tales from the crypt, it is the most tales from the crypt movie when God. But that's wild. Yeah. You know, that's so funny. Now I want to go back and rewatch it just with that lens. That's so have you done, Okay, so on your podcast with peaches.
00;38;50;28 - 00;39;19;21
Christ, Midnight Mass, you two cover cult movies? Not necessarily just cult horror. Yes. But cult movies. Have you done, that becomes her. Yeah. We did. Death Becomes Her. A couple years ago, our guests were Vendela, Kramm and Jinx Monsoon and Gwyneth Sanchez from Creepshow. Oh my God, what a lineup that's so wild. Oh, oh. All right, so listeners, go, if you haven't already, listen to Midnight Mass.
00;39;19;23 - 00;39;41;19
We couldn't recommend it highly. It, you know. Yeah. It's incredible. And definitely I'm going to be checking out that episode, so I think. Yeah, yeah. And you mentioned, Robert Zemeckis as a producer of tales from the crypt. Like, there was so many big producers that kind of put this show together. Just a few I have written down here Gilbert Adler, Walter Hill, Joel Silver, Richard Donner.
00;39;41;21 - 00;40;01;22
It's just incredible how they just came together, like, all these huge names and made this, this show. But, well, it's funny, I didn't put this together, but Charles Fleischer, who plays Wally, was the voice of Roger rabbit. So that's there's a nice little, you start to see the DNA kind of bubbling up. Yeah, yeah. Let's jump to our.
00;40;01;22 - 00;40;23;07
We've talked about the Crypt Keeper. Let's jump to our second official reveal, which is Billy Zane, aka The Collector. Yeah, we get introduced to him. We don't know. We haven't established the fact that he's a villain. There's like, the the chase scene between him and, breaker William Sadler's character and then it all kind of everyone kind of converges in this very like siege setting.
00;40;23;14 - 00;40;42;27
Yeah. Because at that point you don't know, you know, one of them's a bad guy, but you really don't know who. Yeah. At this point and, I don't think, you know, we'll refer to him as the collector. I don't think his intro as a monster, you can refer to him as whatever you are referring to, Mrs. Proper, Billy Zane, the name still isn't.
00;40;43;00 - 00;41;08;12
Well, this isn't even Titanic. We should call him whatever his name was in Titanic. Cal? Cal? Yeah. That's right, the Cal, the collector. This is now becoming a running famous killer comics, triple feature where we keep renaming like, one of the central characters. We feel like it was always. Yeah, Dale. Oh, you know, stranger to comics. Because he also was in the Phantom, right?
00;41;08;14 - 00;41;31;25
That's right. Yeah. What was that? Was that not 95 or 96? That's good. Questions. I almost feel like they came out because after this he did. Titanic was 96 and someone had kind of well, someone suggested that it was this performance that got James Cameron's attention. But I don't know if that's true, because then the James Cameron watch movies.
00;41;31;27 - 00;41;52;09
So he was writing the fifth avatar movie. He didn't have a time. The Phantom was 96. Yeah. So it was. It wasn't following year. Yeah. He was like, I haven't really hammed it up enough in this movie. I feel like I need, And then he just looks over at that purple suit and. Yeah, but his his performance in this is incredible.
00;41;52;11 - 00;42;10;19
They all all of them are they're all really good in this movie actually. And I don't think he could have been introduced as a monster in a better way than the way he punches that fucking cop. All he did was punch him in the mouth and rapist. Yeah. What do you mean? Yeah. It's amazing. I love, you know, it's such a good gag that his hand gets stuck and he's, like, flinging them around.
00;42;10;19 - 00;42;30;06
And then finally he just pops his head off and oh my God, that was I was cracking up. That was so good. So two things about this. So Billy Zane said that he was playing Robin Williams as Genie. If Robin Williams as Genie came from hell. So there was this idea of, you know, it was kind of cartoon rules, cartoon logic where anything could happen.
00;42;30;08 - 00;42;53;02
And he wasn't playing it to be scary. He was just playing it to be performative. But also one thing I could not overlook was the fact I don't know how familiar you guys are with, Stephen King. Like, if you've read any Stephen King books that specifically, include Randall Flagg. Oh, yeah. I could not like this was the most Randall Flagg.
00;42;53;04 - 00;43;14;13
This is one of my like I know it's obviously not Randall Flagg, but it feels the most Randall Flagg of all the Randall flags we've seen put on screen. I just did as you guys know, I did my deep dive into the Dark Tower universe, where Randall Flagg is a little bit more prominent in different ways, and you see different colors of him and how he plays.
00;43;14;15 - 00;43;40;22
He plays maniacal in exactly this way, where it's, it's to sort of throw you off, not necessarily to kind of outright frighten you. Yeah. Okay. I would just say that this, the collector is having more fun than Randall Flagg ever had. 100%. Yeah, yeah. Randall Flagg is playing by a lot of there's a lot of rules that he's kind of aligned with in this one.
00;43;40;22 - 00;44;12;04
It seems like he's just kind of doing whatever he wants. Well, also, this character, The collector, was originally supposed to just be the devil, and then they sort of okay it to. Maybe not make him as all powerful because obviously, spoiler alert, he dies and he actually. No, actually, he he actually has a very Randall Flagg ish ending where I hope this isn't a spoiler, but Randall Flagg is this being that when he dies, he basically is, reincarnated.
00;44;12;04 - 00;44;27;18
So he we get that in this one. Hopefully you see it. I've read The Stand, but I did not know that he was. I haven't read any of The Dark Tower. I didn't know he was a big character in that. Yeah, the stand actually. Yeah. I think he would like The Dark Tower. It's it's. They do I really would.
00;44;27;18 - 00;44;48;05
Yeah, yeah. The stand plays a very big part in that series, but I will say no more. They are supportive texts. Okay. Supportive okay. Yeah I did, I did I was going down these. Oh, God. When you enter the world of Stephen King on YouTube and you get diehard Stephen King fans, I literally had a map.
00;44;48;05 - 00;45;08;00
I had this whole Google Doc, Google Doc map of how to read what order. And there there was a lot of I debate as to like which of the supportive text. The other books that Stephen King is written that are either partially or directly connected to the Dark Tower universe, like what order? Yeah. You know, there is something to be said.
00;45;08;00 - 00;45;31;16
I mean, I love Stephen King. I've been reading Stephen King since I was a kid, but he he gets complicated sometimes. And every now and then, you just want a horror author who's just, like Dean Koontz loves dogs. And the story, you know? Yeah. Dude, speaking of the Phantom, he did, Phantoms, I think, in 1990. So everything's just like they were piled into this one year.
00;45;31;23 - 00;45;54;03
Just changed to the horror genre. Yeah, and that's a movie, you know? You know, you're talking about, like, early 90s and movies like Warlock that, you know, you mentioned Warlock in which message. So I'm going to stick with the here. If Dean Koontz made a book called watchers is, I think of you referencing with With the Dogs and, that was a movie with was it Corey Hamm?
00;45;54;05 - 00;46;10;17
Corey. Corey Hamm. Yeah, and that was a fun movie. And they're like, I mean, it's been years and years since I've seen it, so I don't know if it holds up, but that's one that, just kind of fell by the wayside that you don't really hear about anymore. Well, if you didn't know, there are four watchers movies, so.
00;46;10;19 - 00;46;37;24
Oh, okay. I'm in the dog have their misadventure. There's three more, one of which stars The Beastmaster, Masked Singer Part three has wings, Hauser, and part four is a soft reboot with Mark Hamill. So. Oh, dude, I am going to go down. No harm to Hamill. Yeah, dude, good to know. That's awesome. Thomas Haden Church in this movie, by the way, is so deplorable.
00;46;37;26 - 00;46;57;10
Yeah. Which is that means he's doing the assignment super. Well, like he two cases point. They all are really good in this movie. Yeah, but he's playing such an awful person that, like, the the clock starts ticking. I'm like, this guy needs to die. Like, I cannot wait for him to go. And he just kept getting he kept getting worse.
00;46;57;10 - 00;47;14;05
And I was like, oh, yeah. I was like, oh, he's a real monster because he did this. And then like, he did something else that was really bad. And I was like, oh my God, okay. We did. When we were going over our, our monster reveals, I considered I was going to say, do we include his approach is this approach and approach?
00;47;14;05 - 00;47;35;05
But I was like, oh, it's more of an honorable mention. He sort of is kind of just playing into the horror of it. But, there is a line when, you know, we're very, kink friendly on this, on this show, which we've, we've stated in the past, and there's a scene where, Thomas Roach is, walked in on as he's having sex with.
00;47;35;05 - 00;48;05;01
Who is it with? Cordelia. Cordelia? Yes. Yeah. And he's there doing some nipple play with, what do you call, jumper cables? Yeah. And he's like, my my nipples are smoking because she just. And I was like, Thomas Hayden church. Your nipples are, in fact, smoking, so. Thank you. He looks fantastic. He like, you know, just along with Billy Zane, kind of like on different ends of the spectrum, but, like, they're, they're, their delivery of lines and their performances are just so good.
00;48;05;01 - 00;48;23;06
And, like, everything they do is just, Thomas Haden Church, so just, you know, just one of a kind. Yeah. They said, Ernest Dickerson said that when they were on set, they said Thomas Haden Church was just a really pleasant actor on set. And he said the first time they met, he gave him, they hugged, and he was like.
00;48;23;10 - 00;48;42;27
And he told Ernest Dickerson, he said, you're you're one of the best smelling people I've ever met. And I was like, oh, thank you. Guys. Now here, here's some nipple clamps. Yeah. Now put these on your nipples. Yeah. When you see those two clamps, by the way, it's not just the bra metal. I'm like, are those. Yeah.
00;48;42;27 - 00;49;04;24
The flesh. I'm a little concerned, like, you know. Yeah. No kink shaming though. Kink shame kingdom. However. And I'm more so worried like shouldn't they be putting like a little like protector on top of that. Yeah, maybe. Well, even if you did like, I don't know if you could do like a rubber kind of like on the teeth of the clamp.
00;49;04;24 - 00;49;24;15
Yeah. But even then the pressure is so strong to rubber ground it. So like you went, oh, that's true. You could have. Yeah. You really got they wouldn't get the same take out. Yeah. He had a decision to make. He's like am I going for the pressure or am I going for the for the shock. And yeah. Yeah that's that's the gamble you take.
00;49;24;21 - 00;49;52;28
Yep. Yeah. Listeners, welcome to our new, offset podcast about nipple clamps. And we're going to do deep dives every episode. Yeah, it's part of our Choke Me Daddy segment. That's right. Okay. Our third reveal. Demons are born from the weird, like, antifreeze blood that Billy Zane has. Yeah, dude, when I was a kid, I used to, like, I would doodle all the time and draw things.
00;49;52;28 - 00;50;09;12
And I always drew, like, these little demon characters with their, like, little, their round heads and their pointy faces and that little hair that came off the back. And when they were first brewing out of there, they looked very xenomorphs. Yeah. Oh, sure it was. That was I was thinking, pumpkin. I was thinking pumpkin head. Well, same thing.
00;50;09;14 - 00;50;26;15
Pumpkinhead. Yeah. Same thing. Yeah. You know, also, this is where I made my first note was that I thought they reminded me of the bat vampires from From Dusk till Dawn. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I know I don't I don't think I saw what little research I did on this part of it with the with the effects.
00;50;26;15 - 00;50;47;22
I don't think there was a through line. I could be wrong. It was just kind of like a happy, happy accident. Strange coincidence. But, it was directly inspired by Jason and the Argonauts when the skeletons are coming out of the earth. Okay. Yeah, yeah. So it's Jason and the Argonauts by way of a pumpkin head. By way of Jason in the.
00;50;47;25 - 00;51;12;02
When he's flinging his blood around, it's just like it's very loose. I'm just. The blood is very thin. I feel like he's on his unholy mission, but maybe should consult a physician afterwards. Yeah, so not that it's green or glowing. Oh, no. There needs to be more coagulation. Like, I'm worried about the collectors kind of just general health.
00;51;12;05 - 00;51;34;19
Maybe needs more like supplemental vitamins. I'm not sure, but. And that was all Billy Zane, by the way. That was not in the script. He just came in and was like, I got just roll the camera, I got, I got you, I got you. I think this one. But I, you know, they had the effect where they like, if you shoot, you have to shoot them in the eyes and then, like, their souls are being set free.
00;51;34;21 - 00;51;52;29
That was a cool, like, explanation, you know, for their for that zapping effects. Yeah. We get a little goes for them here. We get that. Obviously, they're from Billy Zane's blood. They shoot out the green electricity, you got to shoot him in the eye. And then we find out about the Christ blood. The, that creates force fields.
00;51;53;01 - 00;52;21;23
Oh, yeah. The entire demon force field, which is very convenient. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Casey spots Casey. No. So we only hear from Casey. Would she, like, really dislike something? That's all you hear from me? I'm just. I'm weird. I'm feeling weird today, but, No. So, Michael, I don't take notes on these movies. Full disclosure, so I don't know where we at, where we're at right now on this movie.
00;52;21;25 - 00;52;41;01
But the whole, like, Jesus thing, was. It was pretty corny, you know? You know, it reminded me those flashbacks reminded me. And we're going to get to one here, which is actually where you can just jump to it. This is our next perfect. Yeah, yeah. This is the, Danny, you had a name for him. The demons in the the Golgotha demons.
00;52;41;01 - 00;53;00;27
Okay. Jerry. Christ. Crucifixion. It very much reminded me of a Ken Russell movie. Yeah, I can see that. Very like I thought that, too. The flashbacks or the the intercuts in layer of the white worm layer of the. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Not even just the fact that it's the crucifixion, but the way the sky looks like little details like that.
00;53;00;27 - 00;53;22;07
Oh, yeah. Think of it. Yeah. It's like very exaggerated colors and yeah, it was pretty cool. Yeah. It's sort of just like there was a crucifixion, but the sunset was amazing. And you get. You should have been there this game. Yeah. Is that a demon? No, no, no, just hold on. We only have a few more seconds. The sun's going to.
00;53;22;09 - 00;53;49;11
That demon like creeps up on him, and he's like, this way. And you're like, he's got, like, his paintbrush creeping up, and he stops. He's like, what's. It's like, that was it Norman Rockwell where he's like, looking off to the side of the painting? Yeah. As he's, even Jesus is like, damn, father, wait. Hold on. I guess it would be God's work, though, so thank you.
00;53;49;14 - 00;54;12;11
Yeah. Really sending him off. Oh, this is getting dark. I'm so getting a little dark, but, hey. Yeah. Okay. So. Yeah, that's when, they give him a name, right? Dickerson. Is that Dickerson? Oh, yes. You're wearing to the demon night. Yeah. When breaker is, telling the story later, he does mention that that man's name, it was it Dickerson.
00;54;12;14 - 00;54;29;24
Well, Dickerson is the soldier who he gets the key from. Not. Okay, there's there's not going to be a man named Dickerson on the hill at the crucifixion. Well.
00;54;29;26 - 00;54;58;09
That is an excellent point. It's Mary Magdalene's, brother Dick or stick or something. Yeah. Richard Richardson. Yeah. They're like, here's Steve of Nazareth. Such a good point. Such a good point. But that is, that's the it's it would that be do we think that's the first time that that specific night met one of the demons?
00;54;58;16 - 00;55;21;09
So we can we can consider this an official monster reveal? I think so, because he was taking the blood from Jesus. Right. And then filling the the key was Jesus the first demon night? Oh, I mean, maybe it's because, I mean, he he was they they get the blood from the demon nights. Do you know what I mean?
00;55;21;09 - 00;55;37;16
Like, if there were a roundtable of demon nights, I feel like Jesus would be the Arthur. Okay. Roundtable. Right. But isn't the blood? The blood is from Jesus, but. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I guess he's Jesus, so I guess he's important, even if he's not a demon. Night, right? I don't know, yeah. Maybe he was the news. Yeah.
00;55;37;16 - 00;56;03;00
The first you just the original the OG. See Casey when they were pitching the movie, had you asked that question in the room it would have deacon you. I can feel the screenwriters being like well we've like no, They would have had to have included more Jesus in the movie. Yeah, yeah. Or they would have like come up with some complicated, like, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen history.
00;56;03;03 - 00;56;17;08
Well, there was a very complicated history of demon knights that include Jesus, King Arthur and Harry Houdini or some shit like that. Yeah. And this and Steve of Nazareth. Yeah. The Steve of Nazareth.
00;56;17;10 - 00;56;49;15
God. Okay, let's jump to number five. This is Cordelia after her. So, Billy Zane, the collector, is, like, throughout the movie. He kind of invades all these people's thoughts and tries to, like, seduce them to his his the darkness, seduce him to the dark side, basically. And, Cordelia is the first one to cave and, poor Wally, which we find out later, maybe had some sinister intentions, but.
00;56;49;17 - 00;57;19;26
Yeah, well, he was a great guy. He was. He was a nice guy. Yeah, it. So it's always the quiet ones, though. It's the quiet way. Not always, but, you know, I, I do feel like, with Cordelia's kind of monster transformation. This is a very, like tales from the crypt series thing where, you know, we talked about how the series love to walk that line of the sexy scares, like, because it was HBO, because it was that moment that was considered taboo.
00;57;19;28 - 00;57;44;06
And I think it's fun. And the monsters are fun. Definitely. With the lens of time, I feel like it's sort of a bummer that they're like, okay, well, she's a prostitute, so we're going to make her a kind of the first one to succumb and become a daughter. Whereas I think maybe today we could have explored that more, or maybe not had it be like her air quotes and morality be the thing that causes her to to crumble.
00;57;44;08 - 00;58;06;25
Yeah. Because I don't know. Well, actually, she just is like a very vulnerable woman though, too. Yeah. Like, I don't think it's necessarily about the fact that, like, since she's a prostitute, she's a bad person. But they also played on the fact that, like, she's a prostitute, so she's very vulnerable because she's obviously got a lot of issues that have led her to that point.
00;58;06;25 - 00;58;27;00
Like, oh, that's that's a really good point. Yeah, yeah. But this is where we get one of those, like, cool transformations that I had forgotten about. You know, all I remembered about this movie that I loved was like the actual demons that, like, come up from the ground. I forgot that the people turned into demons. And just like, kind of transform, you know, she.
00;58;27;02 - 00;58;57;17
If I'm not mistaken, it's her who, like, kind of gets big and she's got like, a tail and or or like head kind of splits apart and then she, like, starts to run away and they shoot her and her eyeballs squirt out. Well, this is also sort of like we were talking about in the From Dusk Till Dawn episode, where the rules of like, what these vampires are kind of are aligned with vampire lore, but then also kind of expand to the point where we're like, maybe they're not technically vampires, they are just like what they play by certain rules of vampires.
00;58;57;17 - 00;59;22;14
And they're more. Yeah, kind of just I mean, I guess vampires are technically demonic in essence, but, I feel like this sort of has a similar structure to it and that they can kind of just be whatever they are, maybe based on, like, environmental stuff or personality stuff, and that kind of comes into play. Yeah. Like I, you know, I think you're referencing, you know, for one example, like Sex Machine and From Dusk Till Dawn, if you like, turns into, like a big rat.
00;59;22;17 - 00;59;44;18
Yeah. So. Yeah. And then she rips off Irene's arm. CCH pounder, who's in an arm. I just just like. But she doesn't even fucking care. She doesn't fuck. She doesn't even fucking care. But we do get that great line later. And, breakers, like, at least they're all in one piece. And he's like, looks over at. I mean, he's like, Irene gets a lot of arm humor in this movie.
00;59;44;20 - 01;00;08;25
Because later when she waves her stump at Billy Zane, she's like, I'm flipping you out. I'm holding on. Yeah. I also love when they take her downstairs to mend her wound. She's like, give me the bad guy, you know? Yeah, yeah, I love her. You know, that was one of those things I think we'll get. Oh, I don't know if we'll touch on it later, but when they're, like, fleeing the demons, they've kind of like she's got the grenades on her from.
01;00;08;25 - 01;00;32;12
She's got while he's grenades all strapped to her chest and like, yeah, they had the thing with the blood in it. I feel like they could have just, like, put that in the doorway. And then they all could have went up the stairs. But instead there were there are a lot of things that could have been done. They could have left one door open and Lord, what is not inside, and then close the door, and then they could have left and he could have never left.
01;00;32;12 - 01;00;54;14
But you know, that's true. They didn't do that. That was my first thought. And I've never dealt with this before, but it literally plays by the same rules from, that we see in signs where the basement has a draft. There's some, there's another, there's always another way. So like, no, I feel like no matter what they would have done, Billy would have figured why they could have closed that off, too.
01;00;54;17 - 01;01;16;10
Yeah. That's fair. Well, they come up with. Yeah. Did close it off, but they went into it first. Right. I know this is our this is our fifth reveal. No, I'm sorry. Cordelia was our fifth. This is our sixth reveal. Where they go into that. That shat that mineshaft and that shit he does, he does kind of seal it off behind them as they leave.
01;01;16;13 - 01;01;38;23
But that master breaker is Sigrid. He's, like, trying to keep them contained. But yeah, in all fairness, like everything that his presence has led to these deaths. So, like, I actually liked the way they could justify that. And even he is like, I get it. Like I don't I didn't do this. Like, it's not your fault, but I just so I see your point.
01;01;38;25 - 01;01;57;03
One question, a question that I have he said, he said all we have to do is wait until morning. Are there other implications that, like the demons, will be gone in the morning or so? Well, there's something he later, he starts talking. He kind of gives more context into the backstory, which kind of it feels a little like there's like the whole seven stars in the seven people.
01;01;57;03 - 01;02;15;06
So it kind of and maybe they directly state this, and I just kind of it just went over my head. But, I mean, it's kind of implied that, like, this is like the one night they can do it. Or are they kind of implying that. No. Like when the sun goes down, if you don't kill Billy Zane, like it's just going to happen again, right?
01;02;15;10 - 01;02;34;13
Yeah. But just like, chill out and just be patient. These people are always so impatient. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You know, it's it's a separate and everyone has. Yeah. Yeah. But you have like colorful characters like Roach who no matter how hard you try, you're never going to can't you can't keep a good roach down. Yeah I tried yeah, yeah.
01;02;34;17 - 01;02;53;11
Those people anyway. Yeah you're right. They could have just hung out in the lobby of the hotel chillin. They had all they had. Yeah. Food. Had a continental breakfast. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it would have been. It could have been a great night. Yeah. Anyway, we didn't know what we had in the 90s. Right, right. Play some Uno. Whatever happens I don't know.
01;02;53;14 - 01;03;13;11
Yeah I know one good game of Uno could pass time in ways you never realize that they had monopoly in there somewhere that could have gone on for days. Oh I see that. I feel like would have been dangerous. Yeah, yeah. Someone gets down and still gonna leave anyways. Shake each other over monopoly. This is it. So in the, in the mineshaft.
01;03;13;12 - 01;03;35;20
This is where we meet Homer and his wife. They were the the diner owners who are now demons. I can't remember how they said they got in the mineshaft. Like, why did they. Why were they down there? I don't know, but they plot reason for. That's funny. You see, you ask because Jerilyn even asks Danny, like, what are you guys doing down here?
01;03;35;20 - 01;03;57;15
And again, this is one of those moments where I'm like, oh, I should probably be closer to you or I didn't I just yeah. Well, I think it's maybe it's just that maybe you were to assume that because we know that where the diner is, is in close proximity, that maybe the demons had, like, Billy Zane, like, was basically like rounding his troops.
01;03;57;15 - 01;04;11;24
I mean, like, clear out the surrounding areas. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like maybe ways in maybe little Danny says that they chased him down there, I think. I think it does. Hey, it's Big Danny to you.
01;04;11;26 - 01;04;41;17
So big Dan, big Dan, big Dan Dan. Yeah. That leads us to kind of maybe think that Wormwood, New Mexico is no longer a safe space. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Avoid wormwood where you could find solace and peace. Yeah. No longer wormwood. New Mexico, which, based on what we have seen, is one weird isolated hotel, a roadside diner and an alley for a man to drink in.
01;04;41;19 - 01;05;05;12
Yes. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. It's an unincorporated tavern off of highway seven. Or, you know, like, it rivals, it rivals perfection in tremors. Yeah, yeah. Or at least there was, there was a level of charm and and and. Yeah, the locals were themselves charming, you know, who would take in any nonsense? And Demon Knight is Reba mcEntire just here.
01;05;05;12 - 01;05;34;28
This. Oh, yeah. She said, give me the elephant gun. Oh, my God, to have Reba and a Demon Knight sequel versus Billy Zane, I the things I would sell, including my soul part limitless. Oh. That's great. Okay. Official reveal at number seven. We are jumping back to World War one. This is where breaker first meets the demons and becomes the newest.
01;05;35;00 - 01;06;00;08
The newest demon. I feel like it's like an ad for, like, Hasbro toys or something like that. Like, but, yeah, this is they're like, in the fossils and where we established that made me laugh, too. So stupid. But every time, like, there is a sound effect for the the blood key and like, the markings when they appear, and it's basically just sex Panther Cologne from Anchor man.
01;06;00;08 - 01;06;29;02
Oh, yeah. It's it's like decent. Like I, it's like, oh, okay. Sure. Yes. Yes I love it. That's great. I like the guys. The Dickerson, who is now in World War One figures. Yeah. He's filling up the the key and he gives he gives it to break. Says I'm going to butcher the line, but he's like 50% of the time.
01;06;29;02 - 01;06;47;13
It works 100% of the time. Is it a day? Works every day. Every day. Jesus blood. Jesus blood. Yeah. I loved though that when they when they seal the doorways and he like, does that drop and it like goes up and then you just even when he's doing it off screen, you see the red lighting just like fill up the room.
01;06;47;13 - 01;07;10;16
I thought that was fun. I mean, also great production trickery there. Like, we're not going to pay for this every time. But yeah, you could just get like exactly a flashing gel. That would be really great. Absolutely. Yeah. I think the date was September 23rd, 1917. In the plaza. Yeah. Was, did you say August? It was August.
01;07;10;20 - 01;07;35;25
September 1972. That means that Braker was a soldier in World War One, or as it was known at the time, the Great War. The Great War? Yes. Billy Zane thought his character thought he was in the Great War, but no. Right. But it also means that this is five years after Billy Zane set sail on HMS. That's so great.
01;07;35;25 - 01;08;05;15
Oh my God, I love it. Oh, okay, let's go to reveal number eight. This is where we meet Willy as a demon. He has been, taken over. He has succumbed to, the collectors. He was just whatever. He's bathing in boobies, and he's just in heaven with his whiskey or whatever he's drinking. And, also, this might be ultra specific.
01;08;05;18 - 01;08;25;27
And he love the maybe, like, you know, five people are going to be like, oh, yeah. But in this sequence, when Dick Miller enters into the bouba fied tiki lounge, when Billy Zane is the bartender, he's doing Hunter S Thompson. Right. Like I was literally thinking that same thing. Okay, good, good. I'm glad I'm not the only one.
01;08;26;00 - 01;08;52;29
Good call. We probably should maybe mention that in between these two, monster reveals, we do get some context. I don't know how important it is. I guess if you've already seen the movie, but we basically just said of the fact that the collector is in these demons are trying to bring about, eternal darkness. Oh, yeah. This is like their last stop on their, on their Blood Magic Key tour.
01;08;53;02 - 01;09;08;12
And. Oh, yeah, because there were seven of them. Yeah. When he was telling the story, I was like, just thinking about Lord of the rings. I was like, damn, I really wish I was watching more of the rings right? Well, it's also implied that of the seven keys, they were scattered across the universe. That's right. The context we're given.
01;09;08;18 - 01;09;35;13
So there are spinoff movies that are just, like, more in space. Yeah. Oh, yeah. See, there's like an unlimited potential for this franchise that no one is benefiting from or capitalizing on. Yeah, but should be. Yeah, yeah. And when I say, oh, you guys write movies. Yeah. What are we to like? Let's, dude statue we're digging for in Ghosts of Mars.
01;09;35;15 - 01;09;59;08
What are you looking for? That's me. They were looking for the keys, and then the crimson wind came along. No air balloons. But back to Dick Miller as a demon. He's just. You just love Dick Miller. Like he's just. Yeah, you love it. I love seeing him pop up and stuff, and it's just. He just adds such a I don't want to say playfulness, but there's, like, I don't know.
01;09;59;11 - 01;10;18;14
Yeah, something to add, something to a scene and to a movie that's just you can't pinpoint it. And somehow in his entire career, working with Roger Corman and popping up in Gremlins and all of these really storied films that are genre based, this is the first time that he ever did prosthetics, which is wild. Yeah. Oh. Real crazy.
01;10;18;14 - 01;10;42;22
Oh, he was not happy about it either. No, nor should he have been, you know. No. Yeah, yeah. You don't want to be in heavy prosthetics once you like prosthetics. 85. I'm sorry. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. He did. However, he was quite fond of this scene, though. With the with the boobs women. Yeah. So he joked that it took him about 16 or 17 takes so he couldn't get the line straight.
01;10;42;24 - 01;11;01;22
Curvy. Oh, yeah. Exactly. But he gets a pass because it's it's it is Dick Miller. Yeah. That's probably why Robert Englund doesn't want to do Freddy anymore. It's not that he's too old or like you can't do the role. He just doesn't want to put on the fucking make because I was so much I hate I hate doing cosplay.
01;11;01;22 - 01;11;17;28
I hate putting on a full face of makeup to go to a convention. It drives me fucking nuts, I can't imagine. Yeah, yeah. Although if I were making a lot of money, maybe. Yeah, that does change that, right? Yeah, right. Yeah, I'd probably deal with it. Yeah. I'll be I'll be Freddy Krueger for a six figure paycheck. Yeah, exactly.
01;11;17;29 - 01;11;38;02
Yeah. Oh, I do want to mention that this is like a one of many movies where William Sadler is trapped inside somewhere and can't go outside. Tell us more about that day, The Shawshank Redemption also. Well, I was gonna say that's also relevant to The mist kind of setting the mist. So, you know, they're in the grocery store and they don't go outside, and I just.
01;11;38;03 - 01;11;58;02
Yeah, I thought about that. I'm like, oh, yeah, he just loves these kind of movies. He's just like, drawn to, and be trapped in anything. And Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey from a phone booth. That's fair. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Hell, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's, Dude, I always forget that he's he's death in that. It's so great.
01;11;58;04 - 01;12;21;28
Oh, my gosh. He's one of the better grim reapers in cinema. Sure, sure. He really is. He also just did, have you guys seen. It? Was a few years ago. I want to say it's like 2019. There was sort of an Expendables four horror movie. Is the VFW, and it's all these iconic kind of older actors, in that kind of, like, siege setting, like bottle horror.
01;12;22;00 - 01;12;46;18
Yeah. You know, speaking of, From Dusk Till Dawn, I think Fred Williamson was in that, I'm pretty sure. Okay. Yeah. I'll have to watch that. It's for you. Would like it. Getting to our ninth reveal, this is where Danny turns into a, Oh okay. Don't they already have him in this a little dickhead? He's reading the comic book and other thing we should establish is we we've seen him reading a comic, and he's, of course, reading tales from the crypt.
01;12;46;20 - 01;13;04;17
Yeah, we love meta horror. And it's cool that kind of like the pages are turning and we're seeing that. Yeah I wish I would have done that more. Sure. Yeah. It seemed like something that could have kind of been a through line in here. Yeah. Like if he was kind of reading it throughout the story and he was like picking up things and being like, well that's weird that.
01;13;04;20 - 01;13;26;04
Yeah. And then this monster transformation is pretty great. I love when his like, head kind of separate from his jaw, but my favorite, like, he might be my favorite dispatching of a demon in the movie because it's sort of isn't even really explained. They just beat him out the window, blows up. And the thing is, it's like based on the rules of the demons that we've had thus far, that doesn't really make sense.
01;13;26;04 - 01;13;45;15
But because two cases point, like, okay, we've been hunting a little long, pacing wise, it's just like when he blows up, we're just like, sure. Yeah, like the next thing. Well, yeah, it's because it wasn't it because they had the window, sealed. Oh, was it sealed? And he was kicked through the window. Yep. That's right. I think that's.
01;13;45;16 - 01;14;11;04
You're right. Again, our second year in our Killer Comics triple feature, when Blade Yeats, carried across the face when they run away. So fingers crossed, Uzumaki has, a I'm sure there's so much needing in. Yeah. Junji Ito is known for his eating less than us eating so, but, yeah, that's that's funny. Just like. Yeah, this is.
01;14;11;04 - 01;14;34;10
Check him out the window. Yeah. Now, little Danny Tang Fox breaks checks. It was so gross. Yeah. Pretty much. The jawline now has to become the, the new demon knight, and she collects the blood out of, breaker's chest, but Billy Zane just comes and fucking dumps it all out. But not until she gets a little bit in her mouth.
01;14;34;13 - 01;14;56;13
Listen, I know I'm sorry, but this pissed me off too. Why does she hold it in her mouth for so long so they can do the tango? No, but he needed to have his bond villain moment. She was in his face for so long. Yeah, and there was, like, a moment because earlier we saw him, like, try to seduce her in this fantasy setting, and I thought she was waiting for them to, like, kiss.
01;14;56;15 - 01;15;12;14
And then she was going to, like, put it in his mouth, like, get it internal. And it was he was just kind of like explode. Yeah. Maybe they wanted to do that. It just visually just doesn't work. They need. Oh, sure, you need a scene. Yeah. Because that makes sense that, like, maybe you can't get it. It's like superficially, but yeah.
01;15;12;15 - 01;15;31;13
Yeah. It's like it's like Bruce the shark in jaws. Like, you can't, you can pierce him all you want, but you got to get that. Yeah. Blow them up from inside. Well, you know, earlier I talked about, not knowing if the fantasy scenes were something I had seen in another movie or if there was this. I felt the same way about this tango scene.
01;15;31;16 - 01;15;52;15
I was like, oh, I missed when movies did, like, weird off the wall stuff like this. They to do this all the time. Every time I watched this movie. Not specifically the tango, but, just like balls to the wall. Just crazy stuff. A tango does occur in the Jim Carrey motion picture The Mask. Maybe that's what you're thinking.
01;15;52;18 - 01;16;17;23
I think that is what it is. The King of the robot, directed by a, very famous horror director. The name escapes me now. He did, Dream Warriors. Oh. Chuck Russell, Chuck Russell did the mask. Yeah, that I did not know. Yeah. Who did? Why does that now feel. And he's he's got the new, the new witch board remake coming out.
01;16;17;23 - 01;16;41;12
That's right. What else did you do. That's you were just talking about a Chuck Russell movie. He did the 88 blob as well as a blob. That's with the blob Terry. Yep. Yeah that's right. Okay. Thank you. But one thing I had a problem with was how white Geraldine's clothes get. Oh, yeah. He just, like, rinses her off in the bath.
01;16;41;14 - 01;16;59;07
Yeah, she's, like, drenched in blood. And then he, like, poured some water on in her clothes. Or just, like, brand new white. And I was like, no, I you you know, I'm not usually this person, but I guess for this movie, I am, this, like, nit picky because it's a fucking movie. So, you know, like, they're doing what they want to do for the film.
01;16;59;07 - 01;17;18;10
And, you know, if they would have just stayed in there safely, we wouldn't have this film. So why am I so upset about that? But yeah. And then when he wraps her in the in the thing, she acts like it immobilized her like it was a cloak that had some sort of supernatural powers, and she couldn't move like he put her in the bathtub and she's like, oh, it's like open.
01;17;18;10 - 01;17;42;20
And she could have, like, punched him in the face or something. And or spit the stuff in his mouth or spit the stuff in his face. Yeah, I don't know. But anyway, 10th reveal, we see her, spit the the blood in, the collector's face, and he kind of, like, melts and then rips himself apart and, like, this big demon, with big wings and presumably, like the devil, I would say was pretty cool.
01;17;42;20 - 01;18;05;18
Yeah, well, he was supposed to be, they wanted to go for a look that was like living fire. That was going to be his true form. Okay, you actually reminded me of, in, again, just referencing our last movie, blade. Was it la la la la manga? Was that the manga? Yeah. Which they also tried to do kind of like this physical, like they wanted.
01;18;05;18 - 01;18;37;15
He was like a basically blood, right? That's kind of this floating blood thing, which is interesting, that, again, it was a thing that they couldn't quite pull off with the effects that they had. So they end up going to something more practical, which arguably is kind of more effective. Not just like, oh yeah, visually, but just in terms of like the relationship between the characters, because, yeah, then you get like they have more of a, a fight, so to speak, in this one, obviously it's, it's no sword fight from blade versus Frost, but, I think it works.
01;18;37;18 - 01;19;08;09
Yeah. For sure. Yeah. And then our last and final. Oh, well, there this that means the same thing, but, All right, our last and or final, Or is it our final? Yeah. Our last reveal is the brand new collector. As Jerilyn has now taken on this role, she has gotten on the bus, and she she, you know, she goes back and forwards a little, drop onto that to the bus, and then they stop to pull him, to pick him up.
01;19;08;09 - 01;19;25;01
And he like kind of looks in the doorway and he says I'll take the next one. Like that was, that was cool that it just like and then walks away whistling the, the, the theme song theme. Yeah, I got another. And then it's been a reference and then they stop the bus there and they say, hey, we're looking for some guys.
01;19;25;01 - 01;19;50;05
The oil for the show. Spoiler alert for my alternate title for this, for this reveal. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay, you guys, that's demon night. Really quick, we would be remiss to, you know, not point out the fact that we do get to close the movie off with at the world's premiere of. Oh, thank you night in Westwood village.
01;19;50;07 - 01;20;09;01
Get our last look. Well, second to last like these, we get if you stay for the credits, you see the Crypt Keeper once again. But, okay, I just, you know, wanted to give the Crypt Keeper his flowers. Oh. Totally fine. If he gets a flower at the end of the movie, actually. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right before he gets his head cut off, I love that.
01;20;09;02 - 01;20;21;09
It's just like it's final cut. Yeah. All right, now let's pick our favorite reveals in Ernest Dickerson's tales from the crypt. Demon Knight.
01;20;21;12 - 01;20;40;22
Okay, so I'm going to do a speed round recap of our 11 reveals. With these I do have some alternate titles. Some. So I'm just going to make up on the spot because I didn't come across some. But it our first reveal is the Crypt Keeper. Needs no alternate title. He is just one of a kind.
01;20;40;22 - 01;21;04;08
He's great. Crypt keeper. Our second reveal is the collector punching the sheriff through the face. This is also known as cops like Donuts, but they don't want to be a donut. Stu? What about some insane? Insane in the in the in the zen brain? Oh, insane in the same brain. Okay. Also known as insane in the Zen brain.
01;21;04;10 - 01;21;38;15
Number three is the demons being born from the collector's blood, aka somebody save the EPA. Number four, it's the is the, the, the demons. Danny, say the name again. The gold, the Golgotha. Golgotha demon. If I'm pronouncing it right. Sounds good. The Gal Gadot demon. Yeah, yeah. Okay. The Jesus demons, also known as the Gal Gadot demons, also known as Jesus Christ, the demon stuff and Agatha Christie reference.
01;21;38;15 - 01;22;02;20
So it's, it's murder on the Nile. Let's see. Number five is Cordelia gets possessed and, kills Wally, also known as Cordelia Goes Postal. Let's see. Jawline in our sixth reveal, meets Homer and his wife in the mines. Also known as. How the hell did the Simpsons get down here, stupid. Oh, my God, that's like the dumbest thing.
01;22;02;20 - 01;22;27;23
So you need to leave. You only asked us for help with one of these. You know, our seventh reveal is the World War one demons, also known as foxholes. More like demon holes. God, somebody just take the keyboard away from me. Michael, you don't. You could just say we get the, exact. We love you.
01;22;27;24 - 01;22;57;11
Thank you. Our eighth official reveal was, meeting Willie as a demon, also known as Viagra. Just give Willie some demon boobies. The, Geez, I only have three more to go. You guys. Don't worry. I am number nine. Danny's losing it. Number nine is Danny becomes a demon by seeing the comic book. The eyes in the comic book, also known as, this is a Freddy Krueger reference.
01;22;57;14 - 01;23;24;03
Freddy Krueger quote. Told you comic books was bad for you. If anyone is a familiar with, Nightmare on Elm Street five. Which is fitting, because tales from the crypt stopped because people thought that comic books like this were bad for kids. So that's, number ten is Jerry line sees the real collector, also known as keep my Demon Knight's blood out of your fucking mouth.
01;23;24;06 - 01;23;46;01
And, our final reveal is the new collector, also known as The town is back that way. The town is back that way. Getting so. Thank you. Thank you for being with me, you guys. Not my best work, but, Hey, you can't win them, all right? So that was I would. I would have to excuse my friend work.
01;23;46;03 - 01;24;09;20
He's a bit slow. Casey, let's start with you. What is your favorite reveal in, demon night? So my favorite reveal is actually, Cordelia Goes Postal. Okay. But I think it's just because, I don't know, I guess it was like, the only moment in that movie that felt very real. Like human. You know what I mean?
01;24;09;24 - 01;24;32;23
Sure. Because, you know, they were showing her, like, vulnerabilities and that she was just a sad human being. Yeah. I don't know. It just takes a turn. Yeah. That's a great pick. Yeah. Because you know then because Uncle Willy's like just likes movies. He just like that you know conditioned movies. You know things. Yeah yeah yeah. There is deep pathos there Casey.
01;24;32;25 - 01;24;48;04
Yeah. You know we don't know his story. You don't know why he's vulnerable towards boobies like that. Yeah, I don't know. It's not that. It could be the alcohol or just being a movie, old man. I'm sure there's much more to. It has to do with the fact that he couldn't properly suck on his mom's breast as a baby.
01;24;48;11 - 01;24;55;11
Oh, I was going to say just some boobies. Went to get cigarets and never came back. And.
01;24;55;14 - 01;25;17;00
Talk about a Stephen King reference. Yeah, yeah, that's a deep cut. Michael, do you have a favorite reveal in, I do, I do, I don't know that I remember all the names you gave it, like the EPA gave my baby away or whatever. But the the sequence where the demons rise up out of the goo after years and flings his blood around.
01;25;17;00 - 01;25;38;25
I love this because it's very reminiscent to me of a specific era of horror. I remember a time when horror was much slimy and stickier. I love, yes, you know, the toxins in the Frank and hookers and the basket case era, the stuff. And I just miss slimy horror movies and so that that moment's great. Yeah, it was a good, I agree on.
01;25;38;26 - 01;26;04;00
Yeah. It's, Yeah, yeah, I'm just going to build on that because that is also my, my favorite reveal in the movie. And it it might be like a nostalgia thing because I like that's what I remember when I think of doom and I think of that scene with the, the demons coming up and that little like, green glowy blood and, and just Billy Zane outside getting, you know, like he jumps out the window and he's like, that's his little like, little cowboy thing.
01;26;04;00 - 01;26;31;00
And he gets all pissed off and he throws his hat down and it's almost like Beetlejuice. It was almost he just doing like a like he Beetlejuice. And it was so he model, he improvised a lot of his lines for the movie. Okay. It's just like another testament to what Billy Zane not the only that I like what he's bringing to the movie, but the fact that he is way horribly criminally underused as an actor these days.
01;26;31;02 - 01;26;54;10
Yeah. And even then, I would say, like, I don't know, like, as a filmmaker, you want an actor who's just going to, like, commit and bring something fresh. I don't understand what more you could want outside of someone like Billy Zane, and even to the fact that, like, he's proven himself in a, in a, in a big budget, like mainstream movie like Titanic, where I think he is a very memorable villain.
01;26;54;13 - 01;27;16;00
Yeah, he is very hatable. But there is a weird, like, pathetic kind of pitying quality to him that you wonder, kind of like why he is the way he is. Yeah. In in Titanic. In Titanic. Yeah. It's. Oh, yeah. He's just he's just a, in Titanic. He's just a fucking. Yeah. He's just a lonely man. Yeah, yeah, he's just a dude.
01;27;16;02 - 01;27;44;23
Danny, what's your favorite meal? Well, now I feel unoriginal. My. I have the same, I guess it's unoriginal for a reason, because it's just so good. But it's the. Yeah, it's the the demon blood flinging. Jason and the Argonauts. Pumpkinhead. Xenomorph earth scene. Yeah, that's what I should have explained. Yeah. You guys explained why it works and why it's arguably one of the best, if not the best, monster intros in the movie.
01;27;44;25 - 01;27;59;25
So I will, refrain from adding more to it because it would just be an echo. It's just a great scene, I love it. Yeah, awesome. All right, well, now it's time for a segment that we like to call the real monster.
01;27;59;27 - 01;28;21;28
So, Danny, let's start with you. Do you have any real monsters for Demon Night? Yeah, I do, I only have two. The first is adding ketchup to pea soup. Anything. God. And that's, Okay. I think it's pea soup. And then my second real monster is pea soup. Yeah. So I would have, I would have just.
01;28;22;00 - 01;28;42;09
It would have been on the list without the ketchup, which also, I know, weirdly, I to put ketchup on everything. I hate ketchup now, I don't know, I did say, dude, when I was a kid, I was right there. They just ketchup on everything. Everything fucking. Yeah. Glazed donuts, dude, I swear. Okay, that is the one. The real monster has been revealed.
01;28;42;11 - 01;29;03;26
What? Dude? Wow, he's a kid, I. Yeah, have a break. You ruined these donuts, you fucking turd. Dude. Guess what else I guess? What else I ruined? What else? I don't know, cinnamon rolls? God, cinnamon rolls are, like, the greatest creation on this fucking planet when I was a kid. There is one answer to that. We should have said it.
01;29;03;27 - 01;29;36;10
French fries. Tater tots. Yes. Classics. Yeah. I don't do it anymore, I answer. Hey, I've. You know, I've got two kids of my own. They're fucking. They do some questionable. Hilarious. No. I'm sorry. We were on a meeting recently, and I specifically overheard Indy asking for two things. Pizza and like, fruit. Yeah, the other day. Never was there something referencing even anything close to ketchup on a donut the other day, Indy dipped her orange slices in salsa.
01;29;36;12 - 01;30;07;21
Oh, that's pretty. That's not that bad. Okay, so I mean, they make mango salsa and pineapples. That's true. Yeah. I'm trying to think what's in there. Your daughter's not sure. I'm trying to see who's your real monster. Oh, sorry. So, my. It's funny because my favorite, my favorite reveal is Cordelia, and my favorite monster is also Cordelia for that scene, because she lets them in because, in the way that I like the vulnerability, I also hate it because, just to stop.
01;30;07;23 - 01;30;31;18
Yeah. Pull yourself together, Cordelia. Pull yourself together. God damn it, Cordelia, pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Oh, you don't need therapy. You're just. Jesus. You're just. You're just being dramatic. Yeah, You're just being dramatic. Michael, do you have any real monsters for the night? Yeah. I mean, I think probably universally, everyone would agree that Roach is one of the real monsters of this.
01;30;31;21 - 01;30;53;22
Yeah. I think I also would like to point out the real monster is the hotel's lax a day cycle approach to turndown service. It seems like there's a lot of question of who's doing the laundry of these sheets. And I'm like, did it ever get done? I think not, I know they're sleeping on the same sheets. Yeah, yeah.
01;30;53;24 - 01;31;16;16
And I was like, everyone's worst fear is just because just so just out there. Yeah. That's true. So yeah, it was like I was not doing them clearly. Not especially, not especially with. Yeah. You know, she's like, fuck, this loses the arms. Like I'm definitely oh not just the arm. She's well I mean she's having the, she's having the, she's also do the laundry.
01;31;16;18 - 01;31;34;19
Yeah I like oh your sheets Cordelia and Irene's like good Wally goth and fucking which arguably we talked about this town whether or not it is charming. But that is kind of a testament to the charm of the locals, the fact that they would kind of step up and and help the local, you know, hotel owner. I work with a shitty hotel.
01;31;34;21 - 01;31;51;08
It works this way just for me. The good nature of your oh trust me. Yeah, we had some people who wouldn't let us do their their sheets and stuff. They would take all their stuff, the laundromat and do everything. So. Oh, that's. You need to call the police. Yeah. They didn't want you in the rooms, Oh. Well.
01;31;51;08 - 01;32;15;08
What? Actually, one of them was a prostitute. Her name was Vicki. She was very sweet. Oh, okay. Yeah. Shout out Vicky if you're still alive. Oh, my God, poor Vicky. I've got a few real monsters I've got, I didn't realize it was pea soup. I just said whatever the fuck she was eating in that bowl like that was it, like, is very reminiscent of what's his name's blood, but.
01;32;15;08 - 01;32;34;00
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, they mentioned they, they, they mentioned guacamole earlier. So the assumed. Yeah. It's not just like raw dog and Glock like. Oh they're just got one of them said something. It looked better when it was roadkill. So. Yeah. So there's meat. Oh yeah. Maybe someone ran over to be one of the demons. Maybe someone ran over a demon earlier.
01;32;34;00 - 01;32;56;01
Scooped it up. That. I mean, I got some I took a little sliver day, kind of. Oh, God. Yeah. Delicious. Oh, now I want to take your salsa. And really, the last real monster I have for this movie is Roach. Just as sure as we've said before, he was just awful. All right, now, sticking with our theme, I will say this is our last and final segment.
01;32;56;03 - 01;33;02;15
Would you survive tales from the crypt, demon Knight?
01;33;02;18 - 01;33;22;21
I would survive if it weren't for all of the other idiots with me. That's a very good point. Yeah, yeah. They very easily all could have survived this night. Yeah. I would listen so die because of them survive on my own. So it really depends on. So. Yeah. Danny. Michael, any thoughts on if you'd survive the night?
01;33;22;24 - 01;33;55;11
I would say no, because I feel like I would just immediately succumb to Billy Zane charm. Like, if I got a fantasy sequence, it'd be like, yeah, I'll keep you pretty. Like, you wouldn't even, like, get you. Yeah. I'd be like, I'm in. Is like the big Dan. I think to Casey's point, it really depends on whether you're like, breaker and you're running solo or you're with other people because also, the second you are with a configuration of other people, not just their stupidity, but within the law of the movie, only one person's walking out, right?
01;33;55;11 - 01;34;15;29
It's like if there's seven people. So it's I think then the law of averages is not in your favor. But if it's like hitting the road, in the desert, in my, my car or like my bus, I think I could probably make it, you know, but if I'm at the Mission Hotel now. So yeah, yeah, yeah, if there's only one of us walking out, it would not be.
01;34;16;01 - 01;34;38;13
It wouldn't be me. So. Well, that's the thing too. We were we were talking about sort of like the mist, like the in like the Stephen King genius of it with, you know, like it does depend on sort of the people that you are kind of forced to contend with beyond the actual, like, monster monsters. And in the Mist you have like, is it Mrs. Carmody?
01;34;38;16 - 01;35;00;14
Yeah. Marcia Hardin's character. So all of a sudden you, you inject something like that into the mix, it sort, it adds this whole other level that you have to contend with. Yeah. But, it, it makes the unpredictable even more unpredictable. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. She's like the Roach character in the mist. Yeah. But which which feels.
01;35;00;16 - 01;35;21;06
And thank you for an awful character. But she plays it so well. She does. She does that role so good. Well, you guys, that is demon Night. That is our second movie in our Killer Comics triple feature. Casey, what are we doing next? What's our next movie coming up? Oh, we are doing next. We are doing Uzumaki.
01;35;21;08 - 01;35;41;01
Okay. I'm sorry. Yeah, I've never heard of it. I was excited to watch it. I think it was also known as spiral at the time. Yes. Do you mean spiral in Japanese? Yeah. Okay. All right. It's good to know. So. Yeah, I'm excited to for that to round out this, killer comics triple feature. Michael, thank you so much for joining us to talk to him.
01;35;41;01 - 01;36;08;08
And thank you. Thanks for having me. If our listeners would like to follow, Midnight mass or you on social media, where can they do that? And if there's anything else that you want to plug, go for it for sure. You can follow me on blue Sky and Instagram at Michael Variety. Just my name, midnight mass comes out every other Wednesday at midnight, wherein me and my co-host Peaches Christ discussed the cult films that we worship at the altar of.
01;36;08;11 - 01;36;27;17
And There's a Zombie Outside is available now on streaming. You can catch it on YouTube, Amazon Prime, Apple TV, as well as pick it up on Blu ray. Awesome, amazing. And, I highly recommend you check it out because it is, it's a trip of a movie and it's a lot of fun. And, Thank you. Yeah, yeah.
01;36;27;17 - 01;36;52;04
And I highly recommend you follow Michael on social media. He's hilarious. Like, genuinely the funniest, like, person I follow, blue Sky. Oh. Thank you. Oh, some awesome. Casey, where can our listeners find you on social media? I am on Instagram at Wolf Mother. Casey. Awesome. Danny, it is your time to shine. I'm going to make you say, because you have to say it.
01;36;52;06 - 01;37;16;15
Hey, you can follow me on Instagram. Blue sky letterbox at Danny slim, that's Danny. Sally, me too. EMS. Like the candy melt in your butt. Not in your hands, I love it, I love to see it. I love to see the confidence you exude when you say that in front of a guest. It's wonderful. And you can find me on social media at Zach.
01;37;16;20 - 01;38;11;08
Sick. Thank you all for joining us for Demon Night. And we look forward to, our next episode on Uzumaki. And, until then, thank you all for listening. Now go meet some monsters.